01:10:40 <geonic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnhfhc-yXGQ
01:20:17 <fluffynioc> :)
03:21:39 <usssser[m]> Hi guys. Does anyone have a few minutes to explain me how to purchase monero the quickest way? I am trying to search but it's quite confusing. Thanks
03:30:56 <fluffynioc> usssser[m]: the quickest is if you already have btc or other crypto
03:33:50 <fluffynioc> with cash there is kraken exchange where you need to open an account and give them your info, they are an excellent exchange
03:34:10 <fluffynioc> or there is localmonero which is p2p
03:34:36 <fluffynioc> again if you have btc there are many options
03:38:38 <geonic> usssser[m]: go on Coinbase, buy a shitcoin (litecoin works for this, bitcoin is slower and more expensive to move), open Cake wallet and find the exchange option from LTC (or whatever you used) to XMR. Send the LTC to the address you’re given and you’ll end up with XMR in your Cake wallet
03:39:28 <geonic> if you plan on purchasing larger amounts, Kraken is the way to go
03:40:12 <fluffynioc> geonic: thx, I never use phone wallets and forget how easy cake does this sort of thing
03:40:19 <geonic> but it’s a one-week process the first time
03:40:37 <usssser[m]> Oh. Thanks for your time.
03:41:18 <geonic> fluffynioc is right that’s assuming you use a phone lol
03:42:17 <geonic> you’re welcome
03:42:23 <usssser[m]> geonic:  so..... From the cake wallet with xmr I can transfer to any xmr wallet after?
03:43:18 <geonic> yes. Cake is non-custodial so you are in full control of the xmr. Make sure you write down your seed when setting up the wallet.. there’s no way to recover it if something happens to your phone
03:45:18 <fluffynioc> and after you write down the seed and put it in a secure location, write it down again and put it in another location
03:46:29 <gingeropolous> cake *is* custodial, you have custody of your keys. sooooo not a fan of how they've 1984'd this on us
03:46:41 <gingeropolous> self-custody
03:46:46 <gingeropolous> well i dunno what term is best really
03:47:17 <gingeropolous> non self-custody should be called third-party custody or something
03:47:29 <gingeropolous> sovereign wallet
03:47:51 <geonic> I like sovereign
03:48:55 <geonic> sticking to non-custodial though to avoid looking like a member of a cult
03:49:36 <gingeropolous> but you by using that you *are* a member of a cult
03:50:04 <fluffynioc> how to be a member of a cult but not look like it
03:50:15 <gingeropolous> succumbing to their doublespeak. by putting "non" in front of the thing you *should* be using, they are tricking your brain into thinking its bad
03:50:21 <gingeropolous> language is powerful
03:50:21 <geonic> yes but it’s the largest and dominant cult. I’m trying to get them to grasp fungibility first
03:50:35 <geonic> Sovereign wallets are next
03:50:35 <gingeropolous> ah shit my tinfoil fell out
03:50:52 <geonic> one battle at a time
03:51:30 <gingeropolous> maybe i should use twitter to twit out this nonsense
03:52:01 <geonic> custodial sounds bad to me.. like a custodian at a school that tells you what to do. so non-custodial has a positive ring to my ear
03:52:32 <gingeropolous> .define custodial
03:52:36 <gingeropolous> ?define custodial
03:52:37 <gingeropolous> .bot
03:52:38 <Wallet> gingeropolous: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
03:52:38 <Wallet> gingeropolous: ≈$2483.9267 • ≈ value of: 1 BOT • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
03:52:53 <gingeropolous> .w custodial
03:53:00 <gingeropolous> fine i'll use a damn browser
03:53:18 <geonic> argh
03:53:31 <fluffynioc> monerobux is not here
03:54:09 <gingeropolous> "A custodial service is when an entity or individual holds a client's property or money on their behalf. The custodian is responsible for the safety of the financial products."
03:54:20 <gingeropolous> well .... i guess ... bah
03:54:45 <gingeropolous> guess i gotta find another windmill
03:55:11 <geonic> fungibility is a good one
03:55:31 <gingeropolous> yep
03:56:18 <geonic> yay this channel has more users than -dev again
03:56:32 <geonic> the kicked ones have returned
03:56:52 <gingeropolous> "
03:56:52 <gingeropolous> Definition of custodial
03:56:52 <gingeropolous> 1a : relating to guardianship
03:56:52 <gingeropolous> "
04:56:18 <theorem> alright
04:56:27 <theorem> so, I ran out of disk space during a startup sync
05:10:07 <lza_menace> whatup Fyse
05:28:51 <gingeropolous> theorem, try resynchronizing with pruning enabled
05:28:58 <gingeropolous> you gotta start from scratch unfortunately
05:37:11 <theorem> ok
05:37:13 <theorem> :(
05:52:39 <fluffypony> apotheon: fixed
05:54:02 <fluffynioc> fluffypony: thx
05:58:20 <fluffypony> np
05:59:27 <echelon> is there a torrent of the monero blockchain?
