00:55:41 <lord_fomo[m]> > You are thinking in cult doctrine.
00:55:41 <lord_fomo[m]> bruh, just because I have a personal relationship with my lord and savior, monero, it's no reason to be using the c word.
00:56:09 <louipc> calculus
01:49:38 <DisBotXMR4> <TrooperZ> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/822648037352276008/Screenshot_20210319-204816_Chrome.jpg
01:49:47 <DisBotXMR4> <TrooperZ> I wanna buy this but i lost all my monero in a boating accident
03:05:20 <slbawfalm> What kind of person steals from own community? shorturl.at/jmDM4 Your own leaders are laughing at how stupid you are falling for thier 'Magical Crypto Friendship'.
03:36:40 <a1010[m]> <slbawfalm "What kind of person steals from "> Doesn't bother me one single bit, dick move? Well yes, but actually no
03:38:31 <nioc> just a spam bot
03:44:23 <Bill48105> more like persistent pest
03:57:36 <nioc> just a meme
07:28:33 <angrymonkeyboi[m> Can the monero wallet-cli talk to a monero node over i2p?
08:43:14 <selsta> angrymonkeyboi[m: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/docs/ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md#wallet-rpc
09:59:05 <smartsaint[m]> Please would you help me
09:59:32 <smartsaint[m]> I am running Tails GUI and the daemon will not connect
10:33:06 <anxstgnnb> Why does the Saviour of NASA take a group achievement award and present it as a proof of individual glory? https://twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683
10:42:50 <LVanon> Hi Monero! I am a newcomer who have decided to make XMR the first crypto I will mine myself ever. I have access to about 10 desktop computers in my home so I will pay for electricity, but the plan is to use them 24/7 to mine. Can anyone point me in the right direction how to make this create some kind of income?
10:43:48 <LVanon> Right now I have set up xmrig using their configuration creator
10:44:21 <LVanon> xmrig --donate-level 5 -o pool.xmr.pt:9000 -u <address> -k --tls --coin monero -p <name>
10:46:17 <Mochi101> LVanon, how come you set the donate level so high?
10:46:22 <Mochi101> Just set it to 1
10:47:00 <LVanon> It was pre-set. I don't mind donating a high amount if it means I get better results/reputation (since my mining rig will run 24/7/365). Do you suggest I lower it?
10:47:10 <LVanon> Ok, I will then CTRL + C, then rerun command but change to 1 ?
10:47:15 <Mochi101> yeah, lower it to 1
10:47:17 <Mochi101> it's fine
10:47:58 <LVanon> Can I upload a picture and show you how it looks right now?
10:48:06 <Mochi101> sure
10:48:24 <Mochi101> LVanon, you can join #monero-pools too
10:48:30 <Mochi101> It's more for this kind of talk.
10:49:08 <Mochi101> That way we don't spam all the wonderful people here with mining talk.
10:50:19 <LVanon> Ok, then I will go over there and post picture there
11:58:25 <smartsaint[m]> Cool thanks I will do that and spread my virus of knowing nothing about XMR muhahaha
12:08:21 <gingeropolous> heya your here smartsaint[m]
12:09:02 <gingeropolous> are you trying to run monerod to sync your own blockchain, or are you just trying to use a remote node
12:10:11 <gingeropolous> smartsaint[m], ping pingaring ping pingaring ping ping palooooo
12:11:09 <smartsaint[m]> helllo
12:11:24 <gingeropolous> so what are you trying to do
12:11:39 <smartsaint[m]> <gingeropolous "are you trying to run monerod to"> I am just using a remote node to do basic transactions
12:11:50 <smartsaint[m]> To get my feet wet
12:12:03 <gingeropolous> ah. well, when using a remote node, you sometimes need to just wait
12:12:03 <smartsaint[m]> How do I help you help me?
12:12:15 <gingeropolous> i've found that with the GUI, if I hit connect, it'll look like its doing nothing
12:12:29 <smartsaint[m]> OK ty
12:12:30 <gingeropolous> i get frustrated, start browsing the interwebs, and come back to it and its ocnnected
12:13:02 <gingeropolous> you might also have to just exit the monero GUI, and restart it. I've found that helps sometimes.
