00:03:17 <strike> apotheon: ?
00:05:00 <moneromooo> Good nick, ErisDiscordia[m]
00:07:19 <apotheon> strike: What?
00:07:46 <apotheon> s/didn't/hadn't/ by the way
00:08:03 <apotheon> ErisDiscordia[m]: I agree with moneromooo: that's a decent nick.
00:42:16 <maquinisto> Anyone here using xmrig that can explain to me what "CPU affinity" means?
00:42:56 <moneromooo> It's the binding of a process to a particular CPU.
00:43:29 <moneromooo> Normally the OS can move a task's execution from CPU to CPU, for load balancing and the like.
00:44:56 <maquinisto> Hmm... OK, so a setting of -1 would mean the thread won't leave that CPU?
00:45:57 <moneromooo> I dunno how xmrig works with it, I just know the concept. Someone else will have to explain the xmrig parameters :)
00:46:19 <maquinisto> Docs say -1 is no affinity.
00:46:41 <moneromooo> No affinity means the OS is free to move it around if it wants/needs to.
00:48:26 <maquinisto> I see. I guess that explain all four of my CPU cores are at 100% but I'm still able to use other apps without them getting all slow and laggy.
00:49:17 <maquinisto> Would max affinity boost my hashrate?
00:51:21 <ndorf> one way to find out
00:51:44 <maquinisto> I guess so :)
00:54:10 <ndorf> :)
00:57:41 <ndorf> oh, i missed that you were already using all of your cores. in that case i'd guess probably not
00:58:10 <ndorf> but it should be easy enough to try it, anyway
01:42:58 <maquinisto> https://xmrig.com/docs/miner/config/cpu
01:43:25 <maquinisto> docs aren't clear on what the possible values for affinity are. Guess I'm just gonna put numbers in and see what happens.
01:49:21 <proteeks[m]> <gingeropolous "proteeks, it depends on how well"> Okay let me give the compilation a shot first.
01:51:33 <ndorf> maquinisto: it's a bitmask expressed as a hexadecimal string
01:52:35 <ndorf> e.g. "0x1" for "only the first core," "0x2" for "only the second core", "0x3" for "first or second core" and so on
01:53:46 <maquinisto> ndorf, I know some of those words :)
01:54:29 <maquinisto> Well, setting every affinity value to -1 bumped my hashrate up by 100 H/s so, I'm happy with that.
01:55:04 <ndorf> are you sure that you see a long term 100h/s improvement?
01:55:14 <ndorf> for me i always see a higher hashrate in the first minute or two of mining
01:55:24 <ndorf> i think it's because turbo boost or whatever is active then
01:56:45 <maquinisto> It's only been going for 10 minutes now but so far it's consistently higher than before.
01:56:57 <ndorf> nice
03:14:57 <WillSellBodyForX> So I've never done html dev before, is it trivial to make variables local like at https://moneroaddress.org/ ?
03:45:14 <angrymonkeyboi[m> <WillSellBodyForX "So I've never done html dev befo"> not sure what you mean by "make variables local"
03:45:45 <angrymonkeyboi[m> Everything is done with javascript, which is included in the HTML, so it doesn't need to talk to a server. All you need is a browser to run it
04:26:57 <WillSellBody4Xmr> I posted something in monero jobs, I'll pay 1 XMR for someone to build a website with some simple functionality, it requires some familiarity with the representations of the private spend key, but should be relatively easy:
04:26:57 <WillSellBody4Xmr> https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/comments/lwl3rj/pays_1_xmr_id_like_a_website_made_you_will_need/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
05:55:05 <Bill48105> how many monero for your body? i could use a few spare parts
05:55:14 <Bill48105> oh they left LoL
05:57:13 <ndorf> how did they manage to end up with tracking attributes on a url they ostensibly created themselves?
06:07:50 <LaoMalaclypse> I wondered that myself.
06:08:01 <LaoMalaclypse> . . . and went to look at it, but left out the tracking.
06:08:25 <LaoMalaclypse> Now, I will go to bed, and hopefully not dream of tracking attributes.
06:08:25 <Quotes> double dream feet ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L1tr0PIx20
06:08:47 <ndorf> LaoMalaclypse: https://github.com/jparise/chrome-utm-stripper will strip them automatically for you. chrome and firefox
06:09:13 <LaoMalaclypse> I mostly try to avoid both those browsers, but I already have that in Firefox.
06:09:15 <LaoMalaclypse> Thanks, though.
