08:53:04 <DaveyJones> don't we love all those miniature gladsteins ? https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Sam
08:53:37 <DaveyJones> Freethinkers - Freedom Advocate my Ass  "Bitcoin will free humanity"
12:06:27 <msvb-mob> How can we get the attention of need-money who is able to solve the recurring problems with Reddit. I haven't tried Facebook or Twitter, but we just got a rejected message posting to Reddit for a completely spam free text to advertise tomorrow's village meeting.
12:06:40 <msvb-mob> Same nonsense as before, with the same text content, just a different day.
12:07:10 <msvb-mob> And before somebody alerts need-money, please remember his timezone. The last time we accidentally woke him up in the middle of the night or something.
12:13:37 <selsta> dEBRUYNE: ^
12:25:20 <sethsimmons> msvb-mob: DM me, can resolve
12:27:50 <msvb-mob> Okay sethsimmons, thanks.
12:28:17 <Mumuks[m]1> Yeah, send a dick pick to sethsimmons and he'll solve your problems
12:44:26 * qjliohcu[m] uploaded an image: (54KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/scKsphWJvFzBjGVQsVYoOrZA/b113.jpg >
12:45:24 <sethsimmons> Looks like they've graduated to Matrix, Mumuks, can banhammer handle that?
12:45:33 <selsta> why is monero-guard voicing matrix users automatically?
12:48:12 <dEBRUYNE> msvb-mob: Will check the filter, but I think it's the 'Discord' mention
12:48:21 <dEBRUYNE> We used to have persistent spammers in the past spamming discord links
12:50:04 <msvb-mob> dEBRUYNE: That's very helpful, if you find out that typing the word Discord (or any other similar word that's normal) in a message causes a false positive then that would be great to know it.
12:50:45 <Mumuks[m]1> <sethsimmons "Looks like they've graduated to "> Which one? The image?
12:50:46 <selsta> can we add more matrix mods?
12:50:54 <sethsimmons> <Mumuks[m]1 "Which one? The image?"> yeah
12:51:00 <sethsimmons> <selsta "can we add more matrix mods?"> I'm happy to
12:51:08 <sethsimmons> Whoever can add me to all rooms
12:51:58 <selsta> Mumuks[m]1: qjliohcu[m]  icutjheib[m]
12:51:59 <dEBRUYNE> msvb-mob: Well, false positive in your case
12:52:05 <dEBRUYNE> Typically our filters catch way more spam than false positives
12:52:29 <Mumuks[m]1> sethsimmons: the bot has an option to ban any user that publishes an image within 30 seconds or something like that of joining. After 30 seconds of joining they are free to post images
12:53:08 <Mumuks[m]1> That protection is off now, should I activate it?
12:53:58 <sethsimmons> <Mumuks[m]1 "sethsimmons: the bot has an opti"> Seems like an easy win
12:54:00 <Mumuks[m]1> The message is deleted and the user banned, bir the user can message any mod to be unbanned. The bot just bans and forgets, it does not remember the ban to re-enforce it.
12:54:14 <sethsimmons> No reason someone should be able to post images so quickly.
12:54:25 <sethsimmons> <Mumuks[m]1 "The message is deleted and the u"> I don't think any mods will unban that :D
12:54:45 <Mumuks[m]1> I'm just saying in case of a false positive
12:55:06 <sethsimmons> Ah, yes!
14:09:24 * lnunxibjrz[m] uploaded an image: (51KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/aPdErQSVYDNwHIHsrEibTJXZ/b119.jpg >
14:10:00 <spacekitty420[m]> sigh
14:18:04 <anon_82641[m]> vikrants (Cake) Need any help in getting cake added to f-droid?
15:18:08 <kinghat[m]> can use your own repo on f-droid as well
15:24:01 <selsta> :DD
15:29:05 <selsta> ^ sethsimmons here too
15:29:19 <selsta> and in #monero and #monero-dev
15:29:22 <sethsimmons> I don't have mod here
15:29:33 <sethsimmons> Think we are waiting on needmoney90 to figure out his Matrix login...
15:29:48 <sethsimmons> Actually
15:30:09 <sethsimmons> rehrar: charuto  can you remove above, ban, and grant me admin/mod?
15:30:59 <sethsimmons> Or sgp_  I believe
15:33:38 <sgp_> I am only a mod here, I can't appoint other mods
16:03:11 <rehrar> Again the room needs to be remade.
16:09:58 <xmrscott> Yep yep yep
16:35:46 <sethsimmons> <rehrar "Again the room needs to be remad"> Just as a new room on Monero.social?
