00:10:28 .faucet 00:10:29 strike: How many digits is ​6281 00:10:31 4 00:10:32 strike: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000035 XMR to strike [e193a2a2] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01215347 00:11:08 .xmr bal 00:11:08 louipc: 0.00007 XMR 00:11:16 waow 00:11:24 loui the monero whale 00:12:04 .val 0.00007 xmr doge 00:12:04 louipc: ≈0.29 DOGE • ≈ value of: 0.00007 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 00:12:16 huehuehue 00:58:47 dogecoin is very over-valued 01:06:07 bitcoin too 01:21:12 Many things are overvalued. 01:21:20 for some definition of "overvalued" 01:21:27 I'm probably overvalued. 01:22:00 doge is cute 01:23:32 I never found it cute, but I guess cuteness is in the eye of the beholder. 01:26:43 I find this much cuter: https://www.sunnyskyz.com/blog/669/There-s-A-Place-Where-Hundreds-Of-Wild-Foxes-Are-Waiting-For-You-To-Play-With-Them 01:28:53 arent wild animals vicious 01:29:05 trying to write grep in rust is "cute" 01:29:28 as are doggies 01:31:06 this is cute 01:31:08 http://techrights.org/2019/10/30/bailed-out-by-militarism/ 01:31:19 lmao and i thought i was an opponent of msft 01:32:00 that meme is 💋 01:33:24 fundamental lack of understanding of how git works 01:33:47 but then again probably most people who use github dont understand how git works 01:34:41 git is the best 01:47:35 im working with the daemon RPC interface and its going good, so when i hit the get_transaction_pool method and im checking out the transactions in the pool i am getting 0 in the receive_time field on every transaction in the pool. i'm assuming that should be a timestamp for when the transaction was received by the pool but they are all coming back zero on that field.. any ideas? thanks much. 01:52:41 donkeydonkey[m]: is your rpc restricted? 01:52:54 yes 01:52:59 try unrestricted 01:54:06 might be that this kind of info is hidden in restricted mode 01:54:18 ok i will check it 02:44:02 good one superhacker. i fired up my local daemon with non restricted and im getting timestamps on all the transactions in the mempool. interesting seams some fields are restricted on that call. 02:45:29 New Monerujo update has *fantastic* new sub address features: 02:45:29 https://github.com/m2049r/xmrwallet/releases/tag/v1.18.1 02:46:12 * New Monerujo update has *fantastic* new sub address features including naming subaddresses, listing all transactions per subaddress, and improving UX around transactions sent to them: 02:46:13 https://github.com/m2049r/xmrwallet/releases/tag/v1.18.1 03:52:37 so for my remotenode i would like to enable rpc login for the daemon. i set rpc-login=username:password so i can have unrestriced remote access. im having trouble getting it to authorize though. im connecting with http fetch and adding in Authorization header with Basic encoded64(username:password) but getting 401 unauthorized. anyone have experince login in with rpc-login.. thanks all! 04:55:46 vtnerd: Let me know, please, if/when you know something is happening that would make OpenBSD builds work again. 04:57:02 vtnerd: I'd like to start using the Monero command line wallet soonish. 06:19:07 apotheon: are you having some other build problem on OpenBSD, aside from the one i warned you about? 09:36:08 https://linuxreviews.org/United_Nations_Whisteblower_Says_The_Tor_Anonymity_Network_Is_Great_For_Human_Rights_Work 09:36:11 big if true 09:36:25 (and offtopic too, but I figured enough people here would find it interesting lol) 11:29:21 vikrantsCake[m]: blockFi as best as I can tell, were arbing GBTC premium to fund their yields. That premium turned negative a while ago ... 11:56:52 ndorf: There was a recent commit to the repository, using an OpenSSL function unavailable in LibreSSL, that broke building on OpenBSD. 12:39:05 Time to withdraw all 13:28:23 vikrantsCake[m]: not your keys ... 13:29:39 Resume care of a non-custodial wallet you would think that I would follow that philosophy 😉 13:29:53 * > <@freenode_Inge-:matrix.org> vikrants (Cake): not your keys ... 13:29:53 As a maker of a non-custodial wallet you would think that I would follow that philosophy 😉 13:30:00 :D 16:27:22 is there any future for monero in less environmental impact? i.e. some replacement for cpu pow mining? 16:29:41 only Pow works for coins 16:59:23 No, screw the environment 17:02:22 You're part of it. Do I take it you can go fuck yourself then ? 17:14:19 I could have sworn I saw something a while ago comparing environmental impact of mining some of the most popular coins and monero was one of the best, does anyone know what I'm on about or am I misremembering? 