00:00:07 That's the plan, anyway. 00:00:09 think most people understand using any service especially one in public channels has near zero implied privacy 00:00:17 Maybe I'll fat-finger something and screw it up. 00:00:30 Yeah, we're in a public channel here. 00:00:32 in this case bill's 'bot' is collecting information from people accross a bunch of networks 00:00:37 Privacy is necessarily limited. 00:00:53 again the bot can not see anything any other user cant 00:01:04 Bill48105, that's false 00:01:18 and pretty disingeneous I'd say. 00:01:22 pfft 00:01:23 as2333: Do you keep logs with your IRC client? 00:01:27 What's the diff? 00:01:30 or however you spell it 00:01:38 if "Bob" was in every channel you are in they Bob is exactly the same as the bot 00:01:48 s/disingeneous/disingenuous/ 00:01:55 to answer the implied question 00:01:56 oh it looks like the bot hasn't actually "seen" my DMs here 00:02:06 could it be because it's an encrypted chat? 00:02:11 some platforms do restrict bots in some ways. like limiting access to certain thing 00:02:19 apotheon, yeah but I don't keep logs of every single place a bot like this one is in. 00:02:19 oh yeah sorry that does not work on matrix 00:02:24 i always forget about that 00:02:35 as2333: Some people are in that many channels. 00:02:40 your CLIENT may keep log 00:02:51 once you enable logging it likely logs every channel you're in 00:03:19 again don't say anything in a public channel you're concerned with privacy over.. same with using a fricken bot 00:03:20 apotheon, I'm not in logging many channels in many IRC networks, reddit, etc, which is what the bot does. 00:03:36 "I'm not logging many channels...." 00:03:38 think you are confused on how the bot works 00:03:53 like reddit.. the bot ONLY sees mentions to the bot or messages to the bot 00:03:56 as2333: I think you failed to differentiate between "some people" and "you". 00:04:02 I don't think so, it's a point about the breadth of collection I think. 00:04:04 as2333: Maybe you're only in two channels. 00:04:17 as2333: if you are that worried about a bot logging what you write, then you should never join a public channel ever 00:04:25 again the collection is no different than any user in the same places 00:04:32 what's to stop me from saving logs of everything? 00:04:40 Disk space ? 00:04:44 ^^ 00:04:47 apotheon, well yes. There may be a few people who log as much as they can. 00:04:50 lol 00:05:03 well, it's just text... compression does wonders for it 00:05:08 apotheon, so notice the attitude here? It's kinda entertaining. 00:05:14 if you say anything in channels you should assume someone logged it. period 00:05:23 i assume freenode logs shit too 00:05:27 as2333: Most people who have a client that logs end up logging everything in every channel they're in whenever they're in those channels. 00:05:47 apotheon, yes. And you think that's the same as running a bot like bill's? 00:06:05 the part that bothers me is you're accusing me of nefarious and malicious behavior 00:06:08 in fact, the matrix bridge pretty much logs and keeps everything ever, and anyone can see all history since they joined 00:06:14 Bill48105, indeed. 00:06:21 well you can gfy too then eh 00:06:27 as2333: yes, it is exactly the same 00:06:47 endor00[m], it obv isn't. 00:06:48 it's not my fault you don't grasp the obvious. YOU'RE IN PUBLIC CHANNELS 00:06:56 Not quite the same. All the PM stuff is different, and that includes addresses and links between networks. 00:07:13 But it's opt in, so... 00:07:22 apotheon, notice the attitude, "you don't have privacy in so called 'public' places" ? 00:07:31 right im not insane 00:07:37 you aren't? 00:07:43 as2333: it obviously is. The only thing that I can't see is PMs between users 00:07:57 hate to see you walk around on public streets wonder who's listening to you say things 00:08:48 nothing requires you to use the bot.. you don't need to give it your email, ever deposit coins, ever withdraw coins.. ever pm it.. 00:08:55 as2333: What's the difference, exactly? Please explain how that's different from having your client idle in all those channels with logging turned on. 00:09:11 as2333: A bot is just a client that sometimes does things without the owner typing something. 00:09:18 in fact if you request it you can be added to the bot ignore list in which case what you say in channels isn't even seen by the bot let alone stored 00:09:28 apotheon, a bot is a centralized system that collects info on whoever uses it. 00:09:38 so is irc 00:09:40 it's not the same as logging a few channels. 