00:32:24 whats the piratecoin shit 00:32:32 I'm seeing it around 00:32:48 whats the monero IRC consesus on pirate coin 00:34:18 the website makes me think shitcoin but curious if theres actually anything here 00:35:20 I don't know anything about it. I haven't even seen mention of it except here. 00:35:34 Hello my friends! Claim up to US $24 in coupons now! 00:35:34 Your $24 in coupons are here! 00:35:34 https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0XtOXd Not spam, not virus, just coupons! ;) 00:36:10 It looks like a fork of bitcoin/zcash or whatever using zk-snarks but just forced private transactions 00:36:24 instead of letting people choose between public/private like zach 00:47:35 At 7tps bitcoin could facilitate 1 transaction every 35 years if everyone in the world tried to send 1 transaction 00:47:37 NOT SPAM! (Says the spammer) 00:47:45 Literally 1 transaction a generation 00:48:16 is zk-snarks something monero could/should leverage? 00:48:20 what'd the tradeoff be? 00:49:11 (yes, looks scammy AF, but, is there something in it that could make monero even better?) 00:52:25 I'm not technically knowledgeable enough to say if monero should implement zk-snarks or not but the other technology within monero beyond the encryption also makes it valuable imo 00:52:55 god i miss xmr.to 00:52:57 randomx mining, dynamic block sizes, very low tx fees, 02:03:09 Someone help.me 02:08:24 What help do u need? 02:24:29 gingeropolous: rpc-ssl disabled args seemed to improve the situation. no more restarts in crontab - thanks 02:42:36 Jw.org 02:54:36 Hi! I was wondering if anyone could help me out? I accidentally sent some monero to possibly one of my old addresses. Its showing "Waiting confirmation." 02:55:24 Do you have access to this address? 02:55:25 0/10 confirmations after ~50 minutes. Am i outta luck or will it cancel itself eventually? 02:55:40 No i do not. I don't believe its a live address anymore 02:56:18 i copied and pasted it from my "exodus" wallet but it never sent properly. I went back to exodus and its now showing a different ID 02:56:49 I believe in daemon use the following command.... flush_txpool 02:57:37 would this be a good guide to use? 02:57:38 my daemon is not currently runnung so can't check the help menu 02:57:38 https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/1596/transaction-stuck-as-pending-in-monero-wallet-cli 02:57:50 I typically use gui but will switch to CLI 02:58:18 the gui uses the same daemon 02:58:44 oh I see 02:59:00 those instructions are for CLI wallet as well 02:59:11 that should work 06:26:44 Do you think that you are too intelligent to be in a cult? Then I would encourage you to look into how any other cult works. They aren't populated by stupid people. Aum Shinrikyo was almost exclusively university professors and graduates. For Pete's sake - they had the know-how and means to make WMDs. 06:26:44 As to Monero, I would encourage you to look at Jonestown mass-suicide. You know why Jones killed them all? Because he was afraid he is loosing control over them. People like that will burn everything around them rather than give up control. Being smart doesn't make you immune to being in a cult. This is the most valuable lesson Monero taught me. 06:34:20 smart people often think theyre smarter than they are - buffet 06:34:21 Bro it's a 6 billion dollar cryptocurrency. Not a fuckn suicide calt 07:42:13 where is this monero cult and how do i sign up 07:45:13 shabash, sorry. We can't provide you with that information, the cult is private and anonymous. 07:45:13 kwk 07:45:14 kek even lol 07:45:28 is there any kool aid left or am i too late? 07:45:33 SAME 07:46:32 ndorf, we can't tell you how much (or if any) Kool-Aid is left - amounts are hidden. 