06:09:32 <LaoMalaclypse> It's a good thing to share with others.
06:09:39 <ndorf> nice, which browser do you prefer?
06:10:20 <LaoMalaclypse> Vimb mostly, these days, with some customizations.
06:10:45 <LaoMalaclypse> Back when it existed, xombrero was my favorite.  There are things that still nobody else has matched, from what I've seen.
06:10:47 <ndorf> whoa, thanks, that looks cool as hell
06:11:24 <LaoMalaclypse> I should cook up a shareable version of my config.
06:11:45 <LaoMalaclypse> . . . but not tonight.  It's bedtime.
06:12:09 <ndorf> right on, good night
06:12:18 <LaoMalaclypse> There's an Electron-based browser that appeals to me, in principle.  I forget off the top of my head what it's called, but it's in my notes somewhere.  I just need to get around to trying to build it.
06:12:22 <LaoMalaclypse> g'night
06:13:17 <ndorf> an electron-based browser?
06:13:23 <ndorf> i hope it's called chromeception
07:48:57 <PapuaHardyNet> I'm considering mining monero in a cloud VPS. Any recommendations to ensure that this is actually profitable?
07:50:25 <Inge-> yes - not doing it. Or having free VPS
07:50:48 <fehho[m]> It's not going to be profitable unless you steal the VPS.
07:51:07 <PapuaHardyNet> really, it's that bad?
07:51:24 <PapuaHardyNet> very well
07:51:45 <fehho[m]> VPSs are very calculated in what they give you, also against or not mentioned in all terms of service.
07:52:29 <PapuaHardyNet> What's the ratio of price of a mining VPS to earnings in monero?
07:54:01 <fehho[m]> Depends on the hardware your vps is assigned to which you have no control over unless you are renting an entire box.
07:58:39 <PapuaHardyNet> All right, what about a dedicated server ($60/month, Intel Xeon, 32GB memory, OVH)?
07:59:43 <PapuaHardyNet> If the ratio is higher than 2, I'll probably reconsider the idea, but a little loss is not a big deal since I think monero is the future of cryptocurrency
08:01:03 <sech1> It will mine you $7/month
08:01:27 <fehho[m]> Spitball number, 1:6, if you want to get monero for speculation then buy it outright.
08:01:28 <PapuaHardyNet> depressing
08:02:43 <fehho[m]> If you want to mine then use your own computer, that's the entire idea of 1 cpu : 1 person : 1 vote.
08:08:03 <svcadm[m]> its not provitable at all mining monero with VPS (if you paid for it)
08:10:01 <svcadm[m]> PapuaHardyNet: I have dedicated server with Xeon x5660 128GB or RAM. Try mining with 12 cores from 2 sockets only got ~2.7KHz
08:15:15 <DisBotXMR3> <hxr404> why does everyone complaint about monero and nobody about cash? I mean most of illegal activites are payed with cash
08:17:44 <Mochi101> The majority of people complain about what they're told to complain about DisBotXMR3
08:18:48 <sech1> *what they're paid to complain about
08:29:09 <Bill48105> cash is more easily traced kek
08:33:22 <raecarruth> because uncle sam collects taxes in usd
08:33:25 <raecarruth> not xmr
08:41:15 <PapuaHardyNet> svcadm: what's ~2.7KHz? Sorry, I don't know much about mining
08:42:21 <PapuaHardyNet> Anyway, to explain my situation a bit: my employer has given me a sort of bonus where I have severe latitude in how I can spend the money, but I will not get paid directly
08:42:39 <PapuaHardyNet> I'm now considering buying a mining rig
08:44:56 <svcadm> PapuaHardyNet: you may better join #monero-pools channel and discuss more about mining rig and pools for monero there.
08:46:13 <PapuaHardyNet> thanks for the heads up
09:23:55 <Norrin> svcadm is that low?
09:27:12 <svcadm> Norrin: compared with AMD Ryzen and power usage: Yes
09:45:50 <bfcyjjkt> I think everyone here knows that most Monero exchange withdrawals and desposits are traceable (Breaking Monero - poisoned outputs). How does it feel to go out and lie to people that they are private and then earn less than holding BTC on your bag?
10:35:17 <pixelized[m]> what about if you create a separate public address for use with an exchange and send XMR from the exchange to your self-owned account?
10:35:25 <pixelized[m]> afaik that's what people are told to do
10:35:30 <pixelized[m]> and that's secure, no?
