02:31:49 #monero-pools:matrix.org 03:25:40 what on gods earth is waifutoken.io 03:30:08 the end of the universe 03:46:07 i mean, at least there's a monero waifu 04:05:47 that's "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M WITH HOOK" 04:06:20 ooh thanks for the knowledge. i am slightly improved 04:06:36 .balance 04:06:37 endogenic: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 04:06:37 endogenic: • Your balance is: 0.00514846 XMR (≈1.22 USD) 04:06:51 .tip u9000[m] .0000001 04:06:51 endogenic: User 'u9000[m]' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account 04:07:01 D: 04:08:36 thank you though :-) 04:08:43 * thank you though :D 04:43:53 why is this in monero-ecosystem? https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/dont-buy-monero-sticker 05:45:42 Botomic Swap kek 05:46:18 i ended up renaming swap to xtip to better convey what is happening & less confusion that the bot is converting your coins for you 05:47:18 sounds good 05:49:43 got users testing it and ironing out some usability stuff but basically functional and great feedback 06:33:38 How hard is it to move from one of the popular desktop or smartphone wallets to a full node later? 06:36:00 What kind of person steals from their own community? www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d5yt5/what_fluffypony_just_did_is_not_ok/ 07:07:08 3 years ago? pfft 08:03:55 Hi 12:47:48 Did you know that all witdraw-buyer-seller-depoist chains are trackable in Monero? No? You should have read Breaking Monero. How many people are you endangering with your 'privacy' coin? 13:46:46 Hi guys. How to find an author moneroworld.com? 13:48:06 gingeropolous: ^ 13:49:11 Thank. He linked to you on his website. 13:53:40 Andrew[m]6, hi 13:54:10 Hi 13:54:22 whats up? 13:54:37 I am from Russia, newbie here. Such chats are unpopular with us. 13:54:46 hehehe 13:55:34 Now I will translate, write, a minute 14:29:10 This chat was popular 25 years ago. Probably also in Russia :P 15:01:36 * Andrew[m]6 < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/czlFyjXRnmIzTFXZTdbNZvIv/message.txt > 15:02:20 I have a normal Internet connection of 100 mb / c in 2005 just delivered. Anyway, IRc is not in vogue with us. ICQ was the most popular. Now WhatsApp and Telegram. 15:12:04 yeah whatsapp now gives your data to facebook and they get to share it with everyone 15:12:13 very nice of them 15:12:29 so vogue 15:20:26 gingeropolous: The author of the site moneroworld.com was pleased, did I not try in vain? 15:22:59 E Exception in main! Failed to enumerate txpool tx blob 15:22:59 MDB_BAD_VALSIZE: Unsupported size of key/DB name/data, or wrong DUPFIXED size 15:23:12 any reason for this monerod crash? 15:23:24 it worked without issue earlier 15:24:00 sometimes it sync to latest block and crash after 1-3 minutes 15:28:32 hi folks, I'd like to allow my website's users to accept Monero, in the easiest - for them - way possible; any suggestions before I get started, perhaps some must-read documentation, or library? 15:29:14 norbert, more info 15:30:24 norbert, you haven't really given enough information to make any type of suggestion 15:31:05 hi Mochi101, my website is a video platform similar to BitChute, that allows users to publish their own content 15:32:04 and you want to set it up to be able to accept monero on their behalf and allow them to withdraw it or claim it when they want? 15:32:05 norbert: btcpayserver supports monero as well as other cryptocurrencies 15:32:07 it already has monetization options (Patreon, PayPal.Me, SubscribeStar and Bitbacker), but users have noticed payment processors may ban their accounts 15:32:37 not sure how it would work to "forward" payments on behalf of your users tho 15:32:47 norbert, sounds like you'll need a custom solution... using the wallet-cli and the monero daemon 15:33:03 You can create a sub-account for each user 15:33:12 you can check github for monero-php from monero integrations team 15:33:21 ok 15:33:40 and then when they want to claim it or move it, you ask them for the information that they need 15:34:20 Andrew[m]6, I'm not exactly sure where your going with the long message, but thanks for sharing 15:37:40 I wrote my message for an hour, but there is no email on your site. As, however, and on mine. And I was looking for you for an hour - I found out what irc is. 15:38:49 This is starting to get good. 15:39:00 Ging and His Russian Stalker 15:39:10 huh, didn't realize i don't have an email on there 15:40:29 Thanks to the Qtranslate program. 