01:21:36 Anyone using a Sata to USB cable to use an SSD to download the blockchain? Im unsure if this is a viable long term solution as I've already experienced an issue with the cable. 01:38:31 Look on the bright side. At least you don't need to obsess over signs of life from FUK now. 02:12:34 Hey guys, I'm wanting to generate an rss feed that includes the author's Monero address. 02:12:49 I've read the RFC: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-7 02:13:16 This may be more of an rss question, but I wouldn't know where to ask. 02:14:28 I imagine it would look like this: 02:14:29   02:14:30       Mark Pilgrim 02:14:30       monero:47askjdfg 02:14:31   02:16:33 I copied the "application/x-paymentrequest from this: https://developer.bitcoin.org/examples/payment_processing.html#payment-protocol 02:18:20 Donky!! Where are you?? 02:32:40 anon_jasrjfbq: What's the actual question? 02:35:30 Is this the correct way to specify the payment address within an rss feed? 02:36:37 I don't think so. 02:38:48 anon_jasrjfbq: How do you mean "specify"? Do you want the payment address to appear in the RSS reader? 02:39:23 I'm writing a program that will parse it. 02:40:31 Technically I could write it any way I want and adjust my code. But, I want to follow standards, since I'm hoping others adopt it's usage. 02:43:10 I think RSS is specifically meant to be content-only. For more dynamically specified stuff, I think the RSS feed is meant to refer back to the source website. 02:43:43 https://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification 02:45:49 ok, so I'd probably use openalias from the author's specified url 02:46:05 See the section "Extending RSS". 02:47:52 anon_jasrjfbq: The short version seems to be that, for extending RSS, you should use XML namespaces according to the W3C standard. 02:51:18 I'm far from an XML guru, though, so figuring out what that means for your use case is up to you at this point -- or someone you find who knows more. 02:51:30 RSS experts might be able to help. 02:51:55 (even if they aren't familiar with Monero or Bitcoin per se) 02:52:53 What you're trying to do seems to be (in terms of how you might talk about it with someone who knows RSS (and XML) better than me) something like linking to an outside application type. 03:47:57 Like what? I don't know any other coins really 05:02:03 y is the pm spam so obsessed with cp...? 05:22:00 UkoeHB: Use /mode UkoeHB +R to get rid of the pm spam 05:22:33 makes it so only registered users can pm u 05:22:48 Reading through the atom extensions docs. I think this one is closer to what it should be... 05:22:49   05:22:50       Mark Pilgrim 05:22:50        05:22:51 05:23:07 Still going to ask around 05:25:15 That does look better. 05:25:53 except the indentation 05:28:18 anon_jasrjfbq: Should that be uri= or href= ? 05:28:44 Should we get monero mentioned in an rfc for an atom extension i.e. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4685.html 05:28:50 Also . . . I wonder if it should be something like monero://abc7askjdfg . . . 05:29:19 anon_jasrjfbq: Ask someone who's more knowledgeable about Monero than me, definitely. 05:29:28 it's definitely not :// official monero uri follows the official btc uri monero: 05:29:39 I don't know enough about the politics, or community, or anything else, to have an opinion on that right now. 05:30:46 https://monero.fandom.com/wiki/URI_formatting 05:31:47 Ah, I see. That's good to know. 05:31:55 Thanks for the address to that. 05:35:03 This is tempting... https://www.rfc-editor.org/about/independent/ 05:50:42 How do we handle recurring subscriptions? I think this is the biggest issue with crypto in order for businesses to adopt them 05:51:16 i can't see a way of doing it without smart contracts 05:51:57 also, some wallets have a feature to schedule payments 05:52:44 but i really don't see the point of subscriptions 05:53:09 if a user has the balance they can just send the payment themselves 05:55:41 businesses that rely on charging users for services they're not even using shouldn't exist 05:56:49 if a user uses a service regularly, they will know that their service has lapsed 05:57:10 when there's an interruption 06:00:21 echelon: Do you pay monthly bills? have you tried taking all of them off auto-pay? 🤣 06:00:57 yes, i pay monthly bills.. i never use auto-pay. 06:01:06 Good luck paying for gas, electricity, internet, rent, auto-insurance, renter/home-owner insurance, etc 06:01:26 Okay, so you're a psychopath lol 06:01:31 lol i don't need a service interruption to know that i need to pay my bills 06:01:36 i kid, but that's insane 06:02:15 You're either not being truthful, or you're nothing like the average person 06:03:36 you know if you pay off a credit card, and you neglect to check for a charge that should be disputed, the credit card company is not obligated to accept your dispute after the fact? they consider it a settled transaction. 06:04:35 You wait until the end of the month to look at your transactions? 06:04:40 but yeah, wallets with auto-pay features already exist.. i don't know how popular they are though 06:04:44 I check that crap at least once a month 06:04:50 I mean once a week 06:05:00 i check right before i make my payment :P 06:06:27 but anyway, i was talking about services like netflix as an example.. when i had it, there would be months where i didn't even use the service, because their content is crap. 06:06:53 netflix loves customers like that, because they generate zero overhead for them, and no bandwidth costs. 