00:00:14 pump for freedom 00:00:35 ^ 00:09:55 "$ is a byproduct of monello, not the reason for building it" where does this idea come from? monello itself is money, and isnt the work what is generating it? 00:10:45 apotheon: "Monero just needs to keep abreast of privacy concerns" that and need to make sure we're visible of how capable monero needs to be to remain relevant. programmability/interoperability is a worthy area of research. i think we ought to keep an interest in being able to launch something like DLSAGs 00:10:46 endogenic: in that people find $$ aka usd a motivation 00:13:00 DLSAGs? 00:44:54 83% done syncing zzzz 01:41:18 .balance 01:41:18 DreadPirateRoger: • Your balance is: 0.0007982 XMR (≈0.25 USD) 01:42:46 what up pirate 01:43:32 Not a whole lot. Rum and Plundering 01:44:10 .balance 01:44:10 KSaunder1on: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in? 01:44:42 Hows life on the high seas? 01:45:52 yum rum 01:46:09 rip KSaunder1on you'll be missed 01:46:37 He was a pcuser... 01:46:49 politically correct 01:47:08 hahaha a Politically Correct substance abuser 01:55:03 How is prison? 01:56:20 Less rum just as much plundering 02:07:55 Ross is at 2751 days in jail 02:11:21 Bill48105: What kind games can Wallet play? 02:11:36 .help games 02:11:36 Bill48105: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs: https://bill48105.github.io/wallet/ | My games commands: .bang .befr .bj .drawpoker .duckcall .holdem .poker .reload .roul .slots | .help to see others | .help for more details. 02:12:03 please dont play here though. do it in #tippero ##wallet or #walletbot instead 02:12:12 Cool 02:12:27 endogenic: could any part of mobilecoin be reused in the mainline monero? 02:12:35 i probably should just set nogames here or limit to 1 per day since this channel is bridged & could really annoy people quickly 02:15:07 endogenic: I think what he meant was 02:15:16 "price appreciation is a byproduct" 02:15:44 making/earning money off using monero for economic purposes is an intended goal, "number go up" is just a side effect 02:16:23 endor00[m]: ^ 02:22:44 thx :) 03:10:09 .balance 03:10:09 DreadPirateRoger: • Your balance is: 0.0007982 XMR (≈0.25 USD) 03:37:56 yup still the same since last check :) 03:57:32 how does this work? 04:01:30 Fyi in 0.17.2.0 armv8 monerod works on rpi4 (armv7 does not) but armv8 monero-wallet-cli does not. armv8 monerod + armv7 monero-wallet-cli does work. 04:01:57 what does not work? 04:03:12 monero-wallet-cli armv8 exits with Bus Error 04:04:18 and v0.17.1.9 works? 04:09:05 Sorry jumped pasted that one. No doesn't work either 04:15:22 Maybe something in my setup has changed. Weird. The old (0.17.1.8) monerod that used to crash because of illegla instruction (rpi missing aes instr) works now. So probably nothing specific to last release 04:16:58 Does anyone having problem when compiling monero v0.17 latest release from source? 04:17:24 post the problen 04:17:26 problem 04:17:49 I got error likely with libboost http://ix.io/2VTL 04:18:46 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7654 04:18:53 or update boost 04:19:12 but that just fails in tests, monerod and monero-wallet-cli should be compiled already 04:20:59 @selsta : thank you, I've checked that binaries are compiled. Gonna check them again latter 08:50:44 .faucet 08:50:46 gumman: Of 7 and 0, which is 0 08:50:50 0 08:50:50 gumman: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to gumman [f27ae404] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01553837 08:52:54 cheating! 08:53:01 :P 08:53:19 .faucet 08:53:21 azy: Of 4 ? 7, which is 7 08:53:25 7 08:53:26 azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to azy [b3f7371d] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01553507 08:53:33 .faucet 08:53:35 Mochi101: Which is bigger, 3 or 1 08:53:38 3 08:53:38 why bother with that stupid question 08:53:38 Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000006 XMR to Mochi101 [cfff09fa] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01553447 08:53:48 .balance 08:53:49 azy: • Your balance is: 0.0000733 XMR (≈0.02 USD) 08:53:54 .balance 08:53:55 Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000806 XMR (≈0.03 USD) 08:54:08 .tip azy all 08:54:09 Mochi101 tipped 0.0000806 XMR (≈$0.03) to stev3 [8fe3721a] 08:54:11 x 08:54:30 wtf 08:54:38 Bill48105, ? 08:54:45 because something something MONEY 08:55:02 but the questions are truely retarded 08:55:24 charolastra_, which questions? 