03:15:47 <lord_fomo[m]> anyone know anything about solana
03:15:55 <lord_fomo[m]> as why i should hate it presumably 😂
03:15:57 <lord_fomo[m]> https://medium.com/solana-labs/sealevel-parallel-processing-thousands-of-smart-contracts-d814b378192
03:28:26 <anon_udxf6fdz[m]> At least it's not nano
03:28:35 <raecarruth> kek
03:34:53 <lord_fomo[m]> lel
03:35:04 <lord_fomo[m]> but like, is it legit or just a pamp
03:35:06 <lord_fomo[m]> written in rust
03:37:46 <lord_fomo[m]> i heard it's all peeps from that one hw company
03:37:51 <lord_fomo[m]> who makes cellphones
03:37:54 <lord_fomo[m]> fack  can't member the name
03:37:57 <UkoeHB> “Cloudbreak, our accounts database, is a mapping of Public Keys to Accounts. Accounts maintain balances and data, where data is a vector of bytes.” It’s like an optimized distributed sql database or something...
03:38:04 <lord_fomo[m]> qualcom
03:38:24 <lord_fomo[m]> it's got some "proof of history" algo
03:39:24 <lord_fomo[m]> https://twitter.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1372556033957187591
03:39:31 <lord_fomo[m]> fack wrong link
03:39:32 <lord_fomo[m]> https://medium.com/solana-labs/proof-of-history-a-clock-for-blockchain-cf47a61a9274
03:40:33 <lord_fomo[m]> i'm not crypto savvy enough to know if it's legit
03:40:37 <lord_fomo[m]> like the actual algo
03:42:02 <lord_fomo[m]> their marketting is indeed to memey
03:49:25 <UkoeHB> Kinda see what they are doing... seems a bit ambitious to put heuristics so deep in their protocol
03:51:25 <anon_udxf6fdz[m]> At this point, crypto has progressed so much that none of us can understand. Even the developers of one project don't fully understand another project.
03:52:58 <anon_udxf6fdz[m]> We're naturally going to tend towards fud, since we've already chosen our crypto of choice.
03:53:22 <anon_udxf6fdz[m]> I.e. did you know solana went down for 8 hours in december. Like the whole network
03:53:43 <lord_fomo[m]> no
03:53:45 <lord_fomo[m]> link?
03:53:49 <lord_fomo[m]> i'd like to read on that for sure
03:53:57 <lord_fomo[m]> and thanks
03:54:00 <anon_udxf6fdz[m]> It's on their medium
03:54:12 <lord_fomo[m]> kk
03:54:29 <lord_fomo[m]> i'm pretty interested in a chain for signing aggregate trades
03:54:35 <lord_fomo[m]> so speed is somewhat of a requirement
03:55:53 <anon_udxf6fdz[m]> You mean order matching?
03:56:02 <lord_fomo[m]> no
03:56:05 <lord_fomo[m]> i mean order grouping
03:56:10 <lord_fomo[m]> then submission for matching
03:56:19 <lord_fomo[m]> not clearing
03:56:49 <lord_fomo[m]> more like, multi-player, trustless collaborative trades
03:57:26 <lord_fomo[m]> the clearing system would be market specific
03:57:41 <anon_udxf6fdz[m]> And what's the purpose of that?
03:57:49 <lord_fomo[m]> lol
03:57:50 <lord_fomo[m]> does it matter
03:57:55 <lord_fomo[m]> what is the purpose of trading
03:58:02 <lord_fomo[m]> to make money
03:58:30 <lord_fomo[m]> more obviously, many small accounts in aggregate = few large accounts
03:59:40 <anon_udxf6fdz[m]> How would it make money?
03:59:49 <lord_fomo[m]> trading makes money
03:59:59 <lord_fomo[m]> sorry i'm not sure i understand if you understand
04:00:03 <lord_fomo[m]> have you ever traded before?