10:39:42 <Mochi101> pixelized[m], that's just some butthurt spammer that comes in once in awhile and posts messages like that.
10:40:22 <pixelized[m]> ah
10:40:36 <pixelized[m]> thanks for keeping me from wasting my time in the future, Mochi101  :)
10:46:33 <spoke0_> i am having issues connecting to stagenet, any good seednodes?
10:50:17 <Mochi101> spoke0_, https://community.xmr.to/nodes.html
10:56:18 <spoke0_> [18.133.55.120:38080 OUT] [0] state: closed in state before_handshake
11:10:31 <selsta> spoke0_: I run a stagenet node on 80.110.94.106
11:11:05 <selsta> 88.198.199.23
11:23:37 <binaryFate> https://community.xmr.to/xmr-seed-nodes/stagenet
13:10:44 <xdxlrlok> Howard Chu is a high IQ scholar, he has more Google images with a violin than Sting with a guitar, he singlehandely saved NASA from doom. Why can't the saviour of NASA save Monero?
13:22:14 <jaiphszhobd> For a community that prides itself on manipulating people, you can't manage a single guy that spends most of his time in his underpants :D
13:29:25 <rldwhsat> Did you know that all witdraw-buyer-seller-depoist chains are trackable in Monero? No? You should have read Breaking Monero. How many people are you endangering with your 'privacy' coin?
13:32:29 <knowledgewizard[> Is that claim true?
13:36:17 <gingeropolous> knowledgewizard[, check it out and decide for yourself how much of a threat it is: https://www.monerooutreach.org/breaking-monero/poisoned-outputs.html
13:36:50 <gingeropolous> imo, its a known active attack, but its as threatening as the governments shutting down the internet to stop monero
13:37:45 <gingeropolous> active as in, someone has to actually do it. its not passive
13:37:50 <Mochi101> knowledgewizard[, that person/s/bot has been doing this campaign for ages... It's like a little kid. Won't even stick around to defend his argument or talk about it.
13:38:20 <sech1> I heard mental conditions get more sever during spring and autumn
13:38:23 <sech1> *severe
13:39:06 <gingeropolous> his campaign is the worst though because its costless, and theoretically endless
13:39:37 <gingeropolous> just a nonstop fud canon. makes me wanna go back to bitcointalk
13:39:48 <oxfyfnqnxkz> What kind of person steals from own community? np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d5yt5/_/ Your own leaders are laughing at how stupid you are for falling for thier 'Magical Crypto Friendship'
13:40:09 <Mochi101> Wait... My leader?
13:40:22 <sech1> jess can you do something about the spam?
13:41:22 <Mochi101> Doubt it... jumping IP addresses sech1. Pretty hard to stop that.
13:41:32 <jess> you could quiet unregistered users for a bit, if it's bad
13:41:56 <sech1> there was a bot that auto-kicked them quite efficiently, is it still working?
13:42:27 <knowledgewizard[> The page that was linked above is written in such a way that it requires javascript to read, and has obfuscated most of its code with hex.  I would consider banning any user that is promoting it.
13:42:34 <jess> it stopped being as effective
13:42:53 <knowledgewizard[> binaryFate: fluffypony luigi1111 marx
13:43:32 <knowledgewizard[> Apologies if it's a false alarm, but it looks like a hack
13:43:49 <selsta> it's just spam
13:44:05 <knowledgewizard[> to be clear: I'm talking about the "Breaking Monero" link
13:44:58 <Mochi101> Ban gingeropolous...
13:45:05 <Mochi101> :D
13:46:17 <selsta> it’s not a hack, no idea why the website requires javascript to display text
13:46:45 <knowledgewizard[> <Mochi101 "Ban gingeropolous..."> *promoting* was the key word :)
13:46:55 <knowledgewizard[> anyway sorry if i caused a needless startle before you had your covfefe
13:47:00 <knowledgewizard[> trying to help
13:47:24 <selsta> you can use `youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iABIcsDJKyM` to watch the video if you are interested in the topic
13:49:05 <jqagpylrouez> “I thought, ‘I’m going to pump it and dump it,’ because I was interested and taking the ideas and implementing them in bitcoin. The bitcoin code base was far more interesting to me than monero, and I thought, ‘I’m not going to work on this codebase, it’s terrible,'” he recalls - fluffypony in an interview about Monero
13:51:16 <camthegeek> mmmm, time to sign off irc for a bit
14:08:51 <pzrdyrsehd> FUK has bееn intеnsеly hostilе to Monеro for ovеr 4 yеars. Making minеrs for Monеro, making a pool for Monеro, making codе that Monеro copiеd, not using bugs to stеal millions from еxchangеs. Wow. Such grеat hostility.