17:15:09 There have been multiple discussion about this lately 17:15:18 Few of them using accurate numbers 17:16:50 And almost everyone leaves out that the outcome of mining isn't just the block reward, but also the transactions getting validated 17:19:06 yeah, it's converting physical energy into security of the network 17:58:22 .fauce 17:58:23 .faucet 17:58:23 strike: Of 4 <-> 5, which is​ 5 17:58:30 right 17:58:31 strike: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. 17:58:33 .faucet 17:58:36 strike: Of 4 & 2,​ which is 4 17:58:46 strike: Oops you took too long. 17:58:47 1 17:58:49 .faucet 17:58:50 strike: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000002 XMR to strike [a36b3f5b] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01215327 19:08:55 If only one of you gave Papa ChooChoo some TLC when I wrote a faster miner, instead of ignoring him, things could have happened differently https://np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/5lsfgt/_/dbz0jnp/ 19:12:32 lol papa choochoo 19:12:38 a nickname is born 19:12:42 lol 19:12:52 What the hell does "Papa ChooChoo" even mean? 19:12:58 as if it matters eh 19:13:03 IT DOES 19:13:05 kek 19:13:08 har 19:13:15 NOT 19:13:30 when rando is rambling on standing at street corner i don't ask him what that gibberish means 19:13:37 i keep on walking 19:14:08 some things best left unknown 19:14:20 referring to a contributor, last name Chu 19:16:18 apotheon: ah, crap. didn't realize that. is that the master or release-0.17 branch? you probably want to build the release-0.17 branch to use mainnet (IMHO) 19:17:13 Speaking of someone on a street corner, I saw a one-legged man in a wheelchair the other day with a sign that said "Please help. On my last leg." 19:17:31 lza_menace: Oh, thanks. I missed that reference. 19:17:55 I guess the Papa part ties in with that whole "don't you wish your mother was a Howard groupie" line, too. 19:18:22 ndorf: I guess I'm not sure. 19:18:31 I'll check on that. 19:18:55 It has been a couple days now, so I've cleared brain-RAM by now. 19:19:42 if it's anything like computer-RAM, perhaps putting your head in the freezer might help? :D 19:27:00 ndorf: I'm tempted. 19:27:21 It's probably a better choice than the oven. 19:34:03 apotheon: do you happen to know which commit caused the LibreSSL breakage? 19:35:32 not off the top of my head 19:35:40 I'll look for it again. It was within the last month or two. 19:39:13 ndorf: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/commit/9867a913dcb333d0bcfabe5e21df2f3c1ad26858 19:40:21 ndorf: specifically https://github.com/monero-project/monero/commit/9867a913dcb333d0bcfabe5e21df2f3c1ad26858#diff-06533929e35a0779b0d2b4952e8306dc85d0603aea0db1f8840f3dee24edee1aR579 19:40:53 ndorf: It's the SSL_CTX_get0_privatekey() function. 19:41:13 feh. ok, thanks 19:42:28 apotheon: release-0.17 should still build for now though, and that's the one you want anyway. 19:42:34 modulo that -DARCH=default thing. 19:44:26 Okay, that's good to know. 19:44:37 Thanks. 19:44:42 I guess I'll try again. 19:44:49 . . . probably tomorrow, at this point. 19:45:39 wfaressuissia[m]: Hi! It's me with the rock64, I guess my matrix server failed on me... 19:45:53 Is there a cmake option for the debug build? 19:46:09 sijanec: CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE? 19:46:37 ndorf: thanks 19:47:02 sijanec: the top-level Makefile has targets that will automatically set that up and place it in a separate directory from the default build. 19:47:15 sijanec: e.g. `make debug`, `make debug-all`, `debug-static` and so on. 19:47:55 Yeah, I saw that, so cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug . automatically places binaries into a special directory? 19:48:02 no. 19:48:08 That's what happened when I built Release. 19:48:09 The directions for OpenBSD don't say anything about choosing a particular branch or the -DARCH option, which seems less than ideal. 19:48:35 sijanec: `make debug-all` will create a separate directory build/debug, and run cmake -DCMAKE_RELEASE_TYPE=Debug there. 19:48:41 It should put the binaries into ./bin when you run that. 19:49:11 Okay, thanks. 