00:08:45 <apotheon> Today, I learned that the potential bandwidth usage per month for running a Monero node is ridiculously outside the realm of my comfort zone.  The "several terabytes" cited in "How to Run a Monero Node" might be more than my ISP will allow.
00:12:08 <selsta> you can limit your node bandwidth limits and also how many in / out connections you make
00:13:19 <selsta> also a normal pruned node does not use several terabyte
00:13:58 <selsta> just checked one of my nodes, 100GB used in half a month
00:15:09 <leonardus> I used 50GB in the past 30 days but I don't keep the node running 24/7.
00:21:33 <apotheon> I should check how much slack we have in our ISP connection for that.
00:22:00 <apotheon> Is most of that data usage from seeding?
00:22:48 <ndorf> several terabytes seems way more than i'd expect
00:23:21 <apotheon> It was certainly a lot more than I expected.
00:23:58 <nioc> public node or just for you?
00:24:40 <apotheon> I guess just for me, given the potential for terabytes of data usage in a month.
00:24:52 <ndorf> are they talking about public RPC?
00:24:58 <apotheon> I have no idea.
00:25:02 <apotheon> https://www.monero.how/how-to-run-monero-node
00:25:05 <apotheon> end of the second paragraph
00:25:10 <ndorf> with RPC open to the public, i could perhaps imagine that.
00:25:32 <ndorf> here's the stats from my node, with no RPC, no bandwidth limits, on a 100Mb connection: https://imgur.com/a/64bBiAp
00:26:47 <ndorf> i guess that's 1.325TB in a month? 531.1 * 3600 * 24 * 31 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024
00:27:43 <ndorf> my home node (where i am subject to comcast's iron fisted rule) uses a 100KB/s upload limit, and i think less than 200GB/month, not 100% sure
00:29:08 <nioc> I have choice of 2 services and luckily neither is comcast, both have no data cap
00:29:23 <apotheon> Yeah, over 1TB was my back-of-the-envelope calculation.
00:29:44 <ndorf> yeah, the providers in NYC were much better than comcast. probably the fact that you have a choice of more than 1 of them has something to do with it
00:30:00 <apotheon> There's only one here.
00:30:04 <ndorf> comcast didn't have a data cap when i moved here, they announced it literally 2 weeks after google announced they were stopping their fiber rollout
00:30:13 <nioc> lol
00:30:29 <ndorf> apotheon: in any case, the node works perfectly fine with 100KB/s upload limit, probably even less (haven't tried)
00:30:33 <apotheon> Even better, Comcast likes to pretend it doesn't have a cap even when it does.
00:30:58 <apotheon> ndorf: Yeah, but close to 1.5TB seems like it'd cause issues.
00:31:06 <ndorf> most of the towns around me have gigabit fiber, either through google or utopia (a public-private partnership). mine decided to spend the money on a soccer stadium instead
00:31:14 <apotheon> We both work from home here, so we use a lot of bandwidth for that, plus there's entertainment and so on.
00:31:21 <ndorf> apotheon: right but it can't use more than 240GB or so with a 100KB limit
00:31:41 <apotheon> ah
00:31:42 <apotheon> hmm
00:31:56 <ndorf> if that's not good enough you could always try an even lower limit. 100KB is sufficient to keep me well under my datacap though
00:32:13 <apotheon> I just need to figure out my cap.
00:32:25 <apotheon> ugh
00:32:36 <apotheon> Comcast research is not my idea of fun.
00:32:44 <ndorf> if you're on comcast it's probably 1.2TB/mo
00:35:06 <ndorf> just in case it wasn't clear, the stats graph i posted is from another node, with no bandwidth limits, not the one at home
00:36:41 <ndorf> just to illustrate the most you'd expect with no limits
00:41:52 <apotheon> righto
00:43:25 <ndorf> you can use the `limit_up` command to change this limit without restarting monerod
00:44:10 <ndorf> then the --limit-rate-up parameter to have it effective on startup
00:44:37 <ndorf> (don't think you need or want to limit the download bandwidth, but there are similar options for that)
00:48:19 <apotheon> ndorf: Thanks for the info.