07:47:02 monero almost doubled since i last bought 07:47:40 Mochi101: of course you can tell me. if they weren't hidden, i wouldn't have to ask 07:47:50 you just need to sign a proof with your kool key. 07:48:39 .faucet 07:48:40 h​mmp: How many digits do humans norm​ally have on 1 hand 07:48:45 5 07:48:45 hmmp: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000029 XMR to hmmp [c7c0e7ec] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01598957 07:49:33 Bill48105, maybe it should use Monero trivia as a Captcha 07:49:37 :P 07:49:47 minko.to used to do that 07:49:58 F 07:50:59 i said it before but i miss xmr.to 07:51:50 they were legends 08:00:05 Have you ever tried monero.win ? 08:00:45 looks completely different 08:01:17 It's a different game. 08:01:33 not useful 08:01:44 why? 08:01:55 Win Monero by guessing what the last digit of the next Monero block hash will be! 08:02:10 do you know what xmr.to was 08:02:17 plinko 08:02:23 oooh 08:02:24 oops 08:02:25 lol 08:02:29 brain fart 08:02:53 the captcha questions could be anything 08:03:06 technically could be channel specific 08:03:15 That was some serious wire-crossing... sorry shabash 08:03:35 Bill48105, yeah 08:09:06 i actually added a bunch of new ones today 08:23:47 Right on Bill48105, glad you're still working on it. 08:23:50 .faucet 08:23:51 Mo​chi101: How ma​ny letters in SOON 08:23:53 4 08:23:54 Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000014 XMR to Mochi101 [22ac9aaa] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01598817 08:24:07 .balance 08:24:08 Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000014 XMR (≈0 USD) 08:24:12 hehehe 08:24:21 .tip Wallet all 08:24:21 Mochi101: Ooops! Not enough in your balance.. 08:24:29 I'll wait. 08:24:31 .faucet 08:24:33 ​azy: 2, 4​, __, 8 08:24:38 6 08:24:38 azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000019 XMR to azy [f41a6730] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01598627 08:24:43 .balance 08:24:43 azy: • Your balance is: 0.0001808 XMR (≈0.06 USD) 08:24:52 oooh... very difficult ones now bi 08:24:57 Bill48105, 08:25:09 yeah it even tried to trick me with the double _ 08:25:13 sneaky bastard 08:25:58 jeese! 08:26:46 i wonder if there's some children's learning tool that could be scraped, like a list of objects and their typical colours 08:26:53 what colour is a leaf? green 08:26:56 Bill48105, maybe you should do stuff like "Walk to the bathroom and touch the doorknob." 08:27:32 Of course, without verification. 08:36:45 You will DO what Monero tells you to do. You will JUMP when you are told to jump. And most importantly you will DISCONNECT whoever Scientology^H^H^H^H^H I mean Mnero tells you to disconnect. Otherwise you WILL end up like lh1008 here: 08:36:46 monerologs.net/monero-community/20210114#c181614 And you will do it all for FREE. Because Monero is open souce :D Just like Linux is there to pay for $700k watches that Torvalds wears. 08:40:31 Did you know that all witdraw-buyer-seller-depoist chains are trackable in Monero? No? You should have read Breaking Monero. How many people are you endangering with your 'privacy' coin? 09:09:38 “I thought, ‘I’m going to pump it and dump it,’ because I was interested and taking the ideas and implementing them in bitcoin. The bitcoin code base was far more interesting to me than monero, and I thought, ‘I’m not going to work on this codebase, it’s terrible,'” he recalls - fluffypony in an interview about Monero 09:16:57 Pamp eet 09:24:29 i wonder who's behind all of these spooky messages 09:47:43 needmoney90: Let me quote your hero. 'How do I ban FUK? AAAHHHH I don't remember. youtube.com/watch?v=mdLfkhxIH5Q Keep tryin' champion. 09:49:24 ouch 09:54:38 Why does the Saviour of NASA take a group achievement award and present it as a proof of individual glory? twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683 10:25:55 oh new text. 11:54:11 Norwegian police are trying to flag a BTC address for containing proceeds of crime. That's the second time they have done it. 11:56:55 I know a wallet that has 1600 btc in it, directly related to stolen trades.... 