15:41:25 Why Russian Stalker? Ha ha ha! 15:41:53 ;) 15:42:49 Mochi101: I think I should explain better what I'm trying to accomplish; one easy solution would be to allow users to provide their donation address and for the website to then show that address when someone's interested in donating; but I'm thinking it would be nicer if I could show a pop-up that asks the user how much they'd like to donate from where, and then take care of the whole process for them - that is, if this is even possible (I'm 15:42:49 really a noob when it comes to Monero) 15:44:12 I did see the Deamon RPC and Wallet RPC, and I'm simply guessing all that documentation (and code) must be useful for something 15:45:00 it's very easy to implement the code into the website 15:45:05 you just need wallet rpc 15:45:22 and server to run full monero node 15:46:10 norbert, yeah... just collect a wallet address from your users and display a QR-Code and full wallet address on their behalf. There's no real automated process to start. 15:46:38 norbert: see https://repo.getmonero.org/selene/primo, might be of interest. 15:46:49 It's got a plugin for FF only though, no chrome. 15:47:05 You laugh in vain, before joining the Bolshevik Party, Lenin was also a sworn attorney in court, and Putin is still a lawyer. And Medvedev too. I join the question about the implementation of RPC-pay on the site, nothing is clear in the github. 15:47:23 Mochi101: ok, that sounds easy enough; is there an easy way to generate the QR code from the donation address? 15:47:31 norbert, yeah. it can get more complicated if you want your website to be responsive to user payments. I.e., if you want to provide access to content in response to donations. but if its just posting an address for ppl that should be simple 15:47:52 use any php qr generator code from github? 15:48:55 yeah.. it's a standard 15:49:09 ok, probably http://phpqrcode.sourceforge.net/ will do, yes 15:49:11 Andrew[m]6, yeah I guess I'm just not understanding the relevance of the bolshevik party and your other historical comments for monero and the overall digital money revolution 15:49:12 But it's easy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w 15:49:34 understanding 15:49:38 damn what triggers that 15:49:44 I'm just not understanding 15:50:01 gingeropolous, understanding... but randomly ;) 15:50:25 I don't understand 15:51:44 logarithmic casing 15:53:52 It makes a little sense. Will the developers not become the new Bolsheviks, spreading Monero throughout the world, and then seizing power over it and the whole world? 16:01:00 Andrew[m]6, thats sorta the beauty of decentralized stuff. No one really controls it, if its designed well 16:01:28 There cannot be a cryptocurrency that is not controlled by anyone, the developers will still control it. Will we come to a complete ban on anonymous currencies? Any slogan can hide behind, the most terrible things in the world were happening under the best slogans - except for the Nazis. The Inquisition, for example. 16:02:42 well control will exist, but its balanced between various forces. namely, energy production, chip fabrication, and telecommunications 16:04:14 but thats sorta the recipe for modern civilization 16:06:09 Who will control the developers? Are they themselves? Now there are historical facts that Hitler is a descendant of Rothschild, and the Jew himself is in the third generation. He unleashed a world war in order to create a Jewish state under the pretext of the Holocaust. Do you have something against this version? Me not. Iron cannot run currency. People should do it. 16:09:25 Are my historical comments clear now? 16:10:03 They're clearly off topic, at the very least. 16:10:40 I didn't even get a chance to put on my tinfoil hat. 16:11:02 So be it, I wanted to clarify my motives for translating the article. 16:12:55 Andrew[m]6, which article did you read? 16:13:02 I'm really interested now. 16:13:37 https://moneroworld.com/whymonero.html 16:14:17 It took a certain amount of time, and time, as the author says, is money. But if you want to develop your currency, then you cannot do without announcements to ordinary people. 16:15:32 Вам на какой язык перевести? 