00:48:28 <ndorf> you got it
00:50:31 <apotheon> Now I just need to see if I can build monero-cli and monerod on my systems.
00:52:09 <ndorf> should be straightforward
02:00:10 <grc001[m]> Hey ,i just monero, but the wallet address looks wrong. i got 0 confirnmations atm, any chance of canceling transfer?
02:00:45 <grc001[m]> Hold  up looks fine. No probs.
03:28:33 <vwfrvffkzhqn> Did you know that all witdraw-buyer-seller-depoist chains are trackable in Monero? No? You should have read Breaking Monero. How many people are you endangering with your 'privacy' coin?
03:31:50 <louipc> zero
04:35:54 <ArticMine> Just to let everyone know that I have created a Twitter profile under @ArticMineCA
04:42:21 <louipc> why
04:42:42 <ArticMine> Security
04:44:15 <ArticMine> Make sure members of the community know what my handle on Twitter is
04:44:31 <swissmoney69> i use mastodon instead
04:45:58 <ArticMine> I need to look into mastodon
08:38:33 <sssb54> how big are your pruned blockchains?
08:42:27 <dEBRUYNE> About 30 GB
08:57:29 <sssb54> still pruning mine, its at 31 on my lenovo t500 with an hdd
09:06:47 <moneromooo> ~33 GB here.
09:11:12 <Mochi101> sssb54, it'll be the same size on an ssd
09:11:17 <Mochi101> :D
09:14:15 <moneromooo> You mean, from heavy data disk to slim size disk, and it doesn't shrink ? WTF.
09:18:27 <Mochi101> crazy right?
09:25:20 <sssb54> yeah its been 7 days of importing the .raw file and pruning on my lenovo t500 with an hdd
09:27:19 <moneromooo> ouch...
09:27:44 <moneromooo> Pruning an already synced (or mostly synced) chain is very slow.
09:36:53 <swrangsar> with xmrig gcc version of windows i get read error: "end of file"
09:37:04 <swrangsar> xmrig 6.10
09:38:04 <moneromooo> Check you're connecting to the right host/port, no firewall or the like.
10:17:13 <cwlfvnzjcjcj> Remember kids. If you call project coral reef for what it is - fluffypony embezzling half a mil usd from the monero fund for a website with smaller adoption than monero woo plugin, you will get excommunicated. Why do you think charities need Teslas? They don't and Elon won't support Monero 150k will sure buy a lot of party time for those that actually do get it.
10:28:19 <Mochi101> oh man... SerHack... now even a swipe at the woo plugin
10:28:22 <Mochi101> how offensive
10:28:51 <vikrantsCake[m]> Who is this idiot?
10:29:14 <SerHack> lol it's not the first time
10:29:14 <Mochi101> nobody knows for sure
10:29:31 <SerHack> but at least I got mentioned, thnx random guy!
10:29:36 <Mochi101> hahahaha
11:20:45 <Traveller37> Hello all
11:21:04 <Traveller37> Guys, i am using Monero GUI wallet on Linux, when i keep it open for awhile its close with itself
11:21:14 <Traveller37> i see monerod running on background
11:21:17 <Traveller37> is it a normal behavior ?
11:22:19 <moneromooo> Can you rephrase "when i keep it open for awhile its close with itself" ?
11:25:36 <charolastra> do you mean crashing or just locking itself?
11:26:53 <Traveller37> means crashing
11:27:02 <Traveller37> or lets say disappear
11:27:12 <Traveller37> i can see the monerod running in background
11:29:35 <charolastra> certainly not normal behavior. if you start it from a terminal you should get some kind of crash message
11:35:35 <Traveller37> ok
11:35:47 <Traveller37> when i start it again, its trying to reconnect to the dameon
11:35:53 <Traveller37> but seems its kill / start the dameon
11:35:57 <Traveller37> as i find its PID change
11:49:25 <Traveller37> what if i just started the daemon
11:49:45 <Traveller37> directly without opening the wallet GUI
11:50:02 <Traveller37> is it going to completed the synchronization ?