12:13:04 <smartsaint[m]> it does say "wallet is synchronized" and "Daemon is Synchronized"
12:13:11 <gingeropolous> oh, thne you are connected
12:13:23 <smartsaint[m]> I did something that may have broken it
12:13:37 <gingeropolous> nope, if the gui says that on the bottom left you should be good to go
12:14:04 <smartsaint[m]> I read that I must always update. So, I updated but I deleted my old file
12:14:47 <smartsaint[m]> I tried sending a small amount to manjaro on android and it said "failed" with the same error
12:15:02 <gingeropolous> what old file?
12:15:07 <gingeropolous> did you restore the wallet from seed?
12:15:15 <smartsaint[m]> no
12:15:22 <smartsaint[m]> I just opened it
12:15:32 <smartsaint[m]> it synched
12:15:40 <smartsaint[m]> and I thought all was well
12:15:58 <smartsaint[m]> Should I exit wallet and restore from seed?
12:16:07 <smartsaint[m]> Yes, I am clueless
12:16:13 <gingeropolous> "on android and it said "failed" with the same error" -- what error?
12:17:07 <smartsaint[m]> "daemon returned wrong response for gettransaction, wrong txs count = 0, expected 1"
12:17:47 <gingeropolous> hrm. dunno that one
12:18:21 <smartsaint[m]> thanks for being honest
12:18:32 <gingeropolous> does it keep happening when you try reconnecting?
12:19:07 <gingeropolous> i mean, yeah, short answer is to restore from seed. give the wallet a new name etc and restore from seed, that'll rule out the possibility that you deleted something critical
12:19:11 <smartsaint[m]> when I ./monerod I get the warning: no two valid DNS TXT records were received
12:19:26 <gingeropolous> well if your using a remote node you don't need to run ./monerod
12:19:34 <gingeropolous> but if you want to run your own daemon, you can do that from the GUI
12:19:43 <gingeropolous> and that DNA warning is not critical
12:19:48 <gingeropolous> DNS
12:19:55 <smartsaint[m]> I had no idea
12:20:22 <smartsaint[m]> I am going to uninstall everything and restore from seed
12:20:40 <smartsaint[m]> this seems like the best course of action yeah?
12:20:56 <gingeropolous> i mean, you could run your own node to rule out that possibility
12:21:18 <gingeropolous> well, restoring from seed could take hours as well because you'll have to re-sync your wallet
12:21:34 <smartsaint[m]> so monerod is not a factor when running Monero GUI with remote node?
12:21:35 <gingeropolous> i would try connecting to different remote nodes, like node.xmr.to
12:21:57 <gingeropolous> correct. at least in advanced mode.
12:22:01 <smartsaint[m]> ok. do you know the port on that?
12:22:08 <gingeropolous> i think its 18081
12:23:19 <smartsaint[m]> Thank you
12:23:44 <smartsaint[m]> I am currently using node.dreamworld.com:18089
12:24:25 <smartsaint[m]> Thought it was about as solid a node as you could get
12:24:35 <smartsaint[m]> but, changing now
12:24:49 <smartsaint[m]> Thanks for the input. Much appreciated.
12:25:55 <smartsaint[m]> I have no idea how to run my own node. Can u give me an ELI5 what that means? Do I need to download the 100Gig blockchain or whatever it is  called?
12:26:11 <smartsaint[m]> Perhaps a site? Save you the pain.
12:26:28 <gingeropolous> did it work?
12:26:30 <gingeropolous> dreamworld.com smartsaint[m] ?
12:26:32 <gingeropolous> smartsaint[m], yes you need to download the blockchain. it can be pruned to 30 gigs
12:27:08 <smartsaint[m]> I need to give my dog water. Will change in 30 seconds
12:31:26 <smartsaint[m]> ok changing
12:31:33 <smartsaint[m]> waiting to sync
12:35:38 <smartsaint[m]> same problem
12:35:40 <smartsaint[m]> balls
12:36:03 <gingeropolous> yeah restore from seed into a new wallet file
12:36:07 <smartsaint[m]> I am going nuclear. Complete uninstall and restore from seed
12:36:23 <smartsaint[m]> yeah, cheers
12:36:35 <smartsaint[m]> I'm gonna use windows this time
12:37:00 <smartsaint[m]> safer for the plebs
12:37:02 <smartsaint[m]> haha
12:37:22 <gingeropolous> i wouldn;t, but to each their own
12:37:35 <smartsaint[m]> okay
12:38:07 <smartsaint[m]> You think it runs better and is easier for someone who created their first wallet 2 days ago?
