00:29:42 <mechanimist[m]> woo! I finally got my port forwarding setup working properly and got my daemon to have a nonzero number of incoming peers!
01:02:57 <gingeropolous> huzzah mechanimist[m] !
01:41:58 <mechanimist[m]> I see there's a command `print_coinbase_tx_sum` and now I am wondering... what's monero got to do with Coinbase Global, Inc.? Does "coinbase" mean something else here?
01:42:53 <nioc> coinbase refers to coins produced by mining a block
01:43:16 <mechanimist[m]> oh!
01:43:30 <nioc> that is where the company coinbase got it's name
01:43:37 <mechanimist[m]> I guess the company took the name and now it's impossible to search for it as a regular term
02:19:34 <sethsimmons> It's late, but it's here:
02:19:34 <sethsimmons> https://sethsimmons.me/posts/this-year-in-monero-2021/
02:19:34 <sethsimmons> Going up on Twitter shortly, please DM me if you see an issue or know something that should have made the cut!
02:27:48 <volantaryism1[m]> sethsimmons: this is awesome
02:28:51 <sethsimmons> Please please please send me anything I missed! Want to be sure
02:28:51 <rottenwheel> sethsimmons no typos or mistakes spotted. Great job. You'll hear from our lawyers for not saying anything about El Monero podcast.
02:29:01 <sethsimmons> Didn't have a ton of time but wanted to be sure to get this out!
02:30:19 <rottenwheel> Don't know if where you used perspective, you wanted to use perspectives (plural), but other than that, truly didn't find any oddity within the text.
02:30:52 <sethsimmons> <rottenwheel "Don't know if where you used per"> Have an example? Not sure what you mean here but I didn't really take a deep grammatical pass (just spelling and simple grammar)
02:31:40 <rottenwheel> <sethsimmons "Have an example? Not sure what y"> Last word. Second paragraph below statistics.
02:32:25 <sethsimmons> Intended, but nice catch :D
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02:32:39 <rottenwheel> No problem.
02:33:07 <sethsimmons> Now that I think about it that's a weird one
02:33:17 <sethsimmons> Because I want to grant "perspective"
02:33:22 <sethsimmons> But the mixed plurality looks weird
02:33:26 <sethsimmons> Curse you rottenwheel
02:33:36 <sethsimmons> Now I'm going to be dreaming of grammatical quandaries
02:33:37 <rottenwheel> Lol.
02:33:44 <rottenwheel> This is what you get when you ask for peer review!
02:33:58 <rottenwheel> Lol.
02:35:13 <sethsimmons> SO MANY REGRETS>
02:35:18 <sethsimmons>  * SO MANY REGRETS.
02:43:05 <sethsimmons> Ah forgot hashrate and miners.
02:43:05 <sethsimmons> Will add that.
03:06:20 <sethsimmons> Added.
03:12:32 <sethsimmons> gingeropolous: do you have the historical miner count over time?
03:13:03 <sethsimmons> I used the back of mind 40k at RandomX fork and the current stats from miningpoolstats.stream but wasn't sure if you had been saving the counts you've been taking regularly.
03:37:51 <ratthing69[m]> It would be cool to see a little chart showing a difference in the transaction size
03:38:29 <ratthing69[m]> use the ol' little circle in the big circle chart 👀
03:39:01 <ratthing69[m]> i heard humans perceive area differences really well
03:39:36 <ratthing69[m]> really great though so far
03:42:26 <sethsimmons> <ratthing69[m] "It would be cool to see a little"> I'll try to do something like that for all the major differences tomorrow if possible. Goof suggestion!