06:05:51 <fehho[m]> There's a centralized download.
06:08:44 <echelon> is it preferable over downloading from peers?
06:09:43 <ndorf> no.
06:10:05 <echelon> reasons?
06:10:22 <ndorf> it's much faster to sync from multiple peers at once, than from one central server.
06:10:33 <echelon> ok, thanks
06:10:44 <ndorf> on top of that, the blocks will be verified as they come in, instead of separately after the download
06:12:19 <echelon> gotcha
06:12:46 <ndorf> the only reason i can think of to download a blockchain vs. syncing is if the p2p network is too weak to support it. that is not the case with monero
06:13:27 <ndorf> (too weak, meaning not enough fast peers)
06:22:25 <apotheon> fluffypony: cool, thanks
06:22:29 <fluffypony> np
06:37:45 <echelon> does the zeromq rpc port need to be exposed publicly?
06:37:57 <ndorf> no
06:38:05 <echelon> what's it for anyway
06:38:52 <ndorf> it's an alternative to the standard HTTP RPC API, with some extra features
06:39:10 <echelon> ok, so it's ok to expose publicly?
06:39:12 <ndorf> AFAIK, nothing in the standard distribution uses it
06:39:25 <echelon> hmm
06:40:00 <ndorf> no, and the standard HTTP RPC port (18081) shouldn't be exposed publicly either
06:40:22 <ndorf> if you want public RPC you should enable the *restricted* RPC, and expose that instead
06:40:39 <echelon> oh ok, i was mistaking http rpc with 18089 rpc port
06:41:24 <ndorf> to be clear, restricted RPC is just like the normal HTTP RPC, but some commands are disabled
06:41:37 <ndorf> and some information is omitted from responses as well
06:42:03 <ndorf> specifically so you can expose it to the public (if you so choose). otherwise anyone could shut down your node, delete blocks, etc
06:42:15 <ndorf> hence why it only listens on 127.0.0.1 by default
06:43:05 <echelon> thanks
06:48:27 <ndorf> just to clarify one more thing, you only expose the RPC (restricted RPC, of course) if you want to serve as a remote node for wallets without their own node
06:49:37 <ndorf> if you just want to accept incoming p2p connections, that's port 18080
07:01:58 <DisBotXMR> <Yukie> is there anything cheaper than localmonero.co?
07:05:17 <fluffynioc> kraken
07:06:27 <DisBotXMR> <Yukie> kraken needs kyc
07:07:11 <DisBotXMR> <Yukie> and it doesnt have monero
07:07:24 <fluffynioc> kraken has monero
07:07:54 <DisBotXMR> <Yukie> only in america?
07:08:09 <fluffynioc> for other non kyc you need btc or other crypto already
07:08:47 <fluffynioc> AIUI kraken has monero everywhere they serve
07:09:11 <fluffynioc> wait
07:09:23 <fluffynioc> I think not Australia
07:10:43 <echelon> ndorf: how do i query monerod for the status of the sync?
07:10:47 <DisBotXMR> <Yukie> i need to get monero without kyc at normal price
07:11:23 <ndorf> echelon: if you're running it interactively, type the 'status' command. if not, run 'monerod status'
07:11:36 <echelon> oh, cool
07:11:43 <ndorf> echelon: or if you are more of a DIY type, try curl http://localhost:18081/get_info :)
07:12:07 <echelon> awesome
07:13:14 <fluffynioc> Yukie kyc monero is like taking cash from an ATM, it is known that you got the cash but that's where the trail ends
07:13:20 <echelon> 401 unauthorized access.. :/
07:13:46 <echelon> i passed --rpc-login myusername:pass
07:14:00 <fluffynioc> other than that you are asking for extra service for the same price
07:14:43 <ndorf> hm
07:14:54 <ndorf> did you try passing the same thing for status? i.e.: monerod --rpc-login what:ever status
07:14:58 <ndorf> if that doesn't work, sounds like a bug
07:15:09 <DisBotXMR> <Yukie> The problem is I can't find any exchange that sells monero in australia
07:15:28 <echelon> oh.. i passed --rpc-login foo:bar when starting the daemon
07:15:58 <fluffynioc> yukie imma in NY and have the same issue
07:16:09 <DisBotXMR> <Yukie> oh rip
07:16:11 <fluffynioc> if you get btc then you can get monero
07:16:41 <ndorf> echelon: right, so you would need every request to authenticate with that same user/pass. hopefully, passing the same flag when running 'monerod status' would do it
07:17:29 <fluffynioc> anyway it's past 2am here, time for sleep
07:17:39 <echelon> ok, it's taking a while.. but when i tried curl -u foo:bar http://localhost:18081/get_info, that's when i got the 401 as well.. is it not using http basic auth?
