00:04:16 A person responsible for inspecting the portion of the military used for protection 00:07:10 something along those lines... 00:07:27 Hi. What part of New England? 00:27:07 mandelbrot42[m]: massachusetts 01:01:00 moneromooo: Server Side Includes 01:01:43 Can blockchain provide a solution for securing our personal identity and data? Can we have a self-sovereign identity (SSI) where we are in full control over how our data is used? Tune in as we explore the future of identity in the world of blockchain 01:01:51 https://medium.com/51nodes/self-sovereign-identity-ssi-as-building-block-of-the-crypto-economy-6fba55524e50 01:02:25 i kinda like that idea. cut out the govt middleman for 'identity' 01:09:50 yeah 'identity' in scare quotes 01:09:55 what's meant is surveillance 02:17:45 Just recived my first ever transaction on monero 02:17:58 I been looking at this crypto for a while now,I really love it 02:26:29 it's the most crypto in crypto 02:27:05 it's simple but complex, proving very good at being digital cash 03:07:21 Yep, it actually serves its purpose and is not for prying outside eyes. I can't wait for XMR to go up so I can get my hands on these NFTs! /s 05:03:02 For a community that prides itself on manipulating people, you can't manage a single guy that spends most of his time in his underpants :D 07:06:08 it's cool right 07:06:37 now also think about nobody could track the monero blockchain to see you receive that 07:06:40 how cool is that 07:06:58 global, private financial transactions infrastructure. 07:50:35 Monero will never replace bitcoin 07:51:38 And it seems counterproductive to be always attacking bitcoin. BTC will be the premier institutional store of value, who cares about fungibility in that case - they will buy it from regulated entities and it will all be above board. 07:52:02 But Bitcoin has lost the narrative of the cypherpunk free world currency 07:54:03 Having a panopticoin provides a place for authoritarian govts to relieve pressure if they squeeze privacy preserving cryptocuurencies. 07:54:26 They can show there is an alternative, and most people will go there and not complain too much, or not at all. 07:54:41 people won't buy BTC to *use* it 07:54:57 They might invest in it - much like an index fund or Gold or something 07:55:31 getting it KYC'ed off of Coinbase and maybe storing it in a cold wallet if they are so savvy... 07:56:05 But you have the other camp, the "none of my BTC are KYC'ed" camp - but those are getting more and more frustrated - just look at Matt Odell lately 08:27:50

"BTC will be the premier institutional store of value" 08:27:52 Always? 08:28:24 like how shells and rocks were a premier store of value? 08:28:55 and continued to stay a premier store of value. 08:29:33 forever. 08:33:05 Making predictions is hard. Especially about the future. 08:33:29 But I don't see anything in the medium term displacing it. 08:33:57 BTC is such a bad crypto, I am sad its so used 08:34:23 * BTC is such a bad crypto by modern standards, I am sad its so used 08:43:10

I do. 08:43:36 which would be? 08:43:45 KLEROS OF COURSE 08:43:48 jk 08:52:08 PNK[m]: go on - elaborate 08:54:51 I would argue that humans move towards the best form of money. rocks/shells/beads , rai stones, clay tablets, precious metals/gold, bitcoin 08:55:12 usually the steps in between each system took a long time 08:55:44 we live in a unprecedented age of growth technology/information wise 08:56:06 it would not surprise me that what we consider the best form of money would also grow 08:56:36 at a fast rate 08:57:12 gold is a store of value and xmr will have a lower inflation rate than gold 08:59:50 so you believe Bitcoin might get replacetd by Monero? in the Institutional Store Of Value case? 09:00:08 did they really use stones and shells as currency? wouldn't you need a scarse resource for that? 09:01:01 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_money 09:02:17