11:57:22 can't one trace the IP addresses of unique transactions? 11:57:28 how extensive is the blockchain explorer? 11:57:31 not from the chain 11:57:41 if there is some possible way I would love to know. 11:58:04 because if I can correlate it to two phone numbers I'd have about 3 vectors pointing to a specific county in Miami... 11:58:53 you'd need to be the exchange 11:59:04 or have access to their info 11:59:32 I think you would have had to get some investigation to look at internet traffic metadata at the time the tx was submitted - and it would depend on how they submitted it. e.g. a big diff between sending a tx from your local client to some public node (that node then has the IP the tx came from), versus someoen using TOR and a tx-ppushing service ... 12:21:31 * pixelized[m] uploaded an image: (2KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/nZeiMlRUpajUgZZHRSTqDZJJ/image.png > 12:21:45 you guys checking doged 12:21:55 i knew ripple was beginning to sink and doge was spiking. damn it. 12:22:14 no but those trades did not occur on an exchange 12:22:26 they were private transactions its odd that one can't trace IP addreses of BTC transactions on the explorer? 12:22:36 honestly, that's odd. How "open ledger" is that really? 12:35:00 Do you also secretly wisth your mother was Howard's groupie? https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/bxl87y/it_has_been_a_5_years_since_monero_was_released/eq7qior/ 12:37:00 Anybody around with some free time on their hands to help beta-test my new testnet-only Monero learner's web wallet and give some feedback? https://monerotech.info/Wallet 12:40:29 send me testnet coins 9zc8jHTSjSZL3jdrpo2vpYj6StchMJ8DvF11Au81TiYJegYAfEjRtbZgxm2tL8VzkqVBYoA9ucRjFG4TZhmBggtvHYV324a 12:40:59 What do you need help with rbrunner ? 12:42:36 Basically as I wrote: Beta testing - does the damn stuff work? And feedback - what is confusing, what is nice, what would you like to change, what are you missing 12:43:08 You need a faucet. 12:43:16 :D 12:43:17 Testnet coins on their way, will arive over the next 3 blocks, with 3 outputs each. 12:43:37 Faucet. I got your stinking faucet :) Menu point "Request funds" 12:44:25 received 12:45:04 Alright, good 12:45:58 oh I see your faucet. 12:46:14 pretty stingy 12:46:21 .1 max? 12:46:46 I'm so poor that I can't even be testnet rich... 12:46:52 Yes, every 5 minutes. 12:47:51 Maybe I am too pessimistic now, but I want to be ready for people who want to do mischief like emptying the faucet, or even attack outright 12:48:13 Like our "Howard's groupie" friend above. 12:48:32 This is for educational purposes? 12:48:37 Yes, mostly. 12:49:02 xmr.to rate limits their faucet based on ip address and wallet address (I think) 12:49:05 But I guess it can come handy also for some tests, with that faucet for example. Or test transactions with several outputs. 12:49:41 Yes, there are certainly other ways to limit. 12:50:02 require a selfie of the person claiming from the faucet while they hold up personal documents 12:50:11 But it's mostly symbolic, with Monero's high divisibility you can do much already with 0.1 XMR 12:50:28 rbrunner, maybe have 'hover over' explanations for everything. 12:50:50 So if you hover over 'locked balance' it explains why it's locked and stuff. 12:51:15 and if you hove over 'explore' is explains a bit about seeing your tx on the chain 12:51:23 That's an idea. I have now this (i) links, and I can certainly make more of them. 12:51:38 I seen those... do people actually click them? 12:51:42 :D 12:51:47 Roger, over. 12:52:05 Over what? 12:52:24 rbrunner, the thing about the (i) thing is that it opens in another tab 12:52:27 Over Under, Roger. 