14:09:48 <iTzNavic> Does monero also have the 51% vulnerability like bitcoin?
14:15:02 <fluffypony> iTzNavic: yes
14:15:09 <fluffypony> but, like Bitcoin, it has the majority hashrate for it's PoW algorithm
14:15:31 <fluffypony> and it's not exactly like there are miners on other similarly-bound algorithms that can costlessly switch
14:15:31 <iTzNavic> Would it be possible to make PoS like etherium in the future? just curious
14:15:42 <fluffypony> so it's practically unexploitable
14:15:47 <fluffypony> iTzNavic: PoS is also 51% attackable
14:15:58 <fluffypony> in fact, it's much easier to attack PoS with stake grinding
14:16:09 <iTzNavic> Yes but PoS is aparently more enviromentaly friendly
14:16:13 <fluffypony> you don't have to pay electricity costs to attack it, you just use your single-digit % to do so
14:16:24 <fluffypony> iTzNavic: PayPal is even more environmentally friendly
14:16:40 <iTzNavic> Doubt, but ok I get the point I think
14:17:29 <fluffypony> there are always trade-offs, we choose maximal security and trust that miners choose to reduce their electricity costs by seeking out renewable energy
14:17:52 <Mochi101> !quote add <fluffypony> PayPal is even more environmentally friendly
14:17:52 <Quotes> Quote #1812 added, Mochi101
14:18:13 <Mochi101> ;)
14:18:22 <iTzNavic> ah yes, quote bots. gotta love em
14:18:25 <Mochi101> Out of context quotes are the best quotes.
14:18:36 <iTzNavic> <Mochi101> Out of context quotes are the best quotes.
14:19:25 <DisBotXMR3> <TrooperZ> anyone know how to set up multiple pools with different difficulties but all working together as one?
14:20:20 <DisBotXMR3> <TrooperZ> like on different ports, one having a starter diff of like 1000, another being 2000, and a third being 3000 (not what is planned to be used, but you get the point)
14:20:31 <DisBotXMR3> <TrooperZ> and they all contribute together rather than being seperate pools
14:25:04 <efaydwudqrr> needmoney90: Let me quote your hero. 'How do I ban FUK? AAAHHHH I don't remember. youtube.com/watch?v=mdLfkhxIH5Q Keep tryin' champion.
14:45:04 <yggfisei> FUK has bееn intеnsеly hostilе to Monеro for ovеr 4 yеars. Making minеrs for Monеro, making a pool for Monеro, making codе that Monеro copiеd, not using bugs to stеal millions from еxchangеs. Wow. Such grеat hostility.
14:53:30 <zzhcsirzobdi> I think everyone here knows that most Monero exchange withdrawals and desposits are traceable (Breaking Monero - poisoned outputs). How does it feel to go out and lie to people that they are private and then earn less than holding BTC on your bag?
15:10:49 <irhknosevf> All you are 'fighting' for is e-penis of a guy you never met, that doesn't even have common decency to pay you for your time.
15:10:49 <irhknosevf> Do you think they care about Monero, or privacy or anything other than money?
15:12:02 <manifest> i hope he keeps at it, these are entertaining to read
15:12:41 <svcadm> lol
15:13:30 <charolastra> poor guy
15:19:07 <Mochi101> Imagine directing that passion towards something productive...
15:19:34 <sech1> Like ryo?
15:19:43 <sech1> it's ded
15:39:08 <usssser[m]> Thanks for your answer... . What do you think about the other 2 questions?
15:39:41 <usssser[m]> I know its possible buddy.
15:40:32 <usssser[m]> Ok. Thank you.
15:41:11 <usssser[m]> Does make a huge difference the  nodes?
15:41:32 <usssser[m]> Remote vs local...?
15:42:40 <usssser[m]> Great.
15:42:47 <usssser[m]> Thanks m8.
15:46:41 <Mochi101> ban
17:12:37 <jonan> what are your guys' hash rates like?
17:17:25 <Mochi101> 'bout 2 grams a day
17:17:42 <moneromooo> lol
17:32:45 <ryfjaoxcklm> When Tari finally comes out, will you dump your Monero to buy it? Will others?
