00:52:34 <msvb-mob> There are a couple options since last year endogenic, like the CEC1712 or SE050 which can create ECDSA keys with Montgomery and Edwards curves without leaving the chip.
00:52:48 <msvb-mob> And obviously sign and verify data with the keys as well.
00:52:53 <endogenic> oh neat
00:53:58 <msvb-mob> Important is that the chip generates the key and it doesn't leave the chip (some devices control blow a fuse to accomplish this.)
00:59:43 <ratthing69[m]> https://twitter.com/scbagcohen/status/1386842617858637824?s=21
00:59:52 <ratthing69[m]> First contact with taleb?
04:36:37 <Inge-> sethsimmons: did you get instabanned by carvalho?
04:44:38 <nioc> https://twitter.com/rottenwheel/status/1386888409315172353
04:44:46 <nioc> :D
04:47:31 <selsta> same guy that tweeted btc is perfectly private
06:40:14 <DaveyJones> he isnt bitrefill anymore though
06:40:20 <DaveyJones> it says "former"
07:28:09 <Guest21078> Who rang in here?
07:28:29 <Guest21078> Oh, coin.
07:28:33 <Guest21078> Stop stalking my Twitter. You are not even on there. nioc
07:28:47 <Guest21078> I already got enough with m5m400. Please cease or I'll talk to my lawyer.
07:29:28 <Guest21078> DaveyJones even if he's not bitrefill no more. He was just calling for a good cursing. I tend to be good at that.
07:33:59 <DaveyJones> sure the cursing was good - but i think bringing in the bitrefill weakens it , cause of said point :D
07:42:30 <Inge-> lol
08:07:19 <Inge-> nntaleb went protected?
08:07:24 <Inge-> wtf
11:51:26 <midipoet> What's the story with that xmrhero tweet about Monero hardware?
11:52:39 <sethsimmons> <Inge- "sethsimmons: did you get instaba"> Just got blocked overnight it seems. Took him a while.
11:52:43 <sethsimmons> Makes me not have to mute him anymore :D
11:53:17 <sethsimmons> <midipoet "What's the story with that xmrhe"> Probably nothing, it's a stock photo of a dev board.
11:57:47 <midipoet> But it had an M on it
11:57:53 <midipoet> Are you saying they lied?
11:58:00 <midipoet> Damn Twitter
11:58:07 <midipoet> I so wanted to believe you
12:01:37 <DaveyJones> who knows - either a troll or maybe someone even trying to scam ?
12:02:04 <DaveyJones> a wallet that doesnt exist to scam people out of their untraceable coins - perfect crime xD
12:06:18 <Inge-> yeah the M was the manufacturer, as I understand it it had nothing to do with an actual Monero HW wallet
12:39:56 <Inge-> todays memes are presented by nntaleb and Preston Pysh
12:40:04 <Inge-> https://twitter.com/PrestonPysh/status/1387018153578860547
12:40:11 <Inge-> https://twitter.com/ScBagCohen/status/1386842617858637824
12:41:11 <sethsimmons> <Inge- "https://twitter.com/ScBagCohen/s"> I want to know more about that context lol
12:41:39 <Inge-> unfortunately nntaleb has made his account protected, so I don't know what was the original statement
12:42:28 <sethsimmons> Big sad
12:42:33 <sethsimmons> At least he knows what Monero is :D
12:42:41 <Inge-> Yuuuuuge red flag
15:01:34 <dEBRUYNE> Can we merge rehrar's proposal for sarang?
15:01:39 <dEBRUYNE> cc luigi1111 luigi1111w
15:03:53 <nioc> !donate
15:55:29 <Guest21078> dEBRUYNE you got the specific logs of the recent Triptych meeting over at -dev? feeling lazy and don't know if anyone trimmed, want to take a peek. Thanks.
15:56:28 <Guest21078>  * dEBRUYNE you got the specific log of the recent Triptych meeting over at -dev? feeling lazy and don't know if anyone trimmed, want to take a peek. Thanks.
