01:15:50 <fyaikkygb> When Tari finally comes out, will you dump your Monero to buy it? Will others?
01:15:51 <nioc> spam?
01:18:55 <apotheon> I prefer a nice elk steak rather than spam.
03:59:42 <geonic> it's only spam if you leave the channel immediately after you say it
08:47:47 <ifktmdwazui> Dear fireice_uk. I must strongly object to you reporting our great Monro community members to Freenode for racism AND getting people K-lined as a result! i.imgur.com/R0T9GGY.png THEY ARE NOT NEO-NAZI!!! THEY ARE JUST SAYING NEO-NAZI THINGS!! i.imgur.com/JYu44As.png I know this because they have been nice to me and made me their Magical Crypto Friend! If you don't cease immediately I shall throw another tantrum!
08:47:47 <ifktmdwazui> Monero Community Member PS. You are interrupting my session of masturbation to The Man in the High Castle.
09:06:00 <geonic> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/mcrr7l/price_is_more_important_than_privacy_bitcoin_is/
09:06:01 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Price is more important than privacy. Bitcoin is king. (self.Bitcoin) | 28 points (84.0%) | 24 comments | Posted by geonic_ | Created at 2021-03-25 - 06:27:27
09:06:19 <geonic> Here it goes as text
09:17:08 <charolastra> "Bitcoin is a religion. And religions make money, while cult members commit suicide."
09:50:43 <mechanic41turk[m> <geonic "https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin"> Is this lowkey satire?
09:51:53 <mechanic41turk[m> Epic if troll
09:53:04 <charolastra> well, he is right
09:53:42 <mechanic41turk[m> Very well played
09:53:53 <mechanic41turk[m> Some of the soycoiners in that reddit thread are clueless
09:53:58 <mechanic41turk[m> And taking the bait like a champ
09:53:59 <mechanic41turk[m> Lmao
09:54:02 <mechanic41turk[m> Low ot
09:54:13 <mechanic41turk[m> * Love it
09:54:39 <mechanic41turk[m> Here is the libreddit link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/mcrr7l/price_is_more_important_than_privacy_bitcoin_is/
09:54:40 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Price is more important than privacy. Bitcoin is king. (self.Bitcoin) | 29 points (79.0%) | 28 comments | Posted by geonic_ | Created at 2021-03-25 - 06:27:27
09:54:55 <mechanic41turk[m> * Here is the libreddit link: https://pibredd.it/r/Bitcoin/comments/mcrr7l/price_is_more_important_than_privacy_bitcoin_is/
09:55:03 <mechanic41turk[m> * Here is the libreddit link: https://libredd.it/r/Bitcoin/comments/mcrr7l/price_is_more_important_than_privacy_bitcoin_is/
09:58:03 <charolastra> how to share comment on this reddit thing? does this work? https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/mcixmf/stop_rooting_for_the_economy_to_fail/gs4lin3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
09:58:06 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Stop rooting for the economy to fail. (self.Bitcoin) | 1070 points (92.0%) | 350 comments | Posted by wizardofklaar | Created at 2021-03-24 - 22:44:21
09:58:45 <charolastra> should be a post by 'Zebracakes2009'
10:23:57 <Mumuks[m]> <charolastra "how to share comment on this red"> Lol, Bitcoin subversion is 100% complete
10:24:21 <Mumuks[m]> Be a good boy, let the gov control everything and you'll get to eat your cookie
10:24:24 <Mumuks[m]> Sure thing
10:28:43 <sech1> Are they really taking it seriously?
10:30:51 <mechanic41turk[m> some of em raelly are which makes it hillarious
10:31:14 <mechanic41turk[m> "yeah you go grrl, moar paper monee"
10:32:27 <charolastra> where's my fucking money????
10:33:15 <mechanic41turk[m> "bitcoin is a collar around your neck", "yeah, but it is golden gilded collar"
10:33:43 <sech1> "where's my fucking money?" that's easy, just look up on the blockchain explorer
10:36:05 <charolastra> XD
10:37:33 <kayront> :D
12:11:51 <sethsimmons> <geonic "https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin"> Awww man it's gone -- anyone have a screenshot?
