00:13:54 <DisBotXMR> <TrooperZ> oh ok
00:14:05 <DisBotXMR> <TrooperZ> and can u send to sub addresses on my monero?
04:46:54 <biscuitsboars[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrxKAlqE3kE
04:46:54 <biscuitsboars[m]> 17:24
04:47:02 <biscuitsboars[m]> Is that true
04:47:28 <biscuitsboars[m]> Check 17:24
04:50:32 <Bill48105> the nsa cracking monero part? or that the scammers are demanding moneri
04:50:32 <Quotes> NSA? Morono protects me.
04:50:37 <Bill48105> lol
04:51:46 <PurpleBerries> I heard somebody say something about, hmm I think it was hmmm, ok I just through some shit out there
04:53:00 <Bill48105> .epoch 1616721530
04:53:00 <Wallet> Bill48105: 99250.12999296188 (≈1 day 3 hrs 34 min 10.13 sec)
04:53:27 <Bill48105> figure it might be true. might not be true. tough thing to actually confirm eh
04:53:33 <PurpleBerries> yes they offered a 10% discount if paid in monero
04:55:05 <PurpleBerries> and yes the us govt paid a relatively small amount of money for I believe cyphertrace to "crack monero" not the ns a but irs and another entity
04:56:13 <PurpleBerries> cyphertrace said they could track monero but they never disclosed anything and they were interviewed by monero people and they disclosed nothing
04:56:39 <PurpleBerries> seems that they use metadata to come up with some type of "score"
04:58:56 <PurpleBerries> think the other was homeland security
05:00:25 <PurpleBerries> and if the ns a could track it do you think they would let anybody know?
05:00:59 <PurpleBerries> so how does this idiot know that the ns a knows how to track it
05:02:10 <PurpleBerries> why u do this when imma goin to sleep
05:02:13 <PurpleBerries> gn
05:02:45 <Bill48105> hardly cracked then eh
05:02:46 <Bill48105> gn
05:03:10 <PurpleBerries> no but I may have cracked :)
05:05:22 <biscuitsboars[m]> Thanks is there any article or video related to that I know it wont prove if its cracked or not but just need info
05:05:24 <Bill48105> lol
05:05:43 <Bill48105> butt cracked maybe
05:06:46 <rupee[m]> <biscuitsboars[m] "Thanks is there any article or v"> https://www.monerooutreach.org/breaking-monero/
05:07:17 <rupee[m]> sort of related
05:10:07 <rupee[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5rtd3md11g
06:19:37 <biscuitsboars[m]> rupee: 🤝
08:04:52 <wylsuiqgvnns> Did you know that all witdraw-buyer-seller-depoist chains are trackable in Monero? No? You should have read Breaking Monero. How many people are you endangering with your 'privacy' coin?
08:10:25 <Mumuks[m]> <rupee[m] "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v="> What's the tldw?
11:30:31 <ot7hanabi> hello. When closing monerod with openrc the program does something weird and writes a lot of what seems to be blockchain data in my var dir. It filled up my entire / partition but thankfully I noticed quickly. Is this intended behaviour?
11:33:26 <moneromooo> Rather unclear. Please rephrase and/or give more info.
11:34:11 <moneromooo> It is supposed to fill up your disk with ~ 100 GB, in ~/.bitmonero (or what you give as --data-dir). Though not after closing.
11:40:46 <ot7hanabi> yeah I understand, Im caught up on the blockchain too. however, whenever I run sudo rc-service monerod stop it it randomly outputs about 20GiB(the amount I have left in my / partition) of data into my /var folder
11:41:08 <ot7hanabi> the fire hierarchy looks the same as the one in ~/.bitmonero so I guess its blockchain data
11:41:16 <moneromooo> Do you have --data-dir to somewhere there ?
11:41:41 <moneromooo> (in /var)
11:42:12 <ot7hanabi> #!/usr/bin/openrc-run
11:42:14 <ot7hanabi> command=/usr/bin/monerod
11:42:16 <ot7hanabi> command_args="--config-file /etc/monerod.conf --detach --check-updates disabled --max-concurrency 2"
11:42:18 <ot7hanabi> pidfile=/run/monero/monerod.pid
11:42:20 <ot7hanabi> name="/etc/init.d/monerod"
11:42:22 <ot7hanabi> description="Monero Full Node"
11:42:31 <ot7hanabi> I havent set used the --data-dir flag anywhere
11:42:42 <ot7hanabi> I just go with the defaults
11:42:42 <moneromooo> Is there a --data-dir in /etc/monerod.conf ?
