00:02:38 <volantaryism1[m]> txdistiller512: do you have the 24 word private key (dont post it anywhere)?
00:02:57 <volantaryism1[m]> You can use it to restore your wallet in another working app such as the MyMonero wallet
00:03:23 <LyzaLittle> fyi though MyMonero charges for wallet restoration
00:03:51 <volantaryism1[m]> LyzaLittle: not at all
00:03:58 <LyzaLittle> they change that?
00:04:19 <volantaryism1[m]> LyzaLittle: i have never heard of them charging
00:04:53 <txdistiller512> lol i wont post it
00:04:57 <LyzaLittle> It's because it's a service. They run the node for you, and restoring a walelt takes a lot of node resources because every output has to be scanned up from the restore height
00:05:10 <volantaryism1[m]> LyzaLittle: they dont charge
00:05:12 <txdistiller512> I have not looked ito restorin g it
00:05:38 <volantaryism1[m]> txdistiller512: i would use mymonero wallet if you are looking for a simple, easy to use one
00:06:07 <volantaryism1[m]> The fact that you are getting invalid outputs its suspicious, i would stop using wookie wallet
00:06:14 <txdistiller512> I have a hard time just getting it sync
00:06:43 <volantaryism1[m]> txdistiller512: if you have the seedphrase, migrating and syncing on mymonero is easy
00:07:07 <selsta> volantaryism1[m]: they charged in the past, I don't know if they still do
00:07:21 <txdistiller512> I have used it once when i moved money to store it i  2020
00:07:42 <volantaryism1[m]> txdistiller512: i would reccomend MyMonero, is its well trusted by the community
00:09:51 <LyzaLittle> 0.1 XMR fee https://intercom.help/mymonero/en/articles/4314749-i-would-like-to-restore-an-old-wallet-i-used-to-use
00:10:03 <LyzaLittle> which nowadays is 35 or 40 bucks
00:10:13 <txdistiller512> brbi will look into
00:10:20 <txdistiller512> brb
00:10:51 <volantaryism1[m]> LyzaLittle: i will have to look into that, wont reccomened them if that is true
00:11:17 <LyzaLittle> it was reasonable when XMR was $40 lol but they haven't changed it in forever
00:11:27 <volantaryism1[m]> txdistiller512: the GUI wallet for computers or Monerojo wallet for android is good too
00:12:22 <LyzaLittle> Monerujo, Cake, Official GUI from getmonero.org, and also featherwallet.org is simple and styled like Electrum if you're into that
00:14:59 <volantaryism1[m]> LyzaLittle: i just restored a wallet on mymonero for free
00:15:33 <endogenic> volantaryism1[m]: it'd only start scanning from when you logged in without an import tho
00:15:36 <volantaryism1[m]> Wait
00:15:40 <txdistiller512> ok bak
00:15:47 <volantaryism1[m]> Damn i see they charge 0.1 XMR to restore...
00:15:49 <txdistiller512> let me read over this page
00:15:54 <volantaryism1[m]> That is super scummy wtf!!!!!
00:16:03 <endogenic> yeah you can hit up support. i used to do it for free lol
00:16:06 <volantaryism1[m]> Fuck MyMonero... what scammers
00:16:08 <selsta> volantaryism1[m]: why is it scammy?
00:16:09 <endogenic> whoaasa
00:16:23 <selsta> just create a new wallet and move your funds into it
00:16:29 <LyzaLittle> I wouldn't say it's a scam per se they just need to update the price, XMR ain't 40 bucks anymore
00:16:34 <selsta> if you don't want to charge the fee, though with the price increase it is too high
00:16:35 <endogenic> ^
00:16:49 <endogenic> it was always kinda high to me honestly but yeah
00:16:53 <volantaryism1[m]> selsta: chargine 35$ to scan a balance which would use less than 10ths of a cent in compute power is scummy as fuck
00:17:01 <endogenic> we had a bug in import detection
00:17:08 <endogenic> so it was a jarring user experience
00:17:11 <volantaryism1[m]> *charging
00:17:17 <selsta> volantaryism1[m]: that's not the definition of a scam
00:17:24 <volantaryism1[m]> I will no longer ever reccomend MyMonero...
00:17:40 <endogenic> selsta: what makes a scam?
00:17:51 <endogenic> volantaryism1[m]: You can run your own server
00:18:07 <endogenic> MyMonero worked to standardize the API behind the server and we even sponsored the release of an open source implementation of the server for you
00:18:16 <endogenic> And in the app you can set whatever server you want
00:18:35 <endogenic> tho I would recommend getting an SSL cert to encrypt your traffic
00:19:33 <endogenic> it was a free / out of my and his pocket service otherwise. we saw no profits by a longshot from providing scanning
00:20:41 <volantaryism1[m]> I use my own node when using a mobile wallet so it isnt an issue for me or anyone with knowledge of monero.
