00:00:13 no idea what that means 00:00:26 means i gotcha 00:00:29 you lose 00:00:45 I think I once ran it on evilWM, but it was a full Debian installation (KDE) and I think KDE was not running. 00:00:49 and yes, of course i'm on arch 00:01:03 i mean it's not terrible, but def too big 00:01:09 The problem is... I did not get too far on MGUIW, because it always hanged on me every time it tried to sync. 00:01:22 hmm yeah i'm waiting on sync 00:01:24 so we'll see 00:01:32 jj1013[m]: but that might not be a GUI issue but a daemon issue 00:01:59 It always stays on "Syncing Daemon" for me. What do you think it is? 00:02:00 link me to feather 00:02:01 it on GH? 00:02:14 you can also Monero GUI with a remote node like Feather 00:02:19 lord_fomo[m]: featherwallet.org 00:02:21 i'm past htis 00:03:02 jj1013[m]: difficult to say remotely. You can go to Settings -> Log, type "status" and post the output here, that might tell what is going on 00:03:04 Feather is what I use for my wallet. It seems stable enough for it to be still in beta version, so I do not mind. 00:03:09 but if you use feather already not necessary 00:03:22 where da codez 00:03:30 git.featherwallet.org 00:04:23 featherwallet is best wallet 00:04:39 It also has its own subreddit, though it is inactive since people use the official Monero subreddits instead. 00:04:39 https://teddit.net/r/FeatherWallet 00:05:18 It makes different design decisions. 00:05:18 https://git.featherwallet.org/feather/feather yah? 00:05:21 yes 00:05:28 what is this a github clone? 00:05:32 pretty snappy af 00:05:39 gitea is quite nice 00:05:43 * It also has its own subreddit, though it is inactive since people use the official Monero subreddits instead. 00:05:43 https://teddit.net/r/featherwallet 00:05:54 yah 00:06:01 gonna have to do this eventually 00:06:09 fo shiat ma clan is workin on 00:06:22 feather is the best gui client 00:07:51 ahh there's a `settings.ini` 00:07:54 for std gui wallet 00:08:24 oh wait nm 00:08:38 settings.ini is not meant to be edited manually 00:08:41 this just looks like reg config 00:08:43 yah 00:09:32 lol yeah it's pretty minimal 00:13:36 .val xmr 00:13:36 abcdefg_1rssi: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈327.53 • ccc/OKEX: ≈$326.87 24HΔ: 5.16% Vol: 3.11K [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$328.19 24HΔ: 3.42% 7DΔ: 20.86253% [< 1h] 00:20:54 TheFireSwamp: Sorry, no, I don't. It was just a side-mention of something in some podcasty news thing, so I didn't get details. Someone else in the channel found some reference to it first being discovered in December, though, I guess. 00:23:08 TheFireSwamp: regarding your question about links for the XMR thing 00:38:55 in the gui wallet can you delete accounts? 00:39:26 no, also not possible in CLI 00:39:45 you can delete your wallet cache and it will delete them 00:40:18 apothen: Thanks 00:41:08 apotheon: Thanks 00:42:45 i don't think i even knew you could do that 😂 00:42:45 accounts 00:43:19 wait is account just a new address? 00:45:22 i dont think its recommended to delete addresses 00:45:44 How are wallets registered so the same wallet isn't generated twice? 00:46:20 TheFireSwamp: thru probability 00:46:41 so it will happen 00:46:48 so weird 00:46:49 in the gui there's 2 "accounts" 00:46:49 but only see one address (as expected) in cli 00:46:55 with a strong pseudo random number generator and cryptography 00:47:01 yes its possible 00:47:26 where is this? 00:47:27 lord_fomo[m]: type help account in CLI 00:47:33 or help accounts 00:47:33 but the statistics are like it will happen less often than life in the universe or something 00:47:35 you just mean the wallet dir? 00:47:54 oh weird 00:47:57 its possible but very highly unlikely 00:47:57 there it is 00:48:05 never used that before 00:48:08 until quantum computers i guess :D 00:48:14 https://monerodocs.org/public-address/subaddress/ 00:48:18 