00:17:45 apotheon: sending you encouragement 00:19:01 lol that github spam 00:29:37 selsta: Are you a committer on that repository? 00:32:28 ... 00:32:52 ELLIPSIS 00:33:40 gunnm[m]: Is that a reference to that thing also known as Alita? 00:38:29 apotheon: don't remember 00:38:40 don't think i contributed to meta repo 00:48:22 If anyone would like to review this code you're welcome to. https://github.com/t-900-a/gemmit/blob/main/cmd/fetchmonero/main.go 01:18:34 newbie here, when using xmrig is there a difference between mining with randomX or using rx/0 algorithm? I joined a pool that required rx/0. 01:20:52 device wallet doesn't match wallet address 01:20:54 wtf is this bullshit 01:21:46 oh nevermind, i just got the passphrase wrong lol 01:24:57 PeaceTea: randomX is shown as rx/0 in xmrig I believe 01:25:08 same 01:26:02 haha 01:27:34 no it was "randomX" when I tried to join the pool I got an error 01:32:05 the error was "unknown algorithm, make sure you set "algo" or "coin" option. 01:32:21 then I ran xmrig with option "-a rx/0" and I was able to join the pool. 01:32:43 so "rx/0" is just another name for "randomX" 01:41:07 that's what xmrig uses for it yes 01:41:13 why? dunno 01:42:21 rx/0 is RandomX on xmrig 01:42:23 when I used it 01:42:27 I just use xmr-stak-rx 01:42:31 it's OG 01:44:18 stak copies from xmrig 01:44:25 how can it be OG 01:48:35 it's the other way around 01:52:15 ok 01:52:17 they're both open source anyways so whatever 01:52:27 Gotta get that NFT XMR miner 01:52:43 it may have started out that way but not a leader for long time 01:53:15 imma selling monero as an NFT 01:53:20 only 2 xmr 02:01:46 what the fuck is a 'non fungible token' ... 02:03:24 LMAO 02:05:45 cryptokitties 02:08:02 as2333: people are using it for money laundering basically lol 02:10:47 ah feline cryptomammals I see 02:42:41 as2333: I guess that the tokens are unique in a similar way that a painting can be unique. the painting can be said to "have no value". which is why it can be expensive. good fit for money laundering? 02:48:21 not sure what money laundering is supposed to mean tho. As far as I'm concerned, money laundering is a basic human right - it's using your money however you wish. 02:50:47 but anyway, yeah, my hype cryptobullshit terminology wasn't up to date =) 03:03:30 i've been wondering wtf this nft shit is 03:07:34 ppl using it for 'digital art' and stuff 03:08:19 basically an authenticated/numbered copy of some digital image/video/audio 03:09:06 NFT for sale, starting at 1 ETH: https://imgur.com/a/wxY4O4f 03:10:02 it makes no sense. In 5 years, 99.99999% of them will be worth zero 03:11:02 copy/paste is NFT's enemy 03:11:46 dont underestimate the mental gymnastics ppl will use to brainwash themselves 03:11:57 Perhaps you'd like to lease some art so you can have "official" ownership for a few hours? No? of course not, why would you want that? 03:12:22 that actually exists as far as i know 03:13:06 and you can rent a luxury supercar just as well 03:13:07 but why? 03:13:39 various reasons 03:13:45 can you display NFT artwork anywhere in a way that having ownership would matter? 03:14:15 depends on who you ask 03:14:45 yeah i really don't get it 03:14:49 for 'digital art' collectors.. yea it would matter 03:14:53 like, why do you need any of it 03:15:03 or digital art galleries 03:15:06 but like wtf does that even mean 03:15:14 it's like a contract of you owning the bytes? 03:15:17 or like? 03:15:22 i'm so confused 03:15:34 ok look at it like getting an digital autograph by the artist 03:15:37 is there like DRM attached to these assets? 03:15:57 buenchicoakaLord: yea the authentication cant be duplicated 03:16:15 sure 03:16:25 but what if you copy the image to ur friend 03:16:43 then you are kindof dumb i guess 03:16:52 but also the friend wont get the 'autograph' 03:16:59 ahh 03:17:21 i think maybe i just have a philosophical disconnect with this 03:17:39 what's the difference with just paying for the bytes? 03:17:52 just that ur signature is signed into the chain ? 03:18:01 like i said.. its like an autographed/signed/numbered copy 03:18:08 so weird 03:18:15 the so called 'cryptokitties' illustrate the thing well. An 'authenticated' and useless stream of bytes. 