00:26:36 <apotheon> from Sunday:
00:26:38 <apotheon> 06:33 < apotheon> How hard is it to move from one of the popular desktop or smartphone wallets to a full node later?
00:26:46 <apotheon> I don't think anyone had an answer at the time.
00:26:56 <apotheon> If someone did, I missed it.
00:36:09 <heat[m]> Testing
00:36:18 <mys> werking
00:36:27 <heat[m]> Thank you
00:39:53 <heat[m]> My first time in this room, interested in purchasing my first monero.
00:39:53 <heat[m]> What reputable exchange can I use.
00:39:53 <heat[m]> Already have my monerujo  wallet setup
00:40:22 <showcontroller> Do you care about KYC? Do you have fiat or bitcoin?
00:41:27 <heat[m]> Just sold last of my bitcoin about 2 months ago.
00:41:27 <heat[m]> Don't understand what kyc mean
00:43:05 <heat[m]> Oh OK thank you
00:43:06 <heat[m]> Not really interested in that route , would like to remain anon
00:44:54 <heat[m]> Actually, since it is my first purchase, doesn't matter kyc to me
00:46:04 <heat[m]> Right now I have fiat only
00:47:14 <showcontroller> Are you in the US?
00:47:19 <showcontroller> You can give localmonero a try
00:47:36 <showcontroller> There's cash by mail options usually starting at $150 minimum trade
00:49:11 <showcontroller> What do you mean?
00:49:27 <showcontroller> KYC means some fucker wants my ID and to know where my money came from
00:49:32 <heat[m]> Canada
00:49:32 <showcontroller> And to that, I say fuck u
00:50:05 <showcontroller> Looks like localmonero has cash by mail too for canada
00:50:21 <showcontroller> It does
00:50:41 <heat[m]> 👍👍👍👍👍👍 thanks
00:51:12 <showcontroller> But like the probably with KYC is some fucker still knows you bought monero
00:51:26 <showcontroller> I'd rather the people who know if I own monero to be 0
00:51:42 <showcontroller> I don't want the state asking to see my wallet to make sure I didn't sell it without telling em
00:52:07 <heat[m]> That is a really good way to he
00:52:45 <showcontroller> Nothing is stopping the IRS from going after all the early bitcoin people who almost certainly didn't pay tax properly
00:52:50 <heat[m]> May I ask how many times you have used the mail in services?
00:53:10 <showcontroller> Show up to my door with a $5 wrench and ask for my monero?
00:53:58 <showcontroller> You can ask, but I'm not gonna answer. Some sellers are better than others. Some selective scammers you have to watch out for. Some people want a note or a picture of your ID
00:54:09 <showcontroller> You're sending cash in the mail
00:54:31 <showcontroller> Just be happy if you get anything back. Still a decent chance it all works out, tho
00:55:11 <showcontroller> With monero, the receivers have no idea how much the sender has in their wallet. With bitcoin that's always a problem
00:55:32 <showcontroller> I can send somebody $20 in monero and that may be the only $20 in monero I have
00:55:47 <showcontroller> I can't lie about having less in my bitcoin wallet, though
00:55:57 <showcontroller> Pretty easy to see periodic transfers from a cold wallet too
00:56:09 <showcontroller> So you can't just stash some and take a little out
00:56:17 <heat[m]> Have you had a chance to use the mailin route? How did it work out sending cash
00:57:07 <rupee[m]> <apotheon "06:33 < apotheon> How hard is it"> very easy. You can just point whatever wallet you're using to your local full node. You can also use the seed phrase to restore a wallet into different wallet app and have the same "wallet" in different apps.
00:57:09 <showcontroller> It works for people. Don't be surprised if you never see the money again, though. There are naughty postal workers too. Can't do much about that
00:57:37 <showcontroller> I'd advise tracking and all that jazz, of course
00:57:52 <showcontroller> But cash by mail is better than in person cause I don't have to worry about somebody pulling out a wrench
00:58:23 <apotheon> rupee[m]: I was under the impression the seeds were particular to a specific wallet application, but I don't really know.
00:58:32 <heat[m]> OK thank you, going to check out the website
00:59:07 <rupee[m]> depends on the wallet. Some share the same type of seed phrase
01:00:21 <rupee[m]> you could easily go from Cake to the official monero GUI, for example
01:00:40 <rupee[m]> but coming from Edge wallet wouldn't be so straight forward
01:01:06 <apotheon> Does the official Monero CLI work for that, too?