04:00:05 <UkoeHB> I came up with aggregate tx protocol for monero called txtangle. Not sure if that’s the same thing
04:00:14 <lord_fomo[m]> link me
04:00:32 <lord_fomo[m]> if you're a profitable trader
04:00:38 <lord_fomo[m]> then that means you make more money then you lose
04:00:42 <UkoeHB> https://web.getmonero.org/library/Zero-to-Monero-2-0-0.pdf chapter 11
04:00:44 <lord_fomo[m]> if you combine traders like this
04:00:47 <lord_fomo[m]> they have more capital
04:00:50 <lord_fomo[m]> in aggregate
04:00:59 <UkoeHB> It’s prob not that efficient though
04:01:08 <lord_fomo[m]> sweet thx
04:01:54 <lord_fomo[m]> let me read and i'll poke you with questions if that's cool
04:02:03 <UkoeHB> The solana protocol looks a bit interesting, though it sounds like they have gated node participation
04:02:07 <UkoeHB> Sure thing :)
04:03:12 <lord_fomo[m]> if you dig into it please do share insights
04:03:12 <UkoeHB> Stellar’s federated Byzantine agreement model is more interesting because it allows any node to participate. I could be misunderstanding Solana tho..
04:03:19 <lord_fomo[m]> because a lot of it is a bit over my head
04:03:26 <lord_fomo[m]> i didn't do much cryptography in edu
04:03:54 <lord_fomo[m]> i haven't read stellar's design at all
04:04:01 <UkoeHB> Consensus protocols are not crypto for the most part - only transaction protocols use a lot of crypto
04:04:10 <lord_fomo[m]> sure true
04:04:28 <lord_fomo[m]> still it's a lot of the crypto parlance and i think presumed knowledge
04:04:38 <lord_fomo[m]> consensus stuff is definitely more familiar
04:04:58 <lord_fomo[m]> though BFT i still haven't gone fully through
04:05:03 <UkoeHB> I wouldn’t advise trying to understand stellar white paper it is headache inducing
04:05:11 <lord_fomo[m]> kk
04:05:18 <lord_fomo[m]> read code then?
04:06:22 <UkoeHB> hm well I have a paper on it coming out sometime in near future... best hope I guess
04:06:56 <lord_fomo[m]> https://github.com/stellar/stellar-core/blob/master/src/scp/readme.md
04:06:58 <lord_fomo[m]> oh really
04:07:05 <lord_fomo[m]> nice then will definitely read it
04:07:37 <anon_udxf6fdz[m]> <UkoeHB "hm well I have a paper on it com"> Do you just do this for fun?
04:07:43 <UkoeHB> well federated Byzantine agreement is pretty fun, but the deeper stellar protocol is tough
04:07:45 <lord_fomo[m]> lol
04:08:22 <UkoeHB> well ztm was for fun, I am getting paid for the new paper
04:08:26 <lord_fomo[m]> lol
04:08:28 <lord_fomo[m]> the rabbit hole: https://github.com/stellar/stellar-core/tree/master/src/scp
04:09:21 <UkoeHB> chapter 10 will be on stellar consensus protocol, because MobileCoin uses their own implementation of it https://github.com/UkoeHB/Mechanics-of-MobileCoin
04:10:04 <lord_fomo[m]> do you work on monero core?
04:10:44 <UkoeHB> For stellar implementation this one may be easiest to study https://github.com/bobg/scp
04:10:56 <UkoeHB> no I just like monero :)
04:11:27 <lord_fomo[m]> just when i think i'm reducing web tabs 😂
04:12:20 <UkoeHB> haha well idk if it’s worth going down the rabbit hole, I just thought the difference between solana and stellar is interesting
04:14:16 <lord_fomo[m]> it's always worth it
04:14:17 <lord_fomo[m]> cmon
04:14:44 <lord_fomo[m]> those shrooms fueled trail runs ain't gonna do themselves
04:18:46 <lord_fomo[m]> UkoeHB: tried to dm you, not sure it works over the bridge
04:18:49 <lord_fomo[m]> no presh
04:21:26 <UkoeHB> did not get it; my account is on +R due to spam so may not be getting pms..
04:23:52 <UkoeHB> ok turned it off if u want to try again
04:25:21 <lord_fomo[m]> it's weird it's already showing me in a room
04:25:25 <lord_fomo[m]> i think the bridge might not handle it well
04:25:34 <lord_fomo[m]> i should just get ma old irc hooked up through this
04:26:50 <UkoeHB> I got your msg
04:29:41 <lord_fomo[m]> nice
06:33:19 <ldroacem> Do you think that you are too intelligent to be in a cult? Then I would encourage you to look into how any other cult works. They aren't populated by stupid people. Aum Shinrikyo was almost exclusively university professors and graduates. For Pete's sake - they had the know-how and means to make WMDs.