00:09:53 would you like to be added to the bot ignore list? 00:09:53 he's conflating monero's privacy features with the idea that a bot should somehow be "private" as well - which is faulty logic 00:09:59 i'm more than happy to add you 00:10:14 so much faulty logic it's painful 00:10:15 but that's the thing about it: you don't have to use it 00:10:20 endor00[m], not what I'm doing and thank you for being my spokespeson - not 00:10:36 speaking of notice attitude.. 00:11:05 anyway dinner calls. feel free to let me know if you'd like to be added to bot ignore list 00:11:15 do know that my client logs you still though ;) 00:11:17 as2333: So is your client. 00:11:29 apotheon, no it isn't. 00:11:52 as2333: A typical IRC bot is a single client process whose interface is not intended for direct client-side user interaction. 00:12:09 as2333: Like an IRC client such as irssi, it can run scripts. 00:12:26 I could, if I wished, install scripts in my client, irssi, that would do the same things bots do. 00:12:43 . . . because a bot is just a client with automation, in the ircbot context. 00:12:55 Dude you have multiple people telling you that you're wrong about this. Does that not make you wonder, even for a moment: "But what if I *am* wrong about this?"? 00:13:07 That is to say: if you can write a bot, you can write a user client exactly the same way, except for some interface details because of its intended use case. 00:13:08 endor00[m], lawl 00:13:46 a few members of the mob including one clearly biased is telling I'm wrong,. so I must be wrong 00:13:57 priceless argumentum ad populum 00:14:00 Not what I said :) 00:14:09 uh oh 00:14:25 anyway, good thing this is the channel for the only privacy coin out there 00:14:51 I have written a dicebot for IRC. I am a programmer. I know what I'm saying when I say a typical ircbot is just a client that is designed to run scripts, and not to provide a user-friendly interface -- otherwise just the same as a user client. 00:14:55 But glad to see your ego is safe from being questioned by anyone - yourself included 00:15:11 the bot supports Firo (formerly zcoin) too but yeah 00:16:37 .makeitrain 00:16:41 .wutang 00:17:15 .needmoney 00:17:38 is that bot not in here? 00:17:40 .cz 00:17:48 guess not 00:18:11 .help 00:18:11 apotheon: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs: https://bill48105.github.io/wallet/ | My core commands: .balance .deposit .faucet .ping .soak .tip .val .withdraw | .help to see others | .help for more details. 00:18:41 i need to reduce the length of that help it's gotten longer than planned lol 00:18:44 does this one override monerobux, or was monerobux not in here? 00:20:41 Interesting reading the talk about logging considering every channel is relayed here to discord 00:23:25 topkek indeed Visco 00:23:35 makes ya wonder if he's trolling or not thought things thru 00:23:48 yeah, there have been a few 'interesting' comments about discord too 00:23:54 "''" 00:24:10 let me get the best one 00:24:18 as2333: I favor privacy and so on as much as the next guy -- much more than the next guy, for most "guys", in fact. I like to know the technical realities so I can best prepare for defending my privacy, though, rather than imagine that just because Bill48105 is running a bot there must be an NSA agent spying on it 24/7, though. 00:24:29 jeez this convo above is simply depressing to read 00:24:29 just don't use Discord 00:24:34 as2333: . . . and I similarly don't assume that Bill48105 is *not* an NSA agent, either. 00:24:40 again notice the attitude 00:25:00 Im not but it's safer to assume am. 00:25:06 Bill48105: indeed 00:25:22 that's what prudent sane people do anyway 00:25:30 apotheon, he is spying 24/7 00:25:40 dunno 00:25:42 Are you? 00:25:42 apotheon: I don't assume that as2333 isn't the NSA agent ;) 00:25:45 the fact that other people are too isn't too relevant 00:25:48 apotheon, no I am not. 00:25:52 endor00[m]: Hah! I beat you to it. 00:26:01 dang ninjas 00:26:08 I bet you're the real agent 00:26:14 apotheon, I'm logged in a 2 or 3 channels some days, some hours per day. 00:26:19 Spying on me typing so you beat me to it 00:26:36 That's what a spy would say 00:27:13 "just don't use Discord" 00:27:19 "just dont use xxx" 00:27:26 I have 56 "windows" open in irssi right now. Probably about 45 of them are public channels. That's only one of several IRC client instances I have open; some are on other networks than freenode. I idle on all of them, rather than shut down my client when I walk away from the keyboard. 