12:38:59 <gingeropolous> what runs better?
12:41:00 <smartsaint[m]> less problems
12:41:40 <gingeropolous> i mean, the least problematic way to go, in my opinion, is using ubuntu and the CLI tools
12:42:06 <gingeropolous> you'll have to get used to linux, but if you're serious about getting into monero, there's no comparison.
12:42:13 <smartsaint[m]> ty. that is what I will do then
12:42:28 <smartsaint[m]> I started on Debian by chance
12:42:33 <gingeropolous> if your efforts are just a one and done kinda thing, then yeah, try to get the gui running on something
12:42:37 <gingeropolous> yeah debian will do fine
12:42:47 <smartsaint[m]> cool
12:43:11 <smartsaint[m]> are you allowed to just sit and idle on these channels?
12:43:15 <gingeropolous> once you get the OS up and up to date , you can download and run monero in the terminal
12:43:17 <gingeropolous> smartsaint[m], yep!
12:43:56 <smartsaint[m]> someone said something about my poor review for realising i was posting in a mining channel
12:44:02 <smartsaint[m]> damn
12:44:11 <gingeropolous> there should be some tutorials for the CLI on getmonero.org, but honestly just run ./monerod in a terminal and wait for it to sync
12:44:55 <gingeropolous> also running ./monerod --help will get you all the command line options, and once the program is running, you can type help and you can see commands that the program can accept while its running
12:45:08 <smartsaint[m]> thanks
12:45:13 <smartsaint[m]> yeah i saw that
12:45:16 <gingeropolous> word
12:45:26 <smartsaint[m]> i did not know which ones to try
12:45:59 <smartsaint[m]> anyway must focus on getting this working tonight ty again
12:46:21 <gingeropolous> right on. good luck.
12:46:34 <smartsaint[m]> cheers
14:02:33 <nicopok> Hello
14:06:58 <nicopok> https://xmr.poker is a new place for playing poker anonymously with moneros. It is possible to play with the web browser or with the open source app. Rake is only 1%. It is also possible to rent private servers without rake and to get a private url to play (all poker clubs can now have their private platform to play with crypto).
14:27:38 <childofthecorn[m> Poke her? I hardly know her!
14:52:47 <nicopok> If you have any question about xmr.poker, feel free to ask ;-)
15:01:18 <apotheon> 14:27 < childofthecorn[m> Poke her? I hardly know her!
15:01:30 <apotheon> I haven't heard that joke in something like 25 years.
15:03:02 <nicopok> which joke ?
15:03:16 <apotheon> "poker" "poke her"
15:03:20 <apotheon> I just quoted the joke.
15:03:29 <apotheon> "Poke her?  I hardly know her!"
15:03:42 <apotheon> as stated by childofthecorn[m
15:04:11 <nicopok> I was disconnected and I didn't get the messages
15:04:19 <childofthecorn[m> <apotheon "I haven't heard that joke in som"> Im bringing it back, one Dad joke at a time ;)
15:04:32 <apotheon> I also heard that joke made with "sticker".
15:07:42 <nicopok> the game is not a joke I can send xmr to admin to try it
15:09:12 <nicopok> and if you have anything to say to improve it I will be happy to discuss about it with you
15:09:41 <apotheon> I'm not interested in online poker.
15:09:59 <louipc> cool nicopok
15:10:38 <boa> I'm pruning the monero db atm. It's been running for almost three hours, it's still running. The computer is otherwise idling and has an SSD and 16GB mem. How long does pruning a 100GB db normally take?
15:11:06 <moneromooo> Huge gobs of time. It's probably faster to resync from scratch.
15:11:16 <ferox_thinkpad> what use is monero poker
15:11:27 <ferox_thinkpad> you still have to cash out eventually
15:12:02 <apotheon> unless you just buy things with Monero
15:12:14 <boa> Last time I resynced I ended up with 100GB. Trying to get rid of 70 of them
15:12:45 <ferox_thinkpad> boa have you heard the band boa?
15:12:54 <boa> Nope :)
15:13:05 <ferox_thinkpad> they are good
15:13:15 <boa> European?