11:42:59 <ot7hanabi> OH
11:43:03 <ot7hanabi> haha... whoops...
11:43:07 <ot7hanabi> ._.
11:43:09 <ot7hanabi> thank you
11:43:38 <ot7hanabi> in /etc/monerod.conf "data-dir=/var/lib/monero". Im going to fix that now, thanks
11:44:04 <moneromooo> Odd it triggers on stop and not start, but hey, I'll assume it just looks that way.
11:44:33 <moneromooo> You'll need ~100 GB for a complete chain, or ~35 GB for a pruned one.
11:45:46 <ot7hanabi> mhm, my ~/.bitmoner/lmdb/data.mdb file in 99.1 GiB rn
12:30:47 <vikrantsCake[m]> https://www.joinclubhouse.com/event/M1wVZRkv
12:30:50 <vikrantsCake[m]> Today at 1pm eastern
13:52:00 <enpkrclnqyz> Howard, you know why all the 'Titanic intelligence Saviour of NASA' posts stopped last year? They know you are an embarrassment. Your arse didn't learn anything new in 25 years, and that includes C++. They just can't say it to your face.
14:00:25 <Rog3r> Hi!
14:01:33 <moneromooo> hi
14:31:45 <Moneroship[m]> hey guys i was going to play some monero poker if anyone wants to join! :D
14:31:45 <Moneroship[m]> xmr.poker
14:31:45 <Moneroship[m]> its like 6$ minimum buy in, i was goin in with 10$
15:30:13 <midipoet> Moneroship[m]: ordinarily I would be up for it, but just not home at the moment....
15:30:38 <Moneroship[m]> ah maybe another day :P
16:01:13 <endogenic> wow xmr poker - excellent that this exists. how long has it been around?
16:02:36 <moneromooo> I've seen the owner link it like a week ago. The wording implied it was just out IIRC.
16:05:18 <endogenic> ah, nice. i bet i know a few community members who are already on there lol
16:05:40 <endogenic> *feeds mooo some turnips*
16:06:17 * moneromooo munches lazily
16:07:22 <endogenic> 'What can you give cattle as a treat?' 'Slices of apples, potatoes, carrots, turnip—dandelion leaves, fireweed, melancholy thistle leaves, birch leaves, elder leaves, all clover types (especially in bloom), cabbage and cauliflower leaves, and all sorts of root vegetable tops, molasses. All these were highly valued by the cows I have known.'
16:16:32 <apotheon> endogenic: I don't see turnips in that list -- only turnip-dandelion leaves.
16:16:40 <apotheon> (whatever that means)
16:17:12 <endogenic> nuu that is an em-dash, for punctuation
16:17:14 <endogenic> :)
16:17:41 <endogenic> or perhaps a hint that the next enhancement of dandelion++ can be named turnip-dandelion++
16:17:54 <endogenic> we'll just keep adding on names of flora
16:18:15 <moneromooo> Theoretical Univeral Research In Privacy.
16:18:23 <moneromooo> Oh crap. Missing a N.
16:18:27 <endogenic> (turnip-dandelion++)^2
16:18:36 <endogenic> LOL moo
16:18:42 <endogenic> the n is .. silent?
16:18:51 <moneromooo> Network
16:18:55 <Mochi103> Are we making a salad?
16:18:59 <moneromooo> A word salad.
16:19:33 <endogenic> They asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.
16:19:44 <Mochi103> hehehe
16:20:08 <moneromooo> Theoretically, I have a physical degree.
16:20:19 <Mochi103> Sounds like you should be a professor at an American university endogenic
16:20:37 <endogenic> if i get a physics degree from an American university does that mean i have degrees of freedom?
16:21:00 <Mochi103> you're on a role today
16:21:22 <endogenic> i blame astrology
16:21:57 <apotheon> endogenic: I guess the em-dash wasn't as obvious in my monospace IRC font.
16:22:18 <endogenic> you gotta read everything in utf code... that's how the real hackers do it
16:23:23 <apotheon> Damn.  I guess I'm not a "real hacker", then.  I just have some UTF8 sprinkled on my monospace.
16:23:54 <apotheon> moneromooo: Theorietical Universal Research, Now In Privacy™
16:24:02 <endogenic> you probably dont even use a thinkpad
16:24:12 <apotheon> I do!