11:50:20 <charolastra> yes, and the gui should detect it running and connect when you start it later
11:50:46 <Traveller37> ok
11:51:05 <Traveller37> btw i start it using ./monero-wallet-gui
11:51:21 <Traveller37> not /monero-wallet-gui.AppImage
11:51:36 <charolastra> me too
11:51:51 <Traveller37> when i start the gui later it does not detect the daemon it seems it kill/start it
11:52:04 <Traveller37> ah i get this:
11:52:05 <Traveller37> Forking to background
11:52:08 <Traveller37> !
11:52:34 <selsta> Traveller37: are you using simple mode?
11:52:53 <Traveller37> Nope
11:53:09 <selsta> can you start the gui with gdb and get a crash log?
11:54:28 <Traveller37> okay
11:54:31 <Traveller37> but it could take awhile
11:54:41 <Traveller37> as it usually do this behavior after half an hour or so
11:55:10 <Traveller37> i would like to ask about backup
11:55:26 <Traveller37> after finish synchronization
11:55:37 <Traveller37> may i take a back of the whole system and keep it somewhere ?
11:56:23 <Traveller37> or i just need to the keys, and start download the transaction ?
11:57:50 <selsta> you can make a backup of the blockchain and move it to a different system
11:58:03 <selsta> you can also backup the keys
11:58:14 <charolastra> the keys are in your wallet file. which can be restored with your seed phrase
12:14:25 <Traveller37> seed phrase is the one i received when i created the keys right?
12:14:44 <charolastra> yes, 24 words
12:15:37 <charolastra> which you wrote down and stored safely in a different location :)
12:16:03 <Traveller37> lol yes
12:17:45 <Traveller37> so its enough to copy the keys, along side with the password
12:17:49 <Traveller37> and i can rebuild the wallet
12:18:07 <Traveller37> and if i want to save the downloading time, i should copy the  blockchain folder as well
12:18:42 <Traveller37> Sorry for asking a lot
12:19:19 <charolastra> the wallet just holds the keys. the wallet can be restored through the seed words or can be copied
12:19:27 <Traveller37> also my question could be more specific like this:
12:19:27 <Traveller37> If i got a copy of blockchain offline for a month or so, the wallet can use it as base and complete it, or there is a point where i will need to startover from beginning ?
12:19:46 <dEBRUYNE> You can simply keep an old month copy and use that, if needed
12:21:51 <Traveller37> Thank you all
12:24:17 <charolastra> Traveller37: and you can have the blockchain locally (full node). resume from a previous copy. that's the same as if you would start it after some days. it just resumes
12:35:55 <Traveller37> charolastra this is what i did
12:36:09 <Traveller37> but i was not sure if it will always resume, or there is an out of date point which require full new download
12:36:33 <moneromooo> Never is, unless bug.
12:36:51 <Traveller37> okay, thanks guys
12:36:56 <charolastra> should be fine. i've left it sitting for years a few times and it just resumed
12:37:28 <charolastra> just make sure you're using the up to date versions of the software and don't resume with the old software
12:37:29 <moneromooo> Well, I suppose in the future there might be a massive DB format change for which adding migration code would be too hairy... Hasn't happened so far though.
16:18:49 <zcrfzffr> Do you also secretly wisth your mother was Howard's groupie? https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/bxl87y/it_has_been_a_5_years_since_monero_was_released/eq7qior/
16:21:37 <Mochi102> My mother IS one of Howard's groupies.
16:22:30 <apotheon> nice
16:22:58 <Mochi102> I wisth you the best Howard.
18:27:50 <f3r0x> what is the benefit of a ledger nano
18:31:19 <moneromooo> Keeping your secret spend key off your potentially pwned hardware.
18:32:15 <f3r0x> can ledger get pwned
18:32:26 <f3r0x> e.g. pwn itself by failing
18:33:18 <moneromooo> Probably.
18:34:07 <f3r0x> then wtf do you do in that case
18:34:37 <moneromooo> Buy another.
18:38:10 <f3r0x> what happens to your bitcoins
18:38:15 <f3r0x> on the ledger
18:38:52 <moneromooo> If you did not have a copy of your keys, they are inaccessible.
18:39:14 <f3r0x> eek!