08:55:40 those riddles from the wallet bot 08:55:48 Thise are Captchas 08:56:01 i suppose 08:56:07 they are! 08:56:26 pullet in from externally? 08:56:42 no, they are part of the bot's code 08:58:11 what's the point? those questions could easily be answered by a machine. why not give coins to everyone who asks? 08:58:16 otherwise you could have a bunch of bots come into a channel and each of them request from the faucet and then each of them tip to one wallet to consolidate and then withrdraw to an external wallet 08:58:51 charolastra_, so program a bot to do it and kick Bill48105's ass with it. 08:58:51 oh Mochi101, are you the author of the bot? 08:59:00 I'm sure he'd be up for the challenge. 08:59:05 no 08:59:07 ah :) 08:59:16 Bill48105 is the owner. 08:59:36 .faucet 08:59:36 charolastra_: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in? 09:01:03 it's a bit buggy, you should be authorized on IRC (through NickServ) and if it still complains then usually spamming .balance a few times gets the bot going 09:15:56 charolastra_: ok just make a machine to answer them instead of complaining 09:24:41 moanero should be worth a lot more right now 09:25:24 how much more? 09:25:50 at least the last ATH 09:26:32 raecarruth, I spelled it 'moanero' and complained about the price. 09:26:33 iunno what that was 09:26:41 It was a joke. 09:26:44 yeah, i missed that... 09:26:46 i get it now 09:26:49 ;) 10:04:18 reminder to report spammers on github 10:04:24 don't just assume someone else will do it 10:05:29 it's rate-limited though, they only let you report two at a time 10:16:49 That's so the reporters don't spam with reports. 10:25:08 Hello all. 10:25:08 I would like to make a report of what is potentially Monero stealing malware. 10:25:09 I enter in the CLI wallet the command "sweep_all index=all 4EQMPwbasBcTpS........" 10:25:09 But on the hardware wallet device I am using it shows the address: 10:25:10 "44hgP8..." 10:25:10 I did a check of the hash of the file when I first downloaded the wallet, which verified correctly. 10:25:11 Considering that I checked the files, I have no idea what might cause the address to be as entered in the CLI but completely different on the hardware wallet screen 10:27:02 how do you know its malware ? 10:27:09 ^ 10:27:38 I have never seen the other address before 10:28:10 that the hardware wallet claims the transaction is sending to 10:32:14 Both addresses check out as valid addresses on https://xmr.llcoins.net/addresstests.html 10:32:40 with different public keys 10:34:03 Mochi101: yeah, but there could be a system of "known valid reporters" 10:34:41 I've already reported many spammers in the past that were banned afterwards, you'd think they could give me a higher report limit, but no 10:35:10 clavi, you mean a central registry? 10:37:12 Adreik, could you be sending to an Integrated address (4E) and it's showing you the regular base address (44) ? 10:37:22 Mochi101: not sure what you mean 10:37:28 Yeah, that seems to be it. 10:37:38 Aren't those deprecated though? 10:37:53 Unencrypted ones are... Encrypted not. 10:38:06 Should I contact the counterparty institution and ask them to change it 10:38:16 No 10:38:26 I'm talking about reporting bots on github, if you've made valid reports in the past your report limit should be higher 10:38:50 should the Ledger HW screen not show the integrated address instead of the base address? 10:39:22 seems like a pretty big flaw; you could trick someone into sending to a different integrated address identifier 10:39:23 Adreik, it should probably show the address that you told it to send to rather than the base address, yes. 10:39:26 it boggles the mind how many processes are static, I thought computers were made to automate things 10:39:38 clavi, automate it then. 10:39:50 I don't work at github 10:40:01 apply for a job there 10:41:21 Can anyone confirm that this is the usual behaviour of ledger hardware wallets; to display the base address only when you send to an integrated address? If not I guess I will be the test subject... 10:59:35 Yeah I think that is a known "feature" 11:01:26 any timeline on when it gets patched? 11:02:39 no idea. No way to use a subaddress instead? 11:03:57 I guess I could request that the counterparty update their system, but there isn't an alternative deposit method, no 11:45:24 so either 1. send tiny amount and verify it is correct, or 2. use your own intermediary wallet to send to first ? 11:47:20 Will you HODL XMR or dump it for Tari when it comes out? Will others? 