19:49:46 apotheon: the -DARCH thing is a workaround for a fairly recent (i think) Boost bug 19:52:27 apotheon: it'd be easy to make the workaround automatic when OpenBSD is detected, but i wanted to see if it's fixed in the newer boost versions first, which i haven't gotten around to yet 19:54:06 also it's not clear which exact architectures require that workaround (certainly any amd64 westmere or newer, but not sure about older amd64 or others like arm*) 19:55:25 not really looking forward to attempting an arm build, lol 19:56:06 ndorf: Oh, lovely (re: Boost bugs). 19:56:14 yeah, good times 19:56:44 Every once in a while, I run across a nice reminder like this for why I've been staying away from C++ for more than a decade. 19:57:21 bloatware everywhere 19:57:26 hmm 19:57:40 What about Intel? 19:57:55 . . . or is Westmere an Intel codename? 19:58:06 westmere is intel circa 2010 19:58:10 ah 19:58:20 Shit, that's just about *everything* now. 19:58:32 yep 19:58:55 Criminy. That might apply to an old T500 here. 19:59:08 don't think so. 19:59:26 T500 is like 2008 if i'm not mistaken 19:59:30 Oh, right, I guess that wouldn't have gotten into laptops the same year. 19:59:35 Oh, is it? 19:59:40 Damn, I can't keep track. 19:59:47 I really don't keep up with hardware. 20:00:06 I have a 2020 laptop now, but that doesn't mean I know/remember much about hardware details. 20:00:20 if you feel like trying the build there and letting me know if you a compile error in boost/thread.cpp, i wouldn't mind :) 20:00:38 Everything since the advent of Intel ME just feels like a compromise for expediency. 20:00:59 Do you mean trying without the -DARCH or with it? 20:01:04 without it 20:01:13 I can try it when I get around to trying the build. 20:01:15 to see if the -DARCH is needed on those 20:01:18 right 20:01:21 Wait. 20:01:28 Are you talking about the T500 or my 2020 laptop? 20:01:29 with -DARCH it should hopefully work everywhere 20:01:34 T500 20:01:37 ohhhh 20:01:53 Okay, I can try there, too, but that'll be an extra task just for kicks. 20:01:54 oh, uh 20:01:58 actually i guess we don't need to do that 20:02:16 No? 20:02:22 we can just try to figure out what -march=native would resolve to on that, and then i can try it on reasonable hardware with that specific arch. 20:03:04 Come to think of it, I might have use for that computer running Monero software, so I might try it anyway. 20:05:59 apotheon: if you could, please run `echo | c++ -E - -march=native -###` and tell me what immediately follows "-target-cpu" in the output? 20:06:06 what kind of moron shills crypto mining ASICs in r/monero https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/mcefgm/start_mining_crypto_today_the_best_offer_for/ 20:06:38 lol 20:06:51 hyc: looks like he shills the same shit in every crypto subreddit without discriminating 20:07:02 figures 20:07:59 ndorf: Is this request on the T500? 20:08:00 nothing but blatant spam for 8 months, how is that user not banned yet 20:08:03 apotheon: yes please 20:08:19 Hang on. In a little bit, I'll go into my office and hook it up. 20:08:28 I think I have current OpenBSD on it right now. 20:09:04 oh, -current? shit, that might not even be broken because of the newer boost version :) haven't tried that yet 20:09:19 either way though, i'll still take that answer 20:21:45 crap 20:21:55 ndorf: I have to go away for half an hour or so. I can check after I get back. 20:22:02 no worries 20:23:12 apotheon: actually, don't bother. there are only a couple of dozen supported -march params, i'll just try them all 22:19:48 so yeah, it's broken on all of them. makes the fix nice and easy i guess :D 22:20:18 ah 22:20:26 (I'm back, by the way.) 22:20:34 and -march=native isn't supported on OpenBSD/aarch64 anyway, so no point in checking for that. 22:20:41 don't think we really care about other arches. 22:20:59 trivial fix incoming 22:21:05 woohoo 22:21:31 Now . . . if only someone would evaluate my pull request in meta. 22:21:45 i did :D 22:21:49 was hoping someone else would comment 22:21:53 (maybe someone already did; I haven't checked in the last few minutes) 22:21:55 I see. 22:22:00 You're my hero. 22:22:04 sorta 22:22:09 lol, i was gonna say. 22:22:10 I mean, I don't really have heros, so much. 22:22:19 might want to evaluate my response before making a comment like that :) 22:22:20 . . . not since the passing of Claude Shannon, I guess. 22:23:02 my nitpick was that "array of binaries" doesn't seem to clearly indicate that it's referring to a specific, explicitly defined type "binary" 22:23:16 that being said, i certainly agree that the existing apostrophe thing isn't clear either, and should be fixed 22:23:24 just not sure what the ideal fix is 22:24:36 My usual solution in cases like that is to (consistently) make all technical terms that shouldn't be mangled by English into (or, in the case of Markdown, into `code`). 