I could be wrong but it is my bet that people want their finances private and that includes institutions. 09:04:47 I think you are a bit optimistic regarding the money pouring into BTC for "investment"/Store-of-value properties, would be heading into an opaque ledger. I hope you are right tho :D 09:06:24 *opaque to outside observers 09:06:37 I'm a monero fan but I don't think we will see institutional money going into xmr for a long time. 09:07:45 They are concerned about regulations (including possible future regulations) and it's not like governments are becoming more friendly towards privacy technology over time. 09:07:59 facebook has billions of "customers". how can anyone in their right mind think that people care about privacy? 09:08:11 But we'll see 09:21:16 sethsimmons: what is the address to your btc fungibility graveyard? 09:21:58 ah https://sethsimmons.me/posts/fungibility-graveyard/ 09:22:48 facebook's billions of users aren't customers - they haven't paid for any service 09:23:04 the advertisers and data miners are the actual paying customers 09:23:44 that's why i put it in quotes ... 09:23:59 So you can be quoted ? 09:24:24 no 09:24:43 So you can't be quoted ? 09:25:25 maby 09:25:51 Anyone knows whether the viabtc pool is good/iffy/scammy ? 09:29:54 first time I hear of it 09:30:15 went there and first thing it greeted me with was cloud mining ad :D 09:30:58 I mean it's #6 Bitcoin pool, so their XMR pool is probably legit too 09:31:55 nioc did imply it might be iffy, without elaborating, so I'm curious. 09:33:19 Advertising cloud mining is iffy already 10:21:23 more or less iffy than avertising NordVPN? 10:33:56 moneromooo: they seem to be involved in cloud mining 10:34:13 probably not a good pool to recommend to small miners 10:38:26 Got it. 10:41:36 Slush pool may be a better recommendation, oldest pool basically and essentially same team as Trezor 10:41:57 ^ moneromooo 10:44:10 We don't need them 10:44:33 The important stuff is being able to transact privately,without asking for permission from anyone. 10:44:44 Bankers can go suck on a big one.. 10:46:31 Not on the list I saw though. Not sure I want to bother listing the < 0.1% pools :D 10:47:03 Except mine later I guess. 10:47:37 I mean some of the names on the list I'd never heard before even so... I'm not going to vet, just remove obvious shit like minergate. 10:52:50 moneromooo: Sorry, thought we were talking about BTC pools :p 10:53:33 Oh, sorry for the confusion :) 10:56:21 I should read more properly :p 11:41:13 how the hell is it easier to buy NFTs than to buy XMR, shit 11:56:25 Probably because some people made fancy looking easy to use websites for it :) 12:05:10 where can i exchange coins 12:05:17 for example bitcoin against monero 12:05:20 or any other crypto 12:08:07 Various centralized exchanges like binance, kraken, poloniex. Decentralized ones like bisq. Localmonero to deal with someone else. 12:09:01 There are also quick one shot exchanges like... er..... can't remember a name. One's called almost shapeshift. 12:35:23 thx 12:35:53 isn't it built into Cake wallet now, too? 12:36:23 u can sign in annonymously on bisq? 12:36:26 which cryptos has it? 12:37:57 bisq is a nightmare to use compared to a centralized exchange. And it requires you to hold some bitcoin as collateral in order to use it 12:47:16 thats no problem 12:47:18 the bitcoin 12:47:37 There are multiple psychological hooks to keep Monero community members in place. Here is one: 12:47:38 https://vimeo.com/272691039 12:47:38 Notice that Scientologists don't stand on street corners saying "Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Xenu?" 12:47:38 Put yourself instead in the shoes of someone who spent $10,000 and 2-3 years of their life on their courses 12:47:38 And you get a bunch of bad sci-fi - you have two choices: 12:47:38 - either swallow a very bitter pill that you wasted a pile of money and a portion of your life 12:47:38 - or swallow the sci-fi, and from that point on, you will swallow _anything_ they tell you. 12:47:38 In the cult trade that's called "insider doctrine". 12:47:39 Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour of NASA, Howard Chu? 12:47:39 https://medium.com/@crypto_ryo/senior-nasa-engineer-calls-out-howard-chu-hyc-symas-monero-developer-on-being-a-fraud-db0b46688041 12:47:47 but when u say it a nightmare to use 12:47:51 then i raather use 12:47:52 ahm 12:47:53 binance 12:47:59 is it anonymous to use? 12:48:13 yea it is 12:48:15 till 2 btc 12:48:16 a month 12:50:16 Guys we have to dump xmr, the bot must be right 13:05:39 It's looking like I had ~1200 xmr stolen on 2020-12-05 :( 13:06:04 what did the bot say entry1[m] ? 