06:33:19 <ldroacem> As to Monero, I would encourage you to look at Jonestown mass-suicide. You know why Jones killed them all? Because he was afraid he is loosing control over them. People like that will burn everything around them rather than give up control. Being smart doesn't make you immune to being in a cult. This is the most valuable lesson Monero taught me.
06:54:55 <fluffypony> apotheon: sadly I lost all my watches in a terrible boating accident
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12:41:17 <lord_fomo[m]> > Being smart doesn't make you immune to being in a cult. This is the most valuable lesson Monero taught me.
12:41:18 <lord_fomo[m]> lets get culty
13:51:09 <cryptopsy> whats the maintained monero ebuild in gentoo?
13:52:08 <cryptopsy> how do i install monero from portage (the package manger?)
13:52:27 <selsta> cryptopsy: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:GURU
13:53:46 <sech1> gentoo? Don't you guys build everything from source?
13:58:32 <lord_fomo[m]> they pretend to
13:58:40 <lord_fomo[m]> but really it's the pain of burning time they all like
13:58:42 <ieatglueinthegul> But we do
13:58:51 <lord_fomo[m]> you kinda do
13:59:00 <lord_fomo[m]> emerge or wtv right?
13:59:15 <lord_fomo[m]> "building from source" to me is a `git clone` -> do the manual steps
13:59:58 <lord_fomo[m]> it's like an automated bdsm pkg mngr
14:00:20 <lord_fomo[m]> which like i get
14:00:27 <lord_fomo[m]> gotta get that fix somehow
14:01:43 <lord_fomo[m]> you can literally do all the same shit as every other distro
14:01:44 <lord_fomo[m]> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Portage#emerge
14:01:49 <lord_fomo[m]> except you don't get shipped binaries
14:06:24 <ieatglueinthegul> It's just autism
14:07:05 <lord_fomo[m]> i gotta say it's super endearing
14:07:07 <lord_fomo[m]> lel
14:07:21 <lord_fomo[m]> only peeps i like getting grumped at by more are emacs-ers
14:08:11 <binaryFate> emacs is life
14:24:34 <xtaffexle> If only one of you gave Papa ChooChoo some TLC when I wrote a faster miner, instead of ignoring him, things could have happened differently https://np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/5lsfgt/_/dbz0jnp/
14:37:44 <vekin> lord_fomo[m]: gentoo is more about freedom of choice vs actually making things from source, which is just a by-product that makes things easier
14:38:11 <vekin> people get the wrong idea because they think Gentoo is supposed to be minimalistic
14:38:12 <lord_fomo[m]> But why not arch
14:38:41 <vekin> well, if i need to use an older version of boost for compatibility with an old binary
14:38:46 <vekin> i can do that on gentoo
14:38:50 <lord_fomo[m]> Where you get the hipster dufus label for free
14:39:03 <vekin> it just makes really niche stuff easier
14:39:09 <lord_fomo[m]> <vekin "i can do that on gentoo"> You can do that anywhere though
14:39:21 <vekin> "easier" being the key point
14:39:43 <lord_fomo[m]> That's not a tina distro
14:39:49 <lord_fomo[m]> Fair
14:40:23 <lord_fomo[m]> I guess these days people just lob that stuff into containers
14:40:33 <vekin> yeah its getting to that point
14:40:40 <vekin> probably cleaner to do it that way
14:40:53 <vekin> security nightmare though
14:41:00 <lord_fomo[m]> So then the Gentoo sell points are kinda, dated
14:41:14 <lord_fomo[m]> It's just a time burn
14:41:22 <vekin> i mean, being able to grab andy rando .patch and apply it to packages just by dropping it into a directory is nice
14:41:30 <lord_fomo[m]> <vekin "security nightmare though"> Everything is
14:41:35 <lord_fomo[m]> Always
14:41:41 <vekin> emoji support in libxft.... font-width hacks in urxvt
14:41:54 <lord_fomo[m]> Heh
14:42:00 <lord_fomo[m]> Fair
14:42:06 <vekin> you can do that on Arch but its with AUR packages from god knows where
14:42:11 <vekin> that may break at any time
14:42:12 <lord_fomo[m]> I'm using alacritty now
14:42:17 <lord_fomo[m]> It's aight
14:42:25 <vekin> what's alacritty?