03:18:17 it has a direct connection with the artist or something 03:18:27 .pepe 03:18:34 yah i don't get it 03:18:40 its for collectors, not consumers 03:18:43 direct connecting to me must be "physical" 03:18:49 like vinyl 03:18:52 or canvas 03:19:44 yea but you cant just 'copy' a signed first pressing 03:20:06 right 03:20:22 you can copy just the data, but the original item cannot be duplicated 03:20:28 right 03:20:35 but with a byte stream i'm not sure how this applies 03:20:39 how about fungible NFTs? :-P https://twitter.com/ABTestingAlpha/status/1367187586456903685 03:20:49 is there some property that's different from any other version of it other then metadata? 03:20:49 buenchicoakaLord: its cryptography 03:20:59 yes 03:21:01 lol i gather 03:21:12 rupee[m]:wat 03:21:23 but like, a "first pressing" usually have some desired property 03:21:26 physically 03:21:29 that denotes it 03:21:43 lol serious mental gymnastics 03:21:55 well i mean 03:21:58 in theory 03:22:06 louipc: haha. they're like, we're not trading securities. these are NFTs, each one is a different share, but they're all fungible ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 03:22:13 technically with vinyl there is audio variance from the process 03:22:17 though not sure i could tell 03:22:33 rupee[m]: above I just offered to sell a monero as an nft for 2 xmr 03:22:47 ooooh, that's cheap! 03:22:53 an original nioc 03:23:06 is there an nft market? 03:23:07 Yes sir 03:23:38 christies auction house is even getting in the game 03:23:41 https://opensea.io/ 03:23:42 Somewhere I might still have 2 rupee xmr 03:24:07 you probably have some rupeees from the counterparty days 03:24:36 2nd monero meetup 03:24:36 and malakas 03:24:43 yes yes, I member 03:25:04 wish I could've made it 03:25:25 k so like what do i get beyond this data 03:25:26 * buenchicoakaLord uploaded an image: (128KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/FgQKshWFwQfttPIycWXsTVXh/image.png > 03:25:30 a higher quality version? 03:25:32 or what 03:25:36 just the artists sig? 03:25:36 that's a forgery! 03:25:47 i'm so lost 03:26:16 this feels like inverse handlon's razor again 03:26:27 * this feels like inverse hanlon's razor again 03:26:45 magic internet.........stuff 03:26:48 lol u better go do your own research 03:27:17 wtf 03:27:19 ($389.69 03:27:30 plus blockchain fees 03:27:42 wait is it cuz you'll get sued if you don't own the nft and you put it up online somewhere? 03:27:44 theres no hard fast rule about what you get or not as far as i know 03:27:47 or something 03:27:55 but yea one of the unique things is the digital signature 03:28:20 How much can I sell my cat's genuine alpha waves? 03:28:22 NFTs are the dumbest shit ever 03:28:27 They are the best things ever 03:28:33 Anybody who buys one is a fool 03:28:47 And very useful 03:28:48 and once you own it, people can go to your ether address and see it in your list of assets 03:28:49 https://opensea.io/accounts/0xa64bdddd3c2c3a58b75888de261d35d21bfcde08 03:29:03 just picking a random one ^ 03:29:47 and when you buy coffee from that cute barista, she can comment on your art gallery 03:29:54 buenchicoakaLord: https://foundation.app/NyanCat/nyan-cat-219 03:29:58 seems like a good way to make $$ off really clueless people 03:30:36 it also feels like small steps toward that one black mirror ep 03:30:47 > Charisma +10 03:30:47 Luck +10 03:30:47 Happiness +15 03:30:50 smh 03:31:07 that black mirror shit already existed 15 yrs ago 03:31:19 or more i guess 03:32:11 then why ain't they checking my cheery points at the butcher 03:32:17 cuz i tell yah 03:32:24 i'd for sure only get access to the organ meat 03:32:29 (ok by me) 03:32:39 nioc: you sent me a shirt though. we're even :) 03:33:09 I did? 03:33:13 yessir 03:33:15 fack gd kiwi clocks 03:33:18 black with monero logo 03:34:00 bibble suggested black 03:34:17 it's a nice shirt. I still wear it regularly. 03:34:31 w0w 03:37:18 so it is now an NFT 03:37:36 good idea! 03:38:19 i still don't really understand 03:38:27 so you spend eth and then get the "asset" 03:38:37 so what is the NFT? 03:38:38 the asset? 03:39:10 isn't this kinda just like an ebay for eth 03:39:17 except they track who "bought what" 03:39:29 yes blockchain means it's one of a kind and therefore valuable lol 03:39:39 lmao 03:39:41 i figured 03:39:58 it's un 03:40:58 there's more fun things 03:41:00 It's uncounterfitable 03:41:14 but like who cares 03:41:17 It's like writing "nyan cat" on a dollar bill and then auctioning it off 03:41:24 it's not actually one of a kind 03:41:29 it's just bytes on a screen 03:41:30 You'll find some fool to buy it eventually 03:41:41 just like music 03:41:49 it's too abstract to have that kinda "property" 03:42:27 There are potential use cases for it, but nobody is actually using it practically. Just spending thousands on a virtual waifu 03:42:46 what's something more practically useful 03:42:51 like a house deed? 03:42:54 or something? 