15:13:28 <moneromooo> Or African ?
15:13:29 <ferox_thinkpad> english i think
15:13:39 <boa> (boa means good, btw :) )
15:13:42 <Mochi101> nicopok, looks good
15:14:04 <ferox_thinkpad> ohhh
15:14:07 <ferox_thinkpad> Bôa (stylized bôa) is an English alternative/indie band formed in London in 1993
15:14:22 <nicopok> it can be useful for poker clubs that want to have their own private place to play without using dummy tokens
15:15:11 <boa> Cool. Will check out the band when the pruning is done. Browsers eat too much memory and the computer is actually using swap atm.
15:15:30 <ferox_thinkpad> is swap like ram?
15:15:49 <boa> more like disk really
15:16:20 <ferox_thinkpad> i set up swap when i configured arch, dont know what it does tho :o
15:16:30 <Elementoshi[m]> Swap is space on the disk that is used as a fallback when the RAM is full
15:16:44 <boa> what he said :)
15:17:02 <moneromooo> Honestly, I'd resync.
15:17:03 <ferox_thinkpad> ah
15:17:11 <moneromooo> With --prune-blockchain.
15:17:12 <Elementoshi[m]> So it's sort of part of the memory. When your RAM memory becomes full, the system starts storing some memory in swap
15:17:53 <Elementoshi[m]> But swap is on the hard drive, so it's slower than RAM.
15:18:21 <Elementoshi[m]> It keeps your computer from crashing by running out of memory, though!
15:18:35 <ferox_thinkpad> very interesting
15:18:36 <boa> moneromooo, I get your point, but it's the first time I try this and I want to see what happens. It's a learning experience to me.
15:18:47 <ferox_thinkpad> what if you have an SSD, is it as fast as RAM?
15:18:58 <moneromooo> Ah, ok. Let us know how much time it took when it's done hten, I'm curious :)
15:19:04 <moneromooo> And I have a feeling it's gonna use 100 GB RAM :D
15:19:13 <boa> Will do, unless everything crashes.
15:19:17 <hyc> SSDs are faster than HDDs but still not as fast as RAM
15:19:20 <Elementoshi[m]> Not quite. But it's faster than an HDD. At least, I don't think it's as fast as RAM. Unless there are old RAM chips which are slow?
15:20:41 <Elementoshi[m]> Btw I'm trying to help spinus with a Monero issue. They say the Monero GUI is showing no balance even though they're certain they've got the right seed passphrase, they've got the latest version of Monero GUI, they can confirm access to addresses they've sent to and transactions they've made
15:21:11 <moneromooo> Check refresh-from-block-height, make sure it's <= the height at which the first tx is supposed to be.
15:21:41 <charolastra> ferox_thinkpad: my RAM does 30gb/s while the onboard SSD just does 5gb/s
15:22:54 <boa> 5gb/s is insane though. That's a lot of data
15:23:26 <charolastra> it's all relative. in 10 years we'll laught about that
15:24:17 <boa> Adn 20 years ago, noone would've believed you
15:24:21 <boa> *and
15:24:39 <charolastra> true
15:28:14 <boa> 4K video at 60Hz still needs more, about twice as much. May be wrong here, so many digits...
15:28:49 <Elementoshi[m]> I won't laugh about that because in 10 years I still won't be able to afford a new 10TB quantum laptop
15:31:14 <moneromooo> It'll be OK though. The quantum laptop will be both there and not there. You'll just have the not there part. Close enough.
15:31:37 <Elementoshi[m]> Lol
15:33:27 <boa> @ferox_thinkpad, boa seems to be a K-pop lady too?
15:36:35 <apotheon> The problem with a quantum laptop is that you can't know where you left your laptop and how fast it is at the same time.
15:36:49 <boa> :)
15:40:36 <Elementoshi[m]> Plus the charging cord always gets entangled
15:42:23 <apotheon> Elementoshi[m]: Weirdly, when it's entangled, you don't have to plug in the laptop.  It gets the same power as the cord, no matter how far away.
15:42:26 * moneromooo nods appreviatively
15:42:38 <apotheon> spooky power at a distance
15:44:12 <Elementoshi[m]> But if you check the battery level, the charging cord untangles itself
15:45:02 <apotheon> TIL the story of Euridice is an allegory for quantum entanglement.