14:42:41 <lord_fomo[m]> <vekin "you can do that on Arch but its "> Yeah gotta dig into pkgbuild
14:42:57 <lord_fomo[m]> <vekin "what's alacritty?"> Term emu
14:42:59 <vekin> ah rust/opengl tty
14:43:00 <lord_fomo[m]> In rust
14:43:18 <lord_fomo[m]> It works
14:43:25 <lord_fomo[m]> And has a nice pager
14:43:33 <vekin> gonna check it out
14:45:15 <lord_fomo[m]> I'm hooked
14:45:21 <lord_fomo[m]> Upgraded from termite
15:12:43 <moneromooo> sech1: is xmrig supposed to send keepalives when --keepalive is set, or when --keepalive is set and the pool sends a "keepalive" string in an "extensions" array ?
15:13:13 <moneromooo> I've been looking at pool and xmrig since a few days ago, and it seems to do the latter, but jtgrassie implies it used to do the former.
15:13:27 <moneromooo> So is this a bug that it started requiring the pool string ?
15:13:55 <sech1> it sends pings to the pool
15:13:56 <moneromooo> (I think you're the right person to ask since you're listed as an author, let me know if that's not right)
15:14:19 <sech1> https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig/blob/master/src/base/net/stratum/Client.cpp#L831
15:16:04 <moneromooo> It does indeed. My question is, s xmrig supposed to send keepalives when --keepalive is set, or when --keepalive is set and the pool sends a "keepalive" string in an "extensions" array ?
15:16:54 <moneromooo> It did not send them when I set --keepalive and using jtgrassie's pool, and I debugged it to that extensins array. Patching the pool to add that string fixed it.
15:17:41 <moneromooo> Now, that extensions array was introduced by a commit dealing with nicehash, so possibly it's a bug it started requiring it for other pools ?
15:21:24 <sech1> I never touched that part of code, but it looks like it only sends keepalives if the pool has this extension
15:22:44 <moneromooo> So you don't know if it's intended ? jtgrassie implies it used to not be that way in https://github.com/jtgrassie/monero-pool/pull/74
15:24:58 <sech1> I think both the pool needs to support it and it must be in xmrig's command line
15:25:18 <moneromooo> That's the current code, yes.
15:26:09 <sech1> I never ever had to use --keepalive
15:26:10 <apotheon> fluffypony: Maybe losing all your watches was a good thing.  If you had too many, it seems like you may have already been drowning in them.
15:26:16 <sech1> not sure where it's even required
15:26:59 <moneromooo> It's required if the pool is aggressive cutting off silent miners. jtgrassie's pool defaults to 150 seconds, that's how I saw this.
15:38:54 <sech1> moneromooo it was a part of refactoring between xmrig 2.14 and 2.15 in May 2019, this is when "keepalive" extension check was added
15:39:30 <sech1> before that keepalive was assumed available for all pools except nicehash and minergate :D
15:40:02 <moneromooo> So... bug ?
15:42:30 <sech1> feature
15:42:41 <moneromooo> OK. Thanks for looking.
15:54:51 <jtgrassie> I guess it's a moot point but I'd be interested in why it became a requirement for the pool to report support.
15:57:53 <swrangsar> is monero the only crypto currency that is both privacy focused and asic resistant?
15:57:53 <moneromooo> Also, is the set of extensions documented somewhere ? I've seen a few in the source, and algo/connect look like they might be interesting to know about.
15:58:21 <sech1> It's not properly documented anywhere, stratum for Monero is ad-hoc standard
15:58:24 <moneromooo> Depends how you define "only" :) There are small forks at least.
15:58:54 <moneromooo> So these extensions are somehting xmrig made up basically ?
16:02:30 <sech1> I think MoneroOcean made them up :D
16:03:47 <moneromooo> Hrm. Another source to read :S
16:03:58 <sech1> it had "algo" extension in the beginning to tell xmrig which algorithm to mine
16:04:36 <moneromooo> Ah, it's the one that switches, right. Makes sense.
16:07:09 <jtgrassie> looks like neither MO or nodejs-pool send the keepalive "extension"
16:11:54 <swrangsar> does xmrfast.com have a long pplns window duration like more than a day?
16:12:13 <moneromooo> Try asking in #monero-pools
16:21:14 <jonah_xd[m]> That moment when discord flagges me for suspicious activities
16:22:26 <lord_fomo[m]> been banned 2x
16:22:27 <lord_fomo[m]> already
16:22:34 <lord_fomo[m]> fuck those charlys
17:42:40 <SomeHacker> if Discord flags you, you create a new account. Do not give them your phone number.
