01:12:24 <angrymonkeyboi[m> Is there a way to ensure my Trezor T hardware/firmware wasn't tampered with en route to me?
01:14:50 <showcontroller> That's one of the reasons why I don't use a hardware wallet
04:30:27 <Bill48105> don't firmware have checksum that can be checked? or aren't they signed to ensure they're not altered? if no that'd seem like huge security hole
04:36:26 <ndorf> sure, but how are you going to read the firmware from the device, in order to verify it?
05:08:40 <as2333> you have to build and program the thing yourself
07:24:15 <nicopok> Hello
09:01:29 <kfafecgu> Why does the Saviour of NASA take a group achievement award and present it as a proof of individual glory? twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683
12:33:19 <DisBotXMR4> <tifoji> https://therecord.media/i-scrounged-through-the-trash-heaps-now-im-a-millionaire-an-interview-with-revils-unknown/
13:26:53 <lord_fomo[m]> https://pomp.substack.com/p/bitcoins-information-insurgency
13:26:58 <lord_fomo[m]> interesting little pamp
13:38:21 <sir_poppins[m]> <lord_fomo[m] "https://pomp.substack.com/p/bitc"> thank you Lord :)
13:42:03 <lord_fomo[m]> if we're gonna revolt it's gotta happen at the level of the "doers"
13:42:31 <lord_fomo[m]> nothing will come about unless the middle men and useless charlys are rendered powerless
13:42:33 <lord_fomo[m]> which they will
13:42:39 <lord_fomo[m]> peeps literally just have to choose it
13:42:44 <lord_fomo[m]> easiest thing in the world
13:43:22 <lord_fomo[m]> just stop giving ur money to beff jezos
13:44:19 <lord_fomo[m]> when soros shows up to ur cafe
13:44:29 <lord_fomo[m]> "sorry sir ur paper is no gud here"
13:44:37 <lord_fomo[m]> then show meme on phone
13:44:47 <lord_fomo[m]> it's that simple
13:44:48 <sir_poppins[m]> XD XD XD XD XD
13:45:19 <lord_fomo[m]> you make the world's rich poor, overnight
13:45:22 <lord_fomo[m]> just change the faith
13:45:32 <sir_poppins[m]> and they are speeding the chinese flute
13:45:32 <sir_poppins[m]> with there money
13:46:02 <sir_poppins[m]> high tech low life
13:46:43 <lord_fomo[m]> lmao
13:46:46 <lord_fomo[m]> "high tech"
13:46:51 <lord_fomo[m]> i think you mean "shit tech"
13:46:55 <lord_fomo[m]> that uses all ur ram
13:47:24 <lord_fomo[m]> "hamburger tech"
13:49:29 <sir_poppins[m]> pasta tech
13:49:29 <sir_poppins[m]> with what sauce will you have lord_fomo with your pasta tech ?
13:49:54 <lord_fomo[m]> structured concurrency
13:50:01 <lord_fomo[m]> zero web
13:50:07 <lord_fomo[m]> skin in the game
13:50:36 <sir_poppins[m]> hot and spacey :)
15:14:46 <auirseouwt> Howard, you know why all the 'Titanic intelligence Saviour of NASA' posts stopped last year? They know you are an embarrassment. Your arse didn't learn anything new in 25 years, and that includes C++. They just can't say it to your face.
15:52:47 <chrisash1991[m]> Good post
15:52:47 <chrisash1991[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/mb3t1a/bitushers_dense_and_concise_criticism_of_monero/grwgh8u/
17:54:18 <mmxxx[m]> can I ask about exchanges in here or is there a particular room that I need to go to?
17:55:54 <moneromooo> You can.
17:56:39 <moneromooo> There's #monero-markets but I believe that's for price stuff.
18:08:48 <charolastra> actually it's mostly for shittalking :p
18:12:17 <mmxxx[m]> ok, does anyone here have experience dealing with kucoin?? are they reliable/n00b friendly?
18:17:22 <ndorf> my experience with KuCoin is that they let me deposit without kyc, then demanded kyc before withdrawing.