17:39:51 <apotheon> Why the hell would someone dump Monero to buy Tari?
17:40:05 <apotheon> That must be some ridiculous spam.
17:41:30 <Mochi101> because NFTs!
17:41:44 <Mochi101> all the rage
17:42:07 <moneromooo> Literally.
17:42:59 <gzgeuaefc> There are multiple psychological hooks to keep Monero community members in place. Here is one:
17:42:59 <gzgeuaefc> https://vimeo.com/272691039
17:42:59 <gzgeuaefc> Notice that Scientologists don't stand on street corners saying "Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Xenu?"
17:42:59 <gzgeuaefc> Put yourself instead in the shoes of someone who spent $10,000 and 2-3 years of their life on their courses
17:42:59 <gzgeuaefc> And you get a bunch of bad sci-fi - you have two choices:
17:42:59 <gzgeuaefc> - either swallow a very bitter pill that you wasted a pile of money and a portion of your life
17:42:59 <gzgeuaefc> - or swallow the sci-fi, and from that point on, you will swallow _anything_ they tell you.
17:43:00 <gzgeuaefc> In the cult trade that's called "insider doctrine".
17:43:00 <gzgeuaefc> Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour of NASA, Howard Chu?
17:43:01 <gzgeuaefc> https://medium.com/@crypto_ryo/senior-nasa-engineer-calls-out-howard-chu-hyc-symas-monero-developer-on-being-a-fraud-db0b46688041
17:47:39 <Mochi101> jess, are these new registrations for the new registered users to avoid the +R and spam the channel?
17:47:55 <Mochi101> [gzgeuaefc] (~gzgeuaefc⊙2211): realname
19:12:13 <Bill48105> oh shit that's why Wallet warned me Sigyn is here
19:13:20 <selsta> you think the klines are due to Sigyn?
19:13:59 <Bill48105> that's the point of Sigyn bot
19:13:59 <camthegeek> if so, they're pretty good.
19:14:08 <selsta> why now?
19:14:14 <camthegeek> ry`an came in under 5+ different proxies so far
19:14:19 <selsta> or am I missing something :P
19:14:27 <Bill48105> this channel is being attacked by spam bots
19:14:57 <Bill48105> issue is legit bots can get rekt too
19:15:05 <binaryFate> one more badge of honor for monero
19:15:10 <Bill48105> LoL
19:15:16 <camthegeek> /flex
19:15:23 <selsta> there are multiple users getting k-lined that are definitely not bots
19:15:28 <Bill48105> so my bot warns me if Sigyn joins
19:15:44 <camthegeek> I noticed 3 that have been here for a bit got klined
19:15:53 <Bill48105> Kline is just ip ban so yeah possible users get taken out too
19:16:09 <Bill48105> especially if the bot yes using shared proxy or something
19:19:19 <echelon> what would the price increase be if monero was officially renamed to drugcoin?
19:19:31 <ensyde> Bill48105: I'm not a bot :(
19:19:40 <moneromooo> Fork it and see.
19:19:44 <selsta> 20:08     ⇐︎ BtcIsMyFavNFT quit (~thrmo@unaffiliated/thrmo): K-Lined
19:19:53 <selsta> ^ also false positive
19:20:04 <camthegeek> rip thrmo
19:20:17 <uptime> I'm just an unfairly persecuted ascii-art enthusiast
19:22:18 <camthegeek> heh
19:24:38 <Bill48105> LoL
19:34:01 <Bill48105> what the hell is the point in doing that.. just to annoy us? lol
19:35:01 <apotheon> Bill48105: it might just be a bot that doesn't know any better
19:37:47 <apotheon> while 1; connect; set username; if current_channel_selection_done { get_next_channel }; join current_channel_selection; say_something; leave current_channel_selection; mark current_channel_section_done; end
19:37:56 <apotheon> s/section/selection/
19:38:51 <Bill48105> a bot that changes ip and tries over and over the doesn't know any better eh LoL
19:40:01 <camthegeek> apotheon is sus
19:40:28 <usssser[m]> I am tring to buy 2000gbp monero but between bitcoins purchase and exchange I lose about 300£
19:40:42 <usssser[m]> Is this normal?. Whats the cheapest way to purchase monero...
19:41:21 <charolastra> why not go to an exchange that does fiat->monero directly?
19:41:22 <moneromooo> 10% is a lot. But then it's like daily noise so...
19:42:04 <usssser[m]> charolastra: wich one you recomend?
