00:14:25 how bad is this for the privacy nuts 00:14:32 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/mco341/update_cake_wallet_buy_bitcoins_with_creditdebit/ 00:14:53 it's all kyc yah 00:18:06 also what's this polarity dex 00:18:12 https://polarity.exchange/trade 00:18:14 any good? 00:18:34 seems like ass 00:18:42 moar web trash 01:02:24 Bill48105: Wallet isn't in that other channel now. 01:03:01 .faucet 01:03:05 apotheon: Of 7 or 9, which​ is larger 01:03:07 9 01:03:08 apotheon: @bonuspot tipped 0.00001 XMR to apotheon [478462fd] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01214023 01:03:14 works here, though 01:03:21 .faucet 01:03:24 Mochi103: Water boils at __ C,​ divided by itself 01:03:29 100 01:03:30 Mochi103: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. 01:03:36 1 01:03:39 oh man 01:03:46 should read 01:04:05 oh yeah it doesn't auto-join channels manually joined 01:41:50 .faucet 01:41:52 nioc: How m​any #'s are in 2405 01:41:57 4 01:41:57 nioc: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000044 XMR to nioc [288348f9] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01213583 01:42:53 ^^ Mochi103 that goes in your account since you made an uncharacteristic mistake 01:53:18 appreciate it nioc, thanks 01:53:28 You be my personal central bank. 01:54:03 thumbs up 02:08:30 LoL 03:21:14 nioc go brrrrr 03:22:48 mochi did tip me all his mooonero last week so I am keeping it safe for him 03:23:04 available whenever he requests it 03:24:03 .balance 03:24:03 nioc: • Your balance is: 0.0031356 XMR (≈0.69 USD) 03:24:12 w0w 03:25:09 tha's like 300 tx fees 03:26:37 now if only I could get my moooneros that tippero is holding for me 03:27:25 I could get something special for Monroe's 7th birthday 03:30:23 hm yeah 03:30:25 someday lol 04:37:28 Hi #monero! Am I making a mistake by investing $1000 in a CPU-focused rig which will be used to mine monero? The plan is to hold the XMR for years, maybe swap for other altcoins. I expect a crash in BTC within a year and therefore want a lot of altcoins ASAP. 04:39:00 You guys helped me earlier build a rig for about $1100, estimated 15000 H/s 04:39:12 Just haven't bought it yet 04:48:19 If it was me then I would just buy the monero if the only purpose of the rig is to mine 04:50:23 Have you looked at the historical charys of altcoins when btc goes down in price 04:50:34 They increase? 04:50:39 *charts 04:51:17 have you looked? 04:51:29 no 04:51:36 only have live experience 04:51:52 when my btc drops, other coins tend to rise. Maybe it's just for a short while 04:52:12 so you are basing your decision on no info 04:52:51 true that, I need to lurk more 04:53:02 There are short term fluctuations and there are bear markets 04:53:14 2 different things 04:53:47 When you said crash I think bear market 04:54:00 LVanon: Other cryptocurrencies tend to fluctuate somewhat in tune with BTC, probably because of people who get into BTC during upswings, and some of them get into "altcoins", then they all run away when BTC falters. 04:54:01 You will never step in the same river twice, but you will probably still get wet 04:54:31 spoiler: alerts get destroyed. 04:54:42 e.g. 2018, btc down ~80%, many alts down 95%+ 04:54:52 Oh, s/alerts/alts/ 04:54:59 err... yes. 04:54:59 took me a moment to figure out what you were saying. 04:55:03 damn 04:55:06 My typing is a mess. 04:55:21 maybe i should go to bed 04:55:24 That's not how I meant to type either of those, but I guess the message got across. 04:55:28 me too 04:55:31 I am in bed 04:55:38 ahead of the curve 04:55:43 LVanon, the obvious problem is that the long term price can't be predicted so it's impossible to tell whether mining(or buying) is going to a be a mistake or not. 04:55:50 ndorf: I think the PR is ready for you in the morning. 04:56:32 sweet. thanks again, appreciate the interest and contribution 04:56:41 glad to pitch in a bit 04:56:51 We take close to two years to mine the 5 xmr he could buy right now 04:56:59 as2333: Thanks for the input. I choose to believe 100% that it's a good longtime investment, at least BTC, ETH and XMR. 04:57:08 Whatever your mining estimate is now you will end up getting less than that 04:57:21 true that nioc 04:57:28 LVanon, also what nioc says 04:57:32 I'm pretty sure BTC won't self-destruct entirely in the next five years, at least. 04:57:59 so when it comes to mining I should put my focus on profitable GPU mining like eth? 04:58:13 It's profitable now that will change 04:58:35 Do not know what the ROI is for that so can't really tell you 04:58:36 It'll change as better CPUs/GPUs come out (depending on what mining you're doing). 