06:07:12 That's true 07:27:29 If only one of you gave Papa ChooChoo some TLC when I wrote a faster miner, instead of ignoring him, things could have happened differently https://np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/5lsfgt/_/dbz0jnp/ 08:06:29 .pause 08:06:29 Bill48105: Bot is EMERGENCY 08:06:37 .pause here ONLINE 08:06:38 Bill48105: zBot is now ONLINE for #monero@freenode 08:06:42 .balance 08:06:42 Bill48105: • Your balance is: 0.01073199 XMR (≈2.37 USD) 08:07:06 Sigyn is still here i see. thus "emergency" mode lol 10:46:24 was thinking about NFT`s. Maybe now │+hyc │ | normies will learn what the word fungible │+i2p-relay 10:46:26 │ | means -> associate `Non Fungible` with │+JamesNZ 10:46:28 │ | shitty meme tokens and search for crypto │+jato 10:46:30 │ | that is considered fungible ultimately │+jwinterm 10:46:32 │ | leading them to monero. :] 10:47:36 ignore that im a tard 10:50:54 uhu 10:53:52 I think there's a place for NFTs though. For example, you could issue 10000 shares of your company as NFTs and pay out dividends to the owner's address every month. 10:54:57 Privacy isn't the only game in town. 10:54:59 ;) 10:56:25 house deeds / car titles could be NFTs 10:56:37 public record ownership essentially 10:57:18 yes 10:59:27 btw, are there non-centralised NFTs? looks like the minting and administration is always done by a central authority 11:01:47 Not that it's its primary purpose, but... TF has custom items, which can be created and minted by anyone. And builtin dividend ability on those. 11:02:48 Though loads of extra consensus changes so security's probably iffy tbh. 11:03:59 Hello community, I am a newbie in the field of creating a node. I have found on various sites on the Internet instructions for installation, but unfortunately I could not find a clean tutorial to install the node on a RaspberryPi4 by Debian Linux (Buster). 11:04:00 In an instruction there is contradictory information about .bitmonero.conf or monerod.conf. 11:04:00 ################################## 11:04:00 source 11:04:00 https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monero-config-file/ 11:04:02 Monero Configuration File¶ 11:04:04 Applicability¶ 11:04:06 By default Monero looks for bitmonero.conf in Monero data directory. 11:04:08 To use a specific config file add --config-file option: 11:04:10 ./monerod --config-file=/etc/monerod.conf 11:04:12 The --config-file option is available for: 11:04:14 ################################# 11:04:16 could you advise me where to find a step by step instructions on the internet, how to install a node on a RaspberryPI 4 with Debian Linux (Buster). 11:04:19 best regards 11:04:21 Qay 11:05:37 The README.md file has a section about raspberry pi, though not quite your variant. Have you tried following it ? 11:06:20 Other than that, just running "monerod" should just work. 11:28:47 Hi Moneromooo, pardon for the late answer i had a call .thanks for your advisement I will read the REDME.md file. 11:35:40 Also, if you can, you probably want to sync the chain on a beefier host, then copy the chain to the rpi when done. 12:00:56 moneromooo: is it fairly fast to import a chain without verification? e.g. let's say there was a provider you trusted - e.g. a sapshot signed by Binaryfate or something 12:02:58 snnnnapshot 12:03:57 I've not done it in a long while. And chain sync got much faster (though you wouldn't have guessed reading all the people complaining), so I'm not sure. 13:33:32 on that note - wallet scanning blocks would in theory be perfectly paralellizable - assuming you can trust the block validation having been done? 13:35:04 Yes. 14:03:08 !balance 14:03:12 does this thingie still exist :o 14:04:16 .balance 14:04:16 Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0029893 XMR (≈0.68 USD) 14:04:21 !tip rupee rupees 14:04:36 !balance 14:04:38 .faucet 14:04:39 Mochi101: Of 9 ​? 4, which is 9 14:04:40 .balance 14:04:40 rupee[m]: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 14:04:40 rupee[m]: • Your balance is: 0 XMR 14:04:47 9 14:04:47 Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000075 XMR to Mochi101 [10c5d62c] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0119191 14:04:58 .balance++ 14:05:41 .balance 14:05:41 Bish: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 14:05:41 Bish: • Your balance is: 0 XMR 14:05:55 :o i once had 11 in this thingie doesn't it have a history :D? 14:06:20 11 what? 14:06:23 xmr 14:06:35 i played that weird game all the time 14:06:43 .roll 14:06:43 Bish: 6 14:08:36 Bish: if you're refering to tippero, it's a different bot. 14:08:43 ah yes i was 14:08:53 proud to be off your ignore lisst btw 14:08:59 Tippero balances are still with pony, who should be able to withdrawn manually. 14:09:19 np, I don't remember why you got in tbh, but it does ring a bell :) 14:09:32 i promise i am not malicous! 14:10:04 I don't remember why half the poeple on my list are in for either. Shrug. 14:10:41 it was just a misunderstanding and the channel got emotionnally heated up against me 14:11:53 Ah, you kept flogging a dead horse, were you. 14:12:03 As one does :D 14:12:31 uhm i don't know :D i will just stop doing whatever i did there 14:25:11 for anyone interested this is the final conclusion I had with the rss feed containing  an author's monero address. 14:25:16 14:26:02 .balance 14:26:02 sech1: • Your balance is: 0.00449065 XMR (≈1.03 USD) 14:26:14 One whole dollar, wow! 14:26:18 Got it from here: https://indieweb.org/payment#Implementations 14:26:19 This is exactly what he *wants* you to think! 14:52:36 .balance 14:52:37 hyc: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 14:52:37 hyc: • Your balance is: 0 XMR 14:52:46 * hyc is a pauper 14:53:10 what bot is that anyway 14:55:03 the bots name is Wallet and is run by Bill48105 14:55:08 .balance 14:55:09 nioc: • Your balance is: 0 XMR 14:55:38 .send nioc -100000 14:55:45 w0w 15:10:03 I think everyone here knows that most Monero exchange withdrawals and desposits are traceable (Breaking Monero - poisoned outputs). How does it feel to go out and lie to people that they are private and then earn less than holding BTC on your bag? 15:20:16 Hi moneromooo, unfortunately the configuration will not work. Basic is a Debiansystem Buster on RaspberryPi4 after creating by make in the monero folder the .bitmonero folder is missing in the home directory 15:20:22 # monerod 15:20:22 2021-03-09 15:13:53.093 I Monero 'Oxygen Orion' (v0.17.0.0-0b6bfb1fd) 15:20:22 2021-03-09 15:13:53.094 I Initializing cryptonote protocol... 