17:02:52 <selsta> rehrar: so how can we voice users with monero-guard?
17:13:45 <xmrscott> <sethsimmons "Just as a new room on Monero.soc"> Yes, the room creation process wasn't down quite pat when -community was created
17:17:28 <ErCiccione> Creating a new room while the old room cannot be deleted is not a good idea. We are trying to bring the original admins here
17:17:45 <xiphon> selsta, 2 ways, both require OP status: 1) voice a user by setting +v IRC mode 2) send "+voice <username>" command to monero-guiard
17:19:21 <xmrscott> So someone is actively working on the lack of Matrix admins then after all in -community? Glad to hear
17:19:29 <sethsimmons> Yes
17:19:41 <sethsimmons> On all the room issues/moderation generally.
17:20:53 <selsta> xiphon: can you hardcode non OP users?
17:21:10 <selsta> I would be fine with PMing monero-guard with users that could be voiced
17:25:13 <kinghat[m]> the monero-guard could do some type of bot captcha control to gain privs to chat in room
17:25:16 <xiphon> yep, will do in a few
17:25:59 <kinghat[m]> kind of surprised this hasnt been done by someone before
17:27:03 <kinghat[m]> ive seen discord servers implement similar
17:27:09 <kinghat[m]> like agree to these rules and do this thing to prove youre not a bot
17:28:06 <xiphon> yes, but "do this thing" is the main problem here
17:28:16 <xiphon> any idead of something easy to implement and not that easy to game?
17:31:19 <spacekitty420[m]> for discord even a captcha verification doesnt even prevent all the bots from spam dm'ing as they can call the function to dm from the list of people in the server even if they dont see the list of people online, thats really dumb...
17:32:14 <kinghat[m]> probably lots of things but nothing that we can use that doesnt also prevent us from moving to another service. like another auth service. github for example.
17:32:51 <kinghat[m]> i mean if you need a gitlab/github account to contribute it should be enough to chat here 🤷‍♂️
17:33:22 <xmrscott> Yes, you can buy services where people in a center basically get paid fractions of a penny to verify captchas, etc
17:34:04 <kinghat[m]> of course, its cat and mouse. but thats not whats happening here afaict.
17:34:25 <spacekitty420[m]> not even that but there's tools that do autofill captchas too apparently :derp:
17:35:19 <kinghat[m]> anyways, using somone elses auth should be good enough 🤷‍♂️
17:35:45 <xmrscott> It depends on who you're trying to prevent spam, wasn't someone buying GitHub accounts to spam the repos?
17:36:03 <kinghat[m]> thats not happening here though
17:36:22 <xmrscott> Ok, me is context clueless, ignore me
17:37:07 <spacekitty420[m]> still could happen tho.. some went to really great lengths to tryna fuck with the ecosystem and whatnot...
17:38:04 <selsta> kinghat[m]: the spam is done manually
17:38:22 <selsta> so captchas are not going to help much
17:38:41 <kinghat[m]> if its manually then nothing will stop it
17:38:55 <kinghat[m]> other than manually combating it
17:40:03 <xmrscott> Which is relatively trivial to and async in cost; it costs a mod all of maybe 3 seconds to delete+ban vs cost of creating/verifying account
17:40:11 <kinghat[m]> has there been spam originating from matrix?
17:41:02 <xmrscott> Yes, there's still a post from -community's biggest spammer in the last 24 hours that hasn't been deleted yet
17:41:07 <Mumuks[m]1> <kinghat[m] "has there been spam originating "> From FUK or in general?
17:41:15 <xmrscott> (That originated from a matrix .org based account)
17:41:24 <Mumuks[m]1> From FUK today is the first day
17:41:38 <Mumuks[m]1> Others no
17:43:32 <kinghat[m]> how do we know they are manually spamming
17:44:15 <Mumuks[m]1> <kinghat[m] "how do we know they are manually"> I do not think he is
17:44:28 <selsta> well the matrix spam today was clearly manually
17:45:20 <selsta> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7701/commits/e2f3bd0ef95669f0af20858106f3211b9d5e09ee
17:45:38 <selsta> this is signed with github web editor which also means someone did it manually
17:46:18 <selsta> the irc spam was most likely automated so monero-guard will help there hopefully
17:47:24 <xmrscott> If there's a way to date Matrix account creation, the age of the account vs post timing would also be a decent indicator; you'd expect it to be seconds small if automated
17:47:35 <kinghat[m]> spending energy on preventing manual spam is probably wasted energy
18:04:00 <rehrar> ErCiccione: there are no original admins
18:05:25 <ErCiccione> there are. They haven't joined the new room yet. You can see it in settings -> Roles & Permissions
18:06:56 * spacekitty420[m] uploaded an image: (14KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/cDuXlPNZohEvzqnhKfirlraa/image.png >
18:08:29 <Mumuks[m]1> <ErCiccione "there are. They haven't joined t"> I don't think so. Is just that they are inactive, that is why they do not shiw in some clients
18:08:51 * spacekitty420[m] uploaded an image: (10KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/SsDyKhIUEEHmnaLXDteYPUEU/image.png >
18:08:54 <spacekitty420[m]> well, they dont show in the info panel
18:09:51 <spacekitty420[m]> oh shit, sowry, realized i in light mode and could have posted in dark mode, sowry eyes LOL
18:10:07 <Mumuks[m]1> If they have not joined the room, they would not show anywhere
18:10:40 <rehrar> Interesting. Let me see then.