00:27:26 "everybody does it!!!1" 00:27:34 you have no privacy in 'public' places 00:27:35 etc 00:27:36 don't talk in a public place if you don't want the public to see it 00:27:51 etc 00:27:52 oh yeah, like an NSA agent couldn't figure out how to register a matrix account and join this channel LMAO 00:27:53 NSA? Morono protects me. 00:27:53 omg rupee[m] you don't value privacy!! kek 00:28:06 big brain opsec 00:29:11 tin foil is many layers thick on this one goin on about privacy in a public channel with 373 users bridged to multiple other platforms with 1000's of users.. 00:29:16 rupee[m]: sweet monerobux was kicked from several channels 00:29:21 It's not the fault of the victim if someone victimizes the person, but for their own sakes people should make an effort to recognize the fact that some activities are naturally more dangerous than others, and talking about private things in public spaces is more dangerous than not doing so, regardless of whatever is the *ideal* condition you'd prefer. 00:29:26 The NSA join channels they want to log is a bit like a doctor operating on a patient with covid to remove every virus individually. 00:30:04 just in case, I didn't say bill is the NSA. What I said is he has the same attitude the nsa has. 00:30:16 To just get angry that someone is logging is to miss the point. If there's an understanding that logging is not culturally acceptable in a given channel, you shouldn't log there, but you also shouldn't assume nobody else is logging, and you should model your threats accordingly. 00:30:17 he and his supporters 00:30:24 i lost my nsa guidebook 00:30:34 as2333, pushing buttons since 2003 00:30:42 You left it on Tom's desk 00:30:55 as2333: What *exactly* is Bill48105 doing wrong? 00:31:11 He's littering Tom's desk with guidebooks. 00:31:11 existing 00:31:13 as2333: Am I doint something wrong for letting my client idle in the channel when I'm asleep? 00:31:21 s/doint/doing/ 00:31:22 apotheon, I think my point is clear enough. 00:31:28 No, it's not. 00:31:33 too bad then 00:31:42 Okay, point not made. Congratulations. 00:32:05 https://monerologs.net/ 00:32:14 ^ NSA prolly 00:32:30 This channel is so private 00:32:38 NSA don't look at this public channel 00:32:41 Not allowed 00:33:09 so, can we talk about monerobux? 00:33:13 they were here, saw the convo and left 00:33:22 too boring 00:33:26 My impression is that as2333's point was "If you have a bot in the channel, you clearly hate privacy, and your bot is somehow broadcasting everything somewhere else, whereas client logs are only on the computer where the client is running." That's not really how it works, but that's how the argument looks to me. 00:33:52 monerobux is best bux 00:33:59 .ded 00:34:03 .rip monerobux 00:34:03 never heard of monderobux 00:34:07 bring em back 00:34:08 nioc: I'm actually inclined to think that may be true. 00:34:09 what did it do 00:34:14 (re: best bux) 00:34:14 .summon monerobux 00:34:26 Was it ever in this channel 00:34:29 https://github.com/jwinterm/monerobux 00:34:36 maybe not 00:34:39 I speak only of the Monero cryptocurrency, though, not a bot. 00:34:41 sgp_[m]: oh, I think not 00:34:45 Yeah jw maintains it 00:34:59 ok. bye. going back to -markets 00:35:12 rupee[m]: beware I am also there 00:35:16 👋 00:35:32 I am in 37 irc channels 00:35:53 ur a data theif! 00:36:22 this is priceless: 00:36:23 ai.py 00:36:23 biden commit 00:36:24 Jan 24, 2021 00:36:25 apotheon, what I said is that the bot collects information from multiples networks 24/7. Which is not the same thing as one user logging a few channels while he's logged. 00:36:29 oshit 00:36:34 I expected that to be on one line. 00:36:52 multiple* 00:37:02 as2333 your impression about the bot is wrong 00:37:07 as2333: I collect information from multiple networks 24/7 because I have several clients running, each on its own network, and I leave my client idling there 24/7. 00:37:08 It's not run by Discord 00:37:17 apotheon, and? 00:37:32 What's the difference? 00:37:33 apotheon, you shouldn't be doing it that anyway. 00:37:54 ^ needs more finger-wagging 00:37:59 Why not? If someone wants to say something to me when I'm not sitting in front of my keyboard, I still want to be able to see it when I get back. 00:38:13 It turns out IRC is not exactly sychronous. Sometimes an answer comes hours later. 00:38:16 apotheon, now what's your point? 00:38:17 Maybe your threat model needs to cover the potential that someone else collects info you make public in a public channel 00:38:18 . . . such as when I'm asleep. 00:38:28 as2333: My point is "Why not?" as I said above. 00:38:30 I don't think the impression is wrong. It's a quantitative difference. 00:38:41 You seem to think communication is not allowed except in short bursts. 00:39:04 apotheon, your point seems to be an attempt to gradually go from X to Y while ignoring that X and Y are different. 