04:26:16 <mechanimist[m]> is there a matrix room that is bridged to #monero on freenode? I can't seem to find it
04:29:00 <Mumuks[m]1> mechanimist: #monero:matrix.org
04:30:00 <mechanimist[m]> ah so it's not on monero.social
04:32:55 <xmrscott[m]> Oh wow, good catch. Something perhaps for sgp_  to bridge whenever they have the time. I think it's because bridging requires the freenode channel admin to quickly approve which may be why it's taken a while since sgp doesn't have admin on that channel
04:37:30 <Mumuks[m]1> <xmrscott[m] "Oh wow, good catch. Something pe"> It is bridged, the issue is that it does not have a monero.social address so it is not searchable there
04:43:48 <xmrscott[m]> Also, no one is admin beyond the IRC service there, similar to the situation that's befallen -community on monerosocial, so no one could even add the monerosocial published address
05:05:59 <xmrscott[m]> infinitejest-_: Whenever you happen to be online, please PM me; Element client won't let me since it claims you're offline
12:37:28 <gingeropolous> sethsimmons, kinda. we've been posting them in the pow channel, so i can grep my logs, but stupid IRC logs aren't timestamped, so you could plot it over unknown time
12:39:02 <Mumuks[m]1> <xmrscott[m] "Also, no one is admin beyond the"> needmoney90 is admin in both
12:39:40 <gingeropolous> oh wait they are timestamped
12:45:46 <sethsimmons> Sweet, no idea how I'd plot those but I'll try :D
12:47:00 <gingeropolous> sethsimmons, ah, it just doesn't include the year
12:47:01 <gingeropolous> https://termbin.com/oehka
12:47:32 <gingeropolous> i did some minimal data cleaning, and sech1 decided to use different syntax, so it needs to be sorted
12:47:57 <sethsimmons> Is that starting in Dec 2019, I assume?
12:48:04 <gingeropolous> but the time span should be around november of the year randomx started ..
12:48:07 <gingeropolous> yeaj. 2019
12:49:14 <gingeropolous> and in general, we just recorded new ATHs
12:51:36 <sethsimmons> Nice, I'll see what I can do with that
12:51:53 <sethsimmons> If nothing else I can have real numbers for post-RandomX till now :D
12:52:53 <gingeropolous> yeah, if no one gets around to it i'll clean up the data and try to plot it.... at some point...
14:08:27 <sethsimmons> <gingeropolous "yeah, if no one gets around to i"> Update to mining with detailed unique miner numbers:
14:08:45 <sethsimmons> Crazy
14:08:58 <CCosta[m]> holy, that's really good!
14:12:54 <CCosta[m]> how's number of miners determined? 🤔
14:14:55 <sethsimmons> https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
14:15:12 <sethsimmons> gingeropolous and sech1 have been cataloguing it since RandomX went live in IRC
14:15:25 <sethsimmons> Sadly there isn't a historical chart/lookback on that site.
14:16:40 <gingeropolous> yep
14:18:01 <CCosta[m]> but is that just scraping from the pools APIs? is there some extra protocol like stratum?
14:18:21 <sethsimmons> Not sure what you mean
14:18:29 <sethsimmons> The pool APIs are the only way to collect that data.
14:18:45 <sethsimmons> If miners have large operations they'll use XMRig Proxy and appear as a single miner via those APIs
14:20:29 <CCosta[m]> sethsimmons:  just wondering if there's a way of figuring out number of solo miners too - I've been seeing a big push for it recently, it'd be interesting to get some numbers there if it were possible
14:20:36 <CCosta[m]>  * sethsimmons:  just wondering if there's a way of figuring out number of solo miners too - I've been seeing a big push for it recently, it'd be interesting to get some numbers there if it was possible
14:20:39 <sethsimmons> Nope
14:20:58 <sethsimmons> You could maybe guess at it with nonce distribution and unknown hashrate but I doubt it
14:21:24 <sethsimmons> The number is likely a good bit higher than what we know because of that (and other pools that aren't scraped).