07:17:47 <ndorf> night nioc
07:18:19 <fluffynioc> :)
07:20:59 <echelon> Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081
07:21:01 <ndorf> i would expect it to use http basic, but i don't really know -- never used the rpc-login feature myself
07:22:53 <echelon> uh.. i think it quit
07:23:02 <ndorf> i just tried it, and `monerod --rpc-login foo:bar status` works for me
07:23:07 <ndorf> curl -u does not, however
07:24:29 <echelon> probably wants it in json or something
07:24:58 <echelon> anyway, how do i launch it in interactive mode.. just don't use --detach?
07:25:33 <ndorf> yeah, it's interactive by default. you might want to run it in tmux if you do that
07:25:46 <ndorf> or screen if you prefer that
07:25:48 <echelon> yup, that's what i was gonna do :)
07:26:30 <echelon> didn't find the reason for it quitting in bitmonero.log
07:26:52 <ndorf> that's weird
07:26:57 <ndorf> were there at least messages indicating a clean shutdown?
07:27:03 <echelon> no
07:28:03 <ndorf> that's even weirder, anything interesting in dmesg?
07:28:31 <echelon> nope
07:28:38 <echelon> maybe i need ulimit -d 2000000
07:28:47 <echelon> i needed it when compiling the binaries
07:29:27 <ndorf> could be something like that if your default is low, but i'd expect to see a dmesg message about it if it was killed due to that
07:30:53 <echelon> so is there no prompt in interactive mode?
07:31:45 <ndorf> not sure about that, been a while since i've used it. it's possible there isn't
07:32:12 <echelon> well, at least monerod status works now
07:33:39 <ndorf> there is also `sync_info` if you want a lot more details (including dl speed and every peer)
07:38:07 <echelon> cool
08:35:55 <wolfkeeper[m]> Morning all, please can you advise what I would need to GPU mine monero. I'm trying to weigh up options of CPU vs. GPU mining. Thanks.
08:43:51 <fehho[m]> The best answer to that question is you can't.
08:45:23 <wolfkeeper[m]> <fehho[m] "The best answer to that question"> Hi, so one can't GPU mine?
08:47:05 <moneromooo> One can. It's just less efficient than on CPU.
08:51:07 <wolfkeeper[m]> <moneromooo "One can. It's just less efficien"> Thanks.
10:07:24 <Inge-> wolfkeeper[m]: it is on the order that a 140w Vega64 GPU yields 1200-1500 H/s, while a 140-170w AMD 3900x cpu yields 15000 H/s
10:40:38 <charolastra> mine only does ~13kH/s :(
10:45:20 <usssser[m]> So at 13kh/s how many xmr it's possible to  mine monthly .
10:50:18 <charolastra> i think ~0.4
10:50:53 <charolastra> don't get how anyone can mine XMR with a profit
10:53:14 <ry`an> easy
10:53:29 <ry`an> step 1) hack computers
10:53:33 <ry`an> step 2) mine monero
10:54:36 <kayront> step 3) leverage monero
10:55:05 <kayront> if you're gonna be a baller, might as well be a leveraged baller
14:22:31 <Inge-> usssser[m]: < monerobux> At 13000 h/s with network diff of 2.76e+11 and block reward 1.13 you can expect 0.0046 XMR per day.
14:26:38 <DisBotXMR> <TrooperZ> you can mine ethereum and exchange it for xmr
14:26:40 <DisBotXMR> <TrooperZ> on a gpu
14:26:58 <DisBotXMR> <TrooperZ> and then theres also this pool moneroocean where you mine eth directly and get paid in xmr
14:32:28 <DisBotXMR> <TrooperZ> also in terms of cpu mining, you're right its not profitable, unless you have free electricity or super cheap sources
14:32:53 <DisBotXMR> <TrooperZ> of course, you can also tweak the cpu clock speed and voltage to try to reduce your wattage
14:33:06 <DisBotXMR> <TrooperZ> i've halved my cpu wattage but only lost about 150-200 h/s
15:08:23 <pixelized[m]> oi lads
15:08:34 <pixelized[m]> i have a question to which i think i know the answer already, but i'd like to hear some opinions
15:08:59 <pixelized[m]> i've got my private key/mnemonic seed stored in my password manager
15:09:15 <pixelized[m]> do you guys reckon that's a bad idea?