18:17:50 <ndorf> quite shitty IMO, and i wouldn't recommend them for that reason alone. if that doesn't bother you though, they seem to be otherwise fine
18:20:41 <Inge-> ndorf: did you deposit/withdraw xmr only, or other stuff?
18:20:54 <Inge-> maybe something triggered their risk management
18:21:01 <ndorf> other stuff. shitcoins.
18:21:21 <ndorf> it wasn't much either, like $1k or less
18:21:44 <ndorf> feels like a somewhat subtle scam
18:22:00 <ndorf> (if you don't want to KYC they keep your shitcoins forever)
18:22:22 <moneromooo> Well, it sounds like you can choose what they rob you of at least. Polite.
18:22:24 <ndorf> if they clearly required KYC up front i wouldn't have an issue, it's the bait and switch that bothers me
18:32:08 <mmxxx[m]> <ndorf "my experience with KuCoin is tha"> thanks, I was about to get to that.
18:33:02 <mmxxx[m]> They don't appear to be very transparent about withdrawal limits without kyc, they claim 5 btc after kyc
18:33:46 <ndorf> definitely much less than even 0.5BTC in my case
18:33:52 <ndorf> (at the time)
18:42:40 <donkeydonkey[m]> kucoin has a 5BTC per 24 hour with only email verifcation
18:42:50 <ndorf> on paper.
18:42:55 <donkeydonkey[m]> for US customer
18:43:13 <donkeydonkey[m]> and from experience
18:43:14 <ndorf> in reality, they demanded my photo ID and other documents upon trying to withdraw less than 1000 USD.
18:43:29 <donkeydonkey[m]> hmm worked her
18:43:34 <donkeydonkey[m]> here
18:43:41 <ndorf> yeah, selective scams are a thing.
18:43:49 <donkeydonkey[m]> sucks
18:44:17 <donkeydonkey[m]> for sure do your own research.
18:56:40 <as2333> <ndorf> on paper.
18:56:49 <as2333> exactly - all those operations are scams
18:59:29 <as2333> not releasing your funds unless you comply with some alleged 'regulation' is just outright theft.
19:00:12 <ndorf> yeah, like i said, if they'd clearly required KYC before i made the deposit i wouldn't be salty about it
19:00:21 <ndorf> i might or might not have actually provided said KYC, but i wouldn't complain either way
19:00:52 <as2333> right, but if they tell upfront that, then they get less victims.
19:01:13 <ndorf> right
19:32:01 <NonLoSo[m]> most exchanges that list no kyc under a threshold have the same issue
19:32:19 <NonLoSo[m]> if you trip up any security measure they have in place it will pop need for kyc
19:32:58 <NonLoSo[m]> could be the IP you are connecting from could be address outflow if your using a different crypto that has black or greylist address lists
19:38:15 <gingeropolous> whats the name for a role where you go in and point out why things aren't working
19:38:39 <hyc> smartass?
19:38:50 <gingeropolous> consulting? analyst?
19:38:57 <hyc> consultant, sure
19:39:03 <gingeropolous> lol. smartass. indeed :)
19:39:20 <moneromooo> Tradesman.
19:39:32 <moneromooo> Depends what isn't working.
19:40:59 <as2333> "point out why things aren't working"  <--- sane 'customer'
19:41:34 <gingeropolous> i guess investigator would also fit
19:41:40 <hv-bridge> <crypt3R> alguien habla español?
19:42:16 <as2333> " you trip up any security measure "  <--- it's all bullshit.
19:43:38 <gingeropolous> i always think "solutions consultant" is what i want to look for, but then its all "get clients to realize how all the features of our product can solve their problems!"
19:44:51 <gingeropolous> and its some like spreadsheet management scheduler taskforce rock emulator
19:45:28 <ndorf> gingeropolous: https://www.theonion.com/i-provide-office-solutions-says-pitiful-little-man-1819564867 :)
19:46:31 <gingeropolous> of course its difficult to really get motivated when the actual solution to most things im interested in is, in fact, a cryptocurrency revolution.
19:47:10 <gingeropolous> so i guess thats enough lookin at the job boards today!
19:47:56 <charolastra> noone wants to hear why stuff doesn't work. especially if they are responsible for it
22:25:39 <thwbamexvdm> I think everyone here knows that most Monero exchange withdrawals and desposits are traceable (Breaking Monero - poisoned outputs). How does it feel to go out and lie to people that they are private and then earn less than holding BTC on your bag?