18:12:54 <ErCiccione> Mumuks: this room is version 6. Synapse tracks presence from version 7 IIRC. I don't think it's about the client.
18:13:50 <ErCiccione> or maybe already from 6 but presence tracking is disabled on monero.social synapse. Either way, admins should also show up afaik, regardless by their activity
18:14:53 <Mumuks[m]1> ErCiccione: i do not know about that tbh
18:16:18 <ErCiccione>  * or maybe already from 6 but presence tracking is disabled on monero.social synapse. Either way, admins should always show up afaik, regardless of their activity
18:21:38 <xiphon> selsta: "I would be fine with PMing monero-guard with users that could be voiced" -> give it a try, should be all set now
18:23:09 <selsta> xiphon: nice seems to work
18:23:20 <selsta> does -voice also exist?
18:23:27 <xiphon> yep
18:26:38 <xmrscott> I think you can only have presence tracking w/ the Matrix/Synapse release from 1-2 weeks ago, which at the time at least, monerosocial wasn't on
18:29:15 <ErCiccione> i don't think it's related to the synapse version, but to the room version and synapse config.
18:34:37 <xmrscott> At least in the past, in rooms that I've been admin on like Space, there has been an Element prompt to upgrade to the new room version (at least for v5->v6), so I would assume to see it for v7 if it was detached from Synapse releases
18:36:31 <xmrscott> Actually, looks like v7 hasn't even been released yet going by blog: https://matrix.org/blog/2021/04/30/this-week-in-matrix-2021-04-30
18:37:00 <xmrscott> There are a number of changes being merged to the spec as we move swiftly towards the next major Spec release. Those that have merged this week are:
18:37:00 <xmrscott>     MSC2403: Knocking and MSC2998: Room Version 7
18:43:04 <selsta> rehrar: ok let's also add monero-guard to MRL and MRLounge :)
18:43:16 <selsta> I think #monero, markets and pools is fine without it for now
18:43:21 <selsta> pools has their own moderation anyway
18:43:34 <rehrar> yes, markets and pools prefer their "shit show" image as it is :P
18:45:04 <rehrar> I'm not an op in either of these rooms that has control. I pinged pony.
18:49:40 <sgp_> Seth and I are admins in lounge
18:51:44 <rehrar> sgp_: I need you to run a command
19:11:00 <nioc> •rehrar> yes, markets and pools prefer their "shit show" image as it is :P  <<>> I don't know why you include -markets here
19:26:11 <selsta> sgp_: we need an OP on freenode side
19:32:46 <sgp_> so not me then :p
19:43:24 <prof0und_madman[> Has anybody tried setting up a Monero node on a raspberry pi 4 or know of any tutorials?? Thanks
19:46:18 <xmrscott> prof0und_madman:  https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/PiNode-XMR
19:49:32 <prof0und_madman[> <xmrscott "prof0und_madman:  https://github"> Thanks for this 👍🏻
20:32:06 <mechanic41turk[m> <prof0und_madman[ "Has anybody tried setting up a M"> I am also interested in this
20:32:51 <mechanic41turk[m> Recently tried running armv8 binaries on my raspberry pi 4, however, I got illegal instruction error.
20:33:37 <mechanic41turk[m> I don't want to run pinode-xmr. Can someone tell me which binaries should I get for my raspberry pi 4 ?
21:22:13 <xmrscott> <mechanic41turk[m "Recently tried running armv8 bin"> Could file an issue/notify them and they might be able to resolve in a minor release
23:05:10 <sgp_> Remember Monero Meet tomorrow at 17 UTC
23:19:21 <ratthing69[m]> is there a calendar of this stuff floating around?
23:19:28 <ratthing69[m]> i'm seriously going to bookmark it this time