15:09:30 <pixelized[m]> now, i do have to add, it's not some centralized service, it's the pass password manager
15:09:33 <pixelized[m]> so it's all self-owned
15:11:26 <gingeropolous> pixelized[m], i've never understood the benefit of storing the seed on something digital that is in active use
15:11:53 <DisBotXMR> <FollowTheBlackRabbit> I agree, if its in digital form its not ideal
15:11:53 <gingeropolous> the word seeds were made so that you can write it down easily and store it in meatspace where hackers can't get yah
15:12:18 <pixelized[m]> yeah
15:12:39 <pixelized[m]> the reason to put it in the pass database has mostly been that it's a convenient way to provide redundancy
15:13:05 <pixelized[m]> since it's immediately in a couple of separate locations, encrypted
15:13:33 <pixelized[m]> i also use it for my ssh keys, though there are more advantages in that case
15:13:54 <DisBotXMR> <FollowTheBlackRabbit> it all comes down to your risk tolerance really
15:13:59 <pixelized[m]> one-time setup for some convenience and ease
15:14:22 <DisBotXMR> <FollowTheBlackRabbit> how much money is it? how secure is the machine? is it always running? - questions to consider
15:15:03 <pixelized[m]> yeah
15:15:44 <pixelized[m]> i honestly think it's alright in this case, it's not a lot of money and i'm pretty sure i don't have many security leaks
15:16:40 <pixelized[m]> the peace of mind of knowing that it's basically impossible for me to lose it this way triumphs over most security concerns in this context
15:16:45 <pixelized[m]> thanks for the input :)
15:17:00 <DisBotXMR> <FollowTheBlackRabbit> yup 🙂
15:20:56 <iTzNavic> Is it supposed to give me a warning? https://ttm.sh/2Nd.txt
15:22:44 <moneromooo> Did you tell gpg to trust this key ?
15:22:48 <iTzNavic> also do stealth addresses work multiple times or only once?
15:22:52 <iTzNavic> moneromooo: I think so
15:22:58 <gingeropolous> iTzNavic, https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-allos-advanced.html
15:23:01 <moneromooo> Then it should not have warned.
15:23:28 <iTzNavic> https://0x0.st/-K7l.txt
15:23:31 <gingeropolous> looks like the warning is shown on the example
15:23:43 <gingeropolous> iTzNavic, stealth addresses work multiple times.
15:24:01 <gingeropolous> apparently the proper way to refer to it is "stealth addressing"
15:24:28 <gingeropolous> or thats what ive seen knowledgable ppl write
15:24:34 <gingeropolous> or type
15:25:35 <iTzNavic> Well if it's the same as you get then I guess it's fine
15:43:31 <WillSellBodyForX> I remember a thing saying there was a monero chat on wednesdays at 10:00, on what platform does that take place/ can I get a link?
15:43:40 <WillSellBodyForX> 10 Central time that is
16:14:38 <Mochi101> SerHack, you have a second for a PM?
16:37:32 <Mochi101> SerHack, it's...mmm... something pretty important about MoneroIntegrations WP plugin... let me know when you're around and we can discuss it.
16:38:19 <Mochi101> I'm almost always here... So just ping me. Probably a really easy fix but I just want to pass it by you before I edit the source.
16:38:23 <moneromooo> You might need to be identified for PMs to be allowed.
16:38:40 <Mochi101> I am :)
16:38:44 <Mochi101> thanks moneromooo
16:54:48 <strike> .faucet
16:54:48 <Wallet> strike: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?
16:55:23 <strike> .faucet
16:55:23 <Wallet> strike: Of 3 or 9, ​which is 3
16:55:30 <strike> 3
16:55:30 <Wallet> strike: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000008 XMR to strike [add88c1c] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0122908
16:55:37 <strike> .bal
16:55:37 <Wallet> strike: 0.0018274 XMR
16:55:48 <strike> .val 0.0018274 xmr usd
16:55:48 <Wallet> strike: ≈$0.3969 • ≈ value of: 0.0018274 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
16:55:54 <strike> >69
17:21:30 <Mochi101> Anyways SerHack, I made a PR.
17:50:46 <echelon> does sync with monero blockchain take about 2 days?
17:50:58 <echelon> i left mine running last night.. 1 guess maybe 1 day?
17:51:31 <echelon> i'm on an i7 8-core with 8gb ram dedicated to the guest vm that it's running on
17:51:53 <marmulak> mine took about two years
17:51:58 <Mochi101> echelon, it can take awhile yeah
17:52:15 <binaryFate> depends on your configuration. I sync in ~5-6h on an i5 laptop with 15GB  ram.
17:52:20 <echelon> well, nowhere as long as bitcoin sync
17:52:25 <Mochi101> I always think mine is sinced, but then every two minutes a new block comes in.
17:52:34 <Mochi101> synced even
17:53:11 <Mochi101> echelon, did you ever try and sync ETH?
17:53:20 <echelon> nah, not interested
17:53:25 <echelon> why
17:53:35 <Mochi101> Maybe the universe ends before it finishes.
17:56:22 <strike> ETH is too computationally expensive to sync the blockchain on most consumer hardware
17:56:27 <moneromooo> Mine took about 6 years so far.
17:56:37 <moneromooo> And it's still getting blocks.
17:56:45 <strike> lol
17:56:59 <strike> mine took ~14 days to get up to speed (over tor, no less)
17:59:27 <ndorf> monero syncs in about 3 hours with fast internet and SSD. more like 3 days with HDD
18:08:09 <Mochi101> 3 hours?
