01:47:34 <Isthmus> Can anybody extract the payment ID from an integrated address?
01:48:19 <Isthmus> Oh no, it's encrypted by the transaction shared secret, right?
01:48:33 <selsta> integrated address is easy to extract
01:49:23 <selsta> integrated_address <address>
01:49:55 <selsta> unless I misunderstand your question
01:50:21 <Isthmus> Wait, I'm not sure if I understand my question
01:50:34 <Isthmus> I'm trying to make senses of how CloakVPN works
01:50:49 <Isthmus> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bVRTF8iT/image.png
01:51:09 <Isthmus> It generates a random Payment ID to use as credentialss
01:51:36 <Isthmus> Then provides an integrated address
01:51:44 <selsta> yep
01:52:33 <selsta> it is not encrypted, it just requires you to not share your payment id
01:53:00 <Isthmus> If I send a transaction with that integrated address `4Bcu...h4bw`can an outside observer extract the payment ID `1570...8757`?
01:53:07 <selsta> no
01:56:07 <selsta> it is encrypted on chain, but if you share an integrated address everyone can extract the payment id
02:06:33 <Isthmus> Ah I see what you mean now
02:07:27 <Isthmus> So besides the small search space for credentials, this is theoretically secure with respect to outside blockchain observers