22:25:09 so then what, array of `binary`s? 22:25:11 . . . so "`binary`s". 22:25:13 yep 22:25:41 I can see how "binaries" might be weird, now that you mention it, given the namespace clash with "object code files" and so on. 22:26:20 "array of `binary` objects" seems clearer, but also wider. not sure which is best. was hoping vtnerd or moneroexamples would have a stronger opinion :) 22:26:56 If I can get some kind of semi-official comment to the effect that'd be better, I'd happily update the pull request. 22:27:08 Yeah, the binary objects thing is a good'un. 22:27:49 Of course, if we go with "`binary`s" or "`binary` objects", in either case, I'd say it should be altered to apply the same standard to other types mentioned. 22:27:57 Maybe it should just be changed to "binary objects" for now. 22:28:06 i'm pretty sure the only people who care about that document as of today are me, those 2 guys, and possibly now also you. 22:28:48 I care about the specification giving a good impression to people, because Monero seems quite cool to me. 22:28:56 totally agree. 22:29:18 i think it's best to have the type name in `code quotes`, so that leaves whether or not to append "objects" as the only question. 22:35:05 I think that's actually a better solution than the pluralization, really. 22:35:26 Hit me with an answer when youse guys decide, and I'll be happy to update my PR. 22:35:53 . . . or go ahead and merge it as is, and I'll be happy to submit another for the new standard. 22:35:56 . . . or whatever. 22:36:12 It'd be cool to get on a watchlist for having a commit in the Monero spec. 22:36:21 Well, okay, maybe not cool to get on a watchlist. 22:36:33 s/a w/another w/ perhaps 22:36:35 heh, keep in mind that's the spec for the lightwallet API, nothing to do with monero core itself. 22:36:41 right 22:36:58 still "subversive" or whatever 22:37:12 well, i will approve that, and it doesn't seem like the other 2 guys care much, so i think you might as well go ahead and update the PR :) 22:38:31 okay 22:39:04 I *might* get to it tonight, but it doesn't feel urgent at this moment, so I suppose tomorrow's okay if I don't get to it tonight. 22:39:20 (I'm running out of time before I have to use my voice for communication for three hours.) 22:39:27 "whenever" is definitely fine 22:39:35 (barbarians, requiring voice to communicate) 22:39:46 I need to practice my barbarian yawp. 22:39:54 could be worse. could be video. 22:39:57 true 22:40:02 That would be horrifying. 22:40:12 At least there's a decent chance we might be moving from Discord to Matrix. 22:40:25 It depends on whether we have any problems with more than two people on the voice chat. 22:40:53 Is there some other non-copyleft open source decentralized text-and-voice-chat thing I should consider? 22:41:19 All that comes to mind for these purposes is Matrix. 22:41:23 i don't know, i stick to text unless forced :) 22:41:26 yeah 22:41:33 The voice part of this wasn't my idea. 22:41:53 Mumble is under a BSD license 22:42:44 Jitsi is under apache 2.0 22:45:38 How's Mumble's text chat interface? 22:46:19 I haven't used it in a long time, but it's nothing like matrix iirc 22:46:28 I seem to recall (from years ago) that Mumble required setting up a server to use it, while Matrix seems to offer a server for those who don't want to do so. 22:46:30 It's okay if you have like a person or two without a mic 22:46:55 There are public servers you can join on mumble 22:47:07 . . . for a private channel? 22:47:08 Just kinda weird to pop on somebody's server and use it 22:47:30 But it doesn't take much to host. a $5/month vps would be plenty 22:48:00 is Matrix+Jitsi not good? i was thinking of trying it out someday 22:48:01 Yeah, I'm not really interested in becoming a sysadmin (even with low overhead) for this. 22:48:29 ndorf: I haven't tried it with Jitsi yet. I'm waiting for the time to start the meeting to roll around so we can test the 3+ people use case. 22:48:38 apotheon: FYI, https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7631 22:48:50 Jitsi is more like self hosted zoom 22:49:01 ndorf: thanks 22:50:11 Though jitsi does have a public service you can use without setting up your own server 22:52:13 My understanding is that Matrix only "natively" supports two-person voice because of WebRTC limitations and falls back to Jitsi automatically if you have more than two people. 