22:40:48 <x3nu[m]> <thwbamexvdm "I think everyone here knows that"> they aren't traceable pleb
22:41:26 <nioc> it's a spam bot
22:41:36 <x3nu[m]> lol ok
22:41:49 <nioc> never mind that breaking monero was produced by.....................monero lol
22:41:58 <x3nu[m]> was about to go in on him  :)
22:48:05 <k3LV1n> oh boi
23:22:25 <apotheon> I love desposits.
23:22:31 <apotheon> I want more desposits.
23:22:40 <Mochi102> .faucet
23:22:40 <Wallet> Mochi102: Of 2 or 8, wh​ich is 2
23:22:43 <Mochi102> 2
23:22:44 <Wallet> Mochi102: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000029 XMR to Mochi102 [8b641829] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01215254
23:23:08 <apotheon> Ooh.  Is that a thing?
23:23:14 <apotheon> .faucet
23:23:14 <Wallet> apotheon: @bonuspot tipped 0.00001 XMR to apotheon [d37a8dcd] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01214254
23:23:21 <apotheon> woohoo
23:24:52 <Bill48105> lol yeah unless people abuse it
23:24:58 <Bill48105> and annoy people
23:25:04 <nioc> apotheon: you didn't even need to answer one of those difficult questions
23:25:12 <nioc> lucky
23:25:12 <Mochi102> .balance
23:25:13 <Wallet> Mochi102: • Your balance is: 0.0000116 XMR (≈0 USD)
23:25:14 <apotheon> I noticed.  Weird.
23:25:32 <Bill48105> yeah the bot randomly gives people a free pass (no captcha)
23:25:50 <moneromooo> And can so it again earlier than Mochi102 too. I smell favouritism :P
23:26:01 <Bill48105> it's partly to be nice but also to better catch/trip up automated faucets
23:26:12 <Mochi102> jeese Bill48105
23:26:24 <apotheon> It's probably because Wallet is giving a donation to a nonprofit association.
23:26:38 <apotheon> that's the reason for favoritism
23:26:42 <Bill48105> been runnin bots for enough years i've seen & dealt with about everything
23:26:45 <apotheon> It turns out Wallet is a true philanthropist.
23:27:07 <nioc> .faucet
23:27:10 <Wallet> nioc: Of 6 or 2, which is ​2
23:27:17 <nioc> both
23:27:18 <Wallet> nioc: Oops that is not correct. Try again later.
23:27:21 <apotheon> har
23:27:22 <nioc> damn
23:27:24 <apotheon> oops
23:27:31 <Mochi102> nioc never gets them right
23:27:31 <nioc> one day I'll get it
23:27:37 <apotheon> I wonder what would have happened if you said "2 * 3".
23:27:49 <Mochi102> .tip nioc 0.0000016
23:27:50 <Wallet> Mochi102: Oops: 0.0000016 - invalid amount (must be 0.00001 or more)
23:27:56 <nioc> but both of them does = 2
23:27:57 <Mochi102> .tip nioc 0.0000116
23:27:58 <Wallet> Mochi102 tipped 0.0000116 XMR to nioc [9eed7165]
23:28:23 <Mochi102> Don't spend it all in one place nioc
23:28:27 <nioc> there are 2 of them
23:28:51 <nioc> Mochi102: imma just holding it safely for you
23:29:31 <Mochi102> ;)
23:29:43 <Bill48105> to keep it simple all captcha answers are single digit 0 thru 9
23:29:49 <nioc> .balance
23:29:50 <Wallet> nioc: • Your balance is: 0.0031312 XMR (≈0.69 USD)
23:30:01 <nioc> all mochi's ^^
23:30:23 <Bill48105> so keep that in mind when answering since yes there could be multiple correct answers but only 0-9 are accepted
23:30:40 <apotheon> .help Wallet
23:30:40 <Wallet> apotheon: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs: https://bill48105.github.io/wallet/ | My core commands: .balance .deposit .faucet .ping .soak .tip .val .withdraw  | .help <games|share|misc|other> to see others | .help <cmd> for more details.