19:42:21 <charolastra> i'm a Kraken customer, so
19:45:11 <fluffynioc> yes kraken is best for fiat > monero if you don't mind giving them your info
19:45:23 <fluffynioc> they are very reputable
19:51:16 <apotheon> 19:40 < camthegeek> apotheon is sus
19:51:19 <apotheon> What does that mean?
19:52:35 <dEBRUYNE> usssser[m]: You should be able to use Kraken
19:53:33 <apotheon> Buying Monero on a KYC exchange seems like a bad idea, but . . . whatever floats your boat, I guess.
19:53:42 <camthegeek> apotheon, silly reference to among us game.
19:53:54 <apotheon> I'm not familiar with that game.
19:54:10 <apotheon> C programming is my favorite video game.
19:55:06 <WillSellBody4Xmr> I don't think it's that bad of an idea to buy on a KYC exchange, especially because by being the person who has their identity compromised, you can now get an arbitrary amount of monero you can now exchange with people in non-KYC ways.
19:55:36 <WillSellBody4Xmr> Plus once it's in my wallet what are you gonna do, track it? If internal IRS memos say big gov can't do that, I think we're good.
19:55:44 <WillSellBody4Xmr> just my two cents
19:56:53 <mys> WillSellBody4Xmr: they'll hit you with a wrench until you give them private keys
19:57:07 <WillSellBody4Xmr> Oh yeah lol the wrench attack
19:57:29 <apotheon> I guess if someone just wants to buy Monero from a KYC exchange and sell it to people who want to buy without tracks, and the person buying from KYC never intends to actually *use* Monero for anything other than as product to sell for fiat, then . . . the person is cool with me, other than the potential for getting thrown in prison for money laundering.
19:57:29 <charolastra> you'll also have a good explaination if you decide to move xmr->fiat again
19:57:39 <WillSellBody4Xmr> I mean what if I don't have the private keys, and the necessary information is contained in lockboxes in multiple banks
19:57:51 <apotheon> 19:57 < WillSellBody4Xmr> Oh yeah lol the wrench attack
19:58:00 <apotheon> I believe the technical term is "rubber hose cryptanalysis".
19:59:03 <apotheon> I think there's a solution to this ry||an situation known as "banning".
19:59:25 <WillSellBody4Xmr> ry||an situation?
20:00:01 <echelon> kraken is a reputable exchange that trades xmr
20:00:19 <echelon> i've never heard the issue of money laundering being raised
20:00:21 <apotheon> WillSellBody4Xmr: ry||an is joining and disappearing by K-line over and over again.  If you have join/part messages blocked, you wouldn't see it.
20:00:48 <WillSellBody4Xmr> oh yeah I removed those messages
20:01:18 <apotheon> I op several channels, and feel a need to see everything so I can see what might be annoying others and thus deal with it appropriately.
20:02:34 <apotheon> I wonder whether Matrix bridge users see the join-and-part stuff.
20:06:33 <camthegeek> jebus
20:08:01 <camthegeek> could temporarily do /mode +b ry*an*!*@*
20:08:28 <charolastra> do it
20:11:12 <XeN[m]> im on matrix and i dont see the k-line stuff but do see the join/parts
20:11:49 <MoneroHelp> @SerHack around?
20:11:57 <MoneroHelp> i have issue with monerophp
20:14:52 <moneromooo> Did you try without those extra curl settings btw ?
20:15:44 <apotheon> I kinda feel like ry*an*!*@* is too broad.
20:15:59 <apotheon> XeN[m]: Thanks for the info.
20:16:32 <XeN[m]> =)
20:27:24 <moneromooo> So, were you up to no good then ? :)
20:27:32 <[ryan]> nah
20:33:57 <MoneroHelp> what you think about tor block for tor over tor scenario
20:34:31 <MoneroHelp> built upon idea of preventing ddos
20:35:09 <tczee36> should i have more out_peer connections or in_peer connections on my monero node?
20:35:23 <moneromooo> More in, typically.
20:35:39 <tczee36> more in_peer helps the network better?ya?
20:35:43 <moneromooo> Assuming you have default settings.
20:35:49 <moneromooo> Yes, to some extent.
20:35:58 <tczee36> ok, will make that change
20:36:54 <usssser[m]> Guys wich fiat to xmr exchange would you recomend.