this explains accounts 00:48:22 multiple accounts 00:48:24 thaks 00:48:25 https://monerodocs.org/public-address/subaddress/#group-funds-into-accounts 00:48:35 sweet thanks 00:48:53 so if you want to wipe an account you can't? 00:49:27 restore your wallet from seed or delete wallet cache 00:49:35 wallet cache is the file called `wallet` 00:49:45 don't delete `wallet.keys`, that's the keys file 00:50:02 oh apparently a sha1 collision was calculated with 6610 years of processor time 00:50:14 ahh 00:50:41 ok so the file `` is the cache 00:50:49 and if you wipe it it'll remove accounts? 00:51:04 yes, unless you have funds inside the account 00:51:06 but that will or will not wipe any balance associated with keys? 00:51:09 then it will regenerate the account 00:51:17 but everyone should be using stronger hashes by now 00:51:22 gotcha 00:52:18 huh seems like it's just recreated 00:52:32 ok will do some reading 00:52:36 thanks for da tips selsta 00:53:31 should not recreate unless you have funds inside it 00:53:37 well it is 00:53:47 i was just messing with a test wallet from the gui 00:57:54 Hello my friends! Claim up to US $24 in coupons now! 00:57:54 Your $24 in coupons are here! 00:57:54 https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0XtOXd Not spam, not virus, just coupons! ;) 00:58:18 w0w super legit 01:02:01 Did you know that all witdraw-buyer-seller-depoist chains are trackable in Monero? No? You should have read Breaking Monero. How many people are you endangering with your 'privacy' coin? 01:02:20 ahh interesting so accounts are basically just like -sub-address group labels? 01:02:24 * ahh interesting so accounts are basically just like sub-address group labels? 01:02:45 for human-org purposes? 01:03:41 each account has its own balance and history 01:04:07 right but that's just a summary of the sub-addresses? 01:04:14 yes 01:04:44 subaddresses have two indices, account and address index 01:05:01 ah 01:05:14 (0, 0) is base address 01:05:14 so you can join on the account field as it were 01:20:56 lord_fomo: took up around 120-160gb of storage 01:21:14 freecoupo: >a.aliexpress 01:37:31 it is spam though 02:00:49 Quick basic questions. A cold wallet still remains a cold wallet if the owner uses the private view key to view inbound transactions correct? Are there any downsides to this approach other than a malicious node misrepresenting transactions or spying on activity? A hot wallet is just determined if the wallet has ever or is connected to a monero node by using the private spend key or mnemonic seed correct? 02:02:16 basically, yes 02:02:41 i would say that a cold wallet is any wallet for which the private spend key and mnemonic seed have never been on a network-connected computer 02:04:10 you can, of course, use the online view-only wallet with your own node, in which case there are no downsides. the risks of using someone else's node are orthogonal to whether or not you're using a cold wallet 02:05:08 Gotcha, yeah agreed to a network connected computer in general. Two unrelated questions, wasn't trying to correlate the two unwittingly. Thanks ndorf 02:14:26 Does anyone see a future where Monero overtaking Ripple in market cap? 02:15:58 No way. Ripple is such a great coin. Monero is what criminals and terrorists use 02:16:11 Get with the times 02:16:29 the end of times 04:47:09 hello 04:48:21 holy shit 04:48:27 30+ hours of syncing 04:48:29 97.4% 04:48:31 kill me 04:49:22 i also snagged the monero.gd domain :^) 05:01:29 hdd? 05:04:21 Probably wouldn't be that fast 05:05:10 SSD should take less than 12h 05:05:31 Also the just released 0.17.2.0 has updated checkpoints for faster syncing 05:05:53 Yes and hdd should be slower 05:06:09 yep new checkpoints are best checkpoints 05:06:30 its not a hdd 05:06:37 i mean it might be idk 05:06:38 cockbox 05:06:48 v0.17.2.0 ? 