01:52:51 <afrjvhqxum> Do you also secretly wisth your mother was Howard's groupie? https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/bxl87y/it_has_been_a_5_years_since_monero_was_released/eq7qior/
01:59:35 <apotheon> Howard Jones?
03:49:59 <gingeropolous> Joan Jetson?
09:43:13 <pqcjkdgkmsrh> twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683
09:43:13 <pqcjkdgkmsrh> Last time I got an award like that was in a primary school football team. It had three stars too and said that I'm special :')
09:43:13 <pqcjkdgkmsrh> I just binned it though instead of showing it off to naive groupies. What kind of preson takes a group achievement award and presents it as a proof of their individual prowess anyway?
13:40:42 <rupee[m]> truly embarrassed for fukface how lame these zingers are
13:58:22 <kayront-> http://27blltx6kt26k65umbs2tme6rhv4i7rhagnzzljp3bsoqfkj6w364sqd.onion/monero-defi-you-and-the-future-of-privacy.html new content omnomnom
15:25:57 <yanmaani> Where can you exchange BTC for XMR without KYC at reasonable fees?
15:26:05 <yanmaani> "instant exchange" works, but it's expensive and annoying
15:26:14 <yanmaani> I want a "real exchange" with an account and stuff where I can log in with Tor
15:48:57 <sech1> TradeOgre
15:56:30 <sethsimmons> And this is why you have transaction fees 🙃 https://www.reddit.com/r/nanocurrency/comments/m2h9p7/the_network_is_essentially_halted_right_now_and/
16:08:12 <selsta> sethsimmons: probably only takes one large botnet to completely spam the network
16:08:41 <sethsimmons> If that, the PoW is not very extensive and is probably prone to simple ASICs
16:09:00 <sethsimmons> I doubt it's worth that, but interesting to see some of the clear issues of Nano finally being pointed out "in prod"
16:09:31 <selsta> their PoW is quite bad for casual users, you basically need a GPU or wait minutes to generate PoW
16:09:52 <selsta> or you use a centralized PoW generator service
16:10:55 <sethsimmons> But muh no fees selsta
16:11:20 <sethsimmons> It's almost like... fees exist for a reason in almost every network :D
16:26:55 <NickvanSaberhagn> Haha exactly
16:27:09 <NickvanSaberhagn> There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch
16:38:12 <tqalvcgocf> If only one of you gave Papa ChooChoo some TLC when I wrote a faster miner, instead of ignoring him, things could have happened differently https://np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/5lsfgt/_/dbz0jnp/
16:50:45 <apotheon> I'm guessing the spammer didn't actually write that miner.
17:09:01 <gingeropolous> who knows and who cares
17:27:00 <apotheon> gingeropolous: I just found the phrasing that implied the spammer wrote it amusing.
17:47:51 <qay> Hi community,    I m a little bit frustrated after the new install of Debian Buster 32 bit on netbook and installation of the monero stuff..... monerod will not working.     All steps from the github manual (readme.md) has been done but by adding the command monerod --detach the error message will be back  like the installtion yesterday ..... command not found.... same when using --log-level 1      Is there another
17:47:51 <qay> installation manual known ?   Could it be that the kernel update of the Buster make any trouble ???
17:49:48 <angrymonkeyboi[m> qay: is monerod in your path?
18:04:12 <qay> angrymonkexboi : beg my pardon, could you please explain what the meaning is of the path... installation of monero folder has been done under home/username/ monero ,,, installation has been started by make from user profile  in monero/build/Linux/master/release/bin all files are displayed .... and now nothing is working
18:04:47 <moneromooo> What is the exact command you're trying to run ?
18:05:05 <moneromooo> If "monerod --detach", this is wrong: you need: "monero/build/Linux/master/release/bin/monerod --detach"
18:06:17 <qay> moneromooo : oh what the fu... ok I ll try ...
18:11:31 <qay> moneromooo: you made it !!! now the fork is running  .... Is it possible to send a notification to the owner of the github /monero-project/readme.md.... Because I think the community will not have any inflow if the documentation is not descibed well
18:11:42 <qay> Thank you very much
18:12:17 <moneromooo> So what were the issues ? Anything other than using the wrong path ?