03:43:26 sure those too 03:43:55 Trading card games or things like that. If it's on a blockchain, you can see how many the developer puts out there. If it's a centralized database, they could just keep selling more 03:43:56 at the same time, look at something like bitcoin. Every bitcoin is an 'unfungible token' and that's why bitcoin has problems. And there is a coin whose I cant recall that goes out of its way to restore fungibility to the system =) 03:44:11 whose +name 03:44:41 wait why is btc unfungible? 03:44:48 You don't know? 03:44:51 seems like it's the most fungible crypto 03:44:53 Cause the history is public 03:44:55 no i honestly don't 03:45:06 A freshly mined bitcoin and one stolen from an exchange have different values 03:45:09 one type of NFT I find interesting is in game tokens. For example, in a game you win some cool weapon and you can take that with you to a different game, or you can buy/sell things that can be used in multiple games 03:45:10 maybe i don't know what fungible means in crypto parlance 03:45:11 In monero, there's no such thing 03:45:40 buenchicoakaLord, the term/concept comes from the legal system 03:45:44 Exchanges can deny you spending bitcoin they deem naughty 03:45:57 I've seen it happen with coins that just went through a mixer too 03:46:05 as2333: isn't it the ability of an asset to be liquidated and converted into other assets? 03:46:09 So you can't use a mixer to avoid it; if anything, that'll make you a target 03:46:15 hence cash has high fungibility 03:46:19 RE does not 03:46:21 that's "liquidity" 03:46:27 pretty sure it's not 03:46:32 liquidity has to do with the order book 03:46:37 unless you mean banking 03:46:38 if each dollar bill was like a library book with a list of whose had it last, that would be like bitcoin 03:46:40 buenchicoakaLord, cash is fungible because all bills all the same (despite serial numbers) 03:46:54 oh interesting 03:47:02 Dollar bills do have a serial number, but that's not nearly tracked to the same extent as bitcoin is 03:47:07 buenchicoakaLord, so it doesn't matter which bill out of the trillions out there is used to pay for something. 03:47:29 Bitcoin is like if you wrote down and kept a log of every dollar bill's serial. And kept that public. Forever 03:47:37 ahh you're right 03:47:39 > In economics, fungibility is the property of a good or a commodity whose individual units are essentially interchangeable, and each of its parts is indistinguishable from another part.[1][2] 03:47:39 For example, gold is fungible since a specified amount of pure gold is equivalent to that same amount of pure gold, whether in the form of coins, ingots, or in other states. Other fungible commodities include sweet crude oil, company shares, bonds, other precious metals, and currencies. 03:47:39 Fungibility refers only to the equivalence and indistinguishability of each unit of a commodity with other units of the same commodity, and not to the exchange of one commodity for another. 03:47:45 dollar bills are fungible because the courts ruled that they are 03:47:47 * > In economics, fungibility is the property of a good or a commodity whose individual units are essentially interchangeable, and each of its parts is indistinguishable from another part.[1][2] 03:47:47 > For example, gold is fungible since a specified amount of pure gold is equivalent to that same amount of pure gold, whether in the form of coins, ingots, or in other states. Other fungible commodities include sweet crude oil, company shares, bonds, other precious metals, and currencies. 03:47:47 > Fungibility refers only to the equivalence and indistinguishability of each unit of a commodity with other units of the same commodity, and not to the exchange of one commodity for another. 