15:20:22 2021-03-09 15:13:53.094 I Cryptonote protocol initialized OK 15:20:22 2021-03-09 15:13:53.096 I Initializing core... 15:20:25 2021-03-09 15:13:53.096 I Loading blockchain from folder /root/.bitmonero/lmdb ... 15:20:27 2021-03-09 15:13:53.103 I Stopping cryptonote protocol... 15:20:29 2021-03-09 15:13:53.103 I Cryptonote protocol stopped successfully 15:24:47 Add --log-level 1 15:32:06 .balance 15:32:06 Inge-: • Your balance is: 0.00508 XMR (≈1.15 USD) 15:39:32 Retiring soon Inge- ? 15:39:49 I think I need a bit more Mooonero in order to retire on that balance 15:39:57 ;) 15:40:05 but I think I have like $700 in tippero. 15:40:09 Well, assuming Satis 15:40:16 wow 15:40:16 How does the bot know your balance? 15:40:39 knowledgewizard4, bot has direct access to the blockchain. 15:44:20 Same reason your bank knows your bank balance. It has your money. 15:44:28 "your" money :) 15:50:43 moneromooo, you ever going to put an n on the end of your nick? 15:51:13 oooh 15:52:00 moneromooon 15:52:09 Really want a moon... :( 15:52:23 If any coin deserves to be valued, it's Monero. 15:52:59 Yeah, but people expect coders to do advertisement, and they can get lost :D 15:54:58 It's friggin madness btw. When we posted about Townforge on BCT, and it being a testnet, we got 3 or 4 unsollicited messages offering paid shilling. For a *testnet* coin... I can only imagine what it's like otherwise. 15:55:39 So the world is filled with dross and hidden advertisements for dross, and people aren't any the wiser. 15:56:09 Actually not quite true, we do have some advertisement of sorts from the spambot :D 15:57:01 He's a kinda coder too. Though nt one of us thankfully, so I guess it doesn't count. 15:57:23 Anyway, situation normal, the world sucks. 15:57:45 lol 15:58:32 People approached you about paid shilling for Townforge? 15:59:07 People, or bots, not sure :D 16:00:08 I kinda hate ads. It's really the entry level of scams, trying to make people change theirs minds based on emotional manipulation rather than honest logic. 16:00:11 Maybe they were looking for someone who's a bit less experienced in the scene. 16:01:02 kittens and cows oh wow 16:01:27 Just a very, very large cat with horns. 16:06:46 yee hah 428 Mbit/sec out max. love seein all the things used 16:15:01 so cryptozoidberg stated there was 2 teams before him working on the cryptonote protocol and they failed. If that`s true it`s nuts to consider how much this project was actually funded before it mysteriously showed up on bitcointalk. 16:17:28 well, their planned home run would have been astronomical if they pulled it off 16:18:22 80% ninjamine... thats a big stack they coulda sold off for a while 16:18:33 my question is: Did the cryptonote founder purposely instruct them to make a shitty premine coin; so shitty that the community would reject it and fork it? It really feels that way to me. 16:19:47 100s of thousands of dollars most likely spent to make a premine coin that would obviously be rejected? Suspect. 16:19:55 ive wandered down that wormhole as well. 16:20:27 the rejection is obvious in retrospect 16:21:01 and for some it was at the time as well 16:21:03 been here a few times but zoidbergs statement about the 2 teams prior to him made me have to rewrite the history/conspiracy in my head. 16:21:38 i dunno. i mean, you could even go as far as the notion that the existing core team is actually the original developers and they did all this so they would have a sexy origin story! 16:21:48 ^ 16:21:50 and then..... 16:22:06 and then.... ! 16:22:11 satoshi 16:22:28 no. lizard people and bildeburg is the next obvious step 16:22:32 buildaburger? 16:22:34 ah yes 16:22:48 no wait. it was obviously Q all along 16:22:57 there it is. Q made monero. 16:24:08 a while back i was doing frequemcy analysis on satoshis posts and the early users in the bytecoin/monero threads. needv to get back to that and get the strings and corkboard out 16:41:18 I hear that satoshi drank gingerale 16:46:51 I was wondering how the bot knows *who* is tied to a particular account? 17:10:46 knowledgewizard4, by your username... that's registered with freenode 17:16:52 Your monero wallet is tied to your freenode account? 17:23:09 knowledgewizard4, the bot relates it to that. 17:23:32 but the bot creates its own account for you... 17:23:45 nevermind... I can't... not right now 17:30:42 Ok then 19:09:42 How does Verge compare to Monero? 19:11:23 it doesn't 19:11:32 verge is still around? 19:14:46 assume i am stupid and know nothing about it and you won't be far off 19:14:56 username does not check out 19:15:14 ;) 19:18:14 verge holds the title for the biggest block re-org (51% attack suffered) with 200 days of blocks being erased 19:20:52 afaik knowledgewizard4 , it was bitcoin with tor built in. wooptee doo 19:21:33 tor/onion routing. as if the IP portion of cryptocurrencies txs is the important part 19:22:02 but but wraith 19:22:16 do you think monero is in danger of getting 51%'d? 19:23:44 "Verge is one of the few cryptocurrencies that support five different hashing algorithms; Namely, Scrypt, X17, Lyra2rev2, myr-groestl and blake2s." 19:24:06 in other words if someone has a bunch of hashpower that they're using for a different coin, they can just point it at a weaker coin to 51% attack it 19:24:43 monero is the only coin that CPUs mine AFAIK, so that risk is not the same 19:24:46 but never say never 19:25:21 yeah, at this point i think the biggest threat is a malicious pool op 19:25:32 but i don't think they would compromise their supposed cash cow 19:25:50 im aware that monero can't even reliably be asic mined which is impressive 19:26:03 but who knows. ppl love to exit scam and go out with a bang 19:26:04 i do feel the feasibility of mining speed from the benchmarks ive read is overly difficult 19:28:17 at least with monero full recovery from a kabal of rogue pool ops is possible. you just point your miner at your own daemon. well, i guess most miners might not do that 19:28:36 prolly don't have their own daemon going 19:28:46 and wouldn't have the patience for that variance 19:31:59 Not to immediately rush it, but I saw that tryptch dev has started and I'm super super duper excited, how long does that take to be put into code? how many rounds of audits will be done and who will do them? How long will it take to write? Will Sarange be auditing the code because he wrote the math paper? Will this be accompanied by an increase in 19:32:00 ring size? I remember seeing that ringCT vs tryptch cost was equal at about ring size = 17. 