18:13:09 <qay> Now the fork is running. It was the wrong path
18:13:35 <moneromooo> I can add a note about it in the README. But it's basic linux usage really.
18:13:45 <qay> but now how is it possible to see the sync is running well, I think the documention on github can be ignored
18:14:06 <moneromooo> monerod sync_info
18:14:15 * moneromooo waits to see if the penny dropped
18:14:34 <moneromooo> (or monerod status for a shorter output)
18:15:41 <moneromooo> Hmm. Looking at the README, it says: Add `PATH="$PATH:$HOME/monero/build/release/bin"` to `.profile`
18:15:56 <moneromooo> Did you do this ?
18:16:10 <moneromooo> I'll add ~ and source too.
18:16:32 <ndorf> moneromooo: needs `export PATH` i think
18:18:16 <qay> the instructions are not clear on the redme.md .... with the information the job is working well now
18:18:17 <moneromooo> I don't think so, let me try...
18:18:45 <qay> yes I have added the line to .profile and made a reboot but nothing happens
18:18:47 <moneromooo> Meh, I'll add anywya, cna't hirt.
18:18:58 <ndorf> moneromooo: directly from the shell, it will work without export, but then fail from a script, or subshell, etc
18:19:56 <moneromooo> But .profile is sourced, isn't it ?
18:20:09 <moneromooo> Anyway, I added export.
18:20:14 <qay> now I can't start the monerod sync_info or monerod status .... same as before .... command not found
18:20:28 <moneromooo> Right. You understand why now, right ?
18:20:34 <ndorf> without export, it's a local shell variable, not an environment variable. so, visible only to the process that sourced .profile (the login shell), not any children
18:21:08 <ndorf> qay: you need to point it to the correct directory, if it's not $HOME/monero
18:21:45 <ndorf> qay: there is also no reason to reboot, you just need to do: source ~/.profile
18:22:13 <moneromooo> The README had .profile, not ~/.profile :)
18:22:33 <ndorf> oops
18:22:34 <moneromooo> So if you're a noob, chances are you'll write to ~/monero/.profile.
18:22:35 <ndorf> oh!
18:22:58 <ndorf> build/release/bin vs build/Linux/master/release/bin
18:23:51 <moneromooo> Ah yes, thanks, default changed. Fixed.
18:25:47 <ndorf> i guess at the moment most people would actually want to build release-v0.17, not master?
18:26:40 <moneromooo> Ugh. Checking out the tag, it goes to build/"Linux/_HEAD_detached_at_v0.17.1.0_"/release
18:26:59 <qay> moneromooo: no I have not ..... where I have to add export ???
18:27:04 <ndorf> the tag, yes. the release *branch* works nicely though :)
18:28:20 <moneromooo> Alright, fixed again :)
18:28:56 <moneromooo> qay: you give the right path again, same as before.
18:29:02 <moneromooo> ie, build/..../monerod status
18:29:19 <moneromooo> You'll have to do that a lot if you're on Linux, it'll pop up everywhere.
18:29:46 <ndorf> another option is to just install the binaries to /usr/local/bin. either manually, or `sudo make install` in the build/.../release directory
18:32:30 <qay> ndorf : I did this before .... to install the binaries to usr/local/bin .... message from system by add monerod --detach >>> command not found.
18:33:13 <moneromooo> You need to add /usr/local/bin to your PATH if it's not. echo $PATH will show it.
18:33:41 <ndorf> by default it's the first entry in PATH on debian
18:33:56 <ndorf> qay: what's the output of echo $PATH
18:39:34 <qay> ndorf: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin .... is the result under root
18:40:06 <ndorf> what's the result under the normal user you plan to run monerod as?
18:41:26 <qay> under user : /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
18:42:18 <ndorf> and ls -l /usr/local/bin/monerod ?