18:08:34 <ndorf> that's my experience
18:08:45 <selsta> we did not have a new release in ~2 months so probably takes a bit longer now
18:10:29 <WillSellBodyForX> There's a monero chat wednesday, but I cannot find the link, any of you guys happen to know what I'm talking about?
18:11:19 <dEBRUYNE> Research lab meeting perhaps?
18:11:26 <dEBRUYNE> Swap meeting also takes place on Wednesday afaik
18:13:29 <WillSellBodyForX> could I get links to both or either please?
18:14:00 <WillSellBodyForX> I think it may be the swap meeting but I'm not sure, do you mean atomic swaps?
18:20:04 <moneromooo> Yes. 4pm IIRC.
18:20:14 <moneromooo> in #monero-swap
18:20:26 <moneromooo> MRL in #monero-research-lab, 5pm.
18:29:00 <WillSellBodyForX> is that central time or a different time?
18:31:11 <sethsimmons> https://nitter.weaponizedhumiliation.com/Marty_P_B/status/1366737347887456260#m
18:32:15 <sethsimmons> More proof app-layer tools do not grant fungibility, but merely privacy.
18:33:39 <moneromooo> GMT.
18:50:37 <jonan> hey guys, just been trying to get started with mining monero using xmr-stak and f2pool. im running into some issues with i suppose some configuration that prevents me from getting up and running. if anyone has a similar setup i'd appreciate if you could field some questions for me!
18:52:05 <selsta> jonan: try xmrig
18:52:26 <selsta> also ask in #monero-pools
18:52:54 <moneromooo> xmr-stack is made by some less than honest person, I'd be very wary of it.
18:56:22 <jonan> oh thanks guys, i'll ask in monero-pool for this particular one since i think it's just about hooking up my monero wallet incorrectly. i got a weird tone from reading the github over by xmr-stack but don't know much about what's going on behind the scenes for xmr-stack
19:42:12 <DisBotXMR> <Save___G> Hi I have moved the blockchain to another drive because I don´t have enough space on my ssd and now it says Syncing since a few hours without any progress even though I moved 30gb of the blockchain to the new directory does anyone know what´s wrong there?
19:54:13 <selsta> which program are you using?
19:54:17 <selsta> monerod or gui?
19:54:30 <pixelized[m]> the gui also uses monerod, no?
19:55:08 <proteeks[m]> Is it okay to use monero-gui available in Linux distribution repos. Like arch linux provides it. Or is it advisable to compile from source. Lots of dependencies to take care to compile on your own so was wondering.
20:03:21 <gingeropolous> proteeks[m], it depends on how well the repo is maintained i think. i dunno how up to date arch is
20:03:43 <gingeropolous> yeah lots of deps, but the readme has some good copypasta
20:07:43 <DisBotXMR> <Save___G> gui
20:08:06 <selsta> did you set the blockchain path inside settings -> node?
20:08:56 <DisBotXMR> <Save___G> yes I moved it from a C directory to a D directory and named the folder inside it lmbd
20:09:04 <DisBotXMR> <Save___G> then I copy pasted the 30gb file
20:09:14 <DisBotXMR> <Save___G> and delteted it on the C directory
20:09:23 <ndorf> lmbd? or lmdb?
20:09:37 <DisBotXMR> <Save___G> lmdb
20:09:47 <DisBotXMR> <Save___G> oh rip
20:10:06 <DisBotXMR> <Save___G> oh nvm bad grammar xD
20:13:55 <DisBotXMR> <Save___G> like this and I selected the moneroblockchain folder as the Blockchain location
20:13:56 <DisBotXMR> <Save___G> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/816402964725104690/unknown.png
20:18:07 <WillSellBodyForX> so I'm not 100% sure, but you may have to specify the exact data file where the blockchain lives ( I could be dead wrong)
20:24:03 <selsta> moneroblockchain should be fine
20:24:21 <selsta> can you go to settings -> log, type "status" into the textbox and post the output here
20:37:39 <DisBotXMR> <Save___G> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/816408939214012496/unknown.png
20:37:43 <DisBotXMR> <Save___G> sry for late reply
20:40:24 <DisBotXMR> <Save___G> is that good or bad I can´t really tell it says 64% but not showing anything on the progress bars, besides the daemon bars remaining that´s like 1% orange since a few hours
20:41:55 <selsta> ok wait 10 minutes, enter status again and check if your current block height increased
20:42:37 <selsta> you might also want to try to add --enable-dns-blocklist to Settings -> Node daemon startup flags
20:47:58 <DisBotXMR> <Fyse> hm would it be a good idea to sell monero on ebay
21:05:23 <charolastra> Fyse: don't think that ebay will like that
21:05:35 <DisBotXMR> <Fyse> understandabpe
21:05:40 <DisBotXMR> <Fyse> understandable
21:05:47 <DisBotXMR> <Fyse> although I've seen people selling doge
21:06:23 <ndorf> personally, i wouldn't want to be in the position of proving to ebay or paypal that i sent the monero. why bother with that, when localmonero exists?