04:59:24 I feel like the biggest reason to do small-time mining of cryptocurrencies is to "buy" with electricity (and thus only indirectly with fiat currency), instead of directly with fiat. 04:59:53 apotheon: Exactly, I pay 0.23 SEK per kWh atm, and 1 SEK is about ~8 USD 05:00:06 Basically the only ways to get some cryptocurrency are to work for it, to buy indirectly with fiat, or to buy directly with fiat. 05:00:57 LVanon: That's probably enough to get more out than you put in with Monero, I think, at least for a while, but as faster CPUs arrive that will change. 05:01:17 Indeed! 05:01:22 Even breaking even has its benefits, though, because of the fact you break even when you buy directly. 05:01:39 The downside is that buying directly gets you the Monero right away, while it's still cheaper. 05:01:48 (rather than more expensive at some later time) 05:01:59 So maybe I can buy a great CPU now, do some mining, keep the XMR, and eventually just buy the rest and make it a gaming computer etc 05:02:12 buy the rest of the computer parts * 05:02:24 The higher the price goes the more people mine the less Monero you actually obtain 05:02:40 If that's something you want to do with it, sure. Pay attention to your tax laws for mining, if you're doing it in a way that isn't ironclad-private, though. 05:02:47 Yes if you want a computer anyway it's a way of discounting it 05:03:05 exactly 05:03:15 apotheon nioc: Thank you. I will try to buy the parts you guys told me about a few days ago 05:03:31 Note that when I was talking about the electricity cost making it profitable, that doesn't count the cost of buying the parts for the mining rig in the first place. 05:03:44 I want to mine and keep the xmr for years and while mining also learn more about the technology. 05:03:54 Of course, hence upgrading it to a workstation/gaming computer later on 05:03:55 . . . so yeah, it's a rebate for the gaming computer, where the rebate is paid in Monero. 05:04:42 In the US, tax laws for mining are kinda sucky. You get taxed for income when mining, then get taxed capital gains if you later sell it for fiat currency. 05:05:07 I thank you all for respecting me when my questions can easily be answered by google but I do not want to make a mistake. I know some of you feel like I am making a mistake, but with my electricity prices and the plan to later upgrade it makes me believe it is not a mistake. Also my 100% belief in XMR/crypto in the long run 05:05:19 apotheon: I plan on telling nobody about my mining business, everything offline 05:05:43 Yeah, you'll probably want to look into the privacy needs of the miner's network activity, too. 05:06:14 I don't know enough about the state of the art to give you any advice about how to handle that part. My naïve guess would be that you could use Tor somehow. 05:06:28 . . . but I could easily be mistaken about that making any sense. 05:07:18 tor? for mining? the IP-address I will be mining from is not going to be an issue. And the XMR will be stored in an offline wallet so it will only get deposited, not moved around 05:07:32 I am not interested in turning it into fiat somehow anytime in the coming years 05:31:32 All you are 'fighting' for is e-penis of a guy you never met, that doesn't even have common decency to pay you for your time. 05:31:32 Do you think they care about Monero, or privacy or anything other than money? 06:21:10 What's up with all the XMR related posts in r/cryptocurrencies today? 06:21:29 A few more days of this kind of positive coverage and we'll be 🚀🚀 11:28:49 Word of guys running Monero community should be BELIEVED. Why would anyone that stole money and laughed at the losers that took the bait ever have a reason to lie to you? www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d5yt5/what_fluffypony_just_did_is_not_ok/ 13:00:25 oooh i love sitting through a presentation by someone else for an idea I proposed years ago 13:29:49 i need to just walk away from this. 13:32:47 ? 13:33:25 my exiting career. im just lamenting and wining. 13:34:22 Good typo. One can see it was whining or winning, depending on the mood :) 13:34:47 Even whinnying if you want to be horsing around. 13:35:27 I didn't know you have such a colorful sense of humor moneromooo. 13:36:30 it was whining 13:38:00 wow two typos in there. my existing career. although, exiting may be a bit of a slip 13:38:20 "exciting stuff" "this is interesting" 13:38:22 oh fuck off 13:38:30 Oh, I thought that was actually you saying you were getting out of there :D 13:39:03 its in its death throes 13:48:27 Looks like she'd even be able to play my flute: https://youtu.be/q1Oo9cwouTE?t=172 13:49:20 Being in Asia, I didn't expect it to be that big. 13:49:35 oh damn... no pools 13:49:36 lol 13:49:43 sorry 13:55:20 haha wtf 14:11:21 gingeropolous: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyyPf4XXcAAquy-.jpg:large 14:11:49 hehehe 14:43:38 nioc: René Des-cars? 14:55:19 apotheon: :D 15:03:24 so what was your big idea gingeropolous? 