18:42:37 <qay> if I type monerod --detach .... message .... command not found
18:42:50 <qay> little moment please
18:44:30 <qay> the system reported >> file can not be found
18:44:39 <ndorf> right. so, you didn't put the binaries in /usr/local/bin
18:45:19 <ndorf> you can EITHER do that, or change your PATH to point at the build directory as moneromooo instructed earlier. you don't need to do both, just one
18:45:50 <qay> today yes... because yesterday this way has not been working well and today I used for installation the readme.md
18:46:17 <qay> from
18:50:08 <qay> Ok .... I will do this ...... Big Thanks for your advisement moneromooo and ndorf.... One step closer ;O)
20:06:54 <NickvanSaberhagn> Went into a room of Bitcoin maximalists on Clubhouse and asked if there are any weaknesses in BTC. The fifteen speakers couldn’t really come up with any. I very kindly asked to hear their response to the centralization of the chip fabrication plants that produce the hashrate and promptly got kicked from the room.
20:08:49 <NickvanSaberhagn> I like Bitcoin a lot but it’s amazing to me to see the groupthink in it right now
20:09:50 <as2333> they don't have arguments but they have the ban hammer!
20:11:06 <apotheon> NickvanSaberhagn: Maybe they hear so much shit from people that is akin to what the spammer keeps saying here that they just figure everyone who isn't a known friendly member of the community and brings up something that seems slightly critical must be a troll.
20:44:48 <NickvanSaberhagn> Right.
20:46:00 <gingeropolous> lol. its like they plug there ears and hopes it goes away
20:46:24 <NickvanSaberhagn> Well it sort of converts me into a real concern troll. Originally I was just curious to hear their thoughts but with all these consistent rejections of asking the question it almost makes me want to enter their circles with the adversarial goal
20:46:37 <NickvanSaberhagn> Of getting them to doubt their assumptions
20:47:03 <gingeropolous> which it seems they do. there's either the hope that asic efficiencies maximums will force the free market to behave more better
20:47:22 <gingeropolous> or the notion that if sha256 "fails", then they'll just fork to something different
20:47:30 <gingeropolous> i can only imagine that 30 year conversation
20:47:38 <NickvanSaberhagn> Ha Bitcoin and fork in the same sentence. That’s a laugh
20:48:00 <gingeropolous> if the scaling debate took 7 years and resolved with .... i dunno what. can't imagine.
20:48:06 <charolastra> oh come on. you went  the fully intending to troll, lol
20:48:12 <gingeropolous> im honestly scared that they'll go "oh, this randomx looks nice. thanks"
20:48:17 <NickvanSaberhagn> I did not charolastra
20:48:34 <NickvanSaberhagn> I’m genuinely interested to hear their concerns of
20:48:40 <NickvanSaberhagn> Their own project
20:48:48 <gingeropolous> and then monero will be merge mined hopefully
20:48:55 <NickvanSaberhagn> I wish they had a Breaking Bitcoin community led project
20:48:56 <charolastra> but you already know their answer, don't you?
20:49:00 <NickvanSaberhagn> No
20:49:06 <NickvanSaberhagn> I know XMR s answer
20:49:35 <hyc> lol...
20:50:01 <hyc> they believe their code is immutable and inviolable. therefore there can be no such thing as a Breaking Bitcoin project
20:50:22 <NickvanSaberhagn> Was the Segwit thing a hard fork? SWHF or whatever?
20:50:29 <hyc> UASF
20:50:32 <NickvanSaberhagn> Right
20:50:35 <hyc> user-activated soft fork
20:50:41 <NickvanSaberhagn> Oh gaha
20:50:46 <NickvanSaberhagn> Definitely not a hardfork
20:50:58 <hyc> nope. they don't believe in hard forks.
20:51:48 <NickvanSaberhagn> Well I started in Monero before Bitcoin so I haven’t really been exposed to the maximalist culture before and it was quite eye opening
20:51:59 <NickvanSaberhagn> Glad to be part of this project. So much more integrity here
20:52:02 <gingeropolous> well its kinda not? you could fire up some bitcoin 0.00whatever client and still submit a tx to the network afaik
20:52:13 <gingeropolous> can't do that with moneta
20:54:22 <gingeropolous> yes... no ?