12:25:29 <sethsimmons> <geonic "https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin"> Gladstein doesn't see that as satire 😀 https://twitter.com/gladstein/status/1374851441844576256?s=21
12:25:31 <monerobux> [ reddit: the front page of the internet ] - www.reddit.com
12:44:40 <sech1> sethsimmons omg, is this for real? "How about privacy? - But number go up!!!"
12:44:56 <sethsimmons> All we need to win is NgU!
12:45:05 <sethsimmons> Tyranny is destroyed when NgU!
12:45:50 <charolastra> "Price is how we win." can't tell who's serious anymore
12:45:52 <sech1> what's the point in NgU when some day some bureaucrat decides your specific coins are not worthy?
12:45:58 <sethsimmons> He's deadly serious.
12:46:28 <sech1> or worse: some AI algorithm decides your coins are bad and bans you automatically, and human support is non-existent
12:47:06 <sech1> this is how I was banned from Western Union 4 years ago ^^^
12:47:24 <charolastra> that's how paypal banned me
12:48:09 <charolastra> the human then said: "our system decieded that way but we don't know why and can't change it"
12:55:27 <sethsimmons> <sethsimmons "Gladstein doesn't see that as sa"> We *cannot* let this become Monero, and should fight the effects of NgU on community with everything we have.
12:56:04 <sethsimmons> That mostly comes down to each one of us fighting the greed inherent in NgU, but also a community effort to drive focus on a core ethos around privacy and self-sovereignty to newcomers and education on why Monero matters.
12:57:22 <dEBRUYNE> You can cheer for NgU without compromising values
12:57:40 <sethsimmons> <dEBRUYNE "You can cheer for NgU without co"> I'm not saying be mad when NgU, I'm saying don't let it affect our core focus and ethos.
12:58:03 <sethsimmons> Obviously people gaining wealth by supporting a self-sovereign and decentralized project is not a bad thing, it just can lead to bad things :)
12:58:12 <dEBRUYNE> Sure, but also have to realize that NgU is beneficial to the system, as it attracts more awareness, people etc.
12:58:44 <sethsimmons> <fatcat "To make people use monero, it ha"> That work is constantly happening. Pruning is already enabled and works great for those that need it, but Monero inherently cannot prune as aggressively as Bitcoin or other UTXO-based models.
12:58:49 <sethsimmons> <dEBRUYNE "Sure, but also have to realize t"> Well said.
13:07:46 <sethsimmons> That seems to involve extreme trust in PoS validators as transactions cannot be rebuilt if a re-org happens.
13:08:40 <sethsimmons> But might have some interesting component for a non-trusted block production environment.
13:09:51 <sethsimmons> Ah, true.
13:11:50 <sethsimmons> Ah, I see now -- they're just extending checkpoints to include approving all previous transactions.
13:12:12 <sethsimmons> Nodes will no longer be able to re-build chain history with full verification, and instead must rely on the checkpoints put in place by the devs with each release.
13:12:56 <sethsimmons> That requires implicit trust in those who control the code-base, as they are the verifiers of full chain history and no one else even can be.
13:13:22 <sethsimmons> Turtle
13:13:32 <sethsimmons> Dero is not something I trust for technical work for many reasons.
13:13:33 <mechanic41turk[m> <charolastra ""Price is how we win." can't tel"> gladstein is secretly our guy
13:13:48 <mechanic41turk[m> he is deranging the minds of bitcoiners by making them not care about privacy
13:13:53 <mechanic41turk[m> that way he ensures the bitcoin project will fail
13:14:05 <sethsimmons> Taking it down from the inside 😅
13:14:09 <mechanic41turk[m> exactly
13:14:24 <mechanic41turk[m> he is our triple-double agent
13:14:27 <sethsimmons> <fatcat "Why wouldn't you trust dero?"> Lots of scammy misuse of code, broken licensing, false claims, poor technical choices, etc. Just not interesting to me.
13:14:57 <sethsimmons> Dero has pivoted and claimed many things over the years.
13:16:00 <sethsimmons> Not here but feel free to DM me and I can reply more in depth when I have some time!
