17:09:58 <devhelp> Hi every one
17:10:29 <devhelp> Let's temporarily patch the nodes asap to select mixins from before 2019, and 50% from the last 1.8 days
17:10:46 <devhelp> That will prevent ciphertrace from tracking wallets that have updated
17:11:14 <devhelp> That is the only way to trace monero
17:11:21 <devhelp> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ioa0fq/tutorial_how_to_bypass_ciphertrace_tracking/
17:11:22 <monerobux> [REDDIT] TUTORIAL - HOW TO BYPASS CIPHERTRACE TRACKING (self.Monero) | 1 points (57.0%) | 9 comments | Posted by fredpar | Created at 2020-09-07 - 15:56:34
17:16:14 <sethsimmons> Can you post the substantiation for these claims somewhere other than Reddit? I.e. in a gist or something?
17:17:24 <hyc> I'll take that as a "no"
17:18:00 <hyc> these clowns really think they can just traipse in here with wild unsubstantiated claims and get anyone to listen?
17:18:39 <sethsimmons> We’re certainly not going to just change the decoy selection on random claims
17:18:48 <dEBRUYNE> There was no substantiation in the post
17:18:50 <sethsimmons> But maybe there’s something behind it that can be brought to light.
17:19:01 <dEBRUYNE> OP basically claimed that any growth (from 2019 onwards) was caused by CT
17:19:12 <dEBRUYNE> Ergo, CT made the majority of the transactions
17:19:20 <sethsimmons> Ah, ok, then I repeat my claim to devhelp
17:19:24 <sethsimmons> Post some substantiation 🙂
17:21:07 <selsta> The April 2019 bump was due to Minko.
17:21:48 <selsta> Obviously not solely because of it but it launched during that time.
17:21:58 <sethsimmons> And the recent steady increase can easily be attributed to growing DNM adoption.
17:23:03 <hyc> a steady increase in acquisition should have a steady increase in price, no?
17:23:44 <binaryFate> if only the crypto market was rational
17:23:50 <sethsimmons> Not if it’s DNM adoption, as most there aren’t holding onto Monero but merely using it as a medium or exchange and quickly swapping back to Bitcoin/fiat
17:24:27 <binaryFate> I agree it should affect price, but this might lags behind, and only be few % of signal among a giant noise of speculation/hype/searching for the latest fad etc
17:24:34 <hyc> for usage to increase and price to remain flat would require 100% of exchanged XMR to be immediately resold again
17:25:05 <sethsimmons> I would argue most is, but not all, thus the steady rise from 0.0065-0.008 in that time
17:25:10 <sethsimmons> But hard to quantify
17:25:18 <hyc> indeed
17:25:26 <binaryFate> I can say with 100% certainty it is impossible that an entity has "poisoned" the chain with 10k tx per day in May 2019.
17:25:57 <sethsimmons> <binaryFate "I can say with 100% certainty it"> How so with 100% certainty? I agree on the overall point but curious how you can be that sure
17:26:06 <bemore> market prices typically don't have any reasonable relationships
17:26:07 <binaryFate> cause minko
17:26:08 <hyc> ah, you know minko's txn volume back then, right?
17:26:19 <sethsimmons> Ah true heh
17:26:27 <binaryFate> yeah I won't give any number but I know for sure that guy claim is impossible lol
17:26:40 <sethsimmons> Good to know 🙂
17:26:50 <niocbrrrrrr> also obvious if you look at tx charts
17:26:51 <binaryFate> not by a long shot
17:27:13 <binaryFate> I mean this is impossible by a very large margin
17:29:24 <sethsimmons> I never saw how post so wasn’t sure the content.
17:29:33 <sethsimmons> But thanks for chiming in with details!
17:29:57 <selsta> the post had quite bad advice
17:30:00 <selsta> https://snew.notabug.io/r/Monero/comments/ioa0fq/tutorial_how_to_bypass_ciphertrace_tracking/
17:30:15 <ErCiccione[m]> Discussing that reddit post is a waste of dev time.
17:32:26 <hyc> pathetic
17:32:43 <selsta> advising people to recompile and change the fake output distribution is dangerous advice
17:33:42 <hyc> that's ok, both steps are beyond the abilities of the majority of reddit readers
17:37:46 <sech1> 10k transactions would cost ~0.25 XMR in fees, not that much. I don't think anyone is actually doing it on mainnet though.
17:57:27 <fluffypony> yeah it's really bad advice
17:57:32 <fluffypony> makes you stick out like a sore thumb