11:48:18 certainly wont dump it for ryo 11:52:44 I don't know why they even bother with that... Tari is never going to launch a mainnet. 11:53:09 * Mochi101 smiles at fp 11:54:14 how do you get tari if it's mergemined? do you just get tari when you mine xmr now? 11:54:34 or as well as* 11:54:37 same way doge works 11:54:53 i dont know how doge works either :'( 11:55:13 merge mine magic 11:55:20 MMM tech 11:56:19 I keep finding obvious mistakes in Mastering Monero (pdf) that are fixed in the source, is the pdf outdated? 12:42:26 Mochi101 because such things are detected & you get banned by the bot.. 12:45:05 Bill48105, I was explaining to someone why there was a captcha. 12:48:56 ahh yeah figure most everything is covered as people dont take long to try thing 12:49:40 How would you cover an attack like that though? 12:50:04 tracking, reactions & alerts 12:50:45 Not sure, not without some complicated guesswork. 12:51:04 Unless you track someone's activity level. 12:51:29 well for one there's a reason faucet isn't allowed in pm 12:51:43 so they'd have to do it in a channel the bot has joined 12:51:43 So at least 'over a certain threshold of messages' in the channel. 12:52:00 the bot is only in channels i add it to 12:52:12 Bill48105, Like the spam bots that come here with registered nicks. 12:52:20 They could all do the faucet thing. 12:52:25 yes & i c ould stop them too if the bot had op ;) 12:52:44 they can do faucet but they'd have to answer the question 12:53:05 The logic in that is easy enough. 12:53:15 meh you're missing the point 12:53:28 you tell me you're not gonna notice if they tried here? 12:53:37 I would notice. 12:54:00 But your bot wouldn't automatically notice, would it? 12:54:24 [15:55:22] ALERT! Locked account access attempt: idonthaveacoolna@freenode 12:54:41 you dont think there is monitoring & alerting? 12:55:11 I don't know, that's what we're discussing. 12:55:46 I'm sure for the 0.01 bonus pot it's also not really worth it. 12:55:47 :D 12:55:54 lol 12:56:10 but hey, someone might be up for the challenge! 12:56:21 well obviously many things boil down to not being worth someone's time 12:56:25 easier to cheat it manually than code a bot to do it 12:56:48 it's partly why the amounts are kept low 12:57:24 What's the other part of the why the amounts are kept low? 12:57:29 i'm not a fond of discussing such things as some see it as a challenge to attempt 12:58:00 I see 12:58:55 but yeah figure it's balance of deterrence, detection & mitigation 13:00:02 it's like a loophole was created when i modded faucet to be nicer to people 13:00:27 before no user could run more than once per 24 hours. if they tried early they got 30 min extra added to timer 13:00:52 i made it so users could try earlier but get proportionally less 13:01:09 oh hey 13:01:22 the issue was by doing so if they got the answer wrong they could just retry right away 13:01:35 obviously that could be easily abused especially by automated attempts 13:01:37 did you see that when I did a .tip azy all that it went to the wrong person? 13:01:52 did you do whois on them.. 13:01:59 wait wat 13:02:00 [09:01:55] -NickServ- Information on azy (account stev3): 13:02:02 .balance 13:02:02 azy: • Your balance is: 0.0001539 XMR (≈0.05 USD) 13:02:06 ooooh 13:02:10 ;) 13:02:21 did i not get that? 13:02:25 ok, my bad 13:02:31 type .whois 13:02:41 you did get it stev3 13:02:44 nice 13:02:46 .whois azy 13:02:46 Bill48105: azy is nick/name azy with id/account stev3 on freenode & bot account stev3@freenode 13:03:05 so yes they're on a different nick 13:03:11 which gets resolved to their freenode account 13:03:18 Yeah, azy is a hacker 13:03:25 i probably should show both to be less confusing 13:03:40 but tip shows the final acct it resolved to 14:04:52 hello 14:05:11 hello 14:05:59 hello 14:06:30 hello 14:32:52 kkkkkkombo breaker 14:34:05 hello 15:00:00 hello 15:00:20 Tf? Is this a matrix bridge to an irc bridged to matrix 15:00:40 what? 15:01:09 guessing you are on matrix 15:01:14 i'm on freenode here 15:01:33 and on matrix here 15:01:52 That's fucking confusing 15:01:53 pock suppet identified 15:02:06 the other people who said hello are all on freenode too except paul 15:02:08 Sup, pocket? 15:02:29 so yeah bridged users 15:02:35 hmm 15:02:42 There weren't enough Ps in that to be an anagram. 16:26:07 moneromooo: Do you know anything about Oxen (the cryptocurrency)? 