13:16:04 <sethsimmons> Don't want to clutter this channel.
14:30:59 <gingeropolous> we gotta find a way to leverage this whole NFT thing
14:31:35 <gingeropolous> i think someone posted it on reddit, but basically we've all been yammering about how monero's fungible but ppl were like "no one knows what fungible means"
14:31:48 <gingeropolous> and now being non-fungible is all the rage
14:31:58 <gingeropolous> so at least people are starting to get the concept
14:52:15 <nioc> FWIW I could not wee fatcat's posts that sethsimmons was responding to
14:52:42 <sethsimmons> Probably has the Matrix issue with a taken username.
14:55:07 <nioc> also could not see :)
15:45:17 <gingeropolous> aw, geonic , i wanna see that post that was deleted now
16:31:43 <nioc> spam incoming
16:32:17 <ozwrfajfrpm> I think everyone here knows that most Monero exchange withdrawals and desposits are traceable (Breaking Monero - poisoned outputs). How does it feel to go out and lie to people that they are private and then earn less than holding BTC on your bag?
16:57:33 <Inge-> gingeropolous: have screenshot of post, not replies
17:45:55 <xmrscott[m]> Replies aren't what was deleted fortunately
17:45:55 <xmrscott[m]> In any case, comments have been WebArchived FWIW
18:42:00 <geonic> gingeropolous: https://twitter.com/_geonic/status/1375152261513445379?s=20
18:55:43 <apotheon> this tweet is unavailable
19:11:07 <geonic> yea wasn't legible. here goes: https://geonic.medium.com/price-is-more-important-than-privacy-bitcoin-is-king-20086c9e8543
19:14:15 <apotheon> So . . . it should be obvious that trying to "invest" buy holding onto a useful currency is a sucker's game, anyway.
19:14:30 <apotheon> If what you want isn't *currency*, then sure, BTC seems attractive.
19:14:34 <apotheon> I have BTC for that very reason.
19:14:53 <apotheon> When I want a *currency*, though, I'm more likely to look to something like Monero, or maybe something like BCH.
19:15:01 <apotheon> At least they can be used as currencies.
19:16:08 <apotheon> If you bought Monero to bury it in jars in the backyard, you suffer from a fundamental misunderstanding of its place in the world.
19:20:33 <geonic> hm yeah that's good advice
19:20:44 <apotheon> thanks
19:21:34 <apotheon> A friend of mine recently tried using BTC as a currency, and it took days and a nontrivial amount of money spent in fees to get to the point where he could conceivably spend any.
19:21:50 <apotheon> . . . because of LN shenanigans.
19:22:23 <apotheon> People have been promising it'll be great again any day now for years.  If I was holding my breath, I would have asphyxiated by now.
19:22:53 <apotheon> If and when it becomes a thing, it might then be worth revisiting, but even then I don't expect it to support privacy, which is important for a full general-purpose currency.
19:23:41 <Inge-> I still like the idea of monero as an SOV
19:24:07 <Inge-> although it can't compete with the amount of inflows into bitcoin this year
19:25:13 <apotheon> right
19:25:44 <geonic> I though having a use case was a good thing. then I realized that if you invest in something that's unusable, you can promise it will get infinitely better in the future and normies will eat it up. that's how number go up
19:26:02 <Gerb> cant compete for now, monero fixes most flaws of BTC. I believe it is a matter of time
19:26:03 <apotheon> As a store of value, "wait and see" maybe, but I don't see a problem with using it as such now; it just wouldn't be the leading store of value for now.
19:27:22 <geonic> so needless to say I dumped my XMR for BTC. only buying XMR when I need to buy drugs off the darknet. that's all it's good for anyway
19:27:24 <geonic> BTC > *
19:28:36 <geonic> NgU baby
19:29:09 <Inge-> if you are in BTC world today, you need to decide if you want to be above-board regulated BTC holder like Michael Saylor - or if you want to be "not a single BTC KYC'ed" 100% coinjoined BTC holder like Matt Odell
19:29:14 <Inge-> Which BTC'er are you?
19:29:35 <geonic> all my BTC is on exchanges. I can't afford the tx fees
19:29:46 <onf> geonic: The fact it's good for buying drugs off the darknet tells a lot about its privacy-related qualities, don't you think?