12:52:35 annoying as FUK 12:53:04 Yeah, but this way I don't have to worry about mobile which has no hoover. 12:53:05 You're using jquery anyways... 12:53:21 Yes, but only very sparingly. 12:53:27 I see 12:53:55 And the explanations themselves can have links again without problems. 12:54:08 But I will think about it. 12:54:57 Even moneromooo could have a look, over tor, and with JavaScript off :) 12:55:54 * moneromooo takes some time from testing fire propagation to check it out 12:56:37 Just the auto-refresh on the wallet page does not work with JavaScript off 12:57:15 Fire propagation, as in "burn down those spammers" :) 12:57:56 Show wallet config doens't do anything AFAICT. 12:58:10 No, in-game fire special event :) 12:58:15 Do you already have a wallet open? 12:58:21 I created one. 12:58:25 Not open I guess. 12:58:40 Should be open after create ... 12:58:45 Nope, nothing. 12:58:53 Gets me the main page. 12:59:09 Oh, you might need cookies ? 12:59:25 Yes, for the session management, and keeping track about open wallets. 12:59:56 That's a bit much, working on top of it all also without any cookies :) 13:00:11 Ah yes, I get a new page after create now. 13:00:35 But nice test of course, did not have the idea myself to test with cookies forbidden 13:04:25 Receiced 2 hours ago, sounds a bit much, even with 2min/30s, which would mean 30 min, I creted it like 5 minutes ago. 13:04:33 (in show outputs) 13:08:20 The wallet is trying to steal your funds moneromooo 13:08:51 :o 13:09:47 rbrunner, maybe have a link that makes a tx from the wallet to some other 'house' wallet. 13:10:12 Or provide a house address that the user can send to. 13:10:25 instead of having to create two wallets and transfer between them. 13:11:11 Would you see that as usefule? Just to see how outgoing transactions look, then, right? 13:11:57 yes 13:12:16 Maybe not useful for us... but someone who is totally new... probably. 13:14:17 Alright, no problem to add such an address to the address selector on the "Make transaction" page 13:35:12 any globee customer here ? 13:49:30 look at DOGE vs XRP. total interlaced pump n dump 13:52:16 If your looking for a crypto cult go onto twitter and search #bitcoin 16:05:53 usernetinternet: It's a bot made by a bunch of butt hurt people, don't bother even interacting with those. 16:23:02 Where would you recommend buying Monero from? Or should I buy another crypto then convert? 16:23:41 cryptonewb69: kraken 16:27:39 Will Monero go up 10x in a week like Doge? 16:28:32 no 16:28:50 yes, but only for a split second, and everyone will assume somebody fat-fingered an order 16:31:00 Should I buy Ethereum or Tron? 16:32:11 kek 16:32:19 what a question 16:32:20 Buy Doge 16:32:43 yes, buy into the pump and eventual crash :p 16:32:48 I don't want to lose all my money. 16:33:01 buy high, sell low 16:33:29 Is it a bad idea to hold Monero? 16:33:45 yes, terrible 16:33:53 buy cripple instead... 16:34:35 What about Binance Coin? 16:34:52 Or Ethereum Classic? 16:34:53 sure, buy it all... 16:34:56 that too 16:35:01 Surely these are good investments. 16:35:02 buy a lot of it 16:35:09 the very best 16:35:11 go nuts 16:37:07 is this really the peak? I was planning for a bit longer but I guess it's time 16:38:15 Mate: Yes it's the peak, what are you selling into? 16:38:41 The peak of the bullrun 16:38:49 not monero 16:38:52 why is their price talk in this channel 16:39:00 there 16:39:18 Look at the history it's all just spam at this point 16:39:29 didn't used to be 16:39:32 so sad 16:39:40 new people flooding in from twitter and youtube, complete mess 16:39:57 there is monero-markets for price talk 16:40:51 This is how you know a coin is about to take off. 16:42:29 "The team is awash with money, paying no attention to price" 16:55:49 Have any of you used localmonero? What is it like buying XMR from there? 