16:28:55 I am about 90% sure it is the same as Loki. I know Loki is a Monero for and tewinget worked on it. I know it has something called service nodes, which are... maybe similar to masternodes, not quite sure. That's pretty much all I know. 16:30:28 It's Loki but renamed. 16:31:04 Just a rebranding. https://loki.network/2021/01/06/oxen-rebrand-rollout/ 17:01:31 can any reddit mod unlock this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/mq6gb2/the_first_public_haveno_meeting_will_be_wednesday/ ? 17:01:32 moneromooo: It is Loki. They renamed it. 17:01:57 moneromooo: The service nodes are basically onion routing nodes, apparently. 17:02:03 * Mochi101 feels ignored 17:02:21 (for the Session protocol as well as for the cryptocurrency) 17:02:29 Mochi101: hi 17:02:33 I see your link. 17:02:41 ok 17:02:42 any idea why monerod is syncing super slow at the last 10% 17:02:51 yeah 17:02:52 Oh Mochi101's still around ? Haven't seen him for months... 17:03:01 meow 17:03:06 abcdefg_1rssi: The early stuff is easy, because there are checkpoints for block verification. 17:03:08 apparently he is 17:03:10 * moneromooo kidding 17:03:17 abcdefg_1rssi: The end requires your node to verify blocks the hard way. 17:03:23 ahhh 17:03:34 That's my understanding, anyway. 17:03:47 its saying like 1.7 days left to complete the last 7% lol 17:03:52 moneromooo: Did I get that explanation right? 17:04:30 abcdefg_1rssi: It seems to involve a lot of non-sequential writing to your storage device. 17:04:30 I think the checkpoints really do speed up the sync 17:04:30 Yes. 17:04:44 moneromooo: Cool. Thanks for the confirmation. 17:04:49 yeah 17:05:04 verification requires touching old blocks and new ones to conform things 17:05:13 hence the non-sequential reads you're seeing 17:05:14 there's probably also other factors like how busy the block chain has been recently, and later tx's referring more to earlier blocks? 17:05:47 marmulak: yes but that largely evens out, it's more like "more recent blocks have more txs than older ones" which means more verification time 17:05:49 those random reads and writes are murder 17:06:16 fluffypony could you unlock this if you have a sec? https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/mq6gb2/the_first_public_haveno_meeting_will_be_wednesday/? 17:06:20 much worse than reckless endangerment 17:06:24 yeah more tx's as Monero gets more popular and people are rushing to buy crypto 17:06:39 ErCiccione: approved 17:06:52 I see it's in the "have no dev" channel 17:06:56 if you need a dev you should just ask 17:06:57 :-P 17:06:59 thanks 17:07:31 Use the just released 0.17.2.0 which has new checkpoints for faster syncing 17:07:31 😛 It's a meme already 17:12:29 lol 17:17:51 xmr price has gone up a lot 17:19:49 not today 17:24:21 the feeling when you know what to invest in but don't have the money 17:25:01 gil: just do 100x leverage, 0 risk involed i promise 17:25:11 You can always put some money in. Start small 17:27:22 yeah I guess I could buy a small amount and follow trends for fun 17:27:51 shit 17:27:53 400% INCREASE! I'M A DOZENAIRE! 17:27:54 if you end the monerod process 17:27:55 mid sync 17:27:59 does it take forever to load back up 17:28:03 or did i just ruin everything 17:28:36 It does not. 17:28:53 Unless it's in the process of pruning a chain, in which case I think it borks, not sure. 17:29:06 But if syncing or just keeping up with the network, no problem. 17:29:18 it was downloading the blockchain 17:29:33 Looks like its stuck on loading blockchian from folder ... 17:29:37 unless that just takes a long time 17:29:41 which i guess would make sense 17:29:55 No. Could be DNS maybe. 17:30:03 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usGQjN87BUA 17:30:09 Faith No More - Everything's Ruined 17:30:36 except apparently not 17:30:46 should i end the process and run it with any type of commands? 17:30:47 They should have rebranded with locrian 17:34:47 abcdefg_1rssi: you could gdb into the process and see what it's doing. 17:34:58 gdb /path/to/monerod `pidof monerod` 17:35:02 info threads 17:35:08 Or thread apply all bt 17:35:28 Likely sleeping in the interesting thread so thread apply all bt is better. 17:35:58 * usernetinternet[ uploaded an image: (74KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ssnmFGisOMTSfZLocaMuKPxv/IMG_20210411_223506_772.jpg > 17:36:49 yea one sec let me see 17:36:59 i think the process is frozen 17:37:04 monerod exit doesnt even work rn 17:38:39 ok what am i looking at here moneromooo 17:38:40 lol 17:38:47 i did thread apply all bt 17:40:21 Paste the output on paste.debian.net or similar. Multiline, press enter to run through the pages. 