17:43:41 <SomeHacker> the best choice is to stop using Discord anyway
17:44:16 <lord_fomo[m]> up
17:44:21 <lord_fomo[m]>  * yup
17:53:59 <apotheon> SomeHacker: I don't disagree with that.
17:55:02 <lord_fomo[m]> they're  just an evil coorp
17:55:09 <lord_fomo[m]> sold out to wallstreet
17:55:16 <lord_fomo[m]> and mine their users
17:55:21 <lord_fomo[m]> perfect for tinas
17:55:43 <fluffypony> apotheon: too true
17:55:44 <apotheon> What do you mean by "tinas"?
17:56:08 <apotheon> fluffypony: Yeah, it's something to "watch out" for.
17:56:09 <lord_fomo[m]> thatcher speak
17:56:15 <fluffypony> touche
17:56:15 <fluffypony> lol
17:56:17 <lord_fomo[m]> closed minded naive types
17:56:23 <lord_fomo[m]> "normies"
17:56:26 <lord_fomo[m]> "npcs"
17:56:30 <apotheon> lord_fomo[m]: not familiar with "thatcher speak", I guess
17:56:36 <apotheon> Is this related to Margaret?
17:56:39 <lord_fomo[m]> "unfettered liberalists"
17:56:44 <apotheon> . . . or people who thatch?
17:56:46 <lord_fomo[m]> she started it yah
17:56:49 <lord_fomo[m]> it's trader slang
17:56:56 <lord_fomo[m]> tinas buy when stocks are up
17:56:56 <apotheon> I see.
17:57:21 <lord_fomo[m]> sell when they're down
17:57:27 <lord_fomo[m]> and run OS's like windows and OS X
17:57:32 <apotheon> "Bitcoin was going up, so I bought some, but I got ripped off!  It dropped right afterward!  I had to sell it all!"
17:57:36 <lord_fomo[m]> have never used ssh
17:58:04 <lord_fomo[m]> everyone's a tina is some way tho
17:58:09 <lord_fomo[m]> i'm a cryptography tina
17:58:12 <apotheon> Even Windows has SSH built in now.
17:58:41 <lord_fomo[m]> ok, then tor
17:58:58 <SomeHacker> idk why do they use Discord when there is IRC
17:59:19 <SomeHacker> they say features, but feature creep is not good
17:59:30 <lord_fomo[m]> discord is trash
17:59:33 <lord_fomo[m]> there's zero reason
17:59:37 <apotheon> I think most Windows and MacOS users don't use SSH, though, even when it's included.
17:59:38 <lord_fomo[m]> it's pure web trash
17:59:54 <apotheon> SomeHacker: People aren't aware that feature creep isn't good.
18:00:11 <apotheon> Many people still think "more features" is "better", just like "more lines of code" is "more productivity".
18:00:41 <SomeHacker> but isn't it obvious? Sometimes my browser abuses my CPU to 100% because of features
18:00:53 <apotheon> lord_fomo[m]: If you want to use a closed source, privacy-hostile chat system, Discord has one advantage: it's a little less user-hostile than Slack, in my experience.
18:01:00 <lord_fomo[m]> tina is a nice term too because it's non-offensive
18:01:00 <SomeHacker> so I try to use web less
18:01:15 <lord_fomo[m]> slack is worse trash
18:01:25 <apotheon> What's the etymology of "tina"?
18:01:26 <lord_fomo[m]> if you have to use slack checkout ripcord
18:01:26 <SomeHacker> fortunately never happened to use Slack
18:01:29 <lord_fomo[m]> for a native client
18:01:32 <lord_fomo[m]> makes it tolerable
18:01:57 <apotheon> I had to deal with Slack at a previous employer.