16:58:09 nc1236[m]: i've sold monero there a few times for uk bank transfer. works pretty well, but if you're buying people might ask to see some proof of id :/ 17:00:26 Asking for proof of ID for Monero seems insane. 17:00:31 +1 - kyc started being a thing for most vendors ... 17:00:40 "Hi. I don't get this Monero thing. Show me your ID so I can get out." 17:01:18 "I'm unloading this cryptocurrency because it doesn't act like BTC or a pump-and-dump coin." 17:01:37 That's my guess about requiring ID to buy Monero in localmonero. 17:01:49 That, or feds, I guess. 17:04:15 Interesting 17:05:14 Yeah, that kind of defeats the whole purpose of localmonero. If I want to get KYC'd I'll go to Kraken or something 17:05:27 at least I'll be getting fair prices there 17:06:26 if I ever sell XMR on localmonero, I won't be requiring ID unless I'm absolutely required to 17:09:47 nc1236[m]: You should sell some Monero to me in person, then. 17:10:43 This there is a bisq fork in the works 17:11:01 Yeah, Haveno. 17:11:08 or something like that 17:11:22 Should be ready in time for the bear 17:11:39 I'm interested in ways to get from cash to Monero without any financial tracking to tie it all together. That seems like a fun game. 17:11:57 RAR, BEAR 17:12:49 I have seen many people start to work on Haveno since it was announced 17:13:05 i donated an undisclosed amount lmao 17:13:15 Me2 17:13:19 You could donate to my nonprofit association. 17:13:26 bisq devs refuse to listen to the community, so now we' 17:13:31 * bisq devs refuse to listen to the community, so now we're taking matters into our own hands 17:13:40 great 17:13:41 how so? 17:14:06 Should have a better idea of timeframe at nect meeting in <2weeks 17:14:34 *next 17:16:00 why does haveno not have the git history from bisq? :( 17:17:04 asy we talked about this already :DD 17:17:12 I'd like to see haveno either get rewritten with a better license or changed to include a library with an incompatible license. 17:17:19 selsta: i missed it ;_; 17:17:23 just for fun 17:20:20 People actually sell their Monero? 17:21:27 people buy many thing with monero, if you know what I mean 17:22:45 Mochi101: How could you buy it if someone wasn't selling? 17:23:50 shorters keep a lid on the price so others get a chance to buy in 17:29:41 this is not financial advice 17:30:34 mentioned this issue X hours ago 17:30:47 is there a way to prevent this spam? 17:31:04 guess you can't keep people from forking your repo... 17:31:22 no 17:31:28 we can only block them 17:31:38 People shouldn't be upset about forks. 17:31:56 Either they're good, and maybe the original can benefit from it, or they're bad, and it doesn't matter. 17:32:11 apotheon: we are talking about spammers 17:32:25 that use cross repo linking to spam the repo 17:32:27 I'm not sure how forking a repo is related to spammers, but okay. 17:32:32 Oh, I see. 17:32:37 Yeah, that does seem annoying. 17:32:43 Okay, forget what I said. 17:33:47 .usd 17:33:54 spam and bot detection is still very primitive on the web 17:34:57 hello looking for help regarding  my monero gui wallet. I'm a noob and sent money to my wallet despite not understanding how to get the daemon to fully download. 17:34:57 But it's easy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w 17:36:05 stuckdaemon: by "daemon to fully download" do you mean downloading and syncing the blockchain? 17:36:14 You run it, and you let it run. If you have a HDD, it may be a week. If you have a HDD, it will be a few hours, maybe up to half a day. 17:36:14 yes! 17:36:32 You need ~100 GB for the chain, unless you set it to prune, in which case you need ~35 GB. 17:36:55 You probably want to use --use-dns-blocklist to avoid getting snared in sybils. 