01:03:54 <rupee[m]> yes
01:05:14 <rupee[m]> you run a daemon by running monerod. That's your node. Then you run a wallet and connect to the node.
01:05:29 <rupee[m]> can be monero-wallet-cli or the gui
01:05:35 <rupee[m]> or monerujo or cake
01:05:51 <rupee[m]> or mymonero
01:27:53 <apotheon> rupee[m]: I keep forgetting the typical CLI wallet applications from the core projects aren't just the full node server these days.  Last time I set up a desktop client, the CLI interface was just BTC's JSON API exported for CLI use.
01:28:03 <apotheon> (a long, long time ago)
01:34:07 <apotheon> (more specifically bitcoind's JSON API)
02:57:46 <asieamxofn> All you are 'fighting' for is e-penis of a guy you never met, that doesn't even have common decency to pay you for your time.
02:57:46 <asieamxofn> Do you think they care about Monero, or privacy or anything other than money?
03:43:17 <rupee[m]> my computer is really hot, and it's been 5 years. when am I supposed to mine this bitcoin block?
03:43:54 <rupee[m]> I'm ready to move to step 6 already
03:44:06 <louipc> are u gonna take it on a date
03:44:32 <rupee[m]> kek
03:45:32 <louipc> maybe u got friendzoned
03:46:31 <rupee[m]> lol
06:03:01 <endogenic> omg whoever is doing the github spam pls stop
06:03:13 <endogenic> es no bueno
08:07:59 <tuisto[m]> <apotheon "tuisto: I'd recommend checking t"> Isn't that only hitbtc.com? Or are you talking about something else?
09:47:54 <swrangsar> is it ok to mine to subaddresses instead of a standard monero wallet address?
09:55:04 <swrangsar> is it ok to pool mine to a subaddress?
10:05:49 <moneromooo> No. Unsupported.
10:06:01 <moneromooo> Oh wait. Pool.
10:06:03 * moneromooo thinks
10:06:15 <moneromooo> Yes, should be fine, if the pool allows it.
10:06:17 <moneromooo> Sorry :)
10:06:32 <M79rainbow[m]> there is nothing preventing anyone to transact to a sub-address
10:07:39 <M79rainbow[m]> so basically it means the master of the pool is going to transact to your sub-address,and It is definitely possible to do so
11:55:28 <hyc> instead of "military grade encryption" we should start talking about "criminal grade encryption" - strong enough to keep the TLAs off your back
12:23:22 <knowledgewizard[> Sky did that and look at what happened to them
12:55:25 <charolastra> i'd rather go with 'military grade' cause 2 criminal communication networks have been hacked (by the feds) in europe lately
12:57:42 <knowledgewizard[> I don't understand why crooks would use a "tools for crooks" brand at all
12:57:46 <knowledgewizard[> If you're crooking, why do you want to be profiled like that
12:58:16 <knowledgewizard[> It reminds me of the Looney Toons Coyote
12:58:21 <knowledgewizard[> or something from Secret Squirrel
12:58:40 <knowledgewizard[> Like a big box that says "ACME Super Secure Criminal Tools"
12:58:52 <knowledgewizard[>  * Like a big box that says "ACME Super Secure Criminal Tools For Criminals"
13:04:43 <charolastra> EncroChat provided supposedly hardened hardware and infrastructure (their own chat app)
13:21:39 <knowledgewizard[> But if you're a crook, right
13:21:48 <knowledgewizard[> And someone comes to you offering TOOLS FOR CRIMINALS
13:21:59 <knowledgewizard[> You see what I'm saying?... lol
13:40:22 <charolastra> sure. actually afaik it was a referal program. so your 'business partner' recommended their product to you
14:04:13 <while> <knowledgewizard[> thats because people are dumb, real smart people realize that if you get involved just right in politics, you can legally have people raped and killed
14:05:31 <while> thats business
14:07:26 <knowledgewizard[> i don't much care for politics
14:08:25 <while> anyway, to answer your question
14:09:31 <while> or if this is clearer: the smart people who are somewhat morally similar to criminals instead get into politics because they can make things legal that were formerly crimes, murder is not a crime when legal, for example
14:15:02 <knowledgewizard[> that must be why i don't care for politicians
16:16:21 <swrangsar> are there any apps for mining crypto on an android phone, now that google has banned them?