20:37:27 <tczee36> current has out_peer (150), in_peer (100), but my node crashes when i set the out_peer too high, prolly due to limited ram
20:38:14 <moneromooo> If it's really a crash, try to get a stack trace. Just make sure it's a crash and not, say, systemd or the OOM killer killing it.
20:38:53 <moneromooo> 100's fine.
20:39:06 <moneromooo> You don't want to get bogged down either.
20:39:59 <tczee36> alrite, thanks for the help
21:34:49 <fluffynioc> usssser[m]:kraken is really the only one
21:35:15 <fluffynioc> others use things like USDT aka tetther
21:35:35 <usssser[m]> Just wanted diferent opinions
21:35:41 <fluffynioc> or crypto to cpypto
21:36:33 <fluffynioc> so you can but btc or ltc and then transfer to a choice of exchanges and buy monero if that works better for you
21:36:45 <fluffynioc> *buy btc
21:36:57 <usssser[m]> Ok . Thanks again. fluffynioc
21:37:02 <fluffynioc> :)
21:37:43 <usssser[m]> Just realized now localmonero.co is the best option to get monero at the best price
21:38:15 <fluffynioc> thought that they had like a 5% premium
21:38:29 <fluffynioc> have never used them myself but many have
21:39:09 <usssser[m]> Have a look.... I think you will like it...
21:42:15 <lza_menace> hey guys - can anyone point me in the right direction on troubleshooting this spiky activity on one of my nodes? https://2dwarfsandmeathead.node.xmrcannon.net/d/0ktA4KDGk/daemon-stats?orgId=1&refresh=30s&from=now-6h&to=now
21:43:18 <lza_menace> not sure how to approach troubleshooting - load on the box is  1.25, 1.44, 1.43, but it
21:43:28 <lza_menace> 's 2 vCPU, 2 GB RAM, that's not very high
21:43:40 <lza_menace> yet it keeps flaking out on checks to RPC ports
21:44:12 <lza_menace> restarting monerod has no effect
21:49:25 <selsta> can you post the graph of a correctly working node?
21:50:33 <lza_menace> https://moonymcmoonface.node.xmrcannon.net/d/0ktA4KDGk/daemon-stats?orgId=1&refresh=30s&from=now-6h&to=now
21:50:50 <lza_menace> the first URL it is still bootstrapping the chain
21:50:59 <lza_menace> second graph is one that's been running for quite some time
21:51:38 <selsta> does it still sync?
21:51:44 <lza_menace> but I can see the same spikyness in the bootstrap - here's a third
21:51:55 <lza_menace> yes, just very slowly
21:52:03 <lza_menace> I see the chain size increasing
21:52:07 <selsta> don't really understand the issue yet
21:53:11 <lza_menace> ok, standby
21:53:16 <lza_menace> Exhibit A: https://community2.node.xmrcannon.net/d/0ktA4KDGk/daemon-stats?orgId=1&from=1614353536698&to=1614808273541
21:53:25 <lza_menace> Exhibit B: https://2dwarfsandmeathead.node.xmrcannon.net/d/0ktA4KDGk/daemon-stats?orgId=1&from=1614487279907&to=1614808359943
21:53:51 <lza_menace> compare chain sizes + full metrics reporting
21:54:19 <lza_menace> the problem server is taking many days to fully bootstrap, whereas previously it took ~1.5
21:55:07 <selsta> when did you sync up the others?
21:55:25 <selsta> 1-2 months ago? or also recently?
21:55:57 <lza_menace> list of launch times is here: https://xmrcannon.net/
21:56:03 <lza_menace> very recent
22:01:13 <selsta> ok, I see the slow syncing now on grafana
22:01:52 <DisBotXMR3> <Fyse> lza are you on discord?
22:01:57 <DisBotXMR3> <Fyse> right now*
22:02:07 <selsta> can you rule out that it's just a bad VPS? I had it once with Hetzner where everything would be slow, creating a new one solved it
22:25:57 <WillSellBody4Xmr> I have a question, now honestly I think fire-ice-uk is full of shit because hey we're trusted when you don't trust anyone, that's easily verifiable. But he has that site, is the purpose of that site basically saying he can get around dandelion++ and therefore for full anonymity you should broadcast things through the tor network on a private remote
22:25:57 <WillSellBody4Xmr> node?
22:26:27 <WillSellBody4Xmr> He now claims he can figure out your porn preferences, which seems...impossible?