14:40:15 <Inge-> So it is a good measure for a lower bound of miners
15:46:27 <xmrscott[m]> <Mumuks[m]1 "needmoney90 is admin in both"> Not according to my client
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15:46:55 <xmrscott[m]> (-community, Matrix side via Element)
15:48:36 <Mumuks[m]1> <xmrscott[m] "Not according to my client"> The Android client does not show them all, only the last actives, not sure why
15:50:10 <xmrscott[m]> This is Desktop client FWIW
16:30:57 <mumuks[m]> xmrscott: here in Monero Community I see @needmoney90:matrix.org as Admin. Also there is someone called @pablonero:matrix.org
16:35:56 <mumuks[m]> and in  #monero:matrix.org , I see @needmoney90:matrix.org as admin too, along with two other users that right now I do not remember seeing around
16:36:56 <mumuks[m]> xmrscott: We really need to get in contact with @needmoney90:matrix.org so he can put as admin of those rooms someone more active
16:37:29 <needmoney90> I'll check it out today.
16:37:32 <xmrscott[m]> Ah, it's a matrix vs monerosocial discrepancy
16:37:47 <needmoney90> Also I see where my issue is already
16:37:59 <needmoney90> Matrix vs privacytools
16:38:03 <needmoney90> Base account
16:39:03 <Mumuks[m]1> <needmoney90 "I'll check it out today."> Great, I also need to have a bot made Moderator, not Amin, moderator in those two rooms, so it can remove the spam.
16:39:45 <Mumuks[m]1> needmoney90: if you get into that account again, ping me so I can make the bot join and you make it moderator
16:40:09 <needmoney90> Ok
20:48:55 <txstreet[m]> Hey Monero is now live on TxStreet 😀 do u guys want to test it?
20:49:42 <selsta> nice :D
20:53:40 <selsta> txstreet[m]: make sure to also post on Reddit
20:54:05 <ratthing69[m]> <txstreet[m] "Hey Monero is now live on TxStre"> Looks amazing!!!
20:55:01 <txstreet[m]> Thanks! :D Will post on social media in a bit
20:57:38 <Inge-> Looks cool
20:57:49 <Inge-> love the little infobits from Isabella
21:03:14 <txstreet[m]> https://twitter.com/txstreetCom/status/1384250622564659203
21:04:46 <rupee[m]> that's really cool!
21:04:49 <ratthing69[m]> Why did I just see a bunch of people get off the monero bus?
21:04:56 <ratthing69[m]> right before it left
21:05:17 <txstreet[m]> I think you have to ask the miner that lol
21:06:23 <ratthing69[m]> hahaha
21:06:49 <ratthing69[m]> you did a beautiful job on this, dude.
21:09:55 <Inge-> ahaha so good looking at xmr / btc side by side. Median TX cost, pending transactions etc ..
21:10:00 <txstreet[m]> Thanks :) A Monero community member did the Isabella sprite for me
21:10:11 <Inge-> last blok: 44 minutes ago, huge clog up at the station
21:10:28 <volantaryism1[m]> txstreet: love the rings
21:13:01 <volantaryism1[m]> txstreet: suppose the mempool of monero has like 100k txs, would the characters all wait on the bus and get kicked off when not included?
21:13:42 <txstreet[m]> If there were that many then there would be multiple buses.
21:14:40 <txstreet[m]> If they fill a bus completely, then they start to wait outside the bus, and consecutive buses will appear when there are enough txs to fill them
21:15:15 <anon_82641[m]> <volantaryism1[m] "txstreet: suppose the mempool of"> Monero has a block size limit. It's just continuasly reavaluated
21:17:01 <DaveyJones> and the beauty of the dynamic blocksize is that the protocol is always trying to put everything into one bus over time
21:17:30 <txstreet[m]> Yeah hopefully we see that bus grow as people start using Monero more
21:21:13 <DisBotXMR> <tifoji> Should it be nanoneros or piconeros
21:23:01 <txstreet[m]> Chose nanoneros for better readability, so there's not 4 digits on the bus
21:24:16 <volantaryism1[m]> Txstreet is my favorite blockchain visualizer❤
21:25:44 <volantaryism1[m]> txstreet: hey i have always wondered how the pathing and speed is chosen
21:28:07 <txstreet[m]> speed is based on the fee relative to the median fee
21:28:28 <txstreet[m]> pathing meaning where they start? thats just random lol
21:29:48 <nikg83[m]> txstreet: Blockchain Size (Pruned)	109,349.99 MB ? Pruned ? Pruned should 30gb odd isn’t it
21:30:26 <volantaryism1[m]> txstreet: thanks for info
21:31:21 <txstreet[m]> <nikg83[m] "txstreet: Blockchain Size (Prune"> oof, you are right. I was using a pruned node in my dev environment
21:31:29 <txstreet[m]> I will update it
21:32:27 <volantaryism1[m]> txstreet: do you have any other blockchains you would like to add later btw?