16:18:23 <Bill48105> you mean an apk you can install manually or from alt app store like F-Droid
16:18:32 <swrangsar> yes
16:19:41 <Mochi101> not worth it
16:20:07 <hyc> in terms of hash/watt it's more efficient than most PCs
16:20:16 <hyc> just, not very large hashrate overall
16:20:53 <Bill48105> drain your battery & warm your pocket for 0.0000000001 xmr yearly yup :)
16:21:13 <DisBotXMR> <Bananaboat> destroy your battery*
16:21:22 <hyc> plug into a charger, never mine on battery
16:21:22 <Bill48105> so worth it though
16:22:06 <Bill48105> .pause
16:22:07 <Wallet> Bill48105: Bot is ONLINE & READY
16:22:21 <Bill48105> odd console is showing paused here
16:22:55 <hyc> if you plug your phone in to charge overnight every night anyway, that's 8 hours worth of mining you could do every day
16:23:00 <Mochi101> is it hyc ?
16:23:13 <Mochi101> I never worked it out.
16:23:15 <Mochi101> :D
16:23:28 <Moneroship[m]> i charge my phone once a week
16:23:37 <hyc> then never mind
16:23:40 <Bill48105> how much monero you mined that way hyc
16:23:43 <Moneroship[m]> :P
16:23:52 <Moneroship[m]> yeah im curios too lol
16:24:30 <hyc> lots on testnet :P
16:24:40 <Bill48105> kek what's difficulty on testnet vs main then
16:24:59 <Moneroship[m]> how much is lots?
16:25:29 <hyc> testnet has no activity. you can mine 100% of the blocks yourself.
16:25:52 <Moneroship[m]> can you sell testnet XMR? xD
16:26:48 <Bill48105> sure you can sell anything if you find someone to buy :D
16:31:11 <swrangsar> tried web mining at  moneroocean.stream on android phone. it went up to 7 h/s. a non-web android miner app would manage to get a better hashrate i guess
16:31:53 <Bill48105> 7h/s must rake in the monero
16:32:09 <Moneroship[m]> browser mining is shitty af
16:32:19 <Moneroship[m]> but i do recommend moneroocean :)
16:32:42 <Bill48105> saf but recommended :D
16:33:03 <Bill48105> guess when compared to shit there's still the best shit eh lol
16:38:51 <hyc> browser mining is def not worth it
16:44:16 <swrangsar> at my work PC, the employer has gotten antivirus installed that gets xmrig automatically deleted after a while, so instead of letting the pc just idle, ended up web mining
16:45:29 <Bill48105> lol maybe take the hint from your employer eh :)
16:45:40 <Bill48105> worth getting fired over?
16:49:38 <knowledgewizard[> This is way more entertaining
16:49:42 <knowledgewizard[> boot from Tails
16:49:50 <knowledgewizard[> run a VM that emulates your work computer
16:49:50 <knowledgewizard[> gg
16:51:18 <Bill48105> good way to prove you're replaceable by a robot lol
16:51:32 <mechanic41turk[m> every IT guy should devise a smart way to mine xmr on company resources without getting caught.
16:52:06 <knowledgewizard[> Gain 1 dollar per day, spend ten thousand in court per year
16:52:07 <knowledgewizard[> ...
16:52:08 <knowledgewizard[> profit?
16:52:26 <mechanic41turk[m> "without getting caught"
16:52:50 <Bill48105> "Hey boss these are wifi space heaters! we'll put one under each desk for employees who complain their cold & you can keep the furnace turned down to 60. you'll save a fortune!"
16:52:56 <knowledgewizard[> Speaking of, why is Monero so ungodly resistant to even advanced mining efforts?
16:52:59 * Bill48105 dusts off a kitchen towel and slaps it at poopster
16:53:17 <knowledgewizard[> It seems like if you want your coin to grow, you reward the people helping you, not with a dollar a day peanuts...
16:54:11 <Bill48105> scammy drive-by web miners probably didn't help much
16:54:32 <mechanic41turk[m> knowledgewizard: you missed the early emission curve days?