05:06:49 sshd 05:06:51 whatever that shit is 05:06:52 yea 05:07:01 v0.17.2.0 made sure to get that 05:07:05 the first 80% was fast 05:07:16 last 20% has taken like over 25 hours 05:07:54 it's not a real ssd 05:08:00 sshd = SSD Cached 05:08:16 ah 05:08:18 so thats why? 05:08:20 yep 05:11:55 any idea why i cant cd into /var/lib/tor 05:11:57 permission denied 05:19:27 Try with sudo su if you know what you are doing 05:21:10 i do not 05:21:53 i think i found shit on google to help 05:21:54 ty tho 06:01:58 abcdefg_irssi: yeah an sshd is often a "spinning rust" hard disk with like 8GB of SSD cache. Helpful in some scenarios over a pure HDD - but not so much for Monero which must do random lookups of older transaction outputs 06:09:43 有中国人在吗？ 06:23:39 在Telegram上尝试@MoneroCN 06:24:43 o_0 08:22:15 * ieatglueinthegul uploaded an image: (84KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/halogen.city/8ea550be2c13bfb4f341233f3ae2df0e951bb931/Screenshot_20210414-112148_Brave.jpg > 08:22:17 Wtf, lolibros we got too cocky 08:24:54 tf? 08:26:55 There are multiple psychological hooks to keep Monero community members in place. Here is one: 08:26:55 https://vimeo.com/272691039 08:26:55 Notice that Scientologists don't stand on street corners saying "Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Xenu?" 08:26:55 Put yourself instead in the shoes of someone who spent $10,000 and 2-3 years of their life on their courses 08:26:55 And you get a bunch of bad sci-fi - you have two choices: 09:12:39 wydgwgxlmt left us hanging... What choices... 09:26:18 We'll never know :( 09:32:01 i have a transaction that is visible on xmrcain.net, but not on localmonero.co 09:32:05 what could be the reason? 09:34:19 localmonero.co hasnt detected/shown it 09:37:17 how long does this take? i sent it ~48 hours ago 09:37:32 contact their support 10:46:55 This is because their blockexplorer has freezed so that's why azy 10:48:32 what even is a plan b? 10:56:36 Contact them on reddit 13:12:11 .balance 13:12:12 TheFireSwamp: • Your balance is: 0.00016056 XMR (≈0.05 USD) 13:12:56 .balance 13:12:56 Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.00001 XMR (≈0 USD) 13:13:01 .faucet 13:13:04 Mochi101: How many digits is 1479 13:13:07 4 13:13:08 Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000007 XMR to Mochi101 [2efcabb9] Wait ≈1 day 20 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01601636 13:13:48 .faucet 13:13:49 Inge-: Of 5 or 2, which is 5 13:13:53 5 13:13:54 Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.000006 XMR to Inge- [09634887] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01601036 13:14:23 .balance 13:14:24 Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000107 XMR (≈0 USD) 13:14:24 .faucet 13:14:25 sech1: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in? 13:14:31 :( 13:14:45 so sad 13:14:47 .bal 13:14:47 sech1: 0.00489065 XMR (≈$1.59) 13:14:54 .bal 13:14:54 Inge-: 0.0051493 XMR (≈$1.67) 13:15:05 You guys are RICH AF! 13:19:55 hiiiii faaams 13:20:06 i need suggestion on how to scale wallet-rpc 13:20:54 i make a lot of calls at same time to wallet-rpc to the point where it stop responding / delay response 13:21:19 but wallet-rpc locks the wallet so can't run more of them on same wallet right? 13:24:01 don't make your calls so fast 13:24:23 what kind of requests? just to get the current value? 13:24:36 bundle your transactions 13:24:56 mostly getbalance 13:25:07 lol 13:25:08 but it's system widely used 13:25:30 and audit must be performed often 13:25:36 how often? 13:25:48 10-20 seconds 13:25:54 then make a single 13:25:57 will easily handle that 13:26:30 something else is going on 13:26:47 but it's over 1000 calls each 10 seconds 13:26:55 oh 13:27:03 wtf... why? 13:27:07 and I can't limit on users 13:27:11 You should explain this better. 