00:02:09 mawk: we have a Discord relay up for people who prefer to use that 00:08:11 there are over 200 people there despite not promoting it much 00:09:18 i dont understand discords appeal outside of gaming 00:09:25 matrix is easier to use 00:12:03 discord is closed source malware, just the thing for monero users 00:18:49 Would open source malware be much better? 00:33:17 lmao that was my thought 00:33:27 get out of my head apotheon 00:33:50 It's cozy in here. 01:01:42 the discord protocol is open source 01:01:46 kinda 01:07:24 Is it published, or is it opensource? 🤔 01:11:21 Is using a third-party client without some kind of licensing against terms of service? 01:20:40 well open source malware looks like a better choice. You'd have more of a clue about what the malware is doing. 01:27:41 https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/discord.html 01:28:18 https://stallman.org/discord.html 01:29:04 * MCXLIII[m] uploaded an image: discord.jpg (39KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/nBxiuYdBEHuqVvyuSjmfYHSD/discord.jpg > 01:29:11 🤡 01:29:58 I can tell you why you can't stop the 'spam'. You are thinking in cult doctrine. If it was real spam, and I was selling Viagra for example - you could easily ban keywords and urls. Instead, stop being a sheep, think like a cult leader. Recoginse that this 'spam' is just some bullshit that you tell to the sheep. 01:29:58 When you do that, solution will present itself. Observe. 'spam' -> 'FUK talks bad things about Monero on our IRC' (Don't say that out loud obviously, that will get you excommunicated) Solution? Get off-the-shelf sentiment analyser, detect anyone who 'talks bad things about Monero' and ban them. 01:31:07 oh discord is run by feminazis too? shocking. 01:31:15 Actually 01:31:16 https://blog.discord.com/our-stand-on-racial-equality-320088e83a22 01:31:20 and 01:31:21 https://reclaimthenet.org/discord-banning-misinformation/ 01:31:30 A lot of reasons to dislike them 01:31:41 hehe 01:32:01 discord is a 100% fully complaint pentagon operation 01:32:13 doubleplus shocking 01:33:30 compliant* 01:34:37 theres so much virtue signaling in Tech its sickening 01:34:39 just be kind to people 01:35:09 Not just in tech brother, it's part of the plan 01:35:11 'virtue signaling' is such a twisted euphemism. There's nothign virtuos about silicon valley scum. 01:35:31 A big nosed plan if you catch my drift 01:35:59 my opinion on having *useful* rather than *satisfying* discourse is that you have to be willing to put yourself in the other party's shoes, and from their point of view, Human Rights Fashion X is Very Important 01:36:12 so okay - it's important, but it's more important to just care about your fellow man 01:36:15 whatever their anatomy. 01:37:01 yes it's important to them to pose as defenders of human rights when in reality they are the worst enemies of human rights 01:37:06 it's called propaganda 01:37:49 If there's something that tribe is good at is playing with words and giving them completely different meanings 01:37:52 MCXLIII[m]: yes we get your hatred 01:37:54 Subversion at its best 01:38:26 it's not just 'that tribe' tho - the whole of govcorp is corrupt to the core 01:38:36 Every minute this conversation becomes less of a conversation related directly to Monero and more suitable for one of the off-topic channels. 01:39:11 discord is complete garbage, and it's pretty funny that it gets promoted in a channel like this 01:40:27 Yeah but that horse was beat to death already and now it's just talking about discord's corporate policy. 