13:07:29 I'm still trying to figure out how this could have happened. The transaction that drained my wallet was about 10k blocks after my last intentional transaction 13:08:23 Did you open your wallet on an insecure PC? 13:09:41 It's a Windows machine, with the only purpose being for xmr activity. 13:11:50 Either seed leaked or wallet file and password leaked somewhere 13:11:55 Or your machine was infected 13:12:06 which wallet did you use? 13:13:14 the CLI, along with a private full node 13:14:15 how did you store your seed? 13:14:31 offline on paper only? 13:15:40 No, it's stored in a 1password vault. Pretty dumb I know. What's interesting is that there are also keys for btc and a few others in the same vault, which haven't been touched 13:15:44 you can't validate your choice of OS. but did you at least verify the monero software? 13:15:59 Using a Windows machine is already a mistake. Dedicated Linux installation on a USB drive or better a hardware wallet is needed for such amounts 13:16:45 I understand how to improve my wallet choices in the future, I'm just trying to figure out what exactly was compromised 13:17:32 If you still have monero-wallet-cli.exe, you can compare it with the official one 13:18:40 also boot a live USB with some good antivirus and do a full scan of the Windows machine you used 13:18:56 Is it possible a corrupted chainstate could result in the appearance of lost funds? 13:19:55 is there an outgoing transaction that you find on the block explorer? 13:20:47 Besides the tx that appears to have drained the wallet? 13:21:21 Also, it looks like the last transaction I made was using monero v16.0.1, anyone have the hashes for that version handy? 13:22:16 hmm that does not add up 13:22:20 we hard forked to v0.17 13:22:40 compare with https://github.com/monero-project/monero/releases/tag/v0.16.0.1 13:22:49 Thanks, I'll check 13:23:06 Did you send that transaction before the last hardfork? 13:23:11 I'm comparing the versions I have downloaded with the date of the fraudulent transaction 13:23:32 if your last transaction was 10k blocks before 2020-12-05 with v0.16 then you did the transaction on the wrong chain 13:23:53 You need to download latest release and restore your wallet from seed 13:23:55 to be sure 13:24:18 I just did that with the wallet, but should I do that with monerod as well? 13:24:26 yes 13:24:33 Alright, I'll try that 13:25:45 Is there a sane image host service anymore that I could use here? 13:26:01 sane as in? 13:29:06 i.bb.co seems sane (at least you can view links to images there without JS). 13:29:09 I only have exe files from the archives, are there hashes for those? 13:29:22 check hashes for the whole archive you downloaded 13:29:55 Archive is no longer around on this machine 13:29:56 Before you restore your wallet from seed, double check the machine is safe 13:30:12 better nuke the whole OS! 13:30:31 Download the official release, check hash of .zip file then unpack it and compare hash of .exe file 13:31:14 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/releases/tag/v0.16.0.1 13:34:51 Thanks sech1, I'm scrambled right now and not thinking right. I just checked the hashes and everything is correct for monero-wallet-cli.exe 13:35:40 moneromooo bad link? 13:35:48 for the image hosting service 13:36:01 i'd restore the wallet on a different machine and don't do the full node option. they you'll know for certain in a few minutes 13:36:14 Sorry, i.ibb.co 13:36:39 I just know I can see images posted there without JS/cookies, nohting else :) 13:36:56 if you used v0.16 to transact during December 2020 then you transacted on the wrong chain, I would suggest to restore with v0.17.1.9 on a clean computer 13:36:58 I think since the monero-wallet-cli.exe is verified, that leaves either a compromised machine, or a comprised 1password vault that has BTC and other keys which were left untouched 13:37:48 selsta thanks, I'm going to restore chainstate from scratch, although I'm fairly certain I already did that on v0.17 13:38:04 both daemon and wallet have to be 0.17 13:38:20 How did you create that wallet, out of curiosity ? Mostly, which software ? 13:38:37 Anybody succeded installing monerod on OpenBSD? 13:38:48 ndorf did I think. 