00:39:10 apotheon, a sophism 00:39:15 What are X and Y? 00:39:16 Well the Discord bot isn't run by Discord if that means anything 00:39:26 It's also not something anyone else can't do (save the PM stuff). 00:39:40 apotheon, X is logging a few channels. Y is logging a lot more of stuff in a lot of different networks. 00:39:43 I stand by my original statement, a public chat channel that you encrypt is like a library where everyone can check out any book they want but only if they are wearing a floofy pink hat. 00:39:53 as2333: What if I'm an active participant in those networks? 00:40:00 Am I only supposed to use one network? 00:40:04 apotheon, .... 00:40:24 I'm trying to figure out where I become an evil person in your definitions. It's not clear to me. 00:40:44 I have a pink hat but it's not floofy 00:40:45 knowledgewizard4: was that sarcasm ? I'm not getting it otherwise :D 00:41:18 my hat isn't pink :( 00:41:27 moneromooo: I think the idea is that it's a public channel, so encrypting it doesn't mean much, or something like that. 00:41:30 I have about 80 hats so.... 00:41:41 nioc: Is your name Bartholomew? 00:41:44 apotheon, so you see no difference between bill or pepe running a system that collects information from a lot of different places and allows only him to access that information, and ocasional users ocasional logging a chnnnel while they are ocassionaly online? 00:41:56 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_500_Hats_of_Bartholomew_Cubbins 00:41:57 apotheon: no :) 00:42:36 as2333: I do see a difference. The difference is that some people are more interested in IRC communications. 00:42:48 apotheon, ... 00:43:18 omg some monerians have even been over to my house 00:43:19 yeah man it's just like, "if you do these Three Annoying Tasks™️ - then you can be a part of our library which is public to everyone who does these Three Annoying Tasks™️" 00:43:30 as2333: What if you walk away from the keyboard for three minutes in the middle of a discussion to get a drink? Should you log out when you walk away, and log in when you get back? 00:43:51 as2333: How long should I be away from my keyboard, or just working in a different workspace on the computer, before I have to log out of every channel? 00:44:16 apotheon, you're right, there's no different between stealing 1 cent, or stealing 10 millions. Or not stealing at all. 00:44:23 difference* 00:44:28 Okay this conversation is boring and has no real relevance to Monero 00:45:01 Oh, so if I *blink*, I'm effectively stealing one cent, but if I walk away from the computer for an hour I'm stealing $36. 00:45:06 how would you regulate the "critical mass of too much" that you are suggesting should be regulated? 00:45:08 . . . unless I log out. 00:45:20 I should log out every time I look away from the screen to avoid being a penny-thief. 00:45:36 sgp_, I didn't actually mean to ping you. But hey this is a 'public channel' 00:45:38 knowledgewizard4: What? 00:45:46 knowledgewizard4: Oh, never mind I get it. 00:46:01 It.... Is a public channel 00:46:13 or something 00:46:39 as2333: Should I log out of the channel if I stop to rub my eyes for a few seconds to avoid committing a micro-aggression? 00:46:57 apotheon, I think the way your sophism works is clear. And of course you didn't answer my question. 00:47:04 Maybe it's about time to pick another conversation 00:47:07 What was the question again? 00:47:21 back to watching cat videos, there is a very special channel with 7 years worth of videos and I have a long way to go yet 00:47:22 I'm having a difficult time finding question marks in your messages. 00:47:25 What color pink is your hat 00:47:34 dammit 00:47:37 found a bug in the client 00:47:39 knowledgewizard4: I'm noncompliant. My hat is black. 00:47:44 What color pink is your hat 00:47:47 apotheon, you see no difference between different degrees of...anything. Be it spying, 'logging' or anything else. 00:47:48 It does have some blue on it, though. 00:47:59 as2333: I see a difference between degrees. 00:48:05 i love the new pink it suits you beautifully 00:48:06 . . . but that still wasn't a question. It was an accusation. 00:48:19 apotheon, but the difference doesn't really mean anything. 00:48:25 as2333: I'm just trying to figure out if you *actually think it's immoral to not look at the screen for one full second without logging out*. 00:48:37 00:48 < as2333> apotheon, but the difference doesn't really mean anything. 00:48:46 Is that supposed to be a statement, or an accusation, or a question, or what? 00:49:12 Pls 00:49:14 I do think there is a difference between killing one person and killing one million people. 00:49:19 I'm loving brain cells 00:49:22 apotheon, it's a statement. I called your 'argument' a sophism a few times. 