01:41:37 01:30 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdCKMdPSnTE 01:46:31 Discord is capable of having a globally enforced ToS, that's really all you need to know (that is, they can spy on DMs) 01:53:54 why would any DM user use discord 01:54:21 as a way of messaging people you see on servers 02:03:33 jeez this convo above is simply depressing to read 02:03:41 just don't use Discord 02:03:52 lawl 02:11:09 Not to forget they ban you for disliking furries 02:11:36 Idk if the bot relays replies 02:11:52 https://reclaimthenet.org/discord-banning-misinformation/ 02:24:10 Generally speaking what % increase is ideal if you are overclocking with everything in your favor and the wind at your back lot-quality wise? 03:22:01 howdy, is there something like bitnodes.io but for monero? to check and see if my node is configured correctly 07:10:10 Disappointed in the lack of monero shills on r/cryptocurrencies ☹️ 07:49:29 angrymonkeyboi[m: Why? 07:50:53 'mo users, 'mo privacy 07:51:25 * mo' users, mo' privacy 07:52:54 🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍 🚀🚀🚀 08:07:46 Shilling doesn't seem like a great way to get them. 08:07:54 Maybe you just mean advocates. 08:08:02 Well . . . it's past bedtime. 08:08:04 g'night 08:10:47 Hey guys! I just learned about Monero and set up my wallet. Can anyone tell me how to get started? Are there any faucets or airdrops around? 08:20:21 Word of guys running Monero community should be BELIEVED. Why would anyone that stole money and laughed at the losers that took the bait ever have a reason to lie to you? www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d5yt5/what_fluffypony_just_did_is_not_ok/ 08:21:02 Hey guys! I j"> What's a faucet and airdrop? 08:21:36 Why bot? 08:21:41 Why are you doing this to me? 08:21:45 :( 08:21:48 lol 08:21:54 It's the IRC and Matrix bridge 08:22:02 Anyway, any help with my question? 08:22:11 Yeah, what's a faucet? 08:22:32 I can't buy crypto in my country due to lots of reasons. So I'm looking for faucets, airdrops or mining 08:22:40 Dunno how efficient mining is 08:22:41 Ohh 08:22:55 If you want to buy off-exchange, you can try localmonero.co 08:23:16 or, you can mine - but that might take longer than you are willing to wait for 08:23:43 How efficient is mining? CPU only? 08:23:58 Can't buy, India is a very shit country bruh 08:24:05 F 08:24:48 Plenty of offers in India 08:24:48 https://localmonero.co/buy-monero-with-inr-in-india 08:25:15 I don't know if they're good deals though. I don't know how much the Indian Rupee is worth 08:25:19 I lost 2K on shitty Indian exchanges and all bruh. I don't have money to buy right now lmao 08:25:28 Wanna mine or get a faucet 08:25:46 I don't know what a faucet is. Do you need clean drinking water? 08:26:16 Faucets drop a small amount of crypto every 24 hours 08:26:19 faucet, a site that gives tiny amount of crypto every x minutes or so to visitors 08:26:24 y 08:26:26 I'm sure you're kidding haha 08:26:41 I've never heard of that before 08:26:58 I haven't heard anything about faucets in years, for any cryptocurrency. 08:27:21 Crap, I'm still awake. What's wrong with me? 08:27:21 It's for many cryptos like Nano, bonano, Iota and stuff 08:27:23 to be fair, the only faucet I know for monero is stagenet so that wont work 08:27:25 If you can't buy it anyway, fire up a miner. 08:27:40 it will be slow though... 08:27:41 Saw a reddit article on rugs on r/monero. took me a moment to realize it was ACTUALLY an ad for rugs ... 08:27:45 How efficient is CPU mining? I don't have a GPU 08:27:52 it'sall cpu now 08:28:00 gpus suck at current algo, randomx 08:28:03 Bruh these people with the BOT tags aren't actually bots are there 08:28:06 You need a good CPU to make it cost-effective. 08:28:22 I have an i3 08:28:33 cpu's only suck slightly less. an AMD 3900x will get you like .. 0.005 xmr/day or $1 before expenses 08:28:35 😆 😆 😆 RIP 08:28:42 DisBotXMR3: To us in IRC, you look like this: 08:28:44 08:28 < DisBotXMR3> I have an i3 08:28:57 Bruh these pe"> It is you who is a bot 08:29:29 Do you have an IRC to discord connection or something? 