13:27:20 can't you cache it? 13:27:42 so your users call a cached balance... every 15 seconds it's updated 13:28:23 it must be current and accurate, due to nature of deposits/withdrawals 13:28:31 otherwise audit makes no sense 13:29:22 ... what're you doing that needs this kind of accuracy? 13:29:50 i asked for help 13:30:00 not for investigation if you don't mind 13:30:01 :) 13:30:31 ieatglueinthegulag: 😬 13:30:43 But you're asking for the impossible... so I'm trying to figure out how you can adapt what you're doing to the limitations of your tools. 13:31:53 MoneroLover, I could also just say, "no impossible" 13:32:03 if you need a 0.01 second granularity then it sounds like your trying to do high frequency trading 13:32:51 would it be a problem to run wallet-rpc on same wallet but different filename? 13:34:33 I've never even tried that. 13:36:08 i think that was recommended here a few days ago 13:37:21 all instances should then get the same informations and see all transactions because they have all the keys 13:37:28 if your application calls getbalance 109 times per second there is something wrong with the application 13:37:35 :) 13:37:38 ^^^ 13:38:09 That's not what he wants to hear selsta 13:38:25 Please don't investigate. 13:40:09 Are you two working for FinCEN or Treasury department? 13:40:33 first you say not possible and now it's possible 13:40:56 you guys remind me of this reddit fake bots 13:41:12 Whatever buddy, you're the one here asking for help. 13:41:51 doesn't mean you have to be too much curious 13:41:56 isn't monero about privacy? 13:42:03 the fuck 13:42:06 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem 13:42:30 Can't answer a question without knowing what the problem is. 13:42:52 Do you think that you are too intelligent to be in a cult? Then I would encourage you to look into how any other cult works. They aren't populated by stupid people. Aum Shinrikyo was almost exclusively university professors and graduates. For Pete's sake - they had the know-how and means to make WMDs. 13:42:52 As to Monero, I would encourage you to look at Jonestown mass-suicide. You know why Jones killed them all? Because he was afraid he is loosing control over them. People like that will burn everything around them rather than give up control. Being smart doesn't make you immune to being in a cult. This is the most valuable lesson Monero taught me. 13:43:05 MoneroLover you probably need to call https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html#incoming_transfers 13:43:17 instead of calling get_balance for every subaddress 13:45:11 tnx for suggestion, will come handy actually forgot about it 13:45:41 ? 13:47:31 sech1: could Mochi101 perhaps leverage `"tx-notify" , "Run a program for each new incoming transaction, '%s' will be replaced by the transaction hash" `? (i'm not familiar with it) 13:47:54 although I'd guess if it's an actual fork & exec under the hood, that'd be expensive for what they're trying 13:49:34 Didn't sound to me like he was doing incoming payments... get_balance he said. 13:49:55 With so little information... 13:50:12 get_balance only changes wit incoming payments. Assuming that he know when he spends :D 13:51:09 sech1, the way I understood it was that all his users would want to see the balance of the wallet. 13:51:16 An audit. 14:06:15 What is everyone heres opinion about moneros blocktime? 14:07:39 it's ok? 14:08:46 It seems to be just fine - but it might become an issue in the future if block sizes increase a lot 14:09:38 Inge-: in what way? 14:10:29 bigger blocks = more to verify, more to propagate = increases chances of orphan blocks 14:10:54 Monero used to have 1 minute blocktime, but increased it to 2 - AFAIK to reduce orphan rate 14:12:23 Network speeds will continue to increase along with blocksize 14:12:28 This is a non-issue 14:15:08 To paraphrase articmine the 1MB bitcoin block in 2009 is equivalent to 55MB today 14:17:45 it's pretty crazy that one can now get 1GiB up and down for CAD $50 in toronto 14:17:47 w/ no extra fees 14:17:54 I stand by my statement 14:17:57 .shrug 14:23:33 What about people who aren't in major metropolitan areas with the latest infrastructure though? 