03:48:14 Two pieces of art aren't the same value. Two pokemon cards of the same type will have different values depending on condition and such 03:48:23 lol matrix spam 03:49:03 haha 03:49:20 buenchicoakaLord stop editing your messages on bridge channels or u get banned from the irc side 03:49:35 for spamming 03:50:58 anyway, the problem is that if an exchange says they accept bitcoin, you don't know if they will accept your specific coins until after you've sent them because they don't make public what levels and types of taint they deem acceptable. So you don't know until after you've sent BTC whether they will credit your account or freeze your account 03:51:56 i.e. steal your money 03:52:47 buen chico (aka Lord Fomo): this might have some interesting links: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/m4sfsh/skepticism_sunday_march_14_2021/gqwdjfl 03:57:27 also, if you withdraw coins from an exchange and then buy something with them and the person you bought from then goes and spends those coins on something illegal, your exchange account could get frozen because from their point of view, it looks like coins you got from them went to crime 03:58:05 isn't it for everyone? 03:58:58 At some point bitcoin is gonna stop going up. It has no real utility anymore. At least monero is being used on a daily basis for actual transactions. Nobody is paying a $15 transaction fee for a purchase with bitcoin 03:59:25 it's more expensive and slower than a wire during business hours 03:59:55 Cash by mail is good if ya want to avoid KYC. Local monero is an option 04:00:35 Didn't you get the memo? Btc is now a store of value 04:00:47 like an NFT 04:00:58 digital gold 04:01:02 lol 04:01:05 wait 04:01:34 Isn't gold fungible? 04:01:43 For the most part 04:01:51 Not very practical to spend, though 04:01:57 Silver is better for practical spending 04:02:10 An ounce silver coin isn't too expensive 04:02:10 And yet they say btc is digital gold 04:02:29 BTC is a digital slot machine at this point 04:02:49 it's an igloo gd it 04:02:55 gold is practical to spend when buying expensive stuff 04:03:11 People will pay more for freshly mined bitcoin 04:03:22 The lack of history is very attractive 04:03:32 Dirty bitcoins can be practically worthless 04:03:45 Because you can't cash em out for fiat unless you find some sucker 04:04:15 If I had 10 million from some darknet exit scam, I couldn't really do much with it without getting a shit ton of attention on myself 04:04:27 most bitcoin transactions have outputs with a long history, which means at some point in the past they have touched several services. So any given transaction has a mix of "exposure" 04:04:28 Mixers don't work 04:04:35 They treat mixers as being dirty 04:04:42 And that's if they can't just see through them 04:05:45 What's spooky is this is all permanent and they can enforce things retroactively. The IRS may just decide to go after everybody they can for bitcoin tax evasion. Wouldn 04:06:08 Wouldn't be hard at all, especially if you've ever used a KYC exchange 04:06:40 on the other hand determining 'taint' is more of an scam than a 'science' 04:07:02 Depends. Sometimes it's really obvious. Other times it's all bullshit 04:07:03 and there's no central authority (yet) doing it 04:07:15 yeah in some cases it can be pretty obvious. 04:07:20 I remember people tracking the coins moving around after every darknet exit scam 04:07:25 I don't think you can get significant quantities without KYC and even if you could you probably don't want to, because if you can afford large quantities you have a lot to lose and you're rather abide by tax laws. So youre going to want to be able to show proof of when you bought them and at what price 04:07:27 That was always a fun reddit thread to read 04:07:55 Whatever you do now has to be able to withstand the scrutiny of whatever tracking methods that they develop in the future 04:08:02 If I had 10 million from some darknet exit scam >>> you could buy an nft 04:08:07 cases like that. But the kind of general 'money laundering' that govt whines about doesnt' show up on the chain. 