18:39:19 <DisBotXMR4> <Bananaboat> Trezor FTW
18:39:25 <f3r0x> ok so ledgers suck i guess
18:39:26 <DisBotXMR4> <Bananaboat> ledger is piss - i have both
18:39:26 <Quotes> peanut butter jelly time!
18:39:31 <DisBotXMR4> <Bananaboat> trezor is open source
18:39:38 <DisBotXMR4> <Bananaboat> you can downgrade/upgrade it all you want
18:39:48 <DisBotXMR4> <Bananaboat> ledger is closed source if you upgrade, and it breaks something your screwed.
18:39:53 <DisBotXMR4> <Bananaboat> not downgradeable
18:41:03 <Moneroship[m]> https://safu.ninja/
18:41:10 <Moneroship[m]> ^I use a multi-sig for my Trezor
18:41:21 <Moneroship[m]> I have 4 seeds - and require any 3 to 'restore' my trezor
18:41:37 <Moneroship[m]> so i can give 2 to my mom/dad and one to each brother etc for example
18:41:53 <Moneroship[m]> no one can access my funds without consent from another family member
18:42:07 <Moneroship[m]> if my family  member gets robbed, they arent liable for my funds as they only have 1 seed etc
18:42:31 <moneromooo> Except if they get robbed by another ^_^
18:43:06 <Moneroship[m]> well if one gets robbed ill be switching my wallet anyways lol
18:43:36 <moneromooo> I'd seen this story about a (legal) safe breaker who got in a home to break a safe. Had checked the client's id and address. Turns out it was the son trying to rob his father while he was away :D
18:44:15 <Moneroship[m]> yeah for sure, definitely dont do that if you cant trust the people you are providing a seed to
18:44:22 <Moneroship[m]> you can also use multiple safety deposit boxes etc..
18:46:12 <Moneroship[m]> & you can password protect an account with trezor so even if they did restore it, they still wouldnt have access
19:03:37 <Mochi102> Moneroship[m], what if someone tied your mother to a chair and hit her with a $5 wrench until she got on the phone with the rest of the people that had the keys and convinced them to give them up.
19:04:12 <Moneroship[m]> again then use a safety deposit box if your seriously that paranoid
19:04:30 <Moneroship[m]> you can use multiple banks.
19:05:00 <charolastra> and buy your mother a gun so that such scenarios don't happen
19:05:08 <Moneroship[m]> she has many
19:05:09 <Moneroship[m]> lol
19:05:10 <Mochi102> Oh nice charolastra
19:05:13 <Moneroship[m]> goodluck
19:05:54 <Mochi102> /note ADD Make sure there are no gunes.
19:05:57 <Mochi102> oops
19:07:21 <Moneroship[m]> i think your better off stealing crypto on the internet xD
19:07:48 <Mochi102> Lots of people carry cash too.
19:08:04 <Mochi102> or a debit card
19:08:37 <Moneroship[m]> everyone who is stealing cash or debit cards has no idea about crypto nor are they capable of creating such a coordinated attack against multiple people across multiple states.
19:08:48 <Moneroship[m]> so idk what were talking about
19:09:11 <Moneroship[m]> your arguing against the most secure way to store crypto
19:09:14 <Moneroship[m]> lmao
19:10:24 <Moneroship[m]> legit #1 safest way to store crypto = multi sig
19:11:10 <moneromooo> Nope. Safest is to have > 51% of the chain.
19:11:34 <Moneroship[m]> that makes no sense
19:11:43 <Mochi102> locked_transfer <address> 100000
19:11:59 <Mochi102> Safe that it can't be moved for 100k blocks
19:12:42 <Mochi102> locked_transfer <address> <amount> 100000
19:12:50 <Mochi102> sorry... forgot the amount
19:12:56 <Moneroship[m]> and how do you secure that address?
19:12:58 <Moneroship[m]> multi-sig...
19:12:59 <Moneroship[m]> >.>
19:13:01 <Moneroship[m]> <.<
19:13:20 <Moneroship[m]> am i new to crypto? lol is it me?
19:13:30 <Mochi102> Multi sig isn't the safest, you just need 2 people to conspire to take it.