16:24:24 <endogenic> well at least you're a real businessman :P
16:25:03 <apotheon> I have a T60, an X60, a T500, a T510, a T450s, and a T14, and that's just the ThinkPads updated to the latest OS release.
16:25:15 <apotheon> I don't think businessmen use OpenBSD.
16:25:49 <endogenic> wow legit
16:25:57 <endogenic> you need this meme in your life then
16:26:01 <endogenic> https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/085/385/d33.png
16:26:50 <endogenic> 'i bet he doesnt even read irc in utf codes'
16:27:52 <apotheon> ogawd, I . . . just don't even W520
16:28:11 <apotheon> no W ThinkPads for me
16:28:46 <apotheon> It doesn't fit in backpacks.
16:29:14 <apotheon> Sorry to disappoint.  This guy isn't me.
16:29:22 <endogenic> Stallman save me
16:30:09 <apotheon> no thank you
16:30:30 <apotheon> I was a non-fan before it was popular!
16:30:44 <apotheon> . . . or something.
16:30:48 <apotheon> ™
16:30:54 <endogenic> …
16:32:00 <apotheon> The ellpsis point character is often difficult to recognize at a glance.  It annoys me that way.
16:32:22 <apotheon> . . . and it takes at least as many keypresses as just typing them out.
16:32:44 <apotheon> I'm not sure I get the "point".
16:38:52 <entry1[m]> "I should have taken the X201 to the party, not the W520"
16:46:02 <endogenic> hate to break it to you apotheon but you sound like a real businessman to me
16:46:58 <apotheon> You don't know me well, I guess.
16:48:30 <endogenic> are you a complex businessman?
16:50:31 <moneromooo> Only imaginary.
16:50:40 <apotheon> Complex?
16:50:48 <apotheon> I don't even have a business.
16:51:01 <moneromooo> You have no business here, apotheon.
16:51:04 <moneromooo> GET OUT.
16:51:05 <endogenic> haha
16:51:06 <apotheon> That may be true.
16:51:17 <endogenic> we banish you to the surreal realm
16:51:29 <moneromooo> Well, he was irrational.
16:53:56 <endogenic> ferox_thinkpad: do i have a meme for you
16:55:29 <apotheon> It turns out there's a bandwidth conflict between this channel and another I'm in.  (Not really, but I got distracted from rejoining.)
17:00:16 <ferox_thinkpad> endogenic
17:00:19 <ferox_thinkpad> whats up bro
17:19:48 <apotheon> What's the general feeling here about Trezor for hardware wallets?
17:23:28 <gingeropolous> i dont understand hardware wallets
17:23:46 <gingeropolous> so thats my feeling
17:26:03 <ferox_thinkpad> what do you understand
17:33:47 <PurpleBerries> I believe gingeropolous understands bananas
17:38:56 <rottenwheel> New El Monero episode with ArticMine: https://anchor.fm/elmonero/episodes/13-Canarios-con-ArticMine-etl1oc, https://twitter.com/elmonero_/status/1375857535702421510
17:39:29 <gingeropolous> i see there usecase for people on the move i guess
17:42:12 <apotheon> I kinda get the impression the point is to be something like a second authentication factor.
17:42:23 <apotheon> (for many users)
17:45:40 <PurpleBerries> AIUI no need to concern yourself with using a compromised device as keys are held by the HW wallet
17:47:42 <apotheon> I guess there isn't any particular concern about Trezor, then.
17:58:25 <XeN[m]> Are there any tutorials on how to setup i2pd with monerod ? been looking and havent found much.
18:03:34 <apotheon> I'd be interested in the i2pd setup, too.
18:16:48 <gingeropolous> there should be something in anonymity networks.md
18:17:34 <gingeropolous> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/docs/ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md
18:27:41 <XeN[m]> ty
18:38:48 <ferretinjapan> hey guys, having some trouble building jsonify from the examples repository, using a pretty fresh ubuntu 20.04, clean home dir, and clean pulls from the monero and moneroexamples/jsonifymonerotx heres a paste of the build output https://0bin.net/paste/qashTOzo#h98ijjVow3N-8NDdcxia3RqS8B/bYr7jX51bt5XioXr maybe the header for portable_storage_template_helper.h has changed?
18:39:27 <ferretinjapan> if so, is there any workaround?
18:40:18 <ferretinjapan> also not sure if this is the place to ask, or whether this'd fall in #monero-dev's court....