15:48:45 <boa> If anyone's interested, pruning is slow... My SSD reads about 1GB/s of data, and has been doing that for a very long time now. /me will have a look at the source code eventually, because this is a little bit silly-slow
15:49:22 <boa> Weid thing is how much time is spent in the Linux kernel and doing io wait
15:55:50 <moneromooo> boa: please feel free. First thing to check if whether committing and restarting a new txn every N blocks speeds it up.
15:55:56 <moneromooo> blockchain_prune.cpp
15:56:49 <apotheon> now building monero
15:56:50 <apotheon> wheee
15:57:15 <moneromooo> (because if you have a huge txn and still modify it, it'll swap your computer to the ground)
15:59:54 <boa> My initial suspect was the kernel cache, since more than 30% is spent in system, and about 6% in IO wait. Since the db is one huge file and since the pruning process seems to read a lot right now (last msg was 'creating pruned tx_prunable'), I suspect that it's cache issues. Not much write going on it seems, but wtf do I know?
16:03:08 <apotheon> hmph
16:03:11 <apotheon> errored out
16:03:23 <apotheon> ENOMONERO
16:04:29 <apotheon> /path/to/monero/contrib/epee/src/net_ssl.cpp:579:19: error: use of undeclared identifier 'SSL_CTX_get0_privatekey'
16:06:04 <hyc> sounds like you're using an old version of OpenSSL
16:07:46 <apotheon> I'm on OpenBSD, so . . . LibreSSL?
16:09:43 <apotheon> hmm
16:09:46 <apotheon> will check into this
16:09:50 <boa> @moneromooo, will the pruning process delete the old version of the database automatically?
16:23:08 <apotheon> I'm up to date with LibreSSL for 6.8-stable.
16:24:24 <apotheon> I guess I might need to install OpenSSL as well.
16:25:44 <apotheon> did that, still fails the same way
16:27:56 <apotheon> hyc: What version of OpenSSL do I need?
16:33:06 <apotheon> Apparently, I have to contribute to the monero repository with a merged commit to report a build error on OpenBSD 6.8-stable.
16:33:27 <apotheon> I don't know how to contribute to it at this point, when I can't even build it.
16:38:24 <apotheon> ndorf: In answer to your earlier question . . . it won't build on OpenBSD here.
16:41:00 <Elementoshi[m]> Is Monero the only ryptocurrency that has a decent CLI?
16:43:16 <moneromooo> boa: with monero-blockchain-prune, it's kept alongside the pruned db, delete when you've checked the pruned db works. Wiht moenrod, it's the same file.
16:43:36 <apotheon> Elementoshi[m]: I wish I could find out.
16:44:03 <apotheon> The cat is still both alive and dead for me.
16:44:03 <moneromooo> apotheon: does it tell you why at least ?
16:44:14 <apotheon> /path/to/monero/contrib/epee/src/net_ssl.cpp:579:19: error: use of undeclared identifier 'SSL_CTX_get0_privatekey'
16:44:17 <apotheon> that's what it tells me
16:44:41 <nc1236[m]> How far out are BTC atomic swaps from being implemented?
16:44:42 <moneromooo> My fault for being vague. Does github tell you why you can't file ?
16:45:42 <apotheon> "An owner of this repository has limited the ability to open an issue to users that have contributed to this repository in the past."
16:47:13 <moneromooo> fluffypony: is it possible to add an extra message to this, so people know what's going on ?
16:47:28 <apotheon> Maybe the spammer has been spamming project issues.
16:47:35 <apotheon> or, rather, the griefer, or whatever
16:47:37 <moneromooo> Definitely has.
16:47:45 <apotheon> sucky
16:47:50 <moneromooo> Definitely is.
16:48:11 <apotheon> The level of annoyance in IRC is actually pretty low, but doing that to project issues is downright nasty.
16:48:46 <moneromooo> Should have a good career path in large corps :D
16:48:55 <apotheon> lovely
16:49:09 <apotheon> Well, shit.  I give up.  I'm not finding any good solutions.
16:49:32 <apotheon> I guess Monero's just broken on OpenBSD for now.
16:50:52 <Elementoshi[m]> That sucks
16:52:09 <apotheon> I might try again after OpenBSD 6.9-release happens.