16:54:35 <mechanic41turk[m> sucks to be you
16:54:57 <knowledgewizard[> i still don't mine
16:55:09 <knowledgewizard[> but why is the coin self-suppressing
16:55:11 <knowledgewizard[> i dont understand
16:55:13 <mechanic41turk[m> you are leaving money on the table
16:55:23 <knowledgewizard[> i'll keep my electricity
16:56:11 <mechanic41turk[m> bottle it up
16:58:13 <nioc> mining always goes to a break even point
16:58:36 <nioc> when emissions was high the coin was 50 cents
16:58:53 <nioc> and people sold at a small profit
16:59:12 <nioc> now coin is $200+ and people sell for a small profit
16:59:13 <mechanic41turk[m> 1 xmr = 1 xmr
16:59:29 <Bill48105> .val 1 xmr xmr
16:59:30 <Wallet> Bill48105: DURR.. 1 XMR = 1 XMR genious! [sic]
16:59:41 <nioc> https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/halogen.city/d78af790690165b6b71baaf63cb48dc0b2e403e2/IMG_20210314_203236_071.jpg
17:00:13 <mechanic41turk[m> sat brained
17:01:15 <Mochi101> .faucet
17:01:17 <Wallet> Mochi101: Of 6 and 5, whic​h is 6
17:01:22 <Mochi101> 6
17:01:22 <Wallet> Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.000005 XMR to Mochi101 [a750076c] Wait ≈1 day 6 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01214704
17:01:35 <Mochi101> Such difficult
17:01:47 <Mochi101> .balance
17:01:47 <Wallet> Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0030696 XMR (≈0.69 USD)
17:01:55 <nioc> .faucet
17:01:57 <Wallet> nioc: Three Little Pigs + their house​s
17:02:06 <nioc> yes please
17:02:07 <Wallet> nioc: Oops that is not correct. Try again later.
17:02:26 <Mochi101> 6
17:02:30 <Mochi101> :P
17:02:33 <moneromooo> What the hell was that question ? :D
17:02:39 <Mochi101> maths
17:02:43 <Mochi101> the answer is 6
17:03:18 <Mochi101> 3 pigs + 3 houses = 6
17:03:20 <nioc> yes but was that before or after wolf
17:03:47 <Mochi101> wow.. maybe we need some deeper analysis
17:04:09 <nioc> always
17:04:15 <Mochi101> .tip nioc 0.0030696
17:04:16 <Wallet> Mochi101 tipped 0.0030696 XMR (≈$0.69) to nioc [02b8dd73]
17:04:37 <Mochi101> Don't starve.
17:04:58 <nioc> good thing that I was sitting down
17:05:01 <nioc> w0w
17:05:21 <Mochi101> :D
17:05:33 <nioc> no truly
17:05:44 <nioc> tyvm
17:05:50 <Mochi101> all my tipbot coin, nioc
17:06:00 <nioc> I hold 4u
17:17:03 <swrangsar> would it be more profitable to mine ravencoin using amd Radeon rx 550 gpu  instead of mining monero on a ryzen 3600x?
17:17:31 <apotheon> tuisto[m]: Sorry, I didn't realize for a moment you wouldn't see the channel topic for the IRC channel.  I meant this: https://www.reddit.com/r/monero/wiki/avoid
17:18:02 <apotheon> tuisto[m]: At least, I assume that people coming in on the Matrix bridge wouldn't see the IRC channel topic.
17:32:49 <nioc> well I don't see tuisto on IRC :)
17:32:50 <charolastra_> swrangsar: why instead?
17:34:28 <swrangsar> though i couldn''t mine both simultaneously.
17:34:57 <swrangsar> *thought
17:36:21 * charolastra_ is mining ether on GPU and XMR on CPU
17:39:45 <thefool> Anyone up for helping me debug an xmrig ->xmrig-proxy setup that seems to be hashing away but nothing is showing up on the pool side of things?
17:41:49 <moneromooo> Using the right address ? The right pool ?
17:42:47 <thefool> Yes and yes. :)  Those are the first two things I quadruple checked.
17:43:48 <thefool> I'm connecting to the pool from the proxy with no issues, my workers are happily hashing away, and I've used that receive address before and mined successfully with it before.
17:44:28 <sech1> pool in proxy config overrides everything in xmrig config, check your wallet addres in proxy config
17:44:40 <sech1> pool and wallet in proxy config
17:44:53 <thefool> The only sign of wonkiness I get is an occasional "connection reset by peer" message on the proxy.
17:45:17 <thefool> I'll pastbin it if you don't mind.
17:47:40 <thefool> https://paste.debian.net/1189634/
17:51:45 <thefool> @sech1 Right, my understanding is that I point the xmrig at the xmrig-proxy via it's pool and then xmrig-proxy points to the actual pool.
18:11:45 <thefool> Darn, it's definitely something with my proxy. I can mine fine directly connecting to the pool.