21:06:49 <DisBotXMR> <Fyse> ridiculous markups
21:07:05 <charolastra> still? afaik they wrote it in their usage agreement that you can't do cryptocurrency trades after people fucked around with bitcoin/doge
21:07:22 <ndorf> what markups?
21:08:07 <DisBotXMR> <Fyse> people are selling doge for 4x the price
21:08:14 <ndorf> oh, on ebay?
21:08:30 <DisBotXMR> <Fyse> yeah
21:08:44 <DisBotXMR> <Fyse> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353393322613
21:08:52 <DisBotXMR> <Fyse> 62 sold
21:09:21 <ndorf> "talked about by elon musk" lol
21:09:35 <ndorf> literally the only selling point
21:10:59 <moneromooo> Weird. Payload to orbit prices went down a lot since he started talking about it....
21:11:13 <ndorf> hahaha
21:11:23 <ndorf> nice one
21:15:59 <fibonacci> https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMe6fwYgE/
21:17:54 <echelon> ndorf: idgi.. within a 7hr period, the sync went from 7.3% to 53.4%.. and then after another 7hrs, it only moved from 53.4% to 54.8%
21:19:34 <fibonacci> The "Blocks" are talking to each other
21:19:53 <ndorf> echelon: early blocks are mostly empty.
21:19:53 <echelon> Synced 1267964/2308446 (54%, 1040482 left, 3% of total synced, estimated 9.1 days left)
21:20:00 <echelon> oh..
21:20:13 <echelon> looks like it's moving again
21:20:23 <ndorf> echelon: SSD or HDD?
21:20:27 <echelon> hdd
21:20:40 <ndorf> SSD is strongly recommended if possible
21:20:58 <ndorf> not only syncing blocks, but also syncing your wallet and constructing transactions will be much slower with HDD
21:21:17 <echelon> hrm, ok :/
21:21:34 <ndorf> i mean, everything will still work with the HDD, just be a lot slower
21:22:18 <echelon> used space is only 12G :/
21:22:28 <echelon> ok, i'm turning it off
21:34:55 <echelon> ndorf: i'm guessing sata is preferable over usb 3.0
21:55:49 <WillSellBodyForX> Why can't we download the blockchain a lot faster? like if I wanted to download something that's 90 gb on pirate bay it goes relatively quickly (for 90 gb at least). Someone once said something like it has to be verified block by block, but can't that be done after download?
22:00:31 <ndorf> echelon: preferable? probably. but USB 3 should work more than well enough, i'd think
22:00:55 <ndorf> the key is random access times. FWIW i run a full node off a microSD card (a good one) and it works great.
22:01:39 <echelon> WillSellBodyForX: verification of blocks is slower than bitcoin blockchain because of the way ring works
22:01:41 <ndorf> not quite as good as nvme ssd, but incomparably better than hdd
22:02:35 <echelon> WillSellBodyForX: it needs to go back to cross-reference with old blocks, which needs quick read access time as ndorf explained
22:40:27 <ndorf> verifying after downloading would be much slower, anyway
22:40:44 <ndorf> since newer blocks can be downloaded *while* already-downloaded blocks are being verified
22:42:45 <moneromooo> You can, by setting --block-download-max-size
22:42:58 <moneromooo> (if you have the RAM, it's not written to disk)
22:44:36 <echelon> how much do 1tb ssd's go for nowadays anyway?
22:44:51 <angrymonkeyboi[m> check on newegg
22:46:09 <ndorf> 1tb 970 evo nvme is <$140 on amazon
22:47:02 <moneromooo> We really need an anonymous remailing service for stuff like that, so I can pay with monero and not have them get my address. MixPoster or something.
22:47:28 <moneromooo> The big problem will be fees vs trust.
22:47:42 <echelon> i've thought about a blockchain-backed delivery service
22:47:57 <moneromooo> I meant physical delivery.
22:48:02 <echelon> i know
22:48:23 <echelon> the purpose would be so an intermediary deliverer doesn't know where the parcel is actually intended for
22:48:37 <moneromooo> Sorry, I thought you said blockchain for a moment.
22:48:44 <echelon> i did
22:50:01 <ndorf> the remailer would still need your address, however
22:50:24 <echelon> each node in the delivery path would have an address
22:50:37 <ndorf> and i'd guess no one would be willing to send/forward a package without knowing what's in it
22:50:40 <moneromooo> Tor style. Only he last hop does.
22:50:45 <echelon> right
22:51:32 <echelon> and the last hop wouldn't even know if there were any additional delivery points
22:51:38 <moneromooo> So much trouble just because the world is set to max creep mode... pffff.
22:52:04 <ndorf> seems pretty straightforward to just go to a computer store and buy it with cash.