18:40:51 <ferretinjapan> I'll go ask there soon if noone pipes up here... :)
18:43:38 <louipc>  sounds like dev question
18:44:20 <ferretinjapan> I think so too, since it uses the monero repo, but thought I'd try here firtst in case I'm just being an idiot
18:44:27 <moneromooo> Unreadable (without js).
18:45:36 <louipc> thats some c++ postprocessor error or something
18:47:10 <ferretinjapan> moneromooo, https://pastebin.com/i3q8RRig
18:48:05 <moneromooo> Will read in some unknown amount of time, fucking cloudflare blocking pastebin today.
18:48:17 <ferretinjapan> lol, goddamn
18:50:05 <ferretinjapan> will try this one then... https://pastesite.org/view/85ddd391
18:50:19 <ferretinjapan> surely one of them will work :)
18:50:54 <moneromooo> Ah, right. The prototype changed, the type is differnet. THe change's easy, gimme a min, I made the same change somewhere alreayd.
18:51:05 <ferretinjapan> nice
18:51:51 <moneromooo> Something like this: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3753cb2e/
18:52:29 <moneromooo> (basically an intermediate slice_buffer is needed)
19:23:34 <ferretinjapan> shoehorned/jerryrigged the edits as best I could and looks to be throwing up another error. https://pastesite.org/view/6f78599a the snippet at the bottom is the new code I added/edited.
19:24:13 <moneromooo> link against wallet-crypto (or similar name).
19:25:22 <moneromooo> Probably in CMakeLists.txt (there might several with that name, add where other libs are listed)
20:07:04 <ferretinjapan> pretty sure I found the file in question monero/build/release/src/crypto/wallet/libwallet-crypto.a , I added this line to build/scr/xmregcore/CMakeFiles/xrmegcore_example.dir/link.txt and build.make respectively
20:07:16 <ferretinjapan> still no dice though.
20:07:37 <ferretinjapan> and I might have to call it a night there as its getting late sadly...
20:18:57 <ferretinjapan> moneromooo, found it, I had to also edit the same files (make identical edits) to link.txt and build.make in build/CMakeFiles/jsonifyxmrtx.dir/
20:44:40 <zmlvikzljhp> Do you think that you are too intelligent to be in a cult? Then I would encourage you to look into how any other cult works. They aren't populated by stupid people. Aum Shinrikyo was almost exclusively university professors and graduates. For Pete's sake - they had the know-how and means to make WMDs.
20:44:40 <zmlvikzljhp> As to Monero, I would encourage you to look at Jonestown mass-suicide. You know why Jones killed them all? Because he was afraid he is loosing control over them. People like that will burn everything around them rather than give up control. Being smart doesn't make you immune to being in a cult. This is the most valuable lesson Monero taught me.
20:45:34 <louipc> does graduating university make someone intelligent now?
20:51:09 <Mochi103> Did you guys convince me to join a cult without me knowing?
20:59:54 <moneromooo> Must be, with the constant sermon repetitions.
21:00:42 <moneromooo> I assume zmlvikzljhp was of one these. You can tell just with the join/part.
21:06:02 <apotheon> Yeah, that message has been repeated here word-for-word by other lettersoup usernames.
21:06:20 <apotheon> . . . which just appear, send, and disappear, in under a minute.
21:06:45 <apotheon> (or at least as close to word-for-word as I recall)
21:07:29 <moneromooo> Not always the same, since my ignore list sometimes missed them at first.
21:07:43 <apotheon> I've seen those two messages specifically before.
21:08:12 <apotheon> I clearly recall the cult/college/Jonestown stuff before today.
21:09:06 <apotheon> . . . but yeah, it's possible there's a punctuation change or an occasional variation of a word or something like that.  I don't have eidetic memory.
21:09:36 <apotheon> . . . and I think eidetic memory is usually shorter-term than these messages' repeats.
21:13:01 <marata> hello
21:14:15 <marata> my monero is crashing on android phone and when i inserted gdb ./monerod even termux crashed
21:14:22 <marata> any help
21:14:47 <marata> how to bt when even termux crash
21:15:20 <apotheon> What is "bt"?
21:15:59 <marata> bt is to check stack with gdb
21:16:23 <apotheon> Oh, you mean backtrace.
21:17:18 <moneromooo> Do you get a core file ?
21:30:22 <marata> no
21:30:43 <marata> just termux windows close
21:30:43 <Quotes> fuck windows, use linux!
21:30:58 <marata> is termux on android phone...