13:39:17 whois ndorf 13:39:24 There was a PR needed for openbsd, somene might the link, I don't have it handy. 13:39:30 sorry i forgot / 13:39:34 https://i.ibb.co/4NLm9v3/image.png 13:40:10 here's what I'm looking at, trying to piece together timelines with my actions and the fraudulent transaction. They don't really make sense. 13:40:25 Oh, found it. It got merged a couple days ago, so if you don't have a more recent version, try pulling. 13:41:34 Do you have the transaction hash? If it can be found on xmrchain.net then it's gone for good 13:42:32 Yeah, it's this one https://xmrchain.net/search?value=e2dba959af08e27e48f68e265160fe6c3a9e366d090addd05c253827a647cba7 13:44:56 The magnitude of this loss hasn't hit me yet, I just opened the wallet today, for the first time in almost 6 months. I think I'm rationalizing around it and expecting there to be some bug or some forgotten memory of moving the funds. 13:46:58 i hope this is a new version of "boating accident" :( 13:47:53 Yeah, this is the kind of thing that keeps you up at night for the rest of your life 13:48:01 :/ 13:50:24 damn son 13:52:37 Yeah. F in the chat I suppose. 13:52:51 my heart goes out to you 13:53:32 so, you think someone was able to breach into your lastpass vault or something? 13:54:35 It's 1password, which I think is at least slightly better than lastpass as far as track record goes. But, I'm skeptical it was that, because there is BTC and ETH in that vault as well. Very strange that xmr would be taken but not the others 13:54:50 The machine is also a clean Windows machine. 13:55:13 Very confused at what was compromised here. 13:55:48 tough to crack 13:57:21 Just so you know, there is no such thing as a "clean" Windows 10 machine. It comes stock with a keylogger and passwords are sent to Microsoft: https://privacytools.io/operating-systems/#win10 13:57:59 yeah 13:58:03 I assume you checked any exchange accounts you have and other wallets to make sure you didn't send to yourself? 13:58:05 on the brigh side: you made Rajesh in the indian Microsoft Support Center very happy 13:58:18 sankee 13:58:20 t 13:59:37 hmmmmm: which wallet did you use to initially create the seed? 13:59:54 I understand how bad Windows is, but it's not doing things like sending private keys to anyone with a default installation 13:59:55 fuck windows, use linux! 14:00:19 Also, tips on how to improve wallet safety in the future are not really useful for me right now 14:00:32 @sels 14:00:57 .faucet 14:00:59 Mochi101: Of 4 or 0, which is 4 14:01:02 4 14:01:02 Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.000004 XMR to Mochi101 [b0223708] Wait ≈1 day 1 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01224708 14:01:07 selsta, what as the first tool available to create wallets? 14:01:21 simplewallet 14:01:23 no, how did you create the seed initially 14:01:41 did you use some online seed generator? monero-wallet-cli? 14:01:54 I don't recall. It was within the first few months or so of monero existing 14:10:00 could also be possible that your wallet was compromised earlier and the attacker waited 14:10:05 difficult to say afterwards 14:23:38 is the machine xmr-only or cryptocurrency only? 14:30:46 Thats fud, as far as privacy goes, a gnu/linux bots is obviously superior but it is hardly more secure than a windows one, in fact, the opposite is oftentimes the case 14:31:02 * Thats fud, as far as privacy goes, a gnu/linux box is obviously superior but it is hardly more secure than a windows one, in fact, the opposite is oftentimes the case 14:31:34 maybe, if you trust microsoft and their employees. 14:31:55 History is littered with the corpses of those who trusted microsoft. 14:32:41 * moneromooo looks at github and feels unsure how close to 0 the countdown is 14:33:34 the idea that privacy and security is a tradeoff is a false one. Perfect privacy is perfect security. 14:33:37 gingeropolous good point. Some random shitcoin wallets are often stealers. 14:39:40 I dont trust microsoft at all but its a common misconception to think that linux is actually secure 14:39:53 fair 14:40:20 .faucet 14:40:21 xrv0[m]: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in? 14:40:32 .login 14:40:38 .help 14:40:38 xrv0[m]: Access denied for help. Are you logged in? 14:40:55 .register 14:40:55 xrv0[m]: /msg NickServ help - https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration - WARNING! DO NOT ISSUE /msg COMMANDS IN CHANNEL! You risk exposing email/pass to everyone.. 