19:41:25 .pap eth 19:43:37 how long = 2 weeks from now. rounds of audits = maybe 3? who = probably the same cadre thats been doing audits for monero (quarkslab, trail of bits, forget the other one) how long to write what? sarang will probably look at it. I hope it gets a ringsize bump. 19:44:03 and the 2 weeks is a joke obvi. its 2 weeks from any moment when someone asks when its going to happen 19:52:14 Has to, it can only handle power of 2 rings, and going back to 8 would be... wtf. 19:53:18 WillSellBody4Xmr: the triptych prove/verify was already coded by sarang. 19:53:34 I've been plugging it into monero recently. 19:57:02 .soak $0.05 19:57:03 Bill48105 soaked 0.00001 XMR (0.00022602 Total) upon 13 users @ 709 minutes hyc oaaeuhujwnn Inge- Wallet Mochi101 ndorf rupee[m] moneromooo Bish sech1 Norrin nioc Gingeropolous @bonuspot (0.00009602 scraps) [aa22ed5d] 19:57:29 meow 19:57:31 Wo! 19:57:34 woof lol 19:58:05 oof oaaeuhujwnn 19:58:10 .balance 19:58:10 spammer got XMR :D 19:58:11 rupee[m]: • Your balance is: 0.00001 XMR (≈0 USD) 19:58:22 wut? i'm rich! 19:58:27 reminder that you can type .quiet to toggle mentions (nick highlights) 19:58:37 lol who's the spammer 19:59:08 oaaeuhujwnn is 19:59:12 oh oaaeuhujwnn must be reg'd lol 19:59:32 "(≈0 USD)" 19:59:34 That's encouraging. 19:59:38 kek 19:59:43 .balance 19:59:44 Bill48105: • Your balance is: 0.01050597 XMR (≈2.32 USD) 19:59:57 yeah it's less than 1 cent so.. 20:00:12 Bill48105: You have more than me. 20:00:13 .balance 20:00:13 ndorf: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 20:00:13 ndorf: • Your balance is: 0.00514154 XMR (≈1.14 USD) 20:00:33 ndorf kickin it with us monero whales 20:00:59 running out of room to park all my lambos 20:01:11 btw the default coin thing was added for pm mostly 20:01:25 so that when you do balance etc the bot knows which coin you want to use without defaulting to doge 20:01:44 seems desirable 20:02:03 if a channel has a default coin set that default is used otherwise your personal default is 20:02:29 yikes. RCE in git https://github.blog/2021-03-09-git-clone-vulnerability-announced/ 20:02:50 .help balance 20:02:50 apotheon: Help Coming Soon! 20:02:54 hmm 20:03:23 apotheon: help is on the way 20:03:33 Is this a 911 call? 20:03:42 it is now. 20:03:49 soon™ 20:04:05 I'm concerned. 20:05:00 lol how much help do you need on balance :D 20:05:49 i finally got around to working on the docs which are far from done but a good start https://bill48105.github.io/wallet/ 20:05:51 Bill48105: How do you check balance in other cryptocurrencies? 20:06:24 Oh, I see the documentation has something about that. 20:07:10 well simples is just .balances with s but you can do .btc balance or .balance ltc or .balance $doge 20:07:24 ah, plural; nice 20:07:59 .balance 20:08:00 fibonacci: • Your balance is: 0 XMR 20:08:00 most commands work in pm. some like faucet & games are disabled there 20:08:20 .911 20:08:44 Weird. I seem to have a higher USD-value Doge balance than Monero. 20:09:06 you in any doge centric channels? doge is commonly soaked/shared 20:09:08 fibonacci: swat team dispatched to your location, as requested 20:09:40 .soak $0.15 20:09:40 ndorf soaked 0.00004 XMR (0.00067752 Total) upon 14 users @ 553 minutes Inge- Bi​ll48105 moneromooo sech1 Mochi101 Norrin oaaeuhujwnn chaper Wallet nioc hyc Gingeropolous Bish rupee[m] @bonuspot (0.00011752 scraps) [ce8e7f99] 20:09:54 Bill48105: I'm not. 20:10:11 amazing people, thanks 20:10:14 nice thanks 20:10:27 .dump 20:10:34 and odd. i never ported whosent command but i could lookup who sent it to you if you cared enough lol 20:11:16 Oh, I might have some idea who it was, now. 20:11:27 I forgot that person was sometimes in this channel. 20:11:40 Are you in cat related channels ? Maybe they like to get rid of doges... 20:11:46 nope 20:12:05 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzbRffi-qDw 20:12:15 .whogot 1772354b 20:12:16 Bill48105: TOKEN NOT FOUND - Be sure to specify correct coin. 20:12:26 .doge whogot 1772354b 20:12:26 Bill48105: Odyss3us@freenode -> | chaper@freenode 0.16 | Wallet@freenode 0.16 | notmike@freenode 0.16 | spaced0ut@freenode 0.16 | moriarty@freenode 0.16 | NoImNotNineVolt@freenode 0.16 | @bonuspot 0.01 20:12:32 that's why was a soke 20:12:33 soak 20:12:40 .epoch 1525894239 20:12:40 only 25 seconds CAT WATCHING TOM AND JERRY ^^ 20:12:40 Bill48105: 89426521.49168706 (≈1035 days 42 min 1.49 sec) 20:12:48 1035 days ago lol 20:13:31 don't even recognized most of those nicks 20:13:42 ah 20:14:09 Two of them are on my /ignore list :D 20:14:13 KEK 20:14:13 looks like econometrics channel regulars from years ago 20:14:28 oh yeah Wallet has been there 20:14:30 i forgot about that channel 20:14:46 moneromooo: Is Odyss3us one of them? 20:14:54 nope, never saw that one 20:15:11 moneromooo: NoImNotNineVolt? 20:15:20 Those are my best guesses. 20:16:36 is there a monero bots/tips/spam type channel on freenode? 20:17:41 there's option on bot to redirect output to another channel if desired. in case it becomes annoying 20:17:48 moneromooo: Odyss3us was someone who literally got committed for both mental health and, I think, cocaine related reasons. 20:18:02 is be well now? 20:18:35 Bill48105: I forgot about that channel, too, until I saw those usernames. 20:18:51 as of now it's only on or off but like the old bot can be conditional like channel heat (how busy the channel is), command, etc 20:18:56 does it still exist? 