19:13:38 <apotheon> 19:04 < Moneroship[m]> again then use a safety deposit box if your seriously that paranoid
19:13:46 <apotheon> Those are subject to things like warrants.
19:13:56 <shillo> just hold your crypto on exchanges :3
19:13:59 <Mochi102> With a locked transfer it's network enforced.
19:14:39 <Moneroship[m]> the address where you locked the transfer?????
19:14:54 <Mochi102> So even if the two people conspired together it'd be impossible to take it until it was unlocked.
19:14:54 <Moneroship[m]> you still cant argue there is a more secure way to secure your wallet that doesnt involve multi-sig
19:15:16 <Moneroship[m]> but they stole the seeds with a 5$ wrench remember
19:15:19 <Moneroship[m]> you dont have them anymore?
19:15:43 <shillo> tattoo your seed on the inside of you lips
19:15:57 <apotheon> I'm more concerned with securing myself than the wallet.  The wallet only holds value for me if I'm still here to use it.
19:16:07 <shillo> they'll steal your multi sig info with a wrench as well
19:16:17 <Mochi102> tattoo them around the opening of your prison purse shillo
19:16:23 <Moneroship[m]> yeah but id rather my family have access to it in the event that something happens to me
19:16:28 <shillo> Mochi102: u mean the inside sir
19:16:34 <Mochi102> owch
19:16:37 <Moneroship[m]> but its harder to steal 4 seeds than it is to steal 1
19:16:39 <Moneroship[m]> thats the point
19:16:43 <Moneroship[m]> no matter what your 'plan of attack is'
19:16:54 <Moneroship[m]> there is still no way that is more secure than a multi-sig
19:16:56 <Moneroship[m]> .....
19:16:57 <shillo> not really, with the wrench that is
19:17:14 <Moneroship[m]> you need to drive to 3 different states for mine lol
19:17:24 <shillo> use wrench to get seed, test it, it doesn't work? use wrench more forcefully
19:17:45 <Mochi102> What if you give 12 word of your seed to 25 people and the order of the seed to another Moneroship[m] ?
19:17:46 <Moneroship[m]> stupid af
19:17:58 <Mochi102> er 1 word of your seed to 1 person
19:18:12 <Moneroship[m]> then you require every party to participate
19:18:40 <shillo> just store your seed on a google doc
19:18:41 <Moneroship[m]> andd you can do the same thing with multi-sig
19:18:44 <Mochi102> When someone is beating your mother on the other end of a phone call...
19:18:48 <Moneroship[m]> literally ..... thers nothing more secure than multi-sig lol
19:19:05 <shillo> ak47 more secure than multisig sir
19:19:28 <Moneroship[m]> so you keep your savings in an exchange?
19:19:32 <Moneroship[m]> or you have the keys to your wallet?
19:19:45 <shillo> I store my savings in USD
19:19:56 <shillo> at BofA
19:20:00 <Mochi102> I'm the second poorest guy in Europe.
19:21:09 <Moneroship[m]> go beat someones mother for a seed
19:21:30 <Mochi102> Please don't tell me how to live my life.
19:21:38 <Moneroship[m]> see if it works and if the cops dont show up before you get it out of her lol
19:21:49 <Moneroship[m]> see if you get shot
19:22:30 <Mochi102> You must have a lot of XMR to put your mother in such risk Moneroship[m]
19:22:32 <Moneroship[m]> whats more secure than 1 seed w/ an ak47?
19:22:32 <Moneroship[m]> 4 seeds in 4 states with 4 ak47s.
19:23:01 <Moneroship[m]> ok im just not a dumbass thats going to lose access to my shit if my house burns down lol
19:23:19 <shillo> I lose everything if my house burns down
19:23:29 <Moneroship[m]> exactly dumbass
19:23:30 <shillo> except my money. Thanks BofA
19:23:57 <Mochi102> Just email your seed to yourself on your hotmail account.
19:24:01 <shillo> ^ based
19:24:13 <Moneroship[m]> paranoid af in monero chat lmao
19:24:34 <shillo> wait
19:24:54 <shillo> who is paranoid here talking about multisigging across multiple states
19:25:24 <apotheon> shillo: BofA is fucking malevolent.  At least pick a less awful bank.