00:49:24 * I'm losing brain cells 00:49:27 as2333: No hate intended but literally how do you want to regulate the Too Much problem you are suggesting exists? 00:49:32 as2333: I don't know what you think is my argument. 00:49:41 as2333: The things you're saying don't seem to address anything I actually said. 00:50:00 apotheon, .... 00:50:44 as2333: If you could just answer one of my questions substantively, and refrain from accusing me of not answering questions that aren't even visible on the screen, I think we'd make some progress. 00:51:08 moneromooo pls this channel is unusable 00:51:10 Maybe you could convince me of something if you said something concrete and directly connected to something I said. 00:51:25 whatever 00:51:27 lost cause 00:51:37 time to be evil by not saying anything for a while but still being logged in 00:51:45 just less evil than if I do it for longer, with a bot 00:51:53 lawl 00:51:56 You two should DM each other for this convo, would be super cute 00:52:18 Jeez, can we like talk about Monero maybe? Get a room you two Haha 00:53:21 Has anyone used Kraken's new buy with bank account 00:53:29 Yes I have 00:53:38 Easy? 00:53:49 synapse method. Very easy 00:54:25 I went to my local branch with the wiring info. Cost me $30 . Funds appeared in Kraken mexty day. Bought Monero and withdrew 00:54:39 * I went to my local branch with the wiring info. Cost me $30 . Funds appeared in Kraken next day. Bought Monero and withdrew 00:54:54 I pmed you apotheon 00:54:59 With the wire info? 00:55:05 ugh 00:55:08 I thought I was done. 00:55:41 Yeah, when you select Synapse as the wording method, below they list which bank and all the info needed to wire to a bank account linked to Kraken 00:55:57 * Yeah, when you select Synapse as the wiring method, below they list which bank and all the info needed to wire to a bank account linked to Kraken 00:56:12 sgp_[m]: I tried using Kraken's thing, and it didn't work for some reason. I dunno. It wasn't obvious and straightforward when I looked at it. 00:56:45 It told me Synapse wasn't available. 00:57:39 sgp_ feel free to PM me. I've wired usd twice in the past two weeks. There are other wire methods listed as well...same process. Just bring to local branch in person 00:57:39 The fees are similar to Coinbase for buying BTC that way right? 00:58:23 I've only ever wired to/from Kraken 00:58:52 It depends on your bank. My bank charges $30 for every wire regardless of amount. If I upgrade my bank accounts (have to have a minimum balance across accounts) wiring is free. Check with your bank for sure 00:59:14 Sounds like Chase lol 00:59:17 * It depends on your bank. My bank charges $30 for every wire regardless of amount. If I upgrade my bank accounts (have to have a minimum balance of $7.5k across accounts) wiring is free. Check with your bank for sure 00:59:21 Lol 01:00:02 I set up a Fidelity connection for free wires to Kraken 01:00:40 That's beautiful 01:03:04 Wait where do you get free wires for only $7.5k balance? 01:03:17 Chase is $150k for that 01:03:42 sgp_ People's United Bank 01:05:24 This is the WORST mobile website lol 01:06:43 That's a pretty solid account though, thanks for sharing 01:07:10 sgp_ absolutely!! :) 02:35:03 Are people interested in an open-source monero payment gateway, or btcpay-server good enough? 02:47:48 People use btcpay-server , but there are plenty of other options 02:47:52 See here: https://github.com/monero-integrations/ 02:48:07 Are you looking to contribute? 02:48:37 Someone asked for a bigcommerce integration recently 02:55:06 I think btcpay-server is the only platform agnostic gateway. But you still need to create a plugin for whatever sales platform you're using - no way around that. 02:58:11 yes people are interested 02:59:02 Tell me more please. What's missing from existing ones that you'd like to see? 02:59:52 All ecommerce websites allow you to have multiple payment options, so not sure why we need to rely on btcpay-server. I could be misinformed. 03:02:14 anon_jasrjfbq: If we don't rely on btcpay, what would you use instead of it? 03:02:33 Platform specific wallet integrations? 03:04:52 monero-wallet-rpc 03:04:54 what do you dislike bout BTCPAY? 03:05:41 I don't have a strong opinion about btcpay, I have never used it. 03:06:47 I know what I don't like 03:06:59 it's woocommerce plugin is a dumpsterfire. I'm surprised it works 03:07:13 I could/should rewrite that 03:08:38 One other thing I don't like is that it exposes all of that sensitive payment information behind a login-wall 03:08:45 so BTCPAY has different plugins for different ecommerce platforms? does it allow you a simple http or graphql endpoints for payments api? 03:08:55 That's just bad practice. That should be a on a different port. And not accessible by any IP 03:09:51 I'm sure it has an api. But the different ecommerce platforms still need to interact with it, so a plugin is needed to talk to the API 03:10:05 Yeah, btcpayserver has endpoints and packages in different languages. 