22:52:57 I haven't used any of matrix's voice or video chat features 22:53:16 What's up y'all 22:54:14 Is a fluffydonkey[m] like an onion? 22:54:57 apotheon, "non-copyleft open source decentralized text-and-voice-chat thing" tox 22:55:23 Wait, you can self host Jitsi? 22:55:42 Yeah, I set it up in a VM a few months back 22:55:46 as2333: That doesn't have web and desktop clients with persistent channels, though -- does it? 22:56:13 as2333: Also . . . what tox client isn't copyleft? 22:56:15 apotheon, not sure - maybe not. Their channels infrastructure wasn't too good. 22:56:19 ah 22:56:48 I guess I wasn't clear enough about my requirements. 22:57:06 I really just wish I could use IRC for the text part. 22:58:42 I should look into how to self host Jitsi lol 23:01:54 Maybe I should see if I can find a way to turn that joke voice-over-IRC project into something worht using some day. 23:02:05 s/worht/worth/ 23:03:27 apotheon, hm double checking toxcore is copyleft apparently. Still, I'd rather use tox instead of matrix. 23:05:11 .balance 23:05:11 zach: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 23:05:11 zach: • Your balance is: 0.00143856 XMR (≈0.3 USD) 23:05:21 baller\ 23:05:30 You're telling ,e 23:05:36 .balance 23:05:36 ndorf: • Your balance is: 0.00446402 XMR (≈0.94 USD) 23:05:41 whoa 23:05:43 where did that come from 23:06:46 soaking, perhaps 23:10:51 You can buy bitcoin in cake wallet starting today 23:11:13 hmmm 23:11:32 What about BCH or ETH or SHIT? 23:11:58 And the convert to Monero in cake :) 23:12:13 right 23:18:32 how do I buy bitscorn 23:18:47 vikrantsCake[m] ^^ 23:19:04 bits corn is Monsanto's new cryptocurrency 23:19:10 Monsanto, not Monero 23:20:30 “Buy” button in bitcoin wallet when in Cale 23:20:41 Or cake 23:21:06 yes but where are the funds from? 23:21:26 I have no financial stuff on my phone at all 23:22:56 Maybe it's siphoning funds out of some politician's slush fund without his knowledge. 23:23:06 Maybe it just mines the stuff for you through other people's browsers. 23:23:18 I'm actually curious, now. 23:24:57 vikrantsCake[m]: inquiring minds want to know 23:25:13 help the clueless 23:31:46 I'm unclueful, I suppose. 23:36:26 #forever-cluless 23:38:17 https://old.reddit.com/r/Monerujo/comments/mbmeu6/update_monerujo_v1181_chadox1_making_subaddresses/ 23:39:05 I'm kinda amused that so many people share old.reddit.com links. 23:39:17 It really says something about the unpopularity of the newer interface(s). 23:40:09 I'm really surprised reddit still provides access to people who don't run their javashit malware. 23:41:45 apotheon: it certainly understates that popularity. if you have a reddit account, you can change its preferences so that (www.)reddit.com is the same as old.reddit.com. 23:41:51 unpopularity, i mean 23:42:33 IOW, the set of people who have old.reddit.com in their URL bar is a subset of all people who use old reddit. i'd guess a pretty small subset. 23:42:33 apotheon: I share oldredditttt to look cool 23:43:35 new reddit has dark mode 23:43:37 I share not-reddit-at-all to look not-reddit-cool mostly. 23:43:48 even if you have the old design set in preferences reddit likes to occasionally show you the new one due to a "bug" 23:44:04 interesting 23:44:09 don't think i've seen that one 23:44:10 I just went there to see if there was any info on cake wallet 23:44:32 don't normally go there much ne more 23:46:35 .faucet 23:46:36 Mochi102: How ma​ny digits is 8 23:46:39 1 23:46:40 Mochi102: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000024 XMR to Mochi102 [d60e57c7] Wait ≈23 hrs 53 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01215027 23:46:50 In what base ? 23:46:56 :D 23:47:16 all your base are belong to us 23:47:24 It's you... 23:47:38 .faucet 23:47:39 nioc: Snow White h​ad how many dwarfs 23:47:49 nioc: Oops you took too long. 23:47:52 sech1: who's us? you and me? 23:48:06 wut 23:48:31 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us 23:49:18 Almost as old as goatse.cx 23:49:44 there was some logo i saw that reminded me of that 23:49:45 I though IRC was for boomers, now I have to explain boomer memes 23:49:45 What's go- nevermind 23:50:15 hello.jpg 23:50:21 or giver.jpg 23:50:27 which one are you? 23:50:56 lemon party 23:51:33 yikes 23:52:15 would you wanna be that guy for the fame 23:52:47 giver? 23:53:23 sech1: I'm Generation X. 23:54:00 I'd guess louipc meant the goatse guy. 23:55:23 apotheon, there were two 23:55:35 hello.jpg and giver.jpg 23:56:02 oh wait it's not -pools :D 23:56:12 oh man! 23:56:16 lol goatse was promoting dogecoin for some time