17:50:42 moneromooo 17:50:45 http://paste.debian.net/1193515 17:53:35 .ysorno should I update my CLI today? 17:53:41 .yesorno should I update my CLI today? 17:53:41 YES 17:53:53 ok 17:54:28 Quotes is Enterprise Enabled 17:55:27 That is kinda unexpected. But that's only one thread. I doubt there's only one thread at this point. 18:05:38 !quote 18:05:38 Random quote (#1566): chron0: how much solar you got? | New_miner_kid: 8 hours 18:55:21 moneromooo sorry I had to dc for a bit did you say anything 18:55:44 oh nvm i see your response 18:56:04 I just connected via ssh back into the server and ran monerod again 18:56:09 and it seems to be working 18:56:12 not sure what happened 18:56:20 but status is working again 19:03:37 Is Tether pumping Monero? 19:05:29 Given the way it's fallen vs bitcoin over years... they wouldn't be good at it if they were. 19:06:09 >No, it isn't me doxing Seth on deepweb subreddits. 19:06:12 heh 19:06:15 reddit is as clearweb as it gets 19:06:19 Is Monero going to always trend to zero against Bitcoin? 19:06:26 lol tether pumping xmr? 19:06:52 Do you like asking questions noone in your audience knows the answer to ? 19:06:53 Monero has gone up a lot over the past few days freecosby. 19:07:04 Tether is a scam. 19:07:09 yes, i've noticed 19:07:21 We still do not know. 19:08:19 Are you sure Tether is a scam? 19:08:20 bitcointums: bitcoin is just used by zero knowledge speculators its price vs monero is irrelevant 19:08:59 Why would governments allow anything but a transparent blockchain to exist? 19:09:26 bitcointums: monero doesnt ask any government for permission to exist 19:09:26 Because they might still allow freedom. You never know. 19:09:31 https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/d1i9jm/tether_is_a_scam/ 19:09:35 You sound like a troll to me. 19:09:57 It's really unclear where we're gonna go. It's not been looking good in the lsat 20 years but at some point the pendulum's gotta swing back. 19:10:09 I'm not. 19:10:39 I think the reason why Monero can exist is the same as why strong crypto exists - genie is out of the bottle already 19:10:50 They do allow a transparent blockchain (BTC) to exist. It is because they can trace what went where, and potentially identify Bitcoin addresses with great ease. 19:11:25 I mean, the questions about this typically assume we're gonna get china as a world master soon (or china like authoritarianism), which is possible, but it certainly at one end of the spectrum. 19:11:38 Is Kraken the only reason Monero has value? 19:11:50 It's like people can't conceive anything else. 19:11:57 What happens when Kraken delists Monero? 19:11:58 are there any countries that have banned monero and not bitcoin? 19:12:14 why would kraken delist monero? 19:12:34 Which is kinda sad for them I guess, because the prison their thoughts live in is pretty small. 19:12:38 preemptive obedience 19:12:42 CoinMarketCap lists the Monero price. I assume CMC is an exchange, too. 19:12:48 I believe Australia banned exchanges from listing Monero. 19:12:50 bitcointums: its not a certainty 19:12:50 Kraken ? What's this got to do with it ? 19:12:58 Oh wait, that's a bot isnt it. 19:13:01 nvm 19:13:03 so, they didn't ban monero 19:13:37 What will Monero do if governments decide that any Bitcoin that interacts with Monero atomic swaps gets the KYC'd user arrested? 19:13:39 are exchanges the only reason cryptocurrency has value? how ridiculous does that sound 19:14:26 Do you hodel Monero rupee? 19:14:29 Non-KYC exchanges will always save the day (localmonero, atomic swaps when they are launched to the mainnet, Cake Wallet's, etc.) 19:14:39 > <@bitcointums:matrix.org> I believe Australia banned exchanges from listing Monero. 19:14:39 * Non-KYC exchanges will always save the day (localmonero, atomic swaps when they are launched to the mainnet, Cake Wallet's, if it is non-KYC, etc.) 19:14:42 You don't get it, if you're not a bot. If noone pushes in the direction of freedom, we *will* end up less free faster. This is good for noone, even those who won't do anything. 19:14:47 nothing. what would you expect monero to do? it doesn't care what governments think 19:14:51 What? 19:15:11 I'm not a bot moneromooo. 19:15:12 Nothing. It has no center. 19:15:16 I mean, I get it, it's easy to do nohting, and I'm not a suicidal hero either, but it's for *yourself* you push, as well as for others. 19:15:42 And people just missing that are just helping dig their own prison pit. 19:16:31