23:30:42 <nioc> yes I need all the help I can get
23:30:51 <apotheon> hmm
23:31:01 <apotheon> I don't see anything about checking the exchange rate, unfortunately.
23:31:09 <Bill48105> .xmr
23:31:09 <Wallet> Bill48105: ≈$219.2581 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
23:31:14 <apotheon> AH!
23:31:25 <Bill48105> most common coins have a shortcut like that
23:31:36 <Bill48105> you can see more market data though if you want
23:31:47 <Bill48105> .val xmr
23:31:47 <Wallet> Bill48105: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈219.26 • ccc/LAToken: ≈$219.18 24HΔ: 0.96% Vol: 430.38K [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$219.34 24HΔ: -0.04% 7DΔ: -4.47% [< 16m]
23:32:09 <apotheon> Now I know that I got about a fifth of a cent from that faucet drip.
23:32:16 <Bill48105> the default just shows the bare min since 99% of the time people just want to know $
23:32:20 <burp> .faucet
23:32:21 <Wallet> burp: 1/4​ of 16
23:32:27 <burp> 4
23:32:27 <Bill48105> 4
23:32:31 <Wallet> burp: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000044 XMR to burp [ae25a0b5] Wait ≈1 day 48 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01213814
23:32:39 <Bill48105> freenode sure is lagging a lot lately
23:33:14 <burp> you can steal my faucet by answering earlier? :D
23:33:22 <Bill48105> i thought about adding that
23:33:29 <Bill48105> but people were mad at the idea
23:33:36 <Bill48105> i thought it would be fun
23:33:39 <apotheon> Yeah, that seems a bit messed up.
23:33:53 <apotheon> It seems very exploitable in some sense.
23:34:01 <Bill48105> yeah that was one reason i didnt do it
23:34:17 <Bill48105> would be ripe for abuse
23:34:19 <apotheon> Maybe it would be good to make that part of a separate command, like "drip".
23:34:25 <apotheon> or "fountain"
23:34:26 <Bill48105> right
23:34:28 <apotheon> or something
23:34:36 <moneromooo> Should be .drop, since this monero
23:34:36 <Bill48105> then the person running is consenting to letting others try to steal
23:34:39 * moneromooo hides
23:34:43 <Bill48105> kek
23:35:07 <Bill48105> i added ducks that pay out coins instead. users can race to be 1st on those
23:35:18 <moneromooo> \_o<
23:35:19 <Bill48105> except xmr isn't supported
23:35:28 * burp looks for the closest server to the freenode server Wallet is using
23:35:31 <Bill48105> there wasn't enough in community pot to bother
23:36:08 <Bill48105> i used to specify server but freenode said we're supposed to use chat. & let them tell us which to use
23:36:57 <Bill48105> most of the games are very noisy for chat channels are best in a dedicated channel
23:37:13 <Bill48105> especially when channels are bridged
23:38:01 <burp> so why is Wallet not in #tippero?
23:38:33 <Bill48105> it wasn't invited to be there but it's (was) competing bot i guess so not sure if that's cool or not
23:38:47 <moneromooo> It's been dead for a long time now, feel free.
23:39:07 <Bill48105> i'd have no issue putting it in there but i don't add the bot anywhere without owner/op saying it's ok
23:39:16 <louipc> burp: lol is tippero in tippero
23:39:24 <Bill48105> kek nope
23:39:25 <burp> no?
23:39:26 <Bill48105> been ded awhile
23:39:30 <Bill48105> like 2 years now?
23:39:32 <Bill48105> long time
23:39:34 <burp> louipc: I still have some balance on it :P
23:39:38 <Bill48105> other than short time it was back for withdrawals
23:39:39 <apotheon> #tippero
23:39:40 <apotheon> hmm
23:39:44 <apotheon> I haven't heard of that channel.
23:40:00 <louipc> burp: me too. i got exit scammed!
23:42:05 <Bill48105> catch fluffy when around
23:42:11 <Bill48105> see if he's still doing manual sends
23:42:18 <Bill48105> can't promise anything but worth asking
23:43:10 <burp> maybe if we bundle it from a bunch of people