20:54:33 <hyc> pluses and minuses. Just ask Microsoft, Intel or IBM about perpetual backward compatibility
20:55:29 <hyc> As I recall, all IBM/370 machines had a complete IBM/360 VM/emulator built in
20:55:51 <hyc> probably still true of IBM/370 on current /390 architecture
21:02:59 <NickvanSaberhagn> I think Monero has and will continue to benefit from Bitcoins risk aversion. It is making crypto accepted which is helpful to us
21:13:02 <hyc> it is only helpful if we aren't lost in the noise, and forgotten as flashy new scam projects hit the scene
21:15:57 <Mochi102> hyc, like Polkadot, and Uniswap, and Chainlink, and Theta, and Wrapped BTC, and AAVE, Solana, Terra, Cosmos and Avalanche???
21:16:35 <hyc> to name a few ;)
21:38:06 <diverter[m]> <NickvanSaberhagn "I’m genuinely interested to hear"> Can't speak for them but I would imagine anyone trying to be fair would say more widely geographically distributed ASIC and chip manufacturing would be very nice, I hesitate to say its too much of a "concern". If I could choose, I would surely like to see more, and iirc there is a large plant slated to open in North America in the next few years, remembering an
21:38:06 <diverter[m]> announcement from someone.
21:38:57 * diverter[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/hADVKviWbaBZbYPFrZEInBEb/message.txt >
21:39:19 * diverter[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/lzmmexcsHCzVWnekazAjjKTq/message.txt >
21:47:20 * diverter[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/KrutAgDcIUihRdTkQfntSClG/message.txt >
22:00:43 <apotheon> ugh
22:00:55 <apotheon> The way the matrix bridge handles multiline messages and edits is atrocious.
22:01:00 <apotheon> I fucking hate it.
22:11:42 <diverter[m]> Agreed
23:29:36 <kvrfasrgoeff> FIY, you want to know why you are getting those daily messages? Cults NEED to control information. That's why people like lh1008 get savagly attacked (also called disconnection) for even talking to me. Break the information embargo, break the cult. Who would sign up to Scientology if they knew from the get-go that is is about a sci-fi alien overlord? Who would sign up to MAGA if they knew what a los
23:29:36 <kvrfasrgoeff> er Trump is?
23:29:36 <kvrfasrgoeff> You don't sign up to MAGA to do a failed Viking LARP and some time off in club fed. You sign up because you feel like shit and they promise to give you self-respect. It is a total lie of course, you are still a joke even when cosplaying a Viking. Just like Monero's promise of privacy is a lie.
23:33:14 <as2333> too bad kvrfasrgoeff is an anonymous coward
23:35:48 <manifest> when you're too afraid to have a discussion and just yell shit from the sidelines instead
23:43:32 <oslogrigor> Hey all! I'm curious about Monero and am wondering what you guys think of investing in it. Any input at all is appreciated. :)
23:44:39 <manifest> there's probably better cryptos out there for making money if xmr/btc keeps doing what it's doing
23:44:54 <manifest> but if you feel like trying to catch the bottom of it, be my guest
23:45:14 <manifest> also, #monero-markets for trading etc. discussion
23:45:33 <hyc> xmr is for use as a currency, buying and selling products & services
23:45:40 <hyc> not for investing
23:45:53 <hyc> I mean... some people invest in currenies, fair enough.
23:46:08 <hyc> trading dollars vs yen vs pounds whatever
23:46:19 <oslogrigor> I see. I'm looking at a wide range of cryptos and this one has always struck me as worth a damn.
23:46:19 <Quotes> CRYPTO IS NOT CRYPTOCURRENCY ಠ_ಠ ~ IT REFERS TO CRYPTOGRAPHY, oslogrigor
23:46:29 <oslogrigor> oh
23:46:35 <manifest> :D it's just a bot, np
23:46:54 <oslogrigor> lol
23:47:16 <hyc> be nice or you'll hurt its feelings :P