03:11:16 I also don't like that it's creator refers to monero as a shitcoin ;( It will always be a second class citizen 03:11:50 do you mean that you can login and see your payments and customers? or something else? 03:12:08 There's also been demand for a Point of Sale system, do you want to work on that? 03:12:14 https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/t-900-monero-x-odoo-integrations/us/30 03:12:29 Taking a look 03:13:02 >do you mean that you can login and see your payments and customers? or something else? 03:13:03 Yeah that. I don't like that anyone can attempt to log in. It's too much surface area available for an attack 03:13:58 t-900 already finished that, I think. If not, he's actively working on it 03:14:25 * > 03:14:25 do you mean that you can login and see your payments and customers? or something else? 03:14:25 Yeah that. I don't like that anyone can attempt to log in. It's too much surface area available for an attack 03:14:40 * >do you mean that you can login and see your payments and customers? or something else? 03:14:40 Yeah that. I don't like that anyone can attempt to log in. It's too much surface area available for an attack 03:14:48 * "do you mean that you can login and see your payments and customers? or something else?" 03:14:48 > Yeah that. I don't like that anyone can attempt to log in. It's too much surface area available for an attack 03:14:54 * "do you mean that you can login and see your payments and customers? or something else?"Yeah that. I don't like that anyone can attempt to log in. It's too much surface area available for an attack 03:15:03 Isn't this solvable through 2-factor auth? 03:15:25 Ohh shit. SOrry guys. I didn't realize my edits on matrix was spamming IRC 03:16:13 2FA protects against password compromises and guesses, not an implementation bug 03:39:24 Is People's United the agreed upon best bank atm? 03:39:27 Fiat 03:41:41 do you mean that you can login "> as a shop owner its really useful to have an easy way to check on successful and failed payments linked to a customer 03:42:20 Shouldn't your ecommerce platform support that? 03:43:20 well it could but say like with woocommerce and stripe for CC payments. woocommerce doesnt have all the features of logging into stripe 03:44:30 and if the platform had all that info then its possible to exploit it like you worried about for the payment processor login 03:45:36 It could. Good platforms would have that info not exposed to the web either. I don't consider WooCommerce the paragon of good security :p 03:46:27 But even given thats the case, I'd rather have that info in one place and securing that instead of multiple places. Where WooCommerce has more eyes on it than btcpay-server 05:10:55 When Tari finally comes out, will you dump your Monero to buy it? Will others? 05:36:21 Hi community, unfortuantely I had yesterday a break ( using c&p for add information to the chat). Could you give me please an advisement about the installation of monero to a RaspberryPi4. The installation on the card has been done succeccfully in a Debain Buster system and "make" has been done successfully but in this configuration there is the file .bitmonero missing. After this I Debain system has been installed new and 05:36:21 monero has been added again, by starting the make order the same issue will be displayed in HOME> no .bitmonero folder. The monerod is not running. Is this a known issue ??? Thanks for advisement 08:50:27 i wanted to try out monero, i setup a gui wallet, left xmrig running on a weak box all night, the wallet is still empy with no pending or anything? i will paste any log/info you need for debugging 08:51:24 Oh it WILL be empty for quite some time, until you reach payout limit. Check pending balance on your pool's dashboard. 08:52:12 how do i check the pool's dashboard? 08:52:26 https://xmr.pool.gntl.co.uk/#/dashboard 08:52:39 where is the pending balance? 08:55:20 does the dashboard look at your ip? because i'm mining from a different box which has no gui browser as well 09:00:47 hi what is a reliable online monero wallet which does not require me to run a node? 09:02:46 oshobaba, https://mymonero.com/ 09:16:08 Really great interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TdRor-xFp0 Is cryptozoidberg in this chat? 09:45:00 qay-12: run with --log-level 1, see if you get an error 09:59:49