18:59:28 <donkeydonkey[m]> hiya all. were doing a transfer with the CLI, and getting a warning bout security. something like "Transaction spends more than one very old output. Privacy would be better if they were sent separately." the originating funds are in a single subaddress. not sure how to handle this with better privacy. thanks
19:01:42 <apotheon> Maybe exchange some Monero with someone else who's friendly.  The problem is that, being old outputs, if they're seen on the chain as going to the same person at the same time the likelihood of them having been sent by the same person from the same wallet is high.
19:01:53 <apotheon> At least, that's my understanding.
19:09:18 <moneromooo> You can try again till it doesn't pick two old outs. If you don't have new outs, you can either do it anywya, since it's no biggie, or send one such output to yourself (sweep_single) and send the original tx a bit later.
19:19:30 <donkeydonkey[m]> so if im tryin ta send the whole amount from the sub-address then maybe splitting it into a few smaller transfers?
19:20:32 <Mochi102> I think there's a way to spend specific outputs... or freeze some too.
19:22:05 <donkeydonkey[m]> balance detail command shows that the subaddress has 2 outputs. not sure how to get more info..
19:23:25 <moneromooo> incoming_transfers available verbose
19:24:11 <donkeydonkey[m]> nice one. that shows me just the account im in too. cool.
19:27:14 <Mochi102> unspent_outputs is also handy
19:27:53 <donkeydonkey[m]> interesting so the sending address has one of its outputs that is equal to the desired transfer amount but the transfer command didnt pick that output i guess it tried to use the other output also... does it randomly pick outputs..
19:45:37 <tuisto[m]> <apotheon "tuisto: Sorry, I didn't realize "> Thank you, yes I am on matrix
19:49:31 <gawdahm> wen moon
19:50:37 <gawdahm> oh sorry, thought this was telegram
19:52:56 <Mochi102> gawdahm, wouldn't it have been full of emojis and animated icon thingies?
19:53:19 <gawdahm> ah true, needed some rockets in there
20:13:17 <nioc> 🍕🍕
21:24:22 <pixelized[m]> yeah, pretty cool
21:24:29 <pixelized[m]> but only really seems useful for very long term trading to me
21:26:37 <pixelized[m]> i've always thought it would at least see 80k one day
21:26:43 <pixelized[m]> <buenchicoakaLordFomo[m] "pixelized: you trade?"> a little
21:26:50 <pixelized[m]> mostly for fun
21:27:04 <pixelized[m]> but i'm building an automated system for it as well
21:27:06 <pixelized[m]> with a friend
21:27:19 <pixelized[m]> we've got a whole framework setup where it interfaces with an exchange
21:27:24 <pixelized[m]> it's got hot-swappable parts
21:27:34 <pixelized[m]> should be done by the end of this month and we'll open source it a bit after
21:27:44 <pixelized[m]> python because easy ai
21:28:01 <pixelized[m]> yeah, go for it
21:31:54 <Monerujos> @SerHack i need your help bro
23:00:37 <showcontroller> just like modern art
23:02:07 <showcontroller> NFT can have some interesting use cases, but they're not really being used for it at the moment
23:02:25 <showcontroller> I don't see much value in an NFT even if it comes from the original artist
23:08:43 <apotheon> I think a lot of the crazy ideas around NFTs right now are from people who want a replacement for DRM.
23:08:43 <apotheon> . . . whereas I think we're better off shitcanning the entire idea of restricted copying.
23:09:56 <apotheon> The closest I see to a good idea related to how people are currently trying to use them is a published claim of authorship.
23:10:03 <showcontroller> Nope. BSD is where it's at
23:10:29 <apotheon> more of a ledger of credit and source of original work than a collectible commodity
23:10:33 <showcontroller> You can use it, but you gotta put my name on it. Copyleft is kinda dumb
23:10:35 <apotheon> showcontroller: To what is "nope"?
23:10:49 <showcontroller> <apotheon "showcontroller: To what is "nope"> copyleft
23:11:24 <apotheon> I hope that wasn't in response to me, because nowhere did I say something pro-copyleft.
23:11:28 <showcontroller> Both the various operating systems and the licenses
23:12:11 <apotheon> Hell, check my freenode cloak, and notice "copyfree" as opposed to "copyleft".
23:12:27 <showcontroller> GPL is a cancer in actual software development
23:12:50 <apotheon> Did someone say something positive about copyleft licensing policy here?
23:13:03 <apotheon> I wonder if I'm not seeing something from someone, now.
23:14:54 <showcontroller> <apotheon "I wonder if I'm not seeing somet"> Do you not see buen chico?