19:29:57 <geonic> no. drugs = bad.
19:30:11 <geonic> btc = good.
19:37:33 <gingeropolous> im surprised that post got deleted geonic
19:37:51 <geonic> IQ level go up too I guess
19:39:14 <apotheon> I'm not clear on why geonic is here, actually.
19:39:47 <apotheon> "I don't care about privacy.  I care about getting larger quantities of fiat, period.  I don't even really use it for anything."
19:40:07 <geonic> exactly
19:40:11 <apotheon> I guess I just don't understand the mindset of both that and wanting to be in this channel.
19:40:14 <Inge-> browsing the monero blockchain is so BORING
19:40:38 <apotheon> There obviously isn't room for real discussion.
19:40:44 <Inge-> 1/2 1.42KB  ... 1/2 1.42Kb ... 1/2 1.42kb ...
19:40:45 <sgp_[m]1> its bad to hold ur keys bcz it wastes valuable block space
19:40:47 <geonic> yeah me and the wife can sit back on the couch now and watch bitcoin transactions with amounts, recipients and everything.. it's great entertainment
19:41:07 <geonic> I canceled our TV subscription to buy more bitcoin
19:41:19 <apotheon> Poe's law
19:41:22 * kayront prepares a fire arrow
19:41:30 <apotheon> I can't tell if geonic is serious at this point.
19:41:46 <Inge-> success!
19:41:52 <geonic> :D
19:41:56 <Inge-> geonic Master Troll(tm)
19:42:06 <geonic> learned from the best
19:42:07 <sethsimmons> It's his specialty :D
20:03:11 <nioc> .invest
20:03:12 <monerobux> i think invest in bitcoin is much more safe and profitable because bitcoin price rising to higher value and we do not face to any risk when we invest our money in bitcoin and i if we invest our money in bitcoin we will be get a good profit from bitcoin in the future so i think bitcoin is much more profitable currency than altcoins.
20:03:52 <geonic> hehe
20:13:15 <geonic> sethsimmons: small typo on the graveyard page. "resoure"
20:20:28 <sethsimmons> <geonic "sethsimmons: small typo on the g"> Thanks, fixed!
21:16:34 <geonic> I only learned grammar & spelling so I can troll better :D
21:16:55 <geonic> sgp_ sgp_[m]1 sgp_[m]2 : https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/md8m0b/why_i_sold_all_my_monero_for_bitcoin_and_why_you/
21:16:56 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Why I sold all my Monero for Bitcoin (and why you should too) (self.CryptoCurrency) | 1 points (100.0%) | 0 comments | Posted by geonic_ | Created at 2021-03-25 - 21:14:34
21:24:17 <rupee[m]> personally, i think the sarcasm is too subtle
21:24:47 <rupee[m]> the target audience takes things at face value
21:26:57 <rupee[m]> that said, XMR/BTC has been going up since you posted it 🤔
21:28:29 <geonic> true. I'm using the dumb ones for upvotes and converting the smart ones :) eventually the dumb ones will become smarter and see the irony too
21:29:19 <geonic> first award received
21:29:23 <geonic> lol
22:44:26 <ubwctjaep> Do you also secretly wisth your mother was Howard's groupie? https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/bxl87y/it_has_been_a_5_years_since_monero_was_released/eq7qior/
22:44:27 <monerobux> [REDDIT] It has been a 5 years since Monero was released and thanks to the guidance and technical expertise of Howard Chu we are stronger then ever. (self.Monero) | 151 points (94.0%) | 23 comments | Posted by xxCOINERxx | Created at 2019-06-06 - 19:58:49
23:45:34 <lh1008[m]> FIY, you want to know why you are getting those daily messages? Cults NEED to control information. That's why people like lh1008 get savagly attacked (also called disconnection) for even talking to me. Break the information embargo, break the cult. Who would sign up to Scientology if they knew from the get-go that is is about a sci-fi alien overlord? Who would sign up to MAGA if they knew
23:46:05 <lh1008[m]> oups, sorry
23:46:18 <lh1008[m]> was checking in something