16:50:34 What am I leading to? Any social institution - and even more so a currency - must have its own constitution. Any very good person (or group of people) can want to seize unlimited power over the world or territory - the majority should be able to prevent him. What are the principles of your cryptocurrency - where is your charter, where are the rules? Why should I get into Monero? What is it backed by - gold? Is there an 16:50:34 insurance fund? There is none of this on your site. Correctly Snowden said - toy currency. Ask him to write you a charter, slogans - people know him and will believe him. I am not an FSB agent and not an agent of Kuchereny - these are the simplest thoughts that come to mind of an ordinary person. 16:53:46 Who can I sue if no one is responsible for anything? Who will answer for a software error if I lose money? 16:57:00 just use fiat 16:58:38 Is this the opinion of the community or just yours? 17:03:30 Who will answer for a software error if I lose money? >>. no one will answer. there is no insurance. "be your own bank", is indeed, a lot. but if its the price for actual financial freedom, and accordingly, general freedom ... perhaps, its worth it? 17:03:39 Andrew[m]6: those things come with time 17:03:58 but the idea behind open source is that anyone can take initiative to implement any improvements they imagine 17:04:24 that is personal responsibility. rather than reliance on govt or faceless organisations 17:18:35 It's just utopia - if no one answers. I'd rather save gold, and not drive my computer at night. Not a single smartest team of code developers will ever make a world currency - until there is some kind of international organization that all states want to join and recognize this currency. Gingeropolous somehow tried to explain the ideas of the developers, but officially 17:18:36 they are nowhere on paper, no one has seen, and what thoughts they have in their heads - no one knows. Understand for yourself that currency is very serious. Nobody will read your code on github, it is not interesting to anyone. Indulge in until some fund buys you, along with the giblets, to offer it to this association. We have already gone through all this in the USSR, like public property. Common means nobody's. 17:21:03 the concept of authoritiless is a bit of a mindfuck 17:21:09 authoritilessness 17:21:32 cryptocurrency turns money into more or less a phenomenon of nature 17:21:47 * Andrew[m]6 < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/LrqIqqiCCIkNZuznvtAhOzWQ/message.txt > 17:22:36 Who will answer if someone steals your gold? 17:24:04 commodity money(metals) is a lot closer to being 'natural' than cryptocurrency 17:24:28 well sure but you can't make commodity metals travel at the speed of light 17:24:32 cryptocurrency require a highly artificial technical infrastructure 17:24:40 "artificial" ? 17:24:52 Or a phenomena of mathematics 17:25:02 there's nothing artificial about anything my senses interact with 17:25:03 not only that, but the infrastructure is controlled by the enemy 17:25:29 ah yes, the they 17:25:44 Byzantine fault tolerance is the idea of pitting enemies against each other so they behave in a desirable way for everyone 17:25:47 gingeropolous, well you mentioned 'phenomenom of nature', I take that to mean natural, as opposed to man-made or artificial. 17:26:47 childofthecorn[m, I mostly mean the hardware 17:27:47 > if no one answers. I'd rather save gold, and not drive my computer at night. Not a single smartest team of code developers will ever make a world currency 17:27:47 i reject this premise in the sense that you don't need a "one global currency" 17:27:59 Enemies control the hardware? As in mining/ ability to produce? Who cares, as long as the math guarantees those enemies play by the rules we need them to play by? 17:28:04 there's nothing intractable about having many as long as you have open exchange systems 17:28:10 in fact i'd argue more is better 17:28:26 Monero si just medium of exchange. Developers don't have any pover ower world because they developed it . Is very simple. Peopel taht wil find it usefull wil use it . Peopel that wil nto find it usefull weil nt use it. 17:28:43 the whole issue is to do with exchange systems being closed for a certain set of participants 17:28:54 info arb for a few and none for the rest 17:29:28 that's what finance has always been 17:29:32 a set of rules that give a minority an unfair advantage 17:29:38 childofthecorn[m, your hardware only runs what its owners allow it to run. 17:29:46 and you are not the owner 17:30:28 as2333: gold only works as money in like one special kind of "half Armageddon" 17:30:46 and one where you're likely already very wealthy and have weapons (the real hedge) to guard your gold 17:30:58 commodity money, including gold worked since forever 17:31:07 buenchicoakaLord, nonsense 17:31:24 explain how you'll buy a coffee with some gold 17:31:28 if the power goes out 17:31:39 ? 