14:53:29 Hello 14:54:05 One of my good friends is a security engineer at ms working on the OS. Default Windows installations do not send private keys or anything like that to ms. 14:54:16 .balance 14:54:17 nioc: • Your balance is: 0.0057656 XMR (≈1.48 USD) 14:55:10 gingeropolous the machine was only ever used for XMR. nothing else, no other crypto currencies. 14:55:22 selsta 14:55:30 > could also be possible that your wallet was compromised earlier and the attacker waited 14:55:48 Possibly, but would be pretty strange. The wallet had something like 2500 xmr over the years 14:57:23 i don't remember any stolen coins reports in the last months 14:57:57 so probability wise it is most likely a compromised machine / compromised way the seed was stored / transferred 14:58:06 but yea not helpful I know 15:07:07 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3482083 15:08:13 A very interesting paper regarding a negative correlation between financial literacy and attituted towards cryptocurrency. 15:15:50 .faucet 15:15:52 nioc: Half of two 15:15:55 1 15:15:56 nioc: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000058 XMR to nioc [dfba5323] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01224128 15:17:54 first time hey nioc 15:18:12 only thinking of you 15:18:29 .faucet 15:18:31 rupee[m]: How many digits is 5466 15:18:36 5 15:18:37 4 15:18:38 rupee[m]: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000037 XMR to rupee[m] [56f7766a] Wait ≈23 hrs 57 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01223758 15:18:46 jerk 15:18:52 :-p 15:19:05 average was closest to 5 15:19:48 guess i misunderstood the question again :( 15:26:32 .c (5+4+6+6)/4 15:26:33 Mochi101: (5+4+6+6)/4 - invalid amount (not a number) 15:26:58 .help 15:26:59 Mochi101: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs: https://bill48105.github.io/wallet/ | My core commands: .balance .deposit .faucet .ping .soak .tip .val .withdraw | .help to see others | .help for more details. 15:27:08 .help c 15:27:09 Mochi101: Help: .c - Shows entered temperature in Celcius 15:27:12 what up moch 15:27:15 .c 100 15:27:15 Bill48105: 100F -> ≈37.78C 15:27:27 monerobux isn't in this channel Mochi101 15:27:30 oh darn.. I thought I discovered an exploit 15:27:37 :P 15:27:51 .calc (5+4+6+6)/4 15:27:51 Bill48105: 5.25 15:28:13 I see (no pun intended) 15:29:08 .calc Mochi101 + Bill48105 {Mochi101=101} 15:29:09 Bill48105: 170 15:30:02 .calc Bill48105 + Mochi101 - 69 15:30:02 Mochi101: ERROR: Unrecognized variable: 'Mochi101' 15:30:24 I'll stick to the faucet. 15:30:30 :P 15:30:34 my nick is pre-defined as 69. you'd need to define yours as a value like i did 15:30:54 I thought it stuck until it was redefined 15:31:08 Some othere bots do it that way. 15:31:21 ahh nah but that could work if i was careful about storing to prevent abuse 15:31:55 How would someone abuse that? 15:32:14 never know. people love to find ways ;) 15:32:16 for i in `seq 1000000`; do .... 15:32:45 a var with a 10k char name+i. Eat up disk ? 15:33:14 oh jeese... I read that as something else 15:33:15 right that's why stuff is sanitized on input. including max/len limits 15:33:31 .calc 1/0 15:33:31 Bill48105: ERROR: Division by 0 kills baby shibes 15:33:41 .calc 1/0.0000000000000000000000000000001 15:33:42 moneromooo: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 15:33:42 moneromooo: ERROR: Large dildos kill baby shibes! 15:34:02 but yeah there;s checks on things 15:34:08 How did it manage to interpret that as a coin setting... 15:34:13 no kidding 15:34:23 it didn't 15:34:25 wtf is a babe shibe 15:34:27 .calc 1/0.0000000000000000000000000000001 15:34:27 Mochi101: ERROR: Large dildos kill baby shibes! 15:34:39 first time interaction with the bot sets coin? 15:34:42 you had not run a bot command since i added the auto default coin function 15:34:58 .calc 1/(Bill48105 - 69) 15:34:58 moneromooo: ERROR: Division by 0 kills baby shibes 15:35:27 .calc 1/(0/1) 15:35:27 moneromooo: ERROR: Division by 0 kills baby shibes 15:35:40 and yes it does same for large #s like exponents 15:35:43 .calc 1/1.0e10 15:35:43 Mochi101: ERROR: Unexpected character found: 'e' at index 5 15:35:51 I know, I tried :D 15:35:57 no scientific notation 15:36:15 .python 15:36:36 Mochi101: you really need a calculator for that? 15:36:50 (new toys) 15:37:06 .calc 1/-0 15:37:07 moneromooo: ERROR: Division by 0 kills baby shibes 15:37:13 jesus 15:37:15 nioc, there's someone present in the room that loves it when people use bots as calculators. So I like to do it whenever possible. 