😂 08:29:37 Yes. Matrix too 08:29:55 Anyway, you aren't going to get very far mining on an i3 processor 08:30:14 Let's assume electrify is not an issue 08:30:24 Even 1 USD a day would be enough for me tbh 08:30:47 I highly doubt you'd hit that. IDK I don't mine 08:30:53 not with an i3 08:30:58 I'm a student. I'm not in it for the money. I'm just trying to collect different types of crypto so I can learn more about it and support the crypto community 08:31:58 I just need enough to get started with it. Say, 10 USD worth of Monero 08:32:30 Set up a miner in your school computer lab 08:32:34 🤣 08:32:59 I don't go to school haha. Already graduated 08:33:12 Also school computers were even worse than mine lmao 08:33:20 Try selling your body 08:33:38 I'm not that hot 08:33:39 🤣 🤣 08:34:01 Any miners here? Also is Monero feeless? 08:34:03 Damn, not rich and not hot. Why even exist amirite? 08:34:24 Don't wanna die. Mom will be sad 08:34:30 Good reason 08:34:50 Monero fees are very small. Less than 1/1000 USD 08:35:19 My fam is financially fine but they allow me to spend on non-essential stuff. To them crypto is stupid. 08:35:33 It is stupid 08:35:35 And I've already lost my pocket money on shitty predatory Indian exchanges 08:35:54 Do you keep your coins in the exchanges? 08:36:04 Wallet 08:36:19 Then how did you lose money with the exchanges? 08:36:41 You gotta buy from an exchange to transfer to your wallet right 08:37:01 There aren't crypto laws in India so I got spammed with hidden fees and shit 08:37:21 Can't you use non-indian exchanges? 08:37:24 Spent 2K on crypto and for 45 worth of crypto in my wallet. India is a scam 08:37:56 Nope. I've tried a lot. Never got past the KYC. And even if I do my card won't work even though it supports international transactions 08:38:34 😢 08:39:00 What do I do 😭 08:39:21 Don't you guys have a tip bot or something 08:39:28 Vote Modi out 😆 08:39:36 Then move to another country 08:39:38 Tried. Didn't work 08:39:42 then buy crypto 08:39:47 then profit 🥳 08:40:31 Sorry man, idk 08:40:48 Ask on reddit about how other Indians are getting crypto 08:41:04 Once you have any amount of crypto, you can get monero easily 08:41:08 They usually have lots of money or foreign relatives 08:41:38 How do they send money to their relatives? or is it done as a favor? 08:42:58 That I don't know 08:43:19 Ah, looks like I gotta mine. 08:43:24 Man it's gonna take days :( 08:43:29 weeks 08:44:13 Just for 10 USD worth? That's literally all I need 08:46:10 if you don't mind paying for the electricity and don't mind the computer whirring next to you at full load, go ahead 08:46:20 and if you don't pay for your electricity, it's free money! 08:46:58 Problem is that he has an i3 processor 08:47:43 what i3 specifically, the modern ones aren't thaaaaat terrible i think 08:47:43 *which* i3 cpu? 08:48:23 Electricity is dirt cheap. Plus its a Laptop CPU so it doesn't consume much power to begin with (it's 35 Watts) 08:48:39 And that's the problem. It's a laptop i3 so it'll mine really slow 08:48:48 5th i3 laptop version 08:48:54 ugh. laptops are bad to mine on. not made for maxing out cpu 24/7 08:50:18 Ah it's been sitting in the cupboard for a while. It was gonna get recycled anyway, so don't worry about it haha 08:50:29 I used to stress test that laptop all the time lmao 08:50:42 then just run xmrig on it and see? 08:50:51 but it will probably make miniscule amounts of xmr 08:50:55 well, try to let it breathe at least while you do it 08:52:21 Told you, I'm not really interested in making money. I just want crypto in my wallet 08:52:53 Can you point me to the right link? I saw the xmrig plage but it looks so complicated xD 08:59:30 m o n e r o 09:02:16 TheBlackInsticnt: https://paxful.com/ 09:03:50 Won't get you XMR directly, but it'll allow you to move your currency to a blockchain. Then you can easily trade it for Monero. 