19:25:51 <Mochi102> Literally throw it into an encrypted truecrypt container and email it to yourself Moneroship[m]
19:25:57 <Moneroship[m]> your the one that is paranoid enough to believe a thief with a wrench will go across multiple states to find a multi-sig lmao
19:26:05 <shillo> apotheon: https://www.joeydevilla.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/grumpy-cat-no.jpg
19:26:34 <apotheon> shillo: I don't understand the desire to punish yourself.
19:26:42 <Moneroship[m]> i dont think its paranoid to be responsible with my assets in the event i die my family has access.
19:26:52 <apotheon> I stay the hell away from shitshows like BofA, Chase, and WU.
19:26:55 <Mochi102> shillo, what's wrong with Wells Fargo?
19:26:57 <apotheon> err, sorry, not WU
19:27:00 <apotheon> umm
19:27:04 <Moneroship[m]> Idk why the hell thats being 'paranoid' but being scared of a guy with a wrench isnt paranoid?
19:27:05 <apotheon> what's it called again
19:27:07 <shillo> Mochi102: :)
19:27:14 <apotheon> There's definitely a W in that bank name.
19:27:22 <apotheon> Oh, Wells Fargo.
19:27:22 <Mochi102> Wells Fargo?
19:27:29 <apotheon> Yeah, that's the other huge-evil bank.
19:27:37 <apotheon> Thanks.
19:27:37 <Mochi102> They're awesome to me.
19:27:49 <shillo> HSBC bretty gud
19:27:57 <apotheon> Mochi102: It's a matter of luck.
19:28:09 <shillo> never ask me questions when I bring in lots of cash
19:28:36 <Mochi102> Nah... apotheon... probably depends on your account balance a bit.
19:28:59 <apotheon> I have a pretty good bank account balance.
19:29:07 <Mochi102> and how long you've been a customer.
19:29:13 <Mochi102> apotheon, how much?
19:29:20 <apotheon> not planning to share that
19:29:26 <swissmoney69> why not an online bank?
19:29:35 <apotheon> multiples of average savings in the US
19:29:35 <Mochi102> Come on, I have my $5 ready apotheon
19:29:46 <apotheon> not really keen to share even orders of magnitude
19:29:51 <Mochi102> apotheon, what's even the average savings in the USA?
19:30:00 <shillo> whats the average savings in usa? like $1k?
19:30:20 <Mochi102> $5
19:30:29 <shillo> lol
19:30:41 <apotheon> 41K, evidently
19:30:47 <apotheon> median is 5Kish
19:30:57 <swissmoney69> source?
19:31:22 <Mochi102> So you're rich like fluffypony then apotheon ?
19:31:36 <apotheon> probably not that wealthy
19:31:40 <Mochi102> How many $400k watches do you have?
19:31:56 <apotheon> I don't know fluffypony's numbers, though.
19:31:58 <apotheon> Mochi102: zero
19:32:23 <apotheon> I have a 100ish USD watch, because I don't need ostentation.
19:32:34 <Mochi102> I don't even own a watch.
19:32:40 <Mochi102> That's how poor I am.
19:32:43 <shillo> time is evil
19:32:49 <shillo> I also do not have a watch
19:32:49 <apotheon> I'd guess fluffypony's numbers are outstanding.
19:33:19 <apotheon> Mochi102: You could get a nine dollar watch.  I have one on the handlebar of a motorcycle because it's cheaper than buying a motorcycle-specific chronometer.
19:33:24 <charolastra> i don't need a watch. that's how rich i am :p
19:33:45 <apotheon> The nine dollar watch is, of course, a wristwatch.
19:34:54 <Mochi102> I have no idea about anybody... the watch is up there with the boating accident meme.
19:35:53 <Mochi102> Anyways...
19:37:07 <apotheon> I'm beginning to suspect Mochi102 has more money than me.