21:33:00 <txstreet[m]> nothing in mind to add besides eth layer 2 right now
21:47:24 <volantaryism1[m]> So tempted to send a super high fee to see how fast i can make it go
21:49:38 <txstreet[m]> haha there is a limit
22:10:31 <txstreet[m]> miners are really taking their time with the next block, is the hash rate ok?
22:10:45 <txstreet[m]> finally just got a block like 15 mins lol
22:10:46 <selsta> happens sometimes
22:12:21 <gingeropolous> boy this is fun to watch
22:12:59 <txstreet[m]> first time ive seen monero with any kind of "congestion" lol
22:13:04 <txstreet[m]> right after it goes live
22:13:09 <gingeropolous> lulz the dropped nano wallet
22:13:22 <gingeropolous> you should do dropped little pieces of paper
22:13:28 <gingeropolous> that have monero seeds on them for prize wallets
22:13:45 <gingeropolous> and they only appear on peoples screens n seconds after they've been watching
22:14:10 <gingeropolous> could prolly even use javascript to monitor amount of mousing over activity
22:14:23 <gingeropolous> though that could be thwarted by bots
22:14:27 <txstreet[m]> ive thought about doing that, but if i do it regularly then bots would get everything lol
22:14:32 <txstreet[m]> yeah^
22:15:17 <volantaryism1[m]> I wonder why the miners dont include all txs they can fit in 600kB
22:15:51 <txstreet[m]> they dont like money
22:57:13 <nioc> 300kB
22:58:34 <gingeropolous> volantaryism1[m], i think its because of block propagation delay
22:59:36 <gingeropolous> and/or tx propagation delay
23:00:25 <nioc> 300kB not 600kB
23:01:00 <nioc> over 300kB there is a penalty that needs to be compensated by higher fees
23:01:20 <nioc> if larger blocksize is sustained then fees drop back down
23:04:26 <gingeropolous> heh. one cool thing you could do over time txstreet[m] is to make the size of the buses indicative of the size of the blocks
23:04:41 <gingeropolous> because when monero gets really used, the blocks will grow and shrink
23:04:58 <txstreet[m]> it does that already ;)
23:05:04 <gingeropolous> nice.
23:05:13 <txstreet[m]> hoping the limit goes up soon so we can see
23:05:28 <nioc> .mempool
23:05:29 <monerobux> The current number of txs in Monero's mempool is 127
23:05:34 <nioc> .lastblock
23:05:35 <monerobux> Last block found 2.59 minutes ago with height 2343077 included 65 transactions
23:05:42 <gingeropolous> how about when a miner gets a penalty because they increased the tx size the blockchain police chase after the bus
23:05:53 <gingeropolous> er, increased the blocksize
23:06:46 <gingeropolous> the penalty would only occur if enough transactions exist that have a high enough fee to offset the penalty
23:07:18 <gingeropolous> so inside the bus those txs could be shown paying off the bus driver to "GO GO GOOOOOO"
23:09:10 <gingeropolous> heh. you could draw attention to a current screen door in our submarine, which is the tx_extra. maybe feed tx_extra into a color routine to give isabella a different colored hat
23:09:23 <gingeropolous> eventually hopefully no more hats would exist because we'll get ridda that darn thing
23:21:46 <volantaryism1[m]> gingeropolous: is there a limit to tx_extra data?
23:23:06 <anon_82641[m]> Nope