14:31:10 That is a very important consideration, however i think that there should be an assumed rate of improvement (which can be debated) of bandwith and power and the network shouldnt have to gimp itself to accomodate those running on a pi for example 14:32:08 * That is a very important consideration, however i think that there should be an assumed rate of improvement (which can be debated) of bandwith and power so the network shouldnt have to gimp itself to accomodate those running on a pi for example 14:33:34 I don't think you can confidently claim that an explosive growth in usage and the subsequent growth rate could not in some scenarios lead to an increased orphan rate with the current block time. 14:33:44 growth rate of block sized* 14:45:32 You are right, its just that i am just ultra paranoid of monero ending up like btc 14:46:37 you mean it beeing worth >60k$? :D 14:48:10 hehehe 14:49:21 charolastra_: i wish😂, at 60k probably a lot of people in here would be spening a lot more time on yachts 14:49:21 I just meant the unwillingness of btc to adapt to the demand on the network 14:49:28 * charolastra_: i wish😂, at 60k probably a lot of people in here would be spening a lot more time on yachts 14:49:28 I just meant the unwillingness of btc to adapt to the demand on the network 14:50:49 I really believe that monero will be adopted on a large scale in the future 14:53:33 i love monero and was thinking monero is top #1 14:53:44 but then reconsidered and it should be just as equal as bitcoin 14:53:46 1 - 1 14:53:50 as privacy is important 14:53:56 transparency is also important 14:54:27 30k usd each 14:56:09 usernetinternet[: i know i would :D 14:57:02 i think the fear is unfounded as long as not the whole dev team is hired by an investment company which is controlled by the big banks 14:57:07 * usernetinternet[ uploaded an image: (73KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/OcFgnJRxAIrxheDPICJmZxhE/1618242924415.jpg > 14:57:13 Lol pic related 14:57:32 usernetinternet[: There is a natural progression to less flexibility to change as a network grows in size/value and ages ... 14:58:04 charolastra_: i have faith monero devs wont sell out, after all a lot are anon 14:58:46 However, there is also an understanding in the Monero community that the fight for privacy might not actually end - so there is likely more allowance for hardforks from time to time to fight for better privacy 14:58:46 Inge-: that is what i fear 14:59:07 An interesting balance to make in the future, for sure 14:59:37 usernetinternet[: exactly. and they better stay that way or they end up like the TrueCrypt guy 14:59:43 so far, the community, devs, core, researchers, miners have found overwhelming support for the chosen path 14:59:54 What happened with the truecrypt guy? 15:00:26 someone payed him a visit and after that he stopped the project 15:00:45 fill in the blanks 15:00:56 MoneroLover: transparent ledgers are fun for writing messges on😋 15:02:28 Hi, I'm looking for you. https://tekeho.page.link/VA8FvTMqjywmJ5NYA 16:34:56 Why does the Saviour of NASA take a group achievement award and present it as a proof of individual glory? https://twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683 16:45:48 Why are people like alex gladstein so blind to bitcoins privacy issues 16:50:19 greed 16:51:27 “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair 16:51:27 But it's easy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w 16:54:45 rupee: line go up 16:54:45 Quotes how i felt trying to understand monero with a bio background 16:56:24 * rupee: line go up 16:56:24 Quotes how i felt trying to understand monero with a bio background 16:56:36 * rupee: line go up 16:56:36 Quotes: how i felt trying to understand monero with a bio background 17:04:20 Is ETH a shitcoin? 