09:12:59 I'm downloading the xmr blockchain rn, it's taken over a week+ 09:13:14 still not done lol 09:13:17 I've tried Paxful. Didn't work for me 09:13:32 I had to buy a new SSD 09:13:42 I'd elaborate but I'm too tried ranting about how shitty my country is 09:14:19 everybody's country is shitty right now I think 09:15:24 there's a way to get XMR in whatever shitty country you might be in 09:20:13 Bruh I've been asking on reddit and different discord servers for ages 09:20:20 Fuck India 09:20:26 I'm done with this country 11:10:46 Have you tried Localmonero? Maybe you'll find someone 11:11:21 Some sellers take some form of online payments or bank deposits 11:11:35 i try to run monerod (own node) for monero-wallet-cli, but dafter a power failure i end up having to delete the db and restart all over again. 11:12:23 db-salvage also not helping 11:14:10 swrangsar: What OS ? 11:14:39 artix linux 11:15:05 What filesystem ? 11:15:24 root is ext4, /home is ext3 11:15:44 Presumably the db is on /home ? 11:15:50 yes 11:16:06 What is the error you're getting telling you the db is borked ? 11:16:38 Exception in main! Failed to open db handle for m_hf_starting_heights : MDB_CORRUPTED: Located page was wrong type - you may want to start with --db-salvage 11:16:48 hyc: ^ 11:17:05 That doesn't sound like something monerod itself can do if there's a bug in atomicity. 11:18:45 would ext4 help? but do not know how to configure monerod to save db to a user-defined folder 11:18:52 Doubt it. 11:19:03 --data-dir /path/to/wherever 13:45:54 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/818117254855655434/Screenshot_2021-03-07-19-15-45-580_com.brave.browser.jpg 13:46:07 Is this a decent mining rate guys? Using my old laptop with an i3 😂 13:48:48 not really XD 14:29:11 How long do you think until I get 1 Monero 14:29:19 That's all I need really xD 14:30:36 i think you need to wait DO_MATH minutes 14:41:49 I'm not really a math expert by any means but I think it'll take 10 mins atleast 15:12:54 https://cdn.d"> 1) that's a terrible hashrate 15:13:02 2) don't use minexmr 15:13:15 3) don't use Brave either while you're at it 15:28:33 brave seems safer than firefox 15:28:37 Did you know that all witdraw-buyer-seller-depoist chains are trackable in Monero? No? You should have read Breaking Monero. How many people are you endangering with your 'privacy' coin? 15:31:23 .cz 15:46:06 Brave is the people who did BAT, and they basically impersonated random people to get donations on their behalf, pretty scummy. 16:04:24 lots of rockstars do tons of drugs, the music is still good 16:04:45 only issue ive seen from brave was the dns leak on their tor window rollout 16:05:49 I'm not trusting my privacy and security to rockstars but I suppose it your choice to make. 16:06:03 just use Tor browser if you want to use Tor 16:06:49 tor browser is missing security mitigations that are baked into chromium 16:11:18 Brave is a joke 16:11:51 https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/brave.html 16:12:32 knowledgewizard4 is the music still good or not more like good because of the drugs 😅 16:14:07 MCXLIII: Which part of the article makes you think Brave is a joke? The auto-updates? 16:14:54 Maybe everything else? 16:15:49 I can't argue multiple points at once. Would you mind picking one? 16:18:00 For a browser that sells itself as a privacy browser, there's a lot to pick 16:18:13 Whitelisting "safe" ads/trackers, telemetry, you name it 16:18:35 So the whitelisting is a set of toggles in the configuration gui in settings 16:18:44 If you really want a Chromium based browser, why not just stick to Ungoogled Chromium? 