15:56:38 <Guest21078> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/cypherstack-sarang-triptych-research.html
15:58:57 <Guest21078> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/224
16:55:19 <nioc> rottenwheel you show as Guest21078 here
16:55:44 <nioc> sgp_ had the same issue
16:57:45 <sgp_> (by that he means GuestXXXXX)
16:58:43 <Guest21078> Ye, I know. But this isn't Twitter, is it? ;)
16:58:57 <nioc> let me check
17:05:54 <dEBRUYNE> Guest21078: It's on the meta ticket
20:37:40 <Guest21078> .tell rbrunner thanks for posting recent triptych meeting logs in the meta sir. Appreciate it.
20:37:40 <monerobux> Guest21078: I'll pass that on when rbrunner is around.
21:19:36 <midipoet> sgp_: what's the story with r/Cryptocurrency censoring posts as well now?
21:19:47 <midipoet> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/XxP7bZGz
21:20:13 <midipoet> That got censored/moderated away. Was alerted by the censor bot
21:24:39 <DaveyJones> did it though ? i also get alerted when somewhere in the chain one single post is deleted
21:24:45 <DaveyJones> doesnt have to be mine
21:25:23 <jwinterm> is monerokon kaput for this year?
21:26:27 <Mumuks[m]> <midipoet "sgp_: what's the story with r/Cr"> r/cryptocurrency has always censor
21:27:01 <midipoet> DaveyJones: ah ok. Maybe that was it
21:27:22 <midipoet> Mumuks[m]: has it? I thought it was just r/btc
21:27:46 <midipoet> Though r/BTC is beyond the pale at this stage
21:28:11 <DaveyJones> r/btc is just is the equivalent to maxi twitter with their blocks xD
21:28:11 <midipoet> How that has been allowed to prevail is staggering
21:33:05 <botcoinnotbot[m]> midipoet: lot of demand for bigger blocks
21:35:40 <nioc> •jwinterm> is monerokon kaput for this year? <<>> I have heard of no plans
21:36:54 <nioc> jwinterm: do you have any suggestions?
21:39:16 <jwinterm> no I just saw this tweet from a couple months ago https://twitter.com/MoneroKon/status/1360312111105146881
21:41:02 <nioc> hmmmm
22:06:29 <sgp_> <midipoet "https://www.irccloud.com/pastebi"> Can you link to the actual comment?
22:12:00 <Guest21078> jwinterm online conferences should be illegal. Me thinks it should be just pushed to 2022 to avoid covaids overhead drama and shenanigans.
22:12:07 <Guest21078> Meatspace monerokon or no go. Let Zcash do their thingers.
22:12:38 <jwinterm> Guest21078, I tend to agree, but such is life in 2021 still I guess
22:15:52 <Snipa> I'm curious to see how they do this year, the Defcon team is currently epxloring it, so I'm really curious how online cons go.
22:19:15 <Guest21078> Defcon is rolling hybrid. Meatspace and behind the screens. Seems like a good compromise.
22:28:21 <Snipa> Yeah, I saw, one of my ex-roomies is on one of the sub-con teams, and we've been discussing it.  I'm really curious to see how it turns out, because I'd like to go in person, but I'm really glad they're digitizing /all/ talks at the same time.
22:34:30 <Guest21078> Imagine having the lead maintainer attend in meatspace for CDV. 😎
22:34:43 <Guest21078> You can finally put a face to this rowdy ass. ;-)
22:39:36 <Snipa> Tbh, IO'd like to meet up w/ you at some point. :P
22:59:41 <mechanimist[m]> I have a question: which of the following do we mean when we say monero is _fungible_?
22:59:41 <mechanimist[m]> (a) There is a fact of the matter as to where any monero funds came from, all the way back to the block reward that created them. However, the facts are obfuscated in the blockchain such that monero is _effectively_ fungible. One could try to trace funds backwards, but they would only be doing some kind of probabilistic analysis.
22:59:41 <mechanimist[m]> (b) There is no fact of the matter as to where monero funds came from "originally". If Alice and Bob each give me 1 XMR then what I will have is 2 XMR from Alice+Bob, rather than 1 XMR from Alice plus 1 XMR from Bob. There's no way to split my supply into the portion from Alice and the portion from Bob. Monero is fungible _in principle_.
22:59:57 <mechanimist[m]> (or is it neither of those)
23:05:21 <botcoinnotbot[m]> (a)
23:54:30 <volantaryism1[m]> Petition to add the ability to make payments that execute at a specific time or future block to the gui