22:52:13 <ndorf> (or monero of course, lol)
22:52:41 <ndorf> do it while covid is still a thing so you can hide your face :)
22:52:46 * moneromooo guessing you live in a large city
22:53:13 <ndorf> medium-sized at best, but yeah
22:54:14 <echelon> ndorf: the austin bomber got caught even though he wore a wig and baseball cap because he purchased his bomb parts from home depot, and parked his car in their parking lot
22:54:27 <ndorf> even if i didn't, i could see myself being willing to travel to one occasionally to make anonymous purchases
22:54:54 <ndorf> shit, there was a bomb in austin? maybe i should start reading the news
22:55:06 <echelon> that was a few years back
22:55:10 <ndorf> ah
22:55:52 <echelon> and the next time he went into a shipping facility and had parked his car like 3 blocks away, so the guy at the register was suspicious
22:57:49 <ndorf> presumably "i'm a suspect in a terrorism investigation" calls for a different threat model than "i want to buy stuff without the retailer knowing where i live"
22:59:40 <echelon> opsec shouldn't be the same?
23:00:24 <ndorf> i'm not sure, but i don't think so? is there a straightforward legal way for the retailer to link your license plate to your home address without law enforcement being involved?
23:00:36 <apotheon> For no address knowledge in the chain, use a systematic dead drop network.
23:00:41 <ndorf> assuming no, it might be reasonable to drive your own car to the store in one case, but extremely stupid in the other
23:01:04 <moneromooo> You're kidding, right ? The data gets sold, and there are various companies slurping data from everywhere and selling the resulting aggregated data.
23:01:34 <moneromooo> It's not really the retailer that's the main danger, it's just one of millions of enablers.
23:02:26 <moneromooo> It's like the stasi. Half the population spies on you, but they're not the real danger, the stasi was the danger, the poor sods were just tools.
23:02:46 <moneromooo> Well, they're a danger alright, but not the "root" danger if you see what I mean.
23:02:55 <apotheon> yeah, clearly
23:03:25 <echelon> ndorf: there are networks of repo men that now have cameras on their vehicles that scan all license plates that they come across and upload them to the cloud, so you have a geographic point attributed to each license plate.. this data is sold to public/private organizations.
23:03:43 <apotheon> awful
23:04:04 <moneromooo> Shitfucks like credit agencies (experian, equifax, that kind of buttholes), stuff like choicepoint.
23:05:23 <moneromooo> You're not a customer of these spies. They just get your data from others. But they rat on you anyway.
23:06:59 <moneromooo> And btw in the US it's an end run around the fourth amendment, due to the third party doctrine which is a completely antiquated argument that maybe was appropriate in the past but is not fit for purpose nowadays.
23:07:18 <iTzNavic> Do any stores even accept crypto irl? I think it's all online, sadly thay also have facial recgonition so it doesn't help alot but still
23:07:28 <ndorf> yes, the third party doctrine is complete bullshit
23:09:38 <ndorf> i've seen random stores accepting bitcoin since as far back as 2013, don't think i've ever seen monero accepted IRL except at e.g. defcon
23:14:05 <apotheon> moneromooo: emphasis on "maybe"
23:14:13 <knowledgewizard[> they need to just legislate privacy in public spaces
23:14:21 <knowledgewizard[> its way past time we had sane privacy laws
23:14:42 <ndorf> sadly, your privacy is not in the interest of anyone in the position to write laws
23:15:02 <knowledgewizard[> if a chick is breastfeeding an infant in the corner of a park because she needs to get it done, you dont go hang out with her, that's sexual harassment - this is the same issue
23:17:14 <apotheon> I'm increasingly of the opinion that for any evidence-gathering that doesn't consist of going through physical objects in non-private meatspace, government should have strong evidence of need to pursue the matter to get a warrant before gathering evidence.  The result of failing to meet those standards should be both the disallowance of the evidence or any chain of investigation built upon it
23:17:20 <apotheon> *and* automatic filing of charges for all people involved in the steps leading up to the gathering of that evidence where the person was not the victim of a lie.
23:17:32 <apotheon> I'd drop the "disallowance of the evidence" part in a saner world, but the way the world is now it's needed.
23:18:41 <apotheon> e.g. placing traffic cameras at an intersection does not mean you can use the footage in a court of law unless you have evidence to present in pursuit of a warrant that shows a direct, personal reason for suspicion and investigation of someone who might've committed a crime (like supposedly running a red light)
23:19:34 <apotheon> In that particular case, the possibility of that evidence being combined with other evidence in a database to give rise to suspicion of an unrelated crime is sufficient potential violation of privacy to disallow it.
23:20:11 <apotheon> Of course, a more achievable outcome than getting *that* kind of law enacted is to just remove all laws against money laundering.
23:20:26 <MoneroHelp> is this the right place to ask for monero-related help?
23:20:26 <apotheon> (in the narrow case of trying to get shit out of the way of using Monero, for instance)
23:20:33 <apotheon> I hope so.