00:20:41 <volantaryism1[m]> Only complete newbs who lack information would end up paying the 0.1, in my eyes that is predatory and scammy
00:21:10 <selsta> monero price was way lower just a short time ago
00:21:14 <selsta> they did not update it yet
00:21:17 <endogenic> ^
00:21:25 <endogenic> it used to be more
00:21:52 <endogenic> volantaryism1[m]: it was an open source project that relied on people's help .. it's been around about as long as monero itself
00:21:57 <endogenic> so if you could, please let them know?
00:22:05 <selsta> seems like the import process still uses long payment IDs
00:22:15 <txdistiller512> Ok so I looked around and i am not sure, right now, where the phrase is for  the wallet. ... the error " transaction was rejected by daemon with status: reason invaild output"....
00:22:32 <endogenic> txdistiller512: do you have the most up to date version of whichever wallet you're using?
00:22:36 <volantaryism1[m]> endogenic: im sure people would donate... the monero donation wallet has had over 110,000 monero donated to it
00:22:45 <endogenic> damn
00:22:48 <endogenic> i wish i got a donation lol
00:22:53 <selsta> volantaryism1[m]: I don't think that's accurate
00:22:56 <endogenic> still working anyway
00:23:05 <endogenic> we never asked for donations anyway
00:23:10 <selsta> 11000 XMR if you import the wallet with view key
00:23:19 <selsta> 110000*
00:23:26 <selsta> but that is not the accurate balance due to missing key images
00:23:26 <endogenic> 1110000000
00:23:34 <endogenic> it's in binary
00:23:50 <txdistiller512> yes  I have the up to date ver. 2.0.0.1
00:23:55 <volantaryism1[m]> *114742.3789937830394 to be exact
00:24:27 <selsta> volantaryism1[m]: like I said, it does not have that many lol
00:24:35 <selsta> view only balance is inaccurate without key images
00:24:40 <selsta> as it displays change as incoming transactions
00:24:53 <volantaryism1[m]> I know, i am just saying that that much has been donated
00:25:00 <selsta> no
00:25:01 <selsta> :D
00:25:13 <volantaryism1[m]> Unless the wallet is doing churning?
00:25:35 <selsta> if you receive 100 XMR into a view only wallet and send 50 XMR out the view only wallet will display 150 XMR
00:25:46 <selsta> even if it only received 100XMR total
00:25:59 <selsta> due to 50 XMR change getting added on top
00:25:59 <LyzaLittle> that's.... pretty unintuitive ngl
00:26:07 <endogenic> lol it's bc of how viewkey scanning works
00:26:15 <selsta> view only wallet displays incoming transactions
00:26:56 <selsta> it does not display the accurate balance unless key images are imported
00:26:57 <txdistiller512> I found someone elses idea for the problem but that requires me you build a sysytem, with distro and  d/l  the blockchain to sync up, not sure if this make sense, yet
00:27:15 <LyzaLittle> key image is individual for each TX yeah?
00:27:17 <volantaryism1[m]> selsta: damn, lol i need to go to monero school again, but still i think my point still stands, i am more than willing to donate to maintain MyMonero
00:28:06 <LyzaLittle> <txdistiller512> nah you can use Cake or Feather or the official GUI with a remote node, will be much faster
00:28:07 <selsta> LyzaLittle: yea I think so
00:28:28 <endogenic> volantaryism1[m]: it's not a question of maintaining it
00:28:36 <txdistiller512> so after all the back and forth, is mymonero wallet a good option
00:29:02 <LyzaLittle> <txdistiller512> it will work but you will have to pay 0.1 XMR only you can decide if it's good. I'd say not worth it to me
00:29:12 <LyzaLittle> other options are free
00:30:41 <txdistiller512> just realized its been 25 years since i have used IRC,   time flys
00:31:11 <volantaryism1[m]> txdistiller512: use cakewallet or monerujo wallet
00:35:47 <txdistiller512> <+volantaryism> thx for the info.hard to lose 12.3XMR right now
01:04:37 <txdistiller512> where do I find the official remote nodes???
01:04:47 <txdistiller512> didnt find any
01:07:40 <txdistiller512> ok found an DIY how to run a node. thats a start
01:08:14 <endogenic> go txdistiller512 ! :)
01:09:12 <endogenic> official remote nodes hehe
01:09:22 <endogenic> https://monero.fail
03:06:50 <DisBotXMR1> <RawParrot> just started running a node yesterday, the guides were very helpful.
06:23:06 <spirobel[m]> i think its really hard to understand for new users which nodes to trust. I am thinking of hardcoding one in the discourse plugin i am working on so that the user is not even confronted with the question
06:54:46 <lza_menace> spriobel: usually best to run your own
06:55:14 <lza_menace> i host monero.fail, and while i can't verify/trust each one that's added, it does help to have a huge list to choose from
06:55:38 <lza_menace> there's a route that returns json if you want to feed it into your app rather than hardcode only one:
06:55:41 <lza_menace> https://monero.fail/nodes.json
06:56:20 <spirobel[m]> <lza_menace "i host monero.fail, and while i "> I see. what are the security implications? i just need to if transaction have been verified.
06:56:51 <spirobel[m]> > <@freenode_lza_menace:matrix.org> i host monero.fail, and while i can't verify/trust each one that's added, it does help to have a huge list to choose from
06:56:51 <spirobel[m]>  * I see. what are the security implications? i just need to check  if transaction have been verified.