17:31:41 go 17:32:00 if it's money you should be able to exchange with it and solve the double coincidence of wants problem 17:32:07 You take the ingot to the seller's face repeatedlt until coffee is proffered. 17:32:11 so tell me how you'll exchange it for something you need that day 17:32:16 when the power is out 17:32:20 .... 17:32:26 when the power is out...? 17:32:28 are you going to chip off some pieces of your bar and hand it to the grocery clerk? 17:32:32 or what? 17:32:37 yah 17:32:40 when the power is out 17:32:40 that's the exact reason why digital stuff is third rate... 17:32:52 you know, when someone would actually want gold as a store of value 17:33:00 and you don't pay for coffee with gold, you use silver of copper anyway 17:33:11 oh right how could i forget 17:33:21 so you're not making sense at various levels. 17:33:28 show me 17:33:32 show you what 17:33:40 if there's logical errors they should be easy to point out 17:33:49 so do it 17:33:53 you're the one who has to show how your digital network works when the power goes out 17:34:02 i didn't say that 17:34:11 never claimed that digital was better 17:34:18 i said gold only works in a special failure case 17:34:20 commodity money doesn't require 'power' to operate 17:34:29 where there's some order but not complete loss of order 17:34:32 yes 17:34:37 yes you made a fully wrong assertion that is contradicted by all of history. 17:34:38 that's why i presented that case 17:34:45 because it gives gold more value 17:34:54 which assertion? 17:35:01 go troll somebody else 17:35:07 gold has been stolen throughout history by those who conquer others 17:35:16 like any other kind of property 17:35:27 if i made a wrong assertion just say what it is 17:35:30 shocking news for news I guess 17:35:41 news for you* 17:35:42 are we at ad hominem already? 17:35:47 i can't tell 17:38:02 anyway, the smartest people in finance still claim they don't understand gold as a hedge it's only so called gold bugs who relentlessly rely on a faith in it's lindy effect 17:38:02 But it's easy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w 17:38:44 lawl 17:38:49 speaking of 'ad homnimens' 17:38:52 >gold bug 17:38:59 yah guilty 😂 17:39:10 not my terminology 17:39:36 these aren't my ideas fwiw 17:39:42 just repeating the things of others 17:39:48 that I obviously know 17:39:54 indeed you're just repeating propaganda 17:40:00 lol 17:40:03 i guess that's one way to view it 17:40:42 back to the first point, i think the main goal of something like xmr is to enable running your own bank if the environment allows it 17:41:02 feel free to hoard whatever commodities you want on your own 17:41:27 what does 'run your own bank' mean? commit fraud against your betters? 17:41:38 ideally though xmr is used as the exchange medium, not a speculative tradable 17:41:43 print all the money you want? get 'bailouts' from the govt? 17:41:53 In general, all of you think about what you are wasting your time, which is the only one in the world that has value - I was not the first to say this! Create rules and emboss them on copper like a mnemonic phrase. Next, follow the guidelines when developing your code. If these rules survive, and the world recognizes them, then you are not living your life in vain. There is absolutely no point in working without written 17:41:53 rules. This is my advice to the community. Glad to chat and follow my request for RPC-pay if it actually works. If you do not have written rules, I will not be able to support you for moral reasons. Goodnight! 17:41:56 not require a bank to store or move your value around 17:42:11 only require tech you approve of / setup your self 17:42:32 buenchicoakaLord, you never required a bank to do that. Only cash. 17:42:40 daemons being foss is a big leap over the piles of absolute shit proprietary sw running inside banks 17:42:52 fair 17:43:02 but with fiat someone has to issue the cash 17:43:13 that's why fiat is garbage 17:43:14 and you're still back at the same problem as gold 17:43:19 now you have to protect it 17:43:22 .... 17:43:34 what exactly makes you think that you don't have to protect your digital stuff? 