16:59:19 <moneromooo> Can you paste the code from line 575 to 580 please ? Doesn't seem to match mine.
17:07:43 <apotheon> moneromooo: http://sprunge.us/p7Ts0Q
17:08:12 <apotheon> I assume you mean 575-580 of net_ssl.cpp . . .
17:09:11 <BTCisMyFavNFT> nicopok
17:09:41 <BTCisMyFavNFT> Do you plan to have HU tables?
17:10:24 <BTCisMyFavNFT> Also, do you intend to implement any anti-collusion mechanics? (which is probably impossible in this format, but wanted to check nonetheless)
17:12:23 <xrv0[m]> What kind of collusion?
17:12:39 <BTCisMyFavNFT> me playing against a group of 5 sharing hole cards, etc
17:12:57 <BTCisMyFavNFT> could you tell us a bit more about your RNG also?
17:12:57 <moneromooo> Thanks. Guess it's very new, I don't have that yet.
17:13:47 <apotheon> I see.
17:14:19 <apotheon> I still haven't seen any evidence of someone noticing my pull request for meta.
17:14:23 <apotheon> bummer
17:23:56 <kpyvnthcdf> Did you know that all witdraw-buyer-seller-depoist chains are trackable in Monero? No? You should have read Breaking Monero. How many people are you endangering with your 'privacy' coin?
17:25:44 <apotheon> moneromooo: git blame reports line 579 changes three years ago and sixteen months ago
17:26:02 <apotheon> actually
17:26:14 <apotheon> I guess it's not for that line specifically.  It seems to be for a whole block of stuff.
17:26:23 <apotheon> . . . but there's also a change from a month ago, apparently.
17:26:38 <apotheon> GitHub's interface for this is a bit difficult to figure out.
17:27:53 <Mochi101> jess, how is this spammer creating so many register accounts on freenode?
17:28:29 <louipc> registering can be automated basically
17:29:21 <jess> just takes an email address
17:29:27 <Mochi101> Yes of course... I'm not really asking how.
17:30:01 <jess> well, that's what you asked
17:30:04 <Mochi101> Are all the password hashes the same for all of these new accounts?
17:30:12 <apotheon> Okay, git command line blame:
17:30:14 <apotheon> 9867a913dc (Lee Clagett       2021-02-09 17:06:12 -0500 579)   if (!(ssl_key = SSL_CTX_get0_privatekey(ctx)) || !(ssl_cert = SSL_CTX_get0_certificate(ctx)))
17:30:23 <Mochi101> Can't it be ade a little more diffifult for him?
17:30:35 <jess> i don't gave access to password hashes and those are salted anyway
17:30:42 <jess> have*
17:31:17 <jess> im open to ideas, I've got none
17:31:39 <Mochi101> System supplied password sent as an image.
17:31:41 <moneromooo> Well, it's always the same rough set of lines. Fuzzy string grep ?
17:31:44 <louipc> staging room for new registrations :p
17:31:56 <louipc> or 5m silence or something
17:32:02 <moneromooo> Of course, he'l probably excrete new stuff.
17:32:10 <jess> anyone can do fuzzy string matching, i dont need to be involved
17:32:28 <Mochi101> jess, system supplied password sent as an obfuscated image like in captchas.
17:32:31 <moneromooo> Fair.
17:32:32 <louipc> jess: pro answer :D
17:32:37 <jess> i fight spam worse than this all day long
17:33:03 <Mochi101> You're a real badass jess. Brave, and fierce.
17:33:04 <Mochi101> ;)
17:33:06 <moneromooo> My irssi takes care of those so far :D
17:33:23 <jess> not saying it's not an issue, just that i have very little time
17:33:42 <louipc> get some minions to do your bidings
17:34:00 <jess> im trying to get more staff hired :)
17:34:35 <Mochi101> Don't you get paid massive amounts of money from Freenode to deal with it though jess? Like $7000 per month?