19:37:22 <Bill48105> kek
19:37:29 <shillo> watches are for poor ppl to feel good about the money they have tbh
19:37:30 <apotheon> didn't even buy a watch
19:37:48 <Mochi102> nah... I really am poor
19:37:59 <apotheon> shillo: Mine is so I don't need an internet connection and/or a charger to check the time.
19:38:06 <Mochi102> I don't even own a couch or a tv or a microwave or a coffee maker
19:38:31 <shillo> apotheon: when I get tired its time for sleeping
19:38:41 <apotheon> me too
19:38:50 <shillo> when hungry, eat
19:38:59 <apotheon> Sometimes, though, I meet with people, or have to intersect withsomeone else's schedule, or whatever.
19:39:08 <apotheon> s/withsome/with some/
19:39:39 <apotheon> I do opt out of DST, though.
19:39:44 <apotheon> That's easy to do.
19:39:44 <shillo> I just show up at people's places or message them telling them im on my way
19:39:55 <apotheon> I use paper, too, in addition to a hand-wound watch.  Le gasp.
19:40:09 <shillo> apotheon: I live in a place where time changes do not exist :)
19:40:09 <apotheon> shillo: Does that work when you have to deal with gub'mint?
19:40:15 <apotheon> shillo: lucky you
19:40:19 <apotheon> Where do you live?
19:40:26 <shillo> saskatchewan
19:40:29 <apotheon> ah
19:40:33 <apotheon> definite trade-off
19:40:54 <Mochi102> There are benefits to living in SK though.
19:40:55 <shillo> winter is almost over and its getting to be above freezing during the day now :(
19:40:56 <apotheon> I'm leaning toward Montana, though it, too, has DST, unfortunately.
19:41:22 <Mochi102> Saskatchewan is so flat that if your dog runs away you can sit on your portch and watch it for 3 days.
19:41:31 <Mochi102> porch
19:41:36 <shillo> montana is prob where I'd live if I had to move to the states
19:41:40 <shillo> or alaska
19:42:00 <Mochi102> AK is nice... but getting in and out is a major pain.
19:42:07 <apotheon> . . . depending on how much you'd want to have the coast near you?
19:42:08 <moneromooo> in your porsche*
19:42:28 <Mochi102> moneromooo, :)
19:43:39 <apotheon> The Porsche would be good for Montana.
19:43:54 <apotheon> There's kind of a culture of "it ain't none of your business how fast I go on an empty road".
19:43:55 <Mochi102> moneromooo, you never share which country you're in hey?
19:45:20 <moneromooo> Oh I do. Just not with y'all :P
19:45:28 <Mochi102> hahaha
19:45:41 <Mochi102> y'all... so American.
19:45:46 <Mochi102> :P
19:46:46 <apotheon> moneromooo: Thanks for spelling that correctly.
19:47:07 <Mochi102> y'all?
19:47:13 <apotheon> yep
19:47:41 <apotheon> It kinda bugs me when people spell it incorrectly.
20:46:37 <rupee[m]> I'm guessing you're not from Alabama apotheon
20:46:42 <rupee[m]> it's spelled ya'll
20:47:02 <rupee[m]> [which makes no sense, but I swear that's the more common spelling there]
20:47:38 <apotheon> rupee[m]: That's more about the people than the language.
20:47:53 <apotheon> (having been to Alabama)
20:48:16 <apotheon> Where in the US do people marry their own relatives more often than Abalama?
20:48:28 <rupee[m]> Mississippi of course
20:49:20 <rupee[m]> Mississippians would say Lousiana. It's always one state to the left
20:49:28 <apotheon> har
20:50:01 <apotheon> This is not making a great case for people in Abalama knowing how to spell.
20:50:52 <rupee[m]> lolol
20:51:51 <rupee[m]> got an email today with monero spelled as minero twice. Don't think i'd seen that one before
20:52:20 <rupee[m]> monroe, montero, morono, romero, but never minero
21:04:23 <apotheon> Maybe someone's just used to typing "miner".
21:24:31 <BobWao> Hello world
21:26:04 <moneromooo> hi
22:38:34 <hqvcnfvduozx> Why does the Saviour of NASA take a group achievement award and present it as a proof of individual glory? https://twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683
22:40:22 <louipc> because its fun and hilarious