21:32:02 <moneromooo> Do you have dmesg, or a syslog log ?
21:32:22 <marata> on android phone how?
21:33:01 <moneromooo> I'll take that as a no.
21:33:40 <moneromooo> Maybe you can redirect gdb to a file. With some luck you get some output before the terminal dies.
21:33:49 <moneromooo> You'll have to drive it blind though.
21:34:06 <marata> i do set logging on gdb
21:34:13 <moneromooo> Oh, good idea.
21:34:15 <marata> but txt file has nothing....
21:34:35 <moneromooo> OK, then try running monerod with --log-level 4, see what the last logs are.
21:34:37 <marata> only new lwwp 222222
21:34:44 <moneromooo> It will be very spammy though.
21:46:08 <marata> i have no output on monerod logs
21:46:45 <marata> how to keep it on gdb ?
21:47:29 <moneromooo> No logs means gdb dies on startup. Run monerod aloine.
21:48:00 <marata> i did it and the same happen no output
21:48:21 <moneromooo> OK, dunno then, sorry.
21:48:37 <moneromooo> Maybe: ldd monerod
21:48:48 <moneromooo> Maybe it's missing some lib and the OS barfs.
21:49:27 <marata> wait monerod is working but i tried to play a bit and start to mine.
21:49:44 <marata> when mining is starting after 4-5 seconds everything blows
21:49:45 <moneromooo> It's starting, but you get no logs with --log-level 4 ?
21:50:38 <marata> yes no logs
21:52:39 <moneromooo> Does it continue working if you don't mine ?
21:52:44 <marata> yes
21:53:13 <moneromooo> So it might either not have enough memory and gets killed by the OS, or it mining might use instructions your arch does not support.
21:53:33 <marata> start_mining from cli
21:53:38 <marata> nothing special
21:53:38 <moneromooo> Mining on a (likely) phone is not really efficient anyway, yo uprobably don';t want to do it.
21:53:58 <marata> was working before some 3-4 months
21:54:05 <moneromooo> No logs with lv 4 is fishy though. I'll asume user error here.
21:54:16 <marata> smth changed
21:54:30 <moneromooo> You could try running with that env var: MONERO_USE_SOFTWARE_AES=1
21:54:36 <moneromooo> It'll be even slower though.
21:54:54 <moneromooo> Come to think of it I'm not even sure randomx honours that var...
21:55:01 <marata> MONERO_USE_SOFTWARE_AES=1 ./monerod
21:55:06 <moneromooo> yes
21:58:59 <moneromooo> It doesn't. Nevermind that suggestion.
22:00:38 <moneromooo> Then you could try running with: MONERO_RANDOMX_UMASK=65535
22:00:39 <marata> yes the same
22:00:47 <marata> ok i try this too
22:08:53 <marata> worked
22:08:59 <marata> no crash
22:09:15 <marata> what this var do
22:09:41 <moneromooo> It disables some bits and pieces, like JIT or HW AES.
22:09:54 <moneromooo> Try: MONERO_RANDOMX_UMASK=1
22:10:01 <moneromooo> Sorry:
22:10:02 <moneromooo> Try: MONERO_RANDOMX_UMASK=2
22:10:08 <marata> ok
22:10:08 <moneromooo> This disables hw AES.
22:10:32 <moneromooo> If it still crashes, try with: MONERO_RANDOMX_UMASK=8 (which disables JIT).
22:12:48 <marata> yes with 2 crashes
22:13:34 <moneromooo> Try 32 and 64 then.
22:13:43 <moneromooo> Unlikely, these are Intel things, but you never know.
22:15:30 <marata> no with 8 didnt crash
22:16:06 <marata> lets try with 32 and 64 or is no need
22:19:11 <moneromooo> Without  JIT will be way slower, and it's probably already slow.
22:19:17 <moneromooo> So... just don't mine there.
22:20:32 <marata> =32 means jit off too
22:23:04 <moneromooo> 32 is SSE3, intel insn set.
22:23:14 <moneromooo> So for android, it typically would not change a thing.
22:24:21 <marata> i check it on other android and same issue
22:24:26 <marata> so is for all androidss
22:24:46 <marata> but before some months was wokring
22:25:02 <moneromooo> How many months ? Like a year and a half ?
22:25:38 <marata> no 6months i believe
22:27:06 <marata> what code change u believe that did this
22:27:55 <moneromooo> I don't know.
22:28:10 <moneromooo> Randomx came in like 1.5 years ago or so.