18:02:26 <lord_fomo[m]> i have to for "data scientists"
18:03:25 <lord_fomo[m]> matrix will take i think in the future
18:03:28 <lord_fomo[m]> it's a good design
18:03:34 <SomeHacker> Everything is bad
18:03:35 <SomeHacker> IRC is good
18:03:37 <lord_fomo[m]> anti-fragile
18:03:41 <lord_fomo[m]> matrix is good
18:03:42 <SomeHacker> No need to replace
18:03:54 <lord_fomo[m]> it adds a lot vs. irc that was needed imo
18:03:56 <lord_fomo[m]> and who cares
18:03:57 <lord_fomo[m]> they bridge
18:04:29 <lord_fomo[m]> i'm surprised more monero peeps aren't pro matrix honestly
18:04:35 <lord_fomo[m]> their e2ee system is pretty top notch
18:04:53 <lord_fomo[m]> and they've got p2p coming on the protocol soon
18:06:30 <SomeHacker> also, while I'm pro-IRC, I don't like freenode at all. It is an evil attempt to centralize IRC
18:06:32 <lord_fomo[m]> https://matrix.org/blog/2020/06/02/introducing-p-2-p-matrix
18:06:36 <lord_fomo[m]> still in early stages iirc
18:07:00 <SomeHacker> > Firefox in not-private-browsing mode
18:07:01 <SomeHacker> wtf
18:09:11 <SomeHacker> I don't like running anything in my browser, I see that both Firefox and Chrome are proprietary shit (I know, but Firefox has DRM and Mozilla things, like their spying VPN gateway).
18:10:59 <SomeHacker> even attempts to fix Firefox like IceCat and Tor Browser still have feature creep. HTML5 is overfeatured and JS just shouldn't exist
18:11:12 <SomeHacker> a browser is not a virtual machine to run programs in it
18:11:24 <SomeHacker> it is a tool to read pages
18:11:29 <lord_fomo[m]> lol
18:11:32 <lord_fomo[m]> don't get me started
18:11:43 <lord_fomo[m]> but clearly we should be friends
18:11:53 <lord_fomo[m]> imo the web is all pure trash
18:11:59 <lord_fomo[m]> like, pretty much all of it
18:12:00 <apotheon> At the point where Firefox stopped supporting modularity for the rendering engine, its downhill run on quality accelerated rapidly.
18:12:40 <apotheon> . . . then it swapped out rendering engines so it could be more restrictively crappy, copying Chrome.
18:12:49 <SomeHacker> Now they are pushing IRCv3 trash to freenode
18:13:13 <lord_fomo[m]> is plain chromium actually better privacy wise then ff?
18:13:15 <SomeHacker> there are *enough* features in IRC. Just stop and use it
18:13:20 <lord_fomo[m]> that's what i been reading
18:13:43 <apotheon> lord_fomo[m]: only if further stripped of privacy-violating crap in a third-party build
18:13:54 <apotheon> otherwise, it's about the same, probably
18:13:55 <SomeHacker> Choosing less evil spyware? Google is more evil I think.
18:14:00 <apotheon> (which is to say: mediocre)
18:14:29 <lord_fomo[m]> kk
18:14:40 <lord_fomo[m]> i do need to get off ff proper
18:15:27 <SomeHacker> they are both evil. There are attempts to fix it, but W3C has been killed by evil capitalism, and the web is dead. Try Lynx maybe
18:15:43 <lord_fomo[m]> hmm
18:17:49 <SomeHacker> but tbh I think the issues started when the Internet became widespread. Too many people who don't want to learn, and use things because they are "convenient".
18:18:02 <lord_fomo[m]> yeah it's interesting
18:18:10 <lord_fomo[m]> the selling of freedom for convenience
18:18:11 <lord_fomo[m]> odd tradeoff
18:19:20 <apotheon> For general web use, I figure it's best to just pick a WebKit browser that doesn't offend you too much, these days.  In some cases, something like w3m works fine, though, if you want a TUI browser.
18:19:36 <lord_fomo[m]> lol no thanks
18:19:49 <lord_fomo[m]> eventually i'll get to the point where i'll only use it for simple pages
18:20:00 <lord_fomo[m]> but aways from that yet
18:20:36 <apotheon> I have Firefox for the instances where I need it, but I try to avoid that.
18:20:49 <lord_fomo[m]> lynx ow?
18:21:43 <apotheon> "ow"
18:21:45 <apotheon> What?
18:24:30 <apotheon> I prefer w3m over lynx.
18:24:32 <apotheon> anyway
18:24:34 <apotheon> . . . gotta run
18:24:35 <apotheon> ta
18:24:55 <lord_fomo[m]> other wise
18:26:38 <SomeHacker> I recommend using Gemini over HTTP, to avoid W3C issues
18:26:45 <SomeHacker> W3C can't be trusted anymore
18:31:54 <lord_fomo[m]> yah need to dig into that as well
18:33:39 <ndorf> oh hey apotheon, did you ever get monero built?
18:33:41 <jonah_xd[m]> <SomeHacker "the best choice is to stop using"> I wish, but the trolling must continue
18:34:12 <ndorf> i completely forgot about this, but if you hit the boost storage_type error you just need to remove the -march=native flag. `cmake -DARCH=default .` in the build directory, then `gmake` again
18:42:27 <ndorf> note: in the build/.../release directory, not in the source dir!