16:18:57 You can disable them, you can also set ad blocking to aggressive and fingerprinting to nothing and they warn you it may break sites 16:19:26 It feels like people are really quick to give brave a raw deal, but when mozilla fires their entire security team they don't bat an eye 16:19:48 No, it's different 16:19:59 I would say the same if say LibreWolf did that kind of bs 16:20:21 I already know what to expect from Firefox and that's why I don't use it 16:20:48 But if you recommend Brave because of it's privacy features, it better have good default settings 16:26:05 No, they specifically had a whitelist for fb/google trackers hardcoded in the code a while back (like 2y ago?) 16:26:57 ah you're saying they only exposed them to configuration when they were found out? 16:27:07 Yep 16:27:21 do you have a link i can read to verify that? that's pretty damning 16:27:37 That's on the link I sent you 16:28:28 dang my raspberry pi has earned about 12.5 cents from mining at 95% uptime for 6 days so far 16:28:29 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/facebook-twitter-trackers-whitelisted-by-brave-browser this is the link they reference 16:28:33 it does not exist 16:28:54 im looking for like a commit history with the whitelist shown in the github 16:28:58 Also they got caught injecting their own referral codes in the registration URLs for many crypto exchanges, and hiding it from the end user (again in the source). So if you tried registering to, say, Binance using your buddy's referral, you'd still end up on Brave's referral instead - even though the URL they showed you was your buddy's 16:29:01 anyone can fake a screenshot 16:29:10 hang on I'll try to dig it up 16:29:20 Here 16:29:21 web.archive.org/web/20190213055618/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/facebook-twitter-trackers-whitelisted-by-brave-browser 16:31:12 knowledgewizard: here's the commit that the article ^ refers to: https://github.com/brave/brave-core/commit/248015f6513e8258ea7b1d60c49d4862c83e40e8#diff-a813cf047b6172e0a0acc8aeca98477d4194e31903c30f919500e871d35ec2f9 16:31:44 oh, looks like it was FB and Twitter, not Google 16:32:13 this is the image they show in the article: 16:32:22 * knowledgewizard4 uploaded an image: image.png (147KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/gZzsNFaUVhssphlGbOytHFNe/image.png > 16:32:39 The referenced link does not include the above code: https://github.com/brave/brave-core/blob/master/components/brave_shields/browser/tracking_protection_service.h#L53-L54 16:33:21 you have to look into the commit history, Feb 24 2019 (the link I gave you) 16:33:30 here 16:33:49 That's the commit in which they remove the hardcoded whitelist 16:34:37 The archived link also does not include the code in the above screenshot. 16:34:52 the linked commit does 16:35:39 Wow. 16:35:39 Well done. 16:35:43 Delta awarded. 16:36:34 Article about the referral highjacking: https://blogpapi.com/the-brave-web-browser-is-hijacking-links-and-inserting-affiliate-codes/ 16:38:06 That's less heinous to me than silently reporting "shielded" users to facebook 16:39:42 But it raises a very dangerous precedent: they are overwriting the real URL you're visiting and hiding that from you 16:39:52 They're lying about what's actually going on 16:40:57 Coming from a browser that is supposed to be all about protecting their users, that's extremely dangerous 16:41:05 oh jesus they deleted it from their subreddit? wow 16:41:37 They also disabled the ability to raise issues on their github repo 16:42:05 Also: 16:42:06 https://decrypt.co/35146/brave-forces-rival-browser-braver-change-name 16:42:19 lol, nice 16:42:23 Oh: "Please don't be disingenuous. You know that you double-posted. Your second post (which you linked above) was removed because it was a duplicate. You have since deleted your first post, which I still have a permalink to (as evidence), here: https://www.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/fm3czv/brave_is_promoting_blockhain_programs_and_making/ You deleting your own first post gives the appearance of "closing down 16:42:23 discussion" after the fact, even though your second post was only removed because it was believed to be a duplicate." 16:42:26 Gotta love Brendan Eich 16:42:30 (the brave-core repo, not the browser itself) 18:54:56