04:08:11 I have confidence that monero is pretty damn secure 04:10:07 Cat still pumping out those alpha waves 04:10:40 I think monero is gonna get big once a story or two about bitcoin's lack of privacy comes out 04:11:29 some view the lack of privacy as a good thing. it's "auditable" and you can prove provenance to show that your money never touched bad guys 04:11:38 the current political climate is toxic. Hard to tell what's going to happen next. 04:11:59 It's good to not get big while we're all still buying lol 04:12:17 I mean the anti privacy hysteria is running at full steam 04:12:28 I've seen the audibility argument, but I think it's pretty limited 04:12:50 It would be easy for a government to track everybody cashing out bitcoin 04:12:56 Much harder to track monero 04:13:06 And a government can ban bitcoin mining ASICs 04:13:11 Kinda hard to ban CPUs 04:13:41 That has other consequences 04:13:42 indeed bitcoin mining stick out like a sore thumb 04:14:03 sticks* 04:14:34 it's disheartening when people are making their transfers public like this and saying they have nothing to hide: https://venmo.com/api/v5/public 04:15:21 I still don't see much point in buying bitcoin now. Even if you're only buying to make money, I think it's far more likely for xmr to go to $500 than bitcoin is gonna go to 120k 04:15:32 “I thought, ‘I’m going to pump it and dump it,’ because I was interested and taking the ideas and implementing them in bitcoin. The bitcoin code base was far more interesting to me than monero, and I thought, ‘I’m not going to work on this codebase, it’s terrible,'” he recalls - fluffypony in an interview about Monero 04:16:19 agreed 04:16:57 I think people also like having more whole coins 04:16:58 Somebody is more likely to like 5 xmr than a fraction of a btc for $1k 04:17:04 it's funny how all the compliance people are viewing DeFi trading and lending activities as totally fine and not requiring any KYC because it's coming from "a pool of automated liquidity" 04:17:04 lol those quotes are so not incriminating though. spam better 04:17:45 I think atomic swaps are gonna be a really good thing for XMR 04:17:53 a few north korean defi coins find their way onto some exchanges and I DeFi is going to be in for a rude awakening 04:18:09 yes atomic swaps are huge 04:18:11 Bisq is cool too, but it's kinda hard to get started with it 04:18:36 I find it likely states like north korea are already using monero or bitcoin to some extent 04:18:45 China funds em and mining is big in china 04:19:08 the probability of getting tainted BTC if you sell on Bisq is high. It probably will be with atomic swaps in the near term too 04:19:23 but bitcoins fungible rupee[m] 04:19:35 No tainted xmr tho lol 04:19:37 1 BTC = 1 BTC always and forever bro 04:20:07 just ask dan hern 04:20:21 and if someone doesn't accept your bitcoin, thats just subjective 04:20:30 (finger tap head meme) 04:20:39 dan held? 04:20:45 yeah 04:21:10 yeah, and if you don't like it monero will be banned! 04:22:17 see, its all pretty straightforward: https://danheld.substack.com/p/bitcoin-privacy 04:24:20 simply solo mine a block and destroy the computer 04:24:21 https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Privacy#Example_-_A_perfectly_private_donation 04:25:03 https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/halogen.city/d78af790690165b6b71baaf63cb48dc0b2e403e2/IMG_20210314_203236_071.jpg 04:25:12 brb sending butthole pics to china 04:25:19 1btc = 1btc ^^ 04:25:21 "So even the most fungible money, fiat cash, has limitations in terms of its fungibility. " sooo..... we should just ... give up? 04:25:44 i want to open a bitcoin mental gymnastics gym 04:25:57 Monero makes me feel comfy 04:26:04 as someone close to a victim of stalking from a stalker who had never met her, I can tell you that even people that don't think they need privacy can find themselves wishing they had it. 04:26:18 Bitcoin makes me feel like I have some glowies looking at me 04:29:51 that's the problem though, people don't know that they want privacy until it's too late 04:29:58 yup 04:30:28 i would argue that everyone has stuff that they'd like to keep private from someone 04:30:44 Somebody could always show up at your door with a $5 wrench after seeing your btc balance... 