22:27:03 <lza_menace> it's a gag, leave it alone
22:27:40 <WillSellBody4Xmr> fair enough
22:28:19 <lza_menace> selsta: fair point, I have had issues with the overall machine from the jump...first time syncing the DB corrupted....
22:29:47 <moneromooo> Using tor to relay txes is preferred (--tx-relay IIRC). Also, not using someone else's node, it's like asking some random person on the street to send a secret message on your behalf by telling them the contents and trusting they'll keep it to themselves.
22:30:16 <moneromooo> Dandelion's the next best thing. Dumb broadcast is the worst.
22:58:01 <usssser[m]> Do I need to use a monero mixer to increase privacy on transactions with monero ? Or xmr it s already secure by itself
22:59:15 <endor00[m]> There's no such thing as a monero mixer
22:59:48 <endor00[m]> Well, there was one I saw a few weeks ago, which was actually just a scam to trick newbies and steal their monero
23:00:13 <endor00[m]> But other than that, Monero acts as an advanced "mixer" by design
23:00:21 <endor00[m]> (It's actually more elaborate than just mixing)
23:00:28 <usssser[m]> All righhht... I was reading on reddit an article.. Might be the one :D
23:14:01 <yanmaani> moneromooo: you could use UDP spoofing for a low-cost alternative to tor
23:20:26 <strike> .usd
23:30:27 <qhgsntza> There are multiple psychological hooks to keep Monero community members in place. Here is one:
23:30:27 <qhgsntza> https://vimeo.com/272691039
23:30:27 <qhgsntza> Notice that Scientologists don't stand on street corners saying "Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Xenu?"
23:30:27 <qhgsntza> Put yourself instead in the shoes of someone who spent $10,000 and 2-3 years of their life on their courses
23:30:27 <qhgsntza> And you get a bunch of bad sci-fi - you have two choices:
23:30:27 <qhgsntza> - either swallow a very bitter pill that you wasted a pile of money and a portion of your life
23:30:27 <qhgsntza> - or swallow the sci-fi, and from that point on, you will swallow _anything_ they tell you.
23:30:28 <qhgsntza> In the cult trade that's called "insider doctrine".
23:30:28 <qhgsntza> Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour of NASA, Howard Chu?
23:30:29 <qhgsntza> https://medium.com/@crypto_ryo/senior-nasa-engineer-calls-out-howard-chu-hyc-symas-monero-developer-on-being-a-fraud-db0b46688041
23:38:45 <ndorf> when is Monero going to start using psychological hooks on me? i feel like i'm missing out
23:39:07 <apotheon> Is running a full node using the official CLI or GUI for a full node pretty much the most privacy-protecting way to maintain a Monero wallet?  What precautions, apart from wallet software choice, are needed for (lacking a better phrase off the top of my head) "industrial strength" private wallet management?
23:39:54 <ndorf> apotheon: pretty much. you could use --tx-proxy to submit your transactions over tor, if you want to go the extra mile. see ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md for more details
23:40:21 <apotheon> Is that file in the software version control repository, or what?
23:40:26 <ndorf> yep. one sec
23:40:47 <ndorf> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/docs/ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md
23:40:53 <apotheon> thanks
23:40:56 <ndorf> np
23:41:06 <apotheon> saved me a minute or so of searching
23:41:24 <apotheon> This looks great.  Thanks.
23:41:30 <apotheon> Next question, though:
23:42:02 <nioccoin> ndorf: I can hook you up
23:42:28 <ndorf> sounds great, sign me up. with what, though?
23:42:31 <ndorf> :)
23:42:37 <apotheon> If I have need for a wallet that has payment addresses publicly associated with me, I kinda feel like I should just use something convenient for that, and not worry about the privacy angle -- in fact, pay taxes as needed and so on -- and just keep it separate from private wallets.  Does that track?
23:42:49 <ndorf> sure
23:43:12 <apotheon> . . . 'cause I kinda feel like that sort of thing trying to anonymize what I openly received would just make my life more difficult.
23:44:05 <ndorf> probably the safest bet is just to use a separate wallet. then you can reveal the private viewkey to one of them, e.g. to the tax authorities, without disclosing even the existence of the other
23:45:43 <ndorf> FWIW i report all my taxable monero transactions to the IRS (USA), and they've never asked me for any additional details about them.
23:46:51 <ndorf> or any other crypto for that matter
23:47:40 <apotheon> coolio
23:52:05 <moneromooo> yanmaani: you might have mentioned that before... I'll add to my list to look into at some point, thnaks.