17:34:42 <jess> I'm a volunteer
17:35:14 <Mochi101> sorry
17:35:41 <fluffypony> moneromooo: no there isn't
17:35:55 <fluffypony> I wonder
17:35:56 <jess> freenode doesn't have money
17:36:07 <Mochi101> neither do I
17:36:09 <SerHack> jess: oh :( huge ops to fight spammers
17:36:11 <fluffypony> is the message shown when you get to the issues screen
17:36:14 <fluffypony> or only when you try post
17:36:21 <fluffypony> because we could use an issues template to inform
17:42:45 <apotheon> It's, um, "interesting" that I have a manpage here for SSL_CTX_get0_certificate but not SSL_CTX_get0_privatekey.
18:39:55 <LVanon> Maybe I posted this message in the wrong channel twice, I try one last time here: Hi guys! I want to know how I can calculate the profits if I buy a mining rig. Please let me know everything I need to account for. Electricity price? I pay 0.23 SEK / kWh ($1 = ~8 SEK), (tl;dr: very very low electricity cost). I need to know how much ETHEREUM I can end up with when using a specific rig. The idea is to invest in a great rig, me and my partner are interested
18:39:55 <LVanon> in investing in a proper mining rig, but we're both new to this and we know we can get started soon with your help. We will then learn more about the technology. (Me myself have traded BTC since the beginning by selling RS gold, I just never cared to learn about how it works, except for the private key, cold/hot storage etc). Can anyone please reply and answer what machine you recommend, how much ETH it will bring in every month if ran 24/7/365. We are
18:39:56 <LVanon> prepared to invest in this, but I want to start by imagine if we invested $2000. Kind regards
18:41:26 <apotheon> fluffypony: The message shows when clicking the "new issue" button or when viewing an existing issue, but not when viewing the list of issues.
18:41:52 <apotheon> fluffypony: Sorry, I didn't immediately realize you might be asking me about when the message shows.
18:43:45 <as2333> LVanon, this isnt an ethereum channel
18:45:08 <LVanon> as2333: Sorry I meant XMR of course... :facepalm:
18:45:21 <LVanon> Genuinely. I've been here previously today talking about XMR and got great help from you
18:45:28 <Mochi101> s/ETHEREUM/MONERO
18:46:02 <LVanon> Not you personally but others here. But if we buy a real good mining rig. How much XMR can we expect? Can we do something to increase profits etc? Like get more involved, run nodes?
18:47:01 <apotheon> LVanon: You need an Ethereum channel for your questions, not a Monero channel.
18:47:16 <apotheon> Oh, wait, "I meant XMR".
18:47:20 <apotheon> hmm
18:47:28 <apotheon> weird
18:47:49 <Mochi101> LVanon, right now you can earn about ~1.1 XMR +block fees per block mined.
18:51:05 <LVanon> Mochi101: What kind of machine would we need to mine very efficiently?
18:52:19 <Mochi101> It would need to have a very powerful processor, very fast memory and use very little electricity to mine very efficiently.
18:52:38 <Mochi101> LVanon, why didn't you stay in #monero-pools to ask these questions?
18:53:05 <vtnerd> apotheon : yeah I targeted openssl 1.1 (our listed dependency), but didn't realize that openssl was api incompatible
18:53:38 <apotheon> I have 1.1.1, apparently.
18:53:58 <apotheon> (having installed the OpenSSL package)
18:54:15 <vtnerd> the entire patch can be reverted if necessary, but not immediately sure how the trust-on-first-use attempt for wallet->daemon will function meaningfully (optionally enabled somehow?)
18:54:25 <lord_fomo[m]> i gotta say i love how this room is very intolerant of crypto tinas 😂
18:54:36 <vtnerd> openssl is libressl iirc, a fork, no?
18:54:41 <vtnerd> *openbsd
18:55:01 <apotheon> LibreSSL is in base for OpenBSD, OpenSSL is in packages.
18:55:16 <vtnerd> oh ok, so theres both and neither has that function?
18:55:38 <apotheon> . . . though, now that i think about it, I wonder if the OpenSSL package's API is "hidden" by default.
18:56:09 <apotheon> (compiling as non-root)
18:56:36 <vtnerd> yeah you'd have to do `VERBOSE=1 make` to see what paths were selected for inclusion
18:56:42 <apotheon> Ideally, I'd want to use LibreSSL, anyway, but I wonder what I'd have to do to get the Monero build to find OpenSSL.