15:37:22 what is a shibe and why is a baby shibe being murdered 15:37:46 * Mochi101 pokes moneromooo 15:37:47 lol it was a joke because someone in doge channel was trying those things 15:38:33 PapuaHardyNet, Shibe is the breed of dog the doge dog is. 15:38:48 I see 15:38:58 Or Shiba Inu 15:39:03 but yeah it was punishment for their attempts & never got changed 15:39:07 1 mochi + 1 mooo = 15:39:21 moochi? 15:39:35 I wonder wen I will banned for spam 15:40:10 .ban nioc spam 15:40:11 Mochi101: Access denied for ban. Are you logged in? 15:40:22 Yes 15:40:25 DENIED 15:40:37 not admin. no 2fa. not unlocked. 15:42:35 if you give the bot op i can show you how it works :D 15:43:26 .op Wallet 15:43:27 Mochi101: Access denied for op. Are you logged in? 15:43:29 shibe killer is also the reason why the bot retaliates if you try to use commands against it 15:45:27 i should update those to not output anything unless bot is op to be less spammy 15:45:56 Yeah 15:46:06 That'd be a good update. 15:46:08 or just don't run em lol 15:46:12 but yeah on my todo 15:46:28 Is your bot open sauce? 15:46:36 open in my editor 15:46:44 hehehe 15:47:12 You have a bit of a sense of humor Bill48105 15:47:37 I bet your mother backhanded you a lot when you were little. 15:47:44 ;) but no it's not. it's meant to be more of a service. not really much point in anyone else running copies 15:48:13 lol not really but got a lot of dirty looks & sighs 15:48:18 You run one on every IRC network Bill48105 ? 15:48:48 not every but multiple. should work with about any depending on what daemon they use 15:48:56 .servers 15:48:57 Bill48105: Status: • discord: On • freenode: On • keybase: On • reddit: On • slack: On • hmail: On • rizon: On • oftc: On • twitch: On • matrix: On • telegram: On 15:49:19 so freenode hmail oftc & twitch 15:49:30 rizon 15:49:41 oops yeah missed that one eh 15:50:15 Are there any special features for the rizon network? 15:51:19 not that i am aware of. such as what 15:53:59 I don't know Bill48105 15:54:16 btw for those not in #tippero fluffy announced via topic that manual withdrawals from tippero was being processed if you contact them 15:55:06 I've asked the Freenode Ops to implement something with their Chanserv... I mean, it's always giving out ops or voice. I was thinking it could randomly give out Covid or AIDS... or Bubble gum... fun stuff like that. 15:55:26 lol umm 15:55:57 They're not really receptive to the awesome idea though. 15:56:05 cant imagine why 15:56:10 right? 15:57:01 I mean, wouldn't it be awesome if you went to a channel and ChanServ announces that it gave you a wedgie? 15:57:08 kek 15:57:34 I think it'd be so fun. It'd probably revive the interest in IRC and give it a second life. 15:57:37 awesome for the 1st 30 seconds until the channel was over-run with the noise of people reconnecting to see every message possible 15:59:36 well, I pulled up my xmr ledger balance in case I had sent it but forgot. and I have 1.6 XMR. down from 1200 XMR stolen. 16:00:16 1200 XMR or $1200 XMR 16:00:29 1200 xmr 16:05:05 ugh 16:05:07 Why wouldn't all of it be taken if it were compromised? 16:05:34 No kidding. 16:05:55 ledger keys are separate. I was hoping I had moved my balance to the ledger account and somehow forgotten 16:06:51 I still don't see the likely cause of how this could have happened 16:07:07 It would be odd if it were compromised for it not to be filly drained. Almost seems like it was a test wallet to try sending it from the large wallet you had 16:07:21 * It would be odd if it were compromised for it not to be fully drained. Almost seems like it was a test wallet to try sending it from the large wallet you had 16:07:39 the non-hardware device account is fully drained. 16:09:02 Can't he see the transaction history for the wallet, or was that the link provided earlier? 16:09:32 it doesn't provide any helpful information 16:10:26