20:19:03 dunno 20:19:07 my hexchat lost all channels long time ago 20:19:16 and i only joined the "important" ones lol 20:19:23 I left as it went down the tubes. 20:19:30 dont they all 20:19:35 hopefully not 20:20:25 I like this channel so far. 20:21:39 if interested, you should be aware of the other monero channels. i dunno fi they are listed anywhere. #monero-markets for price / speculation talk, #monero-pools for mining - you get to interact with a lot of noobs there as they come direct from web irc clients on pool websites 20:21:53 those are the more casual channels 20:22:07 Har. My DOGE is still higher than my XMR. 20:22:12 It's tenacious. 20:22:50 I'm not planning to mine or engage in practical Monero speculation any time soon. 20:23:18 I'd be more interested in basic economic exchange with Monero. 20:25:24 ahh cool gingeropolous thx i knew there were other topic-centric channels but wasn't aware of list or names 20:26:11 i mentioned it since the bot can get noisy especially with bridges 20:26:47 so some elect for output redirection option to still be able to use the bot at times but not be flooded 20:27:14 on the other hand some coin communities actually like the noise lol 20:27:25 some IRC channels mentioned here: https://www.getmonero.org/community/hangouts/ 20:27:53 some have me combine activity from multiple channels for soaks. so a soak in #monero includes users in #monero and #monero-pools etc 20:28:00 ahh gotcha cool thx 20:28:42 Soaks seem like motivation for people to talk. 20:29:11 indeed hopefully worthwhile talking & not shitposting nonsense though but mods/ops deal witht hat 20:29:33 the bot has revived multiple communities that's for sure 20:29:50 hmm maybe #monero-otc would be good place for the bot.. especially once i finish swap command 20:30:15 Yeah, I'd like a swap command. 20:30:25 shift all that Dogecoin to Monero 20:30:28 swap works but needs some tweaks 20:30:52 it's just a user to user cross tip with auto conversion lookup that you can over-ride 20:31:28 with so many channels it kinda spreads people thin. this one has little activity really so i'm guessing the others have little either 20:32:01 you're not even in otc channel moneromooo lol 20:32:25 Should I be ? 20:32:37 dunno guess not 20:32:47 just expected to see you in the list 20:33:06 fluffy is though 20:34:39 for swap user1 does .coin1 swap amount coin2 which walks them thru the process with confirmations. once created user2 does .coin2 swap code (code given by user1's creation) which walks user2 thru accepting 20:35:36 it's basically just a wizard that combines the .val coin1 coin2 lookup & the 2 tips in once process to make it easier & less risk since no user has to "go first" 20:35:46 Bill48105: Do you have sources for the bot online somewhere? 20:36:02 no the bot isn't public 20:36:06 just the docs are 20:36:30 bummer 20:37:08 I was thinking of asking to add it to a channel I op, but if it's not licensed appropriately it'd be . . . inappropriate. 20:37:46 licensed? i mean i can add a list of the libraries used but otherwise it's me 20:38:31 it's python with either public libraries available or custom made ones when not 20:38:39 It's an open source and open culture related channel. 20:38:51 but yeah i should add a section on docs about it 20:39:36 well i use opensource where possible but not everything is or can be or needs to be open source 20:40:42 i mean bot & daemons run on unbuntu. it's in python. all the libraries used are from PyPi etc 20:41:24 did my message come through a couple seconds ago? 20:41:31 but yeah thanks for the reminder. credit section is on my todo 20:41:35 i got disconnected 20:41:37 no ferox_thinkpad 20:41:41 ferox_thinkpad: no 20:41:53 i asked if anyone has successfully hidden assets with monero 20:42:01 is there any record anywhere of this being put to the test 20:42:10 not asking about anyone in here's personal situations 20:42:11 lol yeah let us all tell you our secrets :D 20:42:23 :P 20:42:48 Bill48105: Sure. I have shell scripts that haven't been released. It wouldn't be appropriate to have a closed source bot in the relevant channel, though. 20:43:25 Define "succesfully". I mean, do most of the outputs on the chain are succesfully hidden ? 20:43:25 that's your call. in the case of the bot there's no need to be open source imo. it would only be abused or used in bad ways 20:43:45 ferox_thinkpad: I think if the assets have been successfully hidden you won't find a record of it. 20:43:51 The chain works. There are heuristics you can make. 20:43:52 . . . kinda by definition. 20:43:58 kek 20:44:07 good point apontheon 20:44:27 i was thinking along the lines of recent examples in the courts 20:45:23 Oh, like . . . they couldn't find the assets, but could prove they "should" be findable, thus someone goes to jail for not producing them? 20:45:30 kek 20:45:33 Oh right, you mean hide from a judge ? It's not meant for that. You can reconstruct history using your secret keys, which would likely be subpoenaed. 20:45:56 Not the destination/source addresses, but they can then request the info, lest jail time. 20:47:14 what is it meant for moneromooo, if not this 20:47:32 Be hidden from people who do not have your secret keys. 20:48:32 what benefits does that impart 20:48:38 Without good opsec, you get screwed. 20:48:53 Bad opsec lands you in court with evidence you're hiding something. 20:49:27 It shields you from modern mass spying. From people who interact your you financially knowing what other things you do, who else you financially interact with. 20:49:35 You'd have to do a good enough job of hiding things that nobody can prove you did anything in court. 20:49:45 Shields you from others knowing how much money you have, or when you make txes. 20:50:29 Shields you from others knowing where you are and when, if you pay with a panopticoin for a lunch at a restaurant, a hotel, etc. 20:50:53 gotcha 20:52:44 Of course, cash is fairly effective for untraceable movements of value in meatspace, too. 20:52:55 You just need good opsec. 