06:57:08 <spirobel[m]>  * I see. what are the security implications? i just need to check  if transactions have been verified.
07:01:59 <lza_menace> whatever node operator ends up fielding your tx will have the ability to log the payload contents and source IP
07:03:32 <spirobel[m]> <lza_menace "whatever node operator ends up f"> okay. so it means its mainly a privacy concern, right?
07:03:52 <lza_menace> yes
07:04:31 <lza_menace> you can combat that by routing via tor
07:05:08 <lza_menace> but more complexity to your system...another dependency to manage
07:05:16 <lza_menace> all just tradeoffs...
07:06:08 <spirobel[m]> <lza_menace "you can combat that by routing v"> you are right that makes total sense. I start to understand: all the information i send to monero-wallet-rpc can be seen by the node, right? so the node might see how much money i receive.
07:06:32 <spirobel[m]> <lza_menace "all just tradeoffs..."> amazing. Not easy to understand in the beginning.
07:06:54 <lza_menace> hmmm, i don't think the node sees amounts
07:07:38 <lza_menace> need someone more knowledgeable than me to chime in on that
07:07:42 <spirobel[m]> <lza_menace "hmmm, i don't think the node see"> okay so the monero wallet rpc still does something before sending it to the node? amazing. it would be interesting to know what exactly the node sees.
07:32:58 <lza_menace> spirobel: read this: https://moneroworld.com/
07:33:08 <lza_menace> the first few paragraphs
07:52:06 <spirobel[m]> <lza_menace "spirobel: read this: https://mon"> I read it but I didnt get smarter. In my use case i primarily want to create addresses for a cold wallet and let users send money to these addresses. then I need to check if the transactions got verified. so no money is being sent. I guess I would use these methods: https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monero-wallet-rpc-reference/#create_address and maybe this one:
07:52:06 <spirobel[m]> https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monero-wallet-rpc-reference/#get_transfers the question i wonder about is this: when I use these rpc methods what does the node actually receive and what are the implications of that? I would be glad to hear your thoughts on this. But maybe its not an easy question. I am thinking about just doing a test and looking at wireshark to see what comes out on the other side.
08:01:14 <lza_menace> you probably should do that just as a learning experience
08:56:51 <spirobel[m]> <lza_menace "you probably should do that just"> aukai :D
13:47:07 <dEBRUYNE> rehrar: Have you updated the proposal already?
13:47:19 <sethsimmons> Yes
13:47:21 <sethsimmons> He pushed a commit today
13:51:06 <dEBRUYNE> Just reading it, looks good to me
14:25:53 <mechanimist[m]> There is a comment [here](https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monerod-reference/#mining) that I am curious about
14:25:53 <mechanimist[m]> > Be advised though that real mining happens in pools and with high-end GPU-s instead of CPU-s.
14:25:53 <mechanimist[m]> Is this comment a holdover from before RandomX or does it still hold true?
14:27:03 <mechanimist[m]> There is a comment [here](https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monerod-reference/#mining) that I am curious about
14:27:03 <mechanimist[m]> > Be advised though that real mining happens in pools and with high-end GPU-s instead of CPU-s.
14:27:03 <mechanimist[m]> Is this comment a holdover from before RandomX or does it still hold true?
14:31:05 <sethsimmons> No, it's a holdover and should be updated.
14:42:25 <ratthing69[m]> https://twitter.com/xmrhero/status/1386685988366430208?s=20
14:42:25 <ratthing69[m]> is this.... real?
15:13:22 <xmrscott> <ratthing69[m] "is this.... real?"> Account that was created in Jan 2021, and looks nothing like the Kastelo prototypes, so at the very least, probably not Kastelo HW wallet that has been under development for years
15:17:04 <xmrscott> msvb-rtc: Looks like you / #monero-hardware may have some healthy competition: https://twitter.com/xmrhero/status/1386685988366430208
15:43:08 <ErCiccione> somebody announced they were working on a hardware wallet not long ago. They also intended to open a CCS porposal at one point IIRC
16:00:08 <xmrscott> Right on, glad it seems like it may be legitimate then
16:16:12 <sethsimmons> SerHack says this is fake: https://twitter.com/serhack_/status/1386714099162169347?s=21
16:16:21 <sethsimmons> It's a stock photo of a dev board
16:16:33 <sethsimmons> 😢
16:17:08 <selsta> we had i_a working on a hw wallet
16:17:15 <selsta> not sure what the latest status is
16:45:55 <ratthing69[m]> Yeah it’s like someone taking an arduino and saying they made a Monero wallet for it 🙃
16:45:59 <ratthing69[m]> Sad
23:37:31 <endogenic> i did some work w some hardware companies back when and last thing going on there that i was involved in was working on factoring the hwdevice cold signing etc into a generalized format other companies could use for forming monero txs ... and it needed to be confirmed if things like sigs would even really fit in any existing secure memory chipsets
23:38:19 <endogenic> but wow there is so much scope for hardware devices for monero