17:43:43 not saying you don't 17:43:47 so? 17:43:47 just saying it's easier in the right env 17:44:05 because robbing cash from your backyard is harder then getting a pw out of your brain 17:44:05 not that both can't be done 17:44:22 your objection then is meaningless because it applies to everything. You have to protect your gold, your xmr, your govt fiat. or anything else. 17:44:26 also being able to move the value quickly to another storage location as info is a benefit 17:44:36 right 17:44:38 but they're different 17:44:47 you can't backpack all your gold and hop on a plane easy peasy 17:44:50 yes there are some technical difference obv 17:44:55 well yeah 17:45:00 what else would there be? 17:45:06 your gold can't be hacked 17:45:14 why else would we have digitial value in the first place 17:45:17 it's about those technical diffs 17:45:28 stolen = hacked 17:45:48 imo it all depends on the use case 17:46:00 there should be no false dichotomy 17:46:18 gold is good for some things and digital value is good for others 17:46:25 well yeah. Different systems have different strengths 17:46:32 exactly 17:46:43 this goes back to 17:46:54 i don't think we really need "on global thing to solve all our problems" 17:46:56 it just doesn't exist 17:46:59 only interact with those that are not them 17:47:10 buenchicoakaLord, agreed 17:47:49 imo if you've got the security to protect a bunch of gold then go for it 17:48:02 it definitely has the history to prove it's storing capabilities 17:48:04 but at that point 17:48:06 use silver instead ;) 17:48:09 might as well become a central bank 😂 17:48:34 get urself a gold standard going 17:48:38 kek 17:48:42 * kek/ lel 17:49:21 as2333: i do agree with your concerns about power centralization with developers though 17:49:22 get yourself Gaddafi'd 17:49:30 that's a yet to be solved problem 17:49:38 systems that distribute such power inherently 17:50:17 we haven't quite figured out how to decentralize societal power structures (i think?) 17:50:28 buenchicoakaLord, my main concern is centralization of the production of (backdoored) hardware. 17:50:38 yah for sure 17:50:45 in theory the foss part should help with that 17:50:58 but yeah, not every white hat has time to dig through reams of C++ 😂 17:51:21 I'd love to see a foss foundry. A foundry that anybody can audit. 17:51:51 hmm interesting 17:52:00 is there a special meaning for "foundry"? 17:52:09 chip factory 17:52:13 ahh 17:52:19 you mean open hw then 17:52:21 yes 17:52:25 we 💯 need that stat 17:53:17 yep 17:53:17 unfortunately the whole path dependence of getting us to a point of realizing that's something we need is part of the problem 😂 17:53:49 not sure we'd have chips a priori if we hadn't had industrialist wartime america 17:53:51 lol 17:54:09 right, because, like you said, we have figured out how to decentralize political power 17:54:16 yah 17:54:17 haven't* 17:54:25 we need like actual math on this 17:54:58 lol u cant even get open source code audited 17:55:07 obviously not many industrialist are going to fund such "research" 17:55:25 nice idea but thats a long road if anyone ever gets there 17:55:28 in theory it's crowd sourced by it's users 17:55:33 > <@freenode_louipc:matrix.org> lol u cant even get open source code audited 17:55:33 * in theory it's crowd sourced by its users 17:55:55 culture is always changing 17:56:04 it's just about making it feel good to be part of the change 17:56:07 imo 17:56:41 i'm not auditing anything 17:56:42 math is invented by man and not natural 17:57:17 agreed, but so is the society 17:57:30 i'm not sure things being "natural" applied to this problem 17:57:34 but maybe it does i dunno 17:57:49 i audit the code i write 😂 17:57:52 I was just trolling what was said b4 :) 17:58:05 all good bruv 17:58:09 i like being trolled 17:58:13 good luck 17:58:20 wasn't you lol 17:58:22 math is more on the side of natural and discovered than invented 17:58:31 natural is a tricky word tho 17:58:41 this 17:58:46 I identify as universe 17:58:54 lmao 17:58:56 yea are humans natural 17:59:39 are beehives natural 17:59:50 that's actually a super good question lmao 18:00:05 what about skyscrapers 18:01:20 :) 18:01:33 > You take the ingot to the seller's face repeatedlt until coffee is proffered. 