04:31:38 Hello, sir. I've noticed you have a whole lot of bitcoin. Your prices are now 50% higher. fuk u 04:32:16 I noticed you are paying your supplier less this month than last month, please pass the savings on to me 04:34:04 I'm sorry sir, I noticed some of the NFTs in your wallet are offensive and we've decided to stop doing business with you 04:34:23 you've been donating to the wrong political party, sir 04:34:39 That's happened with bitcoin already 05:24:39 fluffypony: I'd like to submit a pull request to the "meta" repository for some language corrections. Should I minimize table widths when changing the width of data in the longest field of the column, or should I minimize the number of lines I edit, or what? 05:24:58 fluffypony: apologies if I assume too much about your present involvement with that project 07:19:34 apotheon: I don't think there are any style guidelines for Meta 07:19:37 so just do whichever 07:47:11 showcontroller: seems like you have 2 camps - the camp of "I will only get certifiably clean btc, like off of regulated KYC exchanges" vs the "I will only hold coinjoined non-kyc coins" 08:08:08 There's also the 'fuk btc' camp. I'm squarely in there 08:14:39 fck btc 08:14:56 Yeah, I don't see the point of bitcoin 08:15:03 like, it should be dead right now. 08:15:12 It's inferior in every way to multiple other cryptocurrencies. 08:15:14 When it was being used on the darknet, it had an actual use 08:15:20 Now with $15 fees, it's pointless 08:15:31 Anybody thinking it has value is late to the game and small brained 08:15:47 Like, things like litecoin, monero, even fucking bitcoin cash are just flat out better from my limited understanding. 08:16:16 Bitcoin has the network effect, but that's about it. I'm not even sure what eth is good for 08:17:23 Yeah, but, who spends the amount of time figuring out how to use BTC and not learn there is anything better? it confuses me so much 08:18:12 I say about 30-50% of crypto owners have no idea how any of it actually work 08:18:24 Some people actually buy crypto through paypal or robinhood 08:19:21 lol bruh 08:20:26 I get not spending the time and effort to do something like just flat out mining it or some junk, but, there are probably a multitude of good ways to get crypto lol 08:20:50 Some people refer to coins as shares cause they don't know better 08:20:58 I feel sorry for all the suckers falling for the pump and dumps 08:21:39 yeah 08:21:59 So many shitcoins and NFTs 08:22:21 So many people talking about use cases that often times aren't even implemented yet or never will be 08:22:47 I want to see something as private as monero, with instant transfers and then I feel like it will be truly viable for more than just a specific niche or two. 08:22:47 Yeah, man. we're totally gonna build an app on this platform. who cares about about the gas fees? 08:22:49 Fucking insanity 08:22:52 yeah 08:23:25 I think monero will evolve over time 08:23:42 I can see it possible to reduce the transaction times, but security and privacy also matter 08:24:04 yeah 08:24:05 The devs seem really active and open to adding improvements 08:24:21 The bitcoin devs seem to not want to change much 08:24:45 And the monero sure seem like they know what they're doing. The audits are great 08:24:55 lol, yeah 08:25:05 * And the monero devs sure seem like they know what they're doing. The audits are great 08:25:08 monero is what things like bitcoin should have been from the start. 08:25:18 Yeah, monero is what people think bitcoin is 08:25:22 yeah 08:25:37 Most people think bitcoin is more anonymous than the dollar, but it's actually more traceable 08:26:28 yeah 08:27:50 I wonder how traceable dollars are for broad data collection / survelliance, given they all have an ID on them 08:28:08 I am curious if they use it only for targetted attacks or if there is broad infrastructure for tracing it en mass 08:28:25 either way, doesn't make bitcoin any less hilariously transparent lol 08:29:19 and just like 08:29:52 the fucking gas fees like ??? who sees it as a viable currency at this point?? there are so many other things like litecoin, monero, ect. which have practically no fees for normal use 10:02:23 wrinkle_hut[m]: I make more $ mining monero because of gas fees during cash out 10:03:46 ethereum blockchain is also huge. i would never run a node 11:03:28 I think everyone here knows that most Monero exchange withdrawals and desposits are traceable (Breaking Monero - poisoned outputs). How does it feel to go out and lie to people that they are private and then earn less than holding BTC on your bag? 11:05:47 lol ouch 11:06:29 * Mochi101 rage trades his XMR for BTC 11:06:47 for doge 11:07:12 My Neighbor Alice is the thing to buy today louipc 11:07:48 Get some while she's hot. 12:07:06 does she take xmr? 12:39:32 Who is responsible here for downloading the blockchain to users' computers? 12:39:55 Do you mean Monero CEO? 12:40:31 No. Developer. 12:41:22 what kind of question is that? 12:42:01