17:06:17 i say no 17:06:38 but not converting some of your token gains to monero is pretty shitty! 17:06:39 :p 17:16:13 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-14/ecb-says-public-values-privacy-above-all-in-digital-euro-project 17:16:15 :thonkang: 17:17:48 contrast that with https://twitter.com/zndtoshi/status/1382311388618633222 17:18:25 please, nitter 17:19:13 http://nitter.dark.fail/zndtoshi/status/1382311388618633222 17:35:46 Ethereum is just a platform. Platforms are usually not shit in and of themselves. (There are exceptions, e.g. Windows.) 18:02:22 ethereum is only good because it has link and pnk 18:21:05 Inge-: what a disgusting man 18:22:22 charolastra: what? the truecrypt guy was the one paying people visits 18:22:48 wait what? 18:22:54 he did get arrested, yes 18:23:00 but for murdering like a dozen people 18:23:11 and got like a decade or two 18:25:01 he got 25 years, for murdering seven people and various other crimes 18:30:29 hey 18:30:51 moenrod status getting stuck 18:30:54 only showing version 18:31:00 nvm 18:31:04 ssh lag or something 18:31:15 99.6% sync 18:31:19 uptime 23h lol 18:31:23 going on day 3 18:32:31 moen-rod, that's a new one 18:33:48 lol typo 18:33:50 monerod 18:35:03 how about monEURo 18:35:59 Inge-: this guy looks like the sterotypical greedy banker from political cartoons 18:36:05 moe~nero 18:36:51 Its obvious that they will just rip off some blockchain and centralize it and add the ability to freeze and steal peoples funds 18:37:07 Probably wont even give the seedphrase too lol 18:42:08 then they won't need a blockchain 18:46:48 yanmaani: the first speculation here: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/05/bombshell-truecrypt-advisory-backdoor-hack-hoax-none-of-the-above/ 18:47:05 wasn't talking about Paul Le Roux 19:20:30 No, but it is not good either. 19:25:09 ETH is centralized IMO. 19:27:23 * usernetinternet[ < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/SOpxbpDRYpAoZGHCMHlCmtgw/message.txt > 19:35:46 does the creator of xmrig talk in this sevrer 19:38:35 <@jj1013.:privacytools.io> No,"> IIRC, I read that Ethereum has a central server where all of the nodes are listed. Is that FUD? 19:39:12 > <@usernetinternet:matrix.org> There are 6k+ eth nodes, probably like 3k on monero 19:39:12 * IIRC, I read that Ethereum has a central server where all of the nodes are listed ─ something like Electrum, which means the nodes do not work without the central server. Is that FUD? 19:47:35 19:25 < isitgay[m]> ETH is centralized IMO. 19:47:37 How so? 19:47:42 I'm curious about this statement. 19:49:12 Does a node have to be centrally listed? That seems odd. 19:49:47 . . . or do they just get centrally listed somehow by detecting their traffic on the network, or what? 19:51:33 jj1013.: they probably mean that there is lots of eth nodes on AWS 19:58:19 > AWS 20:02:38 ETH nodes are soo long to Sync, have tried many times in the past so that reduce the number of people that can run a node 20:19:51 fluffypony, have you seen this? https://www.coinpower.nl/product/2703500/coinpower-monero-crypto-watch 20:20:48 ugliest thing ive ever seen 20:22:15 I wonder where they get them done. 20:22:58 full stop implies u know its shina 20:24:18 It's a novelty item. 20:24:28 What he hell is that smart contract thing about? 20:24:45 I'm not sure why you need a smart contract to buy a watch. 20:25:01 I'd much rather have a roll of these: https://www.goldeneaglecoin.com/item/1-oz-silver-bullion-cryptocurrency-monero-round-999-fine 20:26:16 Was anybody able to get some of these? They've been out of stock for ages. 20:26:20 It doesn't even seem to say anything about whether it's hand-wound, battery-powered, or what. 20:26:25 Did I skim the wrong part? 20:26:39