18:49:46 <lord_fomo[m]> btw what y'all think of rust these days
18:49:54 <lord_fomo[m]> given i presume most are in c++
18:50:01 <lord_fomo[m]> round these parts
19:19:58 <rupee[m]> Has anyone looked into whether monero could be added to trustwallet?
19:19:58 <rupee[m]> https://developer.trustwallet.com/wallet-core/newblockchain
19:26:51 <apotheon> ndorf: I was going to do it yesterday, but other stuff got in the way.  Today's pretty busy, so probably this weekend.
19:27:41 <apotheon> lord_fomo[m]: I'd probably learn Rust over going back to C++ at this point.
19:27:44 <apotheon> I do write C, though.
19:30:26 <lord_fomo[m]> you ever look at zig?
19:32:19 <moneromooo> What you say...
19:37:45 <dEBRUYNE> rupee[m]: They actually worked on integrating, but then closed the PR due to insufficient dev power
19:38:27 <dEBRUYNE> https://github.com/trustwallet/wallet-core/issues/21#issuecomment-536225136
19:39:28 <rupee[m]> thanks dEBRUYNE . That's too bad. I'd happily contribute to a CCS to get it done if we could find a developer that would work on it
19:42:04 <apotheon> moneromooo: nice
19:43:07 * moneromooo loves puns and obscure references
20:01:17 <apotheon> moneromooo: I like semi-obscure references made obscure by the reference.
20:01:52 <apotheon> I wonder whether Zig (the programming language) was named after that.
20:16:23 <lord_fomo[m]> i don't know this
20:43:02 <gidtzjnnvose> I can tell you why you can't stop the 'spam'. You are thinking in cult doctrine. If it was real spam, and I was selling Viagra for example - you could easily ban keywords and urls. Instead, stop being a sheep, think like a cult leader. Recoginse that this 'spam' is just some bullshit that you tell to the sheep.
20:43:02 <gidtzjnnvose> When you do that, solution will present itself. Observe. 'spam' -> 'FUK talks bad things about Monero on our IRC' (Don't say that out loud obviously, that will get you excommunicated) Solution? Get off-the-shelf sentiment analyser, detect anyone who 'talks bad things about Monero' and ban them.
20:54:57 <lord_fomo[m]> i gotta say
20:55:02 <lord_fomo[m]> this room has some strange commentary
20:55:19 <lord_fomo[m]> needs more chill
20:57:19 <Elementoshi[m]> since when has anyone been banned for "talking bad things about monero"?
20:58:19 <Elementoshi[m]> See I can say a bad thing about monero: it needs better tor/i2p integration (which is hopefully being worked on)
20:58:37 <moneromooo>  /kb Elementoshi[m]
20:58:40 <Elementoshi[m]> i don't think i'm going to get banned for saying that
20:58:59 <moneromooo> Just wait till I work out how to use that command...
20:59:22 <Elementoshi[m]> here's some more bad things it's used to buy drugs, its value is volatile, and it's not a 100% bulletproof solution
20:59:42 <Elementoshi[m]> here's a really bad thing: some jerk is ruining the community with spam
20:59:52 <moneromooo> It's a common thing jerks say to save face. They're obviously not kicked for being massive asswipes, but because we refuse to see their obvious truth.
21:00:00 <moneromooo> So... *shrug*
21:00:10 <Elementoshi[m]> lol
21:00:43 <Elementoshi[m]> can you remind me what kind of asswipery they were doing?
21:01:05 <moneromooo> No. I like my life free of this ^_^
21:01:29 <Elementoshi[m]> lol
21:14:02 <vikrantsCake[m]> I hope everyone gets on the Monero clubhouse tomorrow
21:21:50 <apotheon> Why?
21:22:03 <apotheon> How does one even "get on" a clubhouse?
21:23:33 <apotheon> 20:58 < Elementoshi[m]> See I can say a bad thing about monero: it needs better tor/i2p integration (which is hopefully being worked on)
21:23:39 <apotheon> I think Tor needs better I2P integration.
21:24:03 <apotheon> 20:59 < Elementoshi[m]> here's a really bad thing: some jerk is ruining the community with spam
21:24:12 <apotheon> I disagree.  The jerk is barely noticeable, really.