20:53:38 so in a way monero is the closest cash equivalent in crypto, in terms of privacy? 20:53:48 . . . kinda? 20:54:16 i.e. with good opsec = good, bad opsec = worse 20:54:30 I'm not a cryptocurrency expert (nor am I an expert in hiding assets, money laundering, or anything else like that). 20:54:48 ferox_thinkpad: Worse? Well, worse than with good opsec, anyway. 20:55:33 heh, sure 20:55:42 Monero is probably better for privacy than BCH+CashFusion even if your opsec sucks, and BCH+CashFusion is probably better than BTC under the same conditions. 20:56:06 DISCLAIMER: no warranty, not legal advice, et cetera 20:56:24 ferox_thinkpad: What kinda ThinkPad is it? 20:56:36 x220 20:56:41 ahh, nice 20:56:49 I kinda want one, or maybe an X200. 20:57:15 i love the 220, no experience with 200 but would grab one if the price was right 20:57:51 I have a T60 and an X60t, a T500 and a T510, and some later-than-X220 ThinkPads, but no X2** models. 20:58:26 nice 20:58:30 a man of refined taste 20:58:34 My understanding is that the X200 was the last model without IME, and the X220 was the last where IME could be effectively turned off, or something like that. 20:58:44 I'm typing this from a T14. 20:58:46 ferox_thinkpad: thanks 20:58:56 hmm 20:59:14 I dunno whether "X60t" is an official designation. The label on it just says X60. 20:59:19 what got you into thinkpads 20:59:29 keyboards 20:59:42 I have a Model M keyboard, too. 20:59:51 how long have you had that 21:00:08 i almost bought a unicomp knock-off but they have bad reviews 21:00:08 The fact ThinkPad TrackPoints are so awesome is also a major point of preference. 21:00:35 I have a Unicomp. It stopped working properly a few weeks after the warranty period. 21:01:10 I heard from others that they were still pretty reliable up to about a year before I got mine. 21:01:24 I didn't hear that until it was too late, though. 21:02:05 drat 21:02:12 what is your favorite keyboard 21:10:10 Model M 21:10:13 so far 21:10:48 I ordered one of these, though, and I expect to like it more: https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/ 21:11:29 Oh, you asked how long I had the Model M. This particular Model M I probably got a decade ago, give or take. 21:11:36 I had one in the '80s, too, though. 21:12:09 Someone had my current Model M and traded it for a book I had. 21:12:26 . . . thus getting me into having a Model M again. 21:13:18 im priced out of the model M market for now 21:13:24 ouch 21:13:52 sorry to hear it 21:14:46 I have an old Das Keyboard, from before the company jumped the shark, but even that isn't as nice as I'd like. Cherry MX just isn't all that great. 21:16:11 It's better than a ten dollar dishwaser-safe keyboard, of course, but so is a folding Bluetooth keyboard I got for use with my smartphone. 21:16:23 hmm 21:16:29 Maybe we should talk about Monero. 21:17:04 a model m could be traded for 2 monero im sure 21:18:50 You could probably get one that just needs some cleaning for one Monero, if you hunt for it. 21:19:57 What is EXMR FDN? 21:21:57 It seems to be some kind of Ethereum token, but I have yet to figure out what it has to do with Monero. 21:22:16 some kid in his bedroom 21:22:29 printing money 21:27:27 Did someone just hijack an association with Monero? This is weird. 21:39:45 guess i'll idle in #monero-otc to see if there's any activity to be interest in Wallet swap there 22:07:35 Had a long chat with a Bitcoin maxi. Asked him about surveillance of the Bitcoin blockchain and his response was that Lightning Network, Schnorr, and Taproot are private enough. Is this true ? 22:07:53 no 22:07:55 Private enough for what? 22:08:14 Buying things? I don’t inow 22:08:19 Not to be doxxed by your neighbour? Not enough even for that 22:08:52 LN can be traced too, Schnorr/Taproot don't hide amounts and sender/receiver 22:08:59 He was insistent that if someone pays you on the lightning network you have no idea where those funds came from 22:09:08 Taproot helps to hide atomic swaps though, hehe... 22:09:22 and by whom? Most people are not technical enough to follow those 32-steps receipes for being "private" with BTC. Those few who are technical enough then just stand out. 22:09:30 What do Schnoor and Taproot do, privacy wise? 22:09:32 Lightning isn't private. It's if everyone agrees not to tell it's private. 22:09:41 Just like you can get 95% of TXs under MimbleWimble 22:10:02 Schnorr/Taprto hide non-standard transactions (multisig/scripting), I'm not sure 100% 22:10:19 lightning network legit sucks ass. i tried to use it just cause its the only way to tip on cryptopanic 22:10:22 NickvanSaberhagn: The sender on LN finds a full chain from sender to receiver, asking each if they can get closer to the recipient 22:10:32 They severely advertise they're making a TX 22:10:33 I lost 20$ due to lightning network 22:10:45 its just stuck "pending" forever... 22:10:45 peanut butter jelly time! 22:11:06 Correction: Schnorr/Taproot don't "hide" these tx, but make them look the same as regular transactions 22:11:48 like fuck me way to be 'lightning fast' or whatever you need to wait days or weeks for your funds to be available xD idk that shit isnt actually usable for mass adoption thats for sure 22:11:49 But Taproot requires new format of Bitcoin address which arguable makes it stand out even more, so... 22:11:54 Bitcoin is broken 22:12:45 Interesting. I’m pretty knowledgeable about Monero but I didn’t know how to respond to these assertions in the moment 22:14:00 Bitcoin is 100,000 miles away from Monero's privace. Taproot is one small step, so it's 99,999.999 miles away now. Still too far away :D 22:14:30 honestly you should check this out if you are just now thinking about Moneero vs Bitcoin etc Also - solutions like the 'lightning network' can be made for Monero. there's nothing stopping this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4 22:14:39 Wake me up when Bitcoin can hide sender/receiver/amount (even just one of 3) 22:15:06 https://www.coindesk.com/irs-operation-hidden-treasure-unreported-crypto 22:15:11 hey guys 22:15:11 peanut butter jelly time! 22:15:17 what channel is this? 22:15:19 "bitcoin is private enough" should be read as "i don't care about privacy, don't know anything about privacy, and don't want to know" 22:15:20 trying to add it to element 22:15:23 dont judge me 22:15:31 xD 22:15:31 peanut butter jelly time! 22:15:50 Quotes calm down 22:16:19 peanut butter jelly time! 22:16:35 i feel you tho.. 22:18:09 dad? 22:18:20 oh sick I found the channel in element 22:48:31 NickvanSaberhagn : channel capacity matches on-chain amount. So public LN channel opens can be separated from other taproot transactions, and therefore so too can the close event 22:49:02 LN to private closed off networks shoud look identical to all other taproot transactions 22:49:11 and the spy has to be active at the time of the channel close 22:49:16 *channel open 22:52:13 there's also techniques for "probing" current balance to try and determine where money is going within LN. That one is a little trickier IMO, but there's a research paper about it (I think) 23:00:17 bitcoin does look like an anti-privacy trojan horse... 23:08:54 'Oddly, no one who was directly involved with the SIR-C missions and currently still working the Lab, remembers the name Howard Chu, except for one who vaguely recalls Eugene Chu as having a brother names Howard' 23:08:54 Ed Caro, NASA Chief Engineer. cryptogazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/1-768x1445.png 23:10:04 so he's using a freenode account to login but using a random nick 23:11:31 Is this person using a registered account and changing the primary name on the account programmatically? 23:11:41 was just checking the bot logs 23:11:51 since it does whois on joins 23:12:34 It should run "/msg nickserv info" on joins to catch what's going on with these messages. 23:14:36 i was curious because he was included on soak which isnt supposed to happen for guest users not logged into freenode 23:15:03 he was logged in 23:15:16 the account has since miraculously disappeared 23:16:02 hey jess what up fancy seein you here :D 23:16:05 :> 23:16:09 i'm everywhere mannnn 23:16:30 so he bothers to reg some random name, spew nonsense in here then delete the account? dang he needs a life lol 23:17:18 i dont think he deleted the account 23:17:27 i think someone cleaned it up off our roster 23:17:33 spring cleaning, if you will 23:18:15 he's definitely sick in the head 23:18:27 i find it pretty entertaining to watch him to it for month on end yet get through to no one 23:18:34 watch him do it* 23:18:57 anyway, shouldn't feed thy trolls 23:19:04 hmm it's odd that whois fails 23:19:13 they disconnected 23:19:16 oh whois only works when online 23:19:19 /whowas 23:19:20 whowas 23:19:24 kek 23:19:34 i normally use /ns info 23:19:58 here's a fun trick 23:20:11 /msg nickserv info jesopo| 23:20:16 does not work 23:20:18 /msg nickserv info =jesopo| 23:20:20 does work! 23:20:28 i was lookin for bot purposes to exclude from soaks 23:20:46 = means "the account this nickname is logged in to" whereas normally you're asking for the info on a registered nickname 23:20:57 hmm gotcha cool thx 23:21:10 if you want bots to know people's account names, look in to extended-join, account-notify and WHOX 23:21:22 standardised ways to get people's nickserv account names 23:22:44 bot uses who or whois depending on which irc network 23:22:55 Bill48105: Maybe exclude people who haven't been in-channel logged in for a minimum amount of time. 23:23:15 Bill48105: . . . or just check against age of the account. 23:23:27 id have to look if i store join times since most platforms dont have such a thing 23:24:00 You'd have to check past channel activity for time in-channel, yeah. 23:24:18 On the other hand, nickserv info does yield registration date. 23:24:19 remember the bot is on like 10+ platforms now so i try not to do thing that are platform specific beyond checking for account etc 23:24:22 .servers 23:24:23 Bill48105: Status: • discord: On • freenode: On • keybase: On • matrix: On • reddit: On • slack: On • hmail: On • rizon: On • oftc: On • twitch: On • telegram: On 23:24:39 oh, wow 23:24:40 okay 23:24:40 so i gotta deal with idiosyncrasies of all those 23:24:48 That seems annoying. 23:25:01 hell some platforms don't even allow bots to lookup users 23:25:08 lovely 23:25:25 i get though. spam bots love tools to lookup users :D 23:25:35 of course 23:25:57 but for cross platform tipping for example it relies on being able to verify a user exists 23:26:18 .tip u/Bill48105@reddit $0.01 23:26:18 Bill48105 tipped 0.0000445 XMR (≈$0.01) to Bill48105 on reddit [94a36434] 23:26:47 wait so is the bot accessible from the matrix side of this channel as well? 23:27:05 yes & no.. it IS on matrix but the bot has to be in a channel you are in to work 23:27:35 .whois Bill48105@matrix 23:27:35 Bill48105: Bill48105@matrix is nick/name Bill48105 with id/account bill48105:matrix.org on matrix & bot account bill48105:matrix.org@matrix 23:28:55 so yeah if the bot was in channel with or you joined a channel on matrix the bot is in you could use it, users here could tip you, the channels could be soak-bridged so soaks on either side include both etc 23:29:36 .balance 23:29:36 mfoolb: • Your balance is: 0.00618854 XMR (≈1.39 USD) 23:30:14 each platform is different in terms of using the bot. like here on freenode anyone can pm Wallet & use most functions even if not in channel with it. on reddit the bot can be used by anyone with /u/walletbot mention or message to walletbot even if the bot isn't in a particular sub reddit 23:31:15 on discord you need to be in a guild/server that has Wallet bot in it. and discord doesn't allow bots to DM users unless they are AND have DM's enabled from non friends 23:31:51 but yeah the oddities of each platform is partly why it took 2+ years to rewrite the freenode only Wallet bot to be multiplatform 23:33:40 like twitch chat is just modded irc so it was pretty easy to add BUT there is now WHO/WHOIS. to lookup users a but needs to do an API call. 23:34:52 interesting 23:35:02 so if I do 23:35:04 .balance 23:35:04 endor00[m]: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in? 23:35:19 yeah you're not logged in here on freenode under that user 23:35:25 I see 23:36:10 bridges can make some stuff confusing since the bot sees your commands but when it checks who you are logged in under it sees you're not 23:36:50 couldn't you have the bot join from the matrix side of this room as well, and have each version of it only listen to its own platform? 