23:20:34 <moneromooo> Yes.
23:20:41 <apotheon> whew
23:21:09 <apotheon> MoneroHelp: Do you have a question?
23:21:09 <MoneroHelp> I would give 200usd in xmr who can help me out
23:21:11 <apotheon> ah
23:21:14 <MoneroHelp> I have problem with JSON-RPC on monerod
23:21:22 <MoneroHelp> On query $monero->transfer($receive_amount,$receive_address);
23:21:30 <ndorf> MoneroHelp: you can usually expect to get help for free around here.
23:21:33 <MoneroHelp>     "code": -32600,
23:21:33 <MoneroHelp>     "message": "Invalid Request"
23:21:47 <MoneroHelp> but transfer is sent
23:21:52 <MoneroHelp> I am just getting wrong value back
23:21:56 <MoneroHelp> inspecting traffic
23:22:07 <MoneroHelp> between monerod and php server
23:22:08 <MoneroHelp> I see
23:22:10 <moneromooo> Are you sending to many people at a time ?
23:22:17 <MoneroHelp> double query, double response
23:22:25 <MoneroHelp> No, single transfer
23:22:40 <moneromooo> Run with --log-level 2, post the wallet logs.
23:22:55 <moneromooo> They'll have private info though, that's a problem ?
23:23:14 <MoneroHelp> it would be a little
23:23:19 <MoneroHelp> what's the issue beside address?
23:23:29 <moneromooo> I don't know yet, thus the logs.
23:24:40 <MoneroHelp> Host: v3.onion:5242
23:24:40 <MoneroHelp> Accept: */*
23:24:40 <MoneroHelp> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
23:24:40 <MoneroHelp> Content-type: application/json
23:24:40 <MoneroHelp> Content-Length: 0
23:24:40 <MoneroHelp> POST /json_rpc HTTP/1.1
23:24:40 <MoneroHelp> Host: v3.onion:5242
23:24:41 <MoneroHelp> Accept: */*
23:24:41 <MoneroHelp> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
23:24:42 <MoneroHelp> Content-type: application/json
23:24:42 <MoneroHelp> Content-Length: 314
23:24:43 <MoneroHelp> {"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"transfer","params":{"destinations":[{"amount":80000800000,"address":"VALIDADDRESS"}],"mixin":10,"get_tx_key":true,"payment_id":"","account_index":0,"subaddr_indices":"","priority":2,"do_not_relay":false}}
23:24:47 <MoneroHelp> sniffer
23:24:54 <MoneroHelp> sees 2 requests
23:25:15 <moneromooo> Use a paste site like paste.debian.net for more long pastes.
23:25:29 <moneromooo> The interest part is the wallet logs, monero-wallet-rpc.log
23:26:00 <moneromooo> If you're OK sharing it with me, you can GPG encrypt it with my key (utils/gpg_keys/moneromooo.asc in the monero tree).
23:26:15 <MoneroHelp> ok, uploading
23:26:33 <moneromooo> Level 2 please.
23:26:57 <MoneroHelp> i've put level 4?
23:27:07 <MoneroHelp> so it's level 2?
23:27:07 <moneromooo> 4 works, it includes 2.
23:27:14 <MoneroHelp> ok 4 it is
23:40:17 <MoneroHelp> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/95ebb98e/
23:40:36 <MoneroHelp> tnx in advance bro
23:40:45 <MoneroHelp> no specific error in logfile
23:41:12 <MoneroHelp> but as said in sniffer I see two requests, let me upload that part too
23:43:21 <MoneroHelp> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fcab7d4a/
23:43:59 <MoneroHelp> using code from https://github.com/monero-integrations/monerophp
23:44:05 <MoneroHelp> patched to work with v3 onion service
23:45:44 <moneromooo> Indeed, everything seems to be going well here. Very odd.
23:48:02 <moneromooo> Wait. You're sending a 0 byte request ?
23:48:16 <moneromooo> Port 6235 is the daemon here ?
23:48:18 <MoneroHelp> I am not, but it's showing in network traffic
23:48:48 <moneromooo> No, must be hte wallet, since transfer on the same port later...
23:49:05 <moneromooo> Looks like it's the monerophp software if it's not you.
23:49:25 <moneromooo> But the transfer looks all fine as you said.
23:49:27 <MoneroHelp> 6235 is tor onion port but point to
23:49:33 <MoneroHelp> monero-rpc port
23:49:42 <MoneroHelp> thing is I hadn't modified monero php software
23:49:44 <MoneroHelp> much
23:50:02 <moneromooo> SerHack: does monerophp send 0 byte requests to monero-wallet-rpc in some cases ?
23:50:07 <moneromooo> lol
23:50:14 <moneromooo> I like hte "much" as an afterthought.
23:51:42 <apotheon> I wonder whether MoneroHelp is getting a bad feeling about the "didn't [. . .] much" now.