23:15:17 <showcontroller> GPL keeps things perpetually in development
23:15:28 <apotheon> I guess not.  Is this person still talking?
23:15:33 <apotheon> I wonder why.
23:16:18 <showcontroller> <apotheon "I guess not.  Is this person sti"> Yeah, he's still chatting a bunch
23:16:22 <apotheon> I'm pretty sure "buen chico" isn't a valid IRC username, so I have no idea what you mean.
23:16:32 <showcontroller> I'm in the matrix room
23:16:36 <apotheon> ah
23:16:49 <apotheon> I didn't see [m] on your nick, so I didn't realize that.
23:16:57 <apotheon> lovely
23:17:22 <apotheon> I guess your nick is too long to show the [m] here.
23:18:03 <apotheon> I suppose a username that isn't valid (because of spaces) in IRC might be why I don't see the person.  Yet again, the Matrix bridge creates problems of communication.
23:18:44 <showcontroller> Bridging always has issues in practice
23:18:53 <apotheon> seems to be the case
23:19:23 <apotheon> There was a Ruby Forum bridge with the ruby-talk mailing list that, from the mailing list side at least, always seemed to be remarkably good, though.
23:19:30 <apotheon> I never saw a problem with that at all.
23:20:52 <apotheon> showcontroller: Do you know a console-based Matrix client with a copyfree license (e.g. BSD, ISC, or MIT) that offers vi-like keybindings?
23:21:14 <apotheon> console, as in a text user interface, not a GUI
23:21:15 <nioc> Because of the freenode settings the matrix name needs to be registered with freenode in order to be seen on IRC
23:21:23 <apotheon> ah
23:21:48 <apotheon> . . . and you can't register a name with spaces, I guess.
23:21:58 <showcontroller> I just started using matrix not too long ago. Using the desktop client on my mac
23:22:00 <nioc> .shrug
23:22:15 <showcontroller> When I used IRC a few years back, I used hexchat
23:23:37 <showcontroller> buen chico said gomuks is a terminal client for matrix
23:24:02 <apotheon> I know someone who reports the Matrix bridge sometimes not allowing him to see a particular person who's in IRC, too.  I wonder what that's about.
23:24:29 <apotheon> showcontroller: Sure, but gomuks is AGPL.
23:24:33 <apotheon> . . . so not copyfree.
23:25:16 <showcontroller> I hadn't checked the license, just relaying what he said
23:25:31 <apotheon> I also don't think it has vi-like keybindings.
23:25:41 <showcontroller> Personally, I don't have much of a problem using GPL software. I just stay away from it when I develop software
23:26:21 <apotheon> I don't really feel enthused about using software to which I'm unwilling to contribute.
23:26:33 <apotheon> I know others who feel similarly.
23:27:06 <apotheon> I do occasionally deal with some copyleft software, unfortunately, but I'm not going to slit my own throat over it, so . . . there we go.
23:27:06 <showcontroller> Certainly depends on what the software is and how involved I want to be
23:27:45 <apotheon> I'm not invested enough in Matrix to bend on licensing yet.
23:28:09 <apotheon> I'm so uninvested that the only reason I'm even curious about it is that it would likely be a huge improvement over Discord.
23:28:31 <showcontroller> It's written using the tcell library for Go. I actually started working on a project recently that uses a library based on tcell called tview
23:28:33 <apotheon> (and I have to deal with Discord for a couple hours a week at present)
23:28:48 <showcontroller> Discord is awful
23:29:01 <apotheon> yeah
23:29:04 <apotheon> a real shitshow
23:29:24 <apotheon> and run by people who happily violate privacy for some kind of sucky bottom line
23:29:44 <showcontroller> I can't believe people actually use it as much as they do
23:31:13 <apotheon> I guess I'll just stick with the web client for Matrix if I end up trying it out.
23:31:28 <apotheon> The console-based clients I've found all look kinda . . . meh, at best.
23:37:36 <donkeydonkey[m]> buenchico not sure if you setup for irc correctly
23:42:30 <donkeydonkey[m]> yeah i think its the way they changed the matrix bridge recently. someone posted this, i followed it and it works. https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Guide:-How-to-use-Matrix-to-participate-in-IRC-rooms
23:46:38 <rupee[m]> no, just send a private message to NickServ from within Element
23:48:08 <rupee[m]> honestly, I'm not 100% sure, but I have two accounts, rupee and rupee[m].  I registered rupee[m] from within matrix