18:57:03 <vtnerd> yes, it would be nice if it was compatible with both
18:57:33 <vtnerd> check help page for cmake's FindOpenssl, there should be an environment path to search first
18:58:10 <vtnerd> https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/module/FindOpenSSL.html
18:58:47 <vtnerd> you can either set a root directory for searching, or (I think)r force paths manually
19:03:10 <apotheon> I'm having trouble finding relevant information with VERBOSE=1.
19:03:29 <vtnerd> that should list the entire command given to gcc
19:03:56 <vtnerd> or is clang used now? probably clang. either way it will show `-I ...` for special include paths, otherwise the default `/usr/include` is picked up
19:04:31 <vtnerd> openbsd might use a different default directory, but I think thats their structure too
19:06:06 <apotheon> Everything for -I seems to be things within the Monero tree.
19:06:10 <hyc> LibreSSL is a pain, since it advertises OpenSSL's version macros
19:06:18 <apotheon> There's also this: -isystem /usr/local/include
19:06:19 <hyc> but is not 100% compatible with any OpenSSL version
19:06:56 <hyc> they really screwed the pooch when they forked the code
19:06:59 <vtnerd> yeah, then the compiler is searching that directory too
19:07:21 <vtnerd> because `-isystem` does the same thing
19:07:22 <fluffypony> apotheon: ah yeah then an issue template won't help
19:07:23 <fluffypony> sigh
19:07:49 <vtnerd> it should mean that no special directory is being searched, and therefore the OpenSSL headers are _probably_ not being used
19:08:12 <vtnerd> LibreSSL hijacks the directory scheme too, which is why this is annoying
19:09:34 <apotheon> GitHub's code search finds no mention of "SSL_CTX_get0_privatekey" anywhere in the whole LibreSSL tree, by the way.
19:09:56 <apotheon> I guess that was just removed for some reason.
19:10:27 <hyc> it is a new API, added in OpenSSL 1.1
19:10:55 <apotheon> ah
19:11:11 <apotheon> I didn't realize it didn't exist until 1.1 . . .
19:11:55 <apotheon> vtnerd: Thanks for the help figuring this out.
19:12:42 <hyc> hmm. maybe. looks like it was actually added back in 2013
19:12:42 <hyc> so maybe this is their old API. they keep renaming functions...
19:12:43 <hyc> well, this is definitely newer than their 0.9 API
19:13:18 <apotheon> hyc: I thought I saw it existing something like six years ago, but . . . I didn't sleep well enough last night, so I'm second-guessing everything I think at this point.
19:13:44 <hyc> their 1.0.0 release was in 2010, so yeah, it's still relatively "new"
19:14:39 <KSaunderson> hi guys, i want to work on this one: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/5979
19:17:02 <moneromooo> Sure, thanks. Looks a fairly self contained one.
19:17:37 <apotheon> I need a nap.  Ta.
19:33:54 <QUEENREPTAR> howdy
19:34:44 <jwinterm> hi reptar
19:35:02 <jwinterm> weird picturing female cowboy reptar dinosaur saying "howdy"
19:35:37 <QUEENREPTAR> hmmm
19:49:12 <louipx> yeap
19:49:24 <moneromooo> lol
20:01:50 <hundehausen[m]> For when is the next network upgrade scheduled?
20:02:16 <moneromooo> There is none scheduled yet.
20:02:37 <gingeropolous> sgp_, ? ^ i think there's an idea that it'll happen within the next year
20:02:51 <gingeropolous> i can't remember the details from the last meeting where this was discussed
20:04:08 <hundehausen[m]> Okay and is there any schedule for the next wallet release?
20:05:02 <moneromooo> No.
20:05:27 <selsta> I want to put out a 0.17.2.0 soon
20:05:32 <selsta> but no date yet
20:06:41 <hundehausen[m]> Thank you, are we waiting for paticular features to be implimented? I know there are some work in progress CCS (xiphon, vtnerd, mj, moneromooo)
20:07:06 <hundehausen[m]>  * Thank you, are we waiting for paticular features to be implemented? I know there are some work in progress CCS (xiphon, vtnerd, mj, moneromooo)
20:07:34 <selsta> I don't think anyone is working on this
20:07:42 <selsta> oh wait
20:07:45 <selsta> ignore my message
20:07:53 <moneromooo> I'm not waiting for anything in particular, though next fork release will have Bulletproofs+, at least.
20:09:49 <hundehausen[m]> exciting, thank's guys