18:01:35 lol i missed this 18:01:38 this is what i would do 18:01:56 "this is money bish, give me my caffee" 18:02:59 could be the seller is a silver maximalist 18:04:24 no joke though, anon prepaid credit cards loaded from xmr wen 18:04:43 when you build it 18:04:50 gack 18:05:04 we gonna need a visa insider 18:05:20 then go find one 18:05:22 too bad visa is the ultimate creation of central banks =) 18:05:48 whos we? you and me? 18:05:56 i dont need no visa 18:06:06 was a joke 18:06:24 but u said no joke 18:06:47 not all credit cards are visa 18:07:03 was that a joke 18:07:07 not all cryptos are Monero 18:07:10 could be 18:07:17 depends on how wrong i am 18:12:59 on another note what's the common parlance for a single unit of a crypto currency? 18:13:11 like if you wanted to be coin agnostic 18:13:32 Atomic unit. 18:13:46 kk 18:13:54 is there a suffix / acronym for that? 18:14:28 shorthand even? 18:14:31 when written i mean 18:15:10 for example in traditional markets they had discrete lots 18:15:38 just wondering if there was some similar shorhand 18:20:09 whats the parlance for a single unit of fiat? 18:21:06 or commodity 18:21:06 a buck bby 18:21:14 you mean a quid? 18:21:19 but good point 18:22:23 i'm looking at it more from a tradable perspective 18:23:08 like how equities don't specify `symbol / exchange currency` 18:23:20 bitfinex doesnt like to deal with single dogecoin. so they have 'mdoge' 18:23:46 million doge 18:23:47 that's kinda like forex 18:23:48 `1k` 18:23:50 * `25k` 18:38:05 btw 18:38:07 would love to see something like this with xmr support 18:38:09 https://start9labs.com/ 18:38:38 give small time vendors an alt to cash 18:40:02 get the tinas on board 18:42:45 Hello! How can I generate address, seed and keys with monero-cli without monero prompt after it, creating files and other and other. I just want to get info and pipe to other program. Pls help. 18:44:12 For automated stuff, you want monero-wallet-rpc, and the create_wallet call. 18:44:46 Tinas? 18:45:19 Thank you @moneromoo I'll check 18:56:48 Andrew[m]6, i kinda view the readme as the rules. 19:37:52 Is it fair to assume that OTC brokers for cryptocurrency are not really useful for smaller exchanges? (e.g. on the level of beginners using Coinbase -- a few thousand USD-valuation here and there, at most) 19:38:20 (exchanges of value, I mean, not cryptocurrency markets such as Coinbase and Kraken) 19:43:15 yes OTC deals are usually for bigger amounts 19:47:00 What is stopping a client from not sending a solution for a block to a pool and instead claiming it for himself? 19:49:02 leonardus, the solution is key to the reward. 19:49:28 If he doesn't share the solution he doesn't receive the mining reward. 19:49:49 I had already gone to bed, but I remembered about Navalny and decided to go in again. Read me is a technical rule. Cryptocurrency regulations must be moral, ethical, and legal. You said yourself that laws must be obeyed. Here it is necessary almost to involve doctors of law and academicians to develop such rules. But above all, the rule makers must be morally clean and 19:49:49 well-known - that is, who will lead such a group. Code is secondary. We have it Navalny, you have Snowden. Both are in Russia, but one is in prison. Well, let him take care of the rules of your currency, he is a lawyer. Snowden will visit him in prison, consult him, even though he will not allow him to be poisoned there for the third time. Contact them, your rate will grow a million times just from the news that these two 19:49:49 people are developing a charter for a new cryptocurrency. Email me, bye. 19:50:40 right, but he's asking, why doesn't the miner use the solution for a block he has sitting around on his own daemon, then collect the full reward 19:51:05 ahhh 19:51:29 leonardus, this is the key to the stratum protocol. i forget the specifics, but the pool protocol achieves this somehow 19:52:05 i think its mainly because when you are mining, you are mining on a specific block / block-type-thing that is created by the pool op 19:52:19 so the solution you come up with wouldn't actually work on a block you craft on your own daemon 19:52:39 The pool sends al altered block Template 19:52:45 yeah 19:52:50 an altered block template 19:53:05 so your solutions are only valid on the pool's block 19:53:33 if the solution is to an altered block, how does the pool use that solution? 19:55:19 Since the block template also includes the coinbase transaction, transferring the reward to the pool operator, you cannot steal the reward. 19:55:40 copy pasta 19:55:47 https://captainaltcoin.com/what-is-pool-mining/ 19:56:32 leonardus, its only altered in the sense that the pool operator crafted the block to include a payment to their address 19:57:25