15:05:20 I'm curious about this mysterious (to me) career. 15:06:25 Given the "sitting through a presentation by someone else for an idea I proposed years ago" situation, I might've just walked out. That's insulting. 15:06:44 I've also had something like it happen to me. 15:07:22 yeah, same 15:07:28 The aftermath of raising the question of why nobody liked the idea when I brought it up is what makes me think that these days I'd just walk out rather than point out the discrepancies. 15:34:58 hard to walk out of a zoom meeting 15:41:35 any reccomendations of good decentralized exchanges to exchange monero for bitcoin or ltc 15:47:58 bisq is one 15:53:26 jimmyyukka[m]: afaik you can do it in the bread wallet app now 15:53:31 no, cake wallet 15:54:53 Is there a Bread wallet? 15:56:37 it's the marie antoinette edition 15:56:55 yes, but it doesn't support XMR. Please feel free to reach out to them and beg them to add it. :) 15:59:56 ... but if they add it, I still wouldn't recommend it since it has Google trackers in it: https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/com.breadwallet/latest/ 16:00:35 moneromooo: moneromooo thanks for the headsup on bisq downloading now 16:00:57 rupee[m]: lovely 16:01:57 rupee[m]: I think I'd rather it didn't support Monero, then. 16:03:53 What are the downsides of using Tor or an I2P gateway for mining? 16:07:34 Latency 16:08:26 The likelihood of you mining invalid shares goes up, but your results may vary (I've heard of people mining via Tor with no issues) 16:18:07 nc1236[m]: Why does that likelihood increase? 16:18:20 Is it because of the latency? 16:18:35 . . . or was that a separate issue from the latency you mentioned? 16:23:26 latency is all 16:23:41 your shares may arrive later than some other successful miner 16:23:50 so you lose out on the block you would have mined 16:24:18 gotcha 16:24:28 Thanks. 16:34:49 wen tippero 16:35:09 fluffypony: ^^ 16:35:34 https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=wen 16:35:43 I'm confused. 16:35:51 nioc: sorry been running around, I've got a spreadsheet going now - just ping me if you want to withdraw and I'll do it manually 16:36:11 ok thx :) 16:53:45 nioc takin his .0001 all the way to the bank! 18:14:31 spam incoming 18:14:50 Dear fireice_uk. I must strongly object to you reporting our great Monro community members to Freenode for racism AND getting people K-lined as a result! i.imgur.com/R0T9GGY.png THEY ARE NOT NEO-NAZI!!! THEY ARE JUST SAYING NEO-NAZI THINGS!! i.imgur.com/JYu44As.png I know this because they have been nice to me and made me their Magical Crypto Friend! If you don't cease immediately I shall throw another tantrum! 18:14:50 Monero Community Member PS. You are interrupting my session of masturbation to The Man in the High Castle. 18:22:45 hello everyone 18:22:52 is this matrix room also bridged to IRC? 18:27:24 Yes, but you probably need to register your nick for IRC folks to see you 18:27:25 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Guide:-How-to-use-Matrix-to-participate-in-IRC-rooms 18:28:37 I see it. 18:29:31 ah, alright 18:30:29 rupee[m]: We already see his messages 18:30:40 ok, I was wrong 21:34:10 whats the speed for each priority? 21:34:11 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/825120467768705060/unknown.png 21:35:45 It doesn't matter now, transaction will be mined in the next block because blocks aren't full 21:37:43 so i can just use the 0.2x fee 21:37:56 and that will be the same speed as the 200x fee 21:42:52 do nodes broadcast their RPC ports at all in their p2p conversations? 21:43:08 might I be able to gather that info in a project like this? https://github.com/cdiv1e12/py-levin 21:43:28 If you ask it to (--public-rpc IIRC). 21:44:03 what I mean to say is, can I use py-levin to ask a remote node via p2p what it's RPC port is? 21:44:12 or just levin in general I guess 21:44:58 the peer_retriever.py script returns IPs and p2p ports - I'm trying to see if I can get RPC ports instead 21:45:04 just not sure if p2p exchanges that info 21:46:32 (trying to build a scraper to get publicly available full nodes w/ RPC exposed) 21:46:52 (so I can populate on https://monero.fail) 21:51:31 so i can just use the 0.2x fee 21:51:31 and that will be the same speed as the 200x fee 21:51:35 Yes