23:37:11 then there's the wallet daemons.. bot supports like 15 coins. granted most are bitcoin rpc compatible or close enough. monero took some effort since it has non btc rpc but wasnt too bad with the library 23:37:24 so the freenode part only listens to people from freenode, and matrix only to matrix 23:38:08 well the way matrix does bridged users is different than most bridges which use 1 bot account to relay all users under 23:39:25 cleanest way to deal with it would be have bot ignore @gateway/shell/matrix.org host mask 23:39:53 well, they're easy to spot on this side: just ignore users starting with '@freenode_' 23:40:00 i've not messed with matrix enough to know if they give OPTION to login on your bridged nick or not 23:40:27 i saw someone earlier with [m] nick use the bot & they were logged in here but figure that could be done with normal irc client 23:40:59 afaik they're a "virtual user", so they can't really log in because they're "fake" accounts all handled by the bridge 23:41:17 not sure how it's handled on the freenode side thoug 23:41:23 * not sure how it's handled on the freenode side though 23:41:55 ok so yeah rupee[m] has @gateway/shell/matrix.org host but IS logged in.. 23:42:19 (OT: btw, do you see edited messages on irc? or do they not show up?) 23:42:35 yeah it repeats it here with * prefix 23:43:02 i registered rupee on IRC. I registered rupee[m] through matrix 23:43:04 you added an h lol 23:43:28 oh so you can issue identify over the matrix bridge? 23:43:44 yeah, you just send a private message to NickServ 23:43:49 gotcha that makes sense 23:44:06 so matrix users can access the bot if they bother with that 23:44:20 .balance 23:44:21 ProjectEpsilon: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 23:44:21 ProjectEpsilon: • Your balance is: 0 XMR 23:44:33 that default coin thing only happens once 23:44:46 Neat 23:45:00 it's mostly so if you pm Wallet it knows what coin you prefer 23:45:14 You mean some people prefer other coins ? :o 23:45:17 kek 23:45:19 Impossible 23:45:37 each has pros n cons :D 23:45:44 some more cons than others lol 23:46:46 Yes, and con is a very well chosen word, I might add. 23:46:52 ;) 23:47:15 yeah that was intentional 23:47:48 on matrix side it's named walletbot not sure if matrix allows you to pm it or not 23:49:11 it's not in very many channels there. 2 dogecoin, TheHolyRoger and Wallet 23:51:57 so how does your bot handle 'privacy' (or lack of it) Bill48105 ? 23:52:45 Given "< Bill48105> .doge whogot 1772354b", I'd say "not at all" :) 23:52:54 which aspect of privacy? coin transfers? 23:53:08 well the soak is done in channel so it's seen by others anyway 23:53:20 Bill48105, I imagine your 'bot' knows what every user does 23:53:21 normally users can only lookup their own 23:53:29 well yeah how else would it function 23:53:32 looks like I can PM it, but it doesn't seem to reply? 23:53:51 did you try .ping 23:53:53 Bill48105, so your bot is just another spying service like joogle, amazon and the rest of the nsa it seems? 23:53:54 NSA? Morono protects me. 23:54:03 kek 23:54:05 thanks moron 23:54:09 morono* 23:54:20 Now, now. 23:55:06 yep, nothing seems to work in the DMs 23:55:07 but it did reply in the wallet channel 23:55:07 again if you use the bot in channel it's seen by others anyway. if you do things in pm to the bot then it's not. but obviously the bot has to log & store information on what was done 23:55:25 Bill48105, the 'bot', i.e. you 23:55:37 you love those finger quotes 23:55:38 I love you too, Bill48105 <3 23:55:49 yeah scare quotes 23:56:06 not sure you're point you're just stating the obvious 23:56:18 any user in here can log everything you say 23:56:24 at times it does seem like I overuse them. But it turns out that a lot of words have their meanings twisted. 23:56:52 right putting quotes around some things can alter the meaning 23:56:53 as2333: I'm inclined to think that if you trust an IRC bot with your privacy, you don't understand trust. 23:56:53 But it's easy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w 23:56:59 someone has to run the bot at some point, as2323 23:57:03 s/that/that,/ 23:57:09 why is quotes so noisy today lol 23:57:15 apotheon, by 'you', you mean me personally? 23:57:32 or are you using the impersonal you? 23:57:39 as2333: impersonal you 23:57:39 endor00[m] are you pm'ing wallet on freenode or walletbot on matrix 23:57:43 I should've phrased it differently. 23:57:49 walletbot on matrix 23:58:01 hmm maybe it's because you're not in a channel with it 23:58:02 I'm inclined to htink that, if one trusts an IRC bot with one's privacy, one doesn't understand trust. 23:58:03 i can pm it 23:58:14 One agrees. 23:58:29 Another one agrees. 23:58:33 Another one bites the dust. 23:58:42 I'm in the #wallet:matrix.org channel with it and I ran .balance successfully before pinging it in the DMs 23:58:51 blood in the streets 23:58:54 apotheon, well I agree. In practice the vast majority of people trust a bunch of centralized services. 23:59:07 sure 23:59:08 I read somewhere this was a popular song to be played at funerals in... Australia I think ? Aussies are really badasses. 23:59:09 yeah i never try to suggest using Wallet guarantees your privacy 23:59:14 most people don't understand trust 23:59:59 If I ever withdraw from Wallet, I'll withdraw to a designated "not anonymized" wallet.