17:37:05 stuckdaemon, your XMR is still there... nothing to worry about. 17:37:23 When you're all synced up it'll show in your wallet. 17:37:44 the last time it got set up fully, it never synced either so I was also worried about that and if anyone knew how to fix that 17:37:57 oi it's synchronized right now! just checked 17:38:19 Wallet still says XMR 0 17:38:55 It might do that if your refresh-from-block-height is set after your original tx. Which it should not be, but it looks like it's a common problem. 17:39:07 Should be somewhere in the options, I believe. 17:39:13 17:36 < moneromooo> You run it, and you let it run. If you have a HDD, it may be a week. If you have a HDD, it will be a few hours, maybe up to half a day. 17:39:18 That second use of HDD should be SSD. 17:39:25 moneromooo: where can I see the dns blocklist? 17:39:26 Oh yes, thanks. 17:39:28 (just to help clear up confusion for the new user) 17:39:46 dig -t TXT blocklist.moneropulse.se 17:40:11 Wait. That ain't working. Gimme a min... 17:40:32 is that blocklist domain hardcoded? 17:40:36 apotheon okay thank you:)   and moneromooo What do you mean but refresh from block height? 17:41:34 stuckdaemon: your wallet has to scan the blockchain to find transactions that belong to it 17:41:44 if you scan from a date past a transaction, it won't find it 17:41:45 dig -t txt blocklist.moneropulse.net 17:41:46 workse for me 17:42:03 Ah okay, that makes sense. I'll search for a refresh button of sorts 17:42:11 .se works too 17:42:22 Oh, ok. It's not hardcoded, it's on DNS records. 17:42:32 My DNS probably borked then. 17:43:04 >It is not recommended unless in emergency situations. 17:43:08 do we have an emergency? 17:43:19 where does it say that? 17:43:37 https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monerod-reference/ 17:44:02 that's the opinion of the author IMO 17:44:31 you don't have to use it and we have no emergency situation 17:44:51 It works on some VMs, not others... 17:44:53 but the block list contains known malicious / spy nodes that log IP addresses so IMO there is nothing wrong with always blocking them 17:46:26 should I change out-peers or keep the default? 17:47:56 I run my nodes with default 17:58:32 +1 18:11:30 i hate my life 18:11:37 left scp running overnight transferring the blockchian 18:11:40 why? 18:11:41 came back right now to check 18:11:45 lost connection at 60% 18:11:57 doing rsync now 18:12:04 so i dont go full retard again and want to kill myself 18:12:14 you were transferring the file over? 18:12:17 yes 18:12:24 from my laptop to a server 18:12:24 pruned or full? 18:12:27 full 18:12:43 scp hey 18:12:46 can't you resume a partial scp transfer? 18:12:46 :D 18:12:57 Why didn't you just set up FTP? 18:13:18 idk i asked here they said use scp or rsync lol 18:13:18 bleh 18:13:30 scp is deprecated according to openssh devs 18:13:34 use sftp or rsync 18:13:43 yeah im using rsync now 18:13:54 so even if the connection drops 18:13:57 hopefully it will work fine 18:14:43 idk im new to this shit 18:35:15 lol Mochi101 wonder how many people would really go touch the doorknob 18:36:37 That's quite the lag you have Bill48105. 18:41:25 .val xmr 18:41:26 abcdefg_irssi: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈338.34 • ccc/Kraken: ≈$338.17 24HΔ: -0.96% Vol: 34.77K [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$338.5 24HΔ: -0.35% 7DΔ: 20.68314% [< 10m] 18:42:44 .val doge 18:42:44 Mochi101: DOGE -> USD • Avg: ≈$0.339 • altm: 0.24583935 Vol: 20.89K 24HΔ: +68.78% [0m] • ccc/binanceusa: ≈$0.3349 24HΔ: 122.38% Vol: 5.21B [0m] • cmc: ≈$0.3431 24HΔ: 147.77% 7DΔ: 459.68% [< 11m] 18:43:01 oops 18:43:08 33 cent doge... hahahaha 18:46:19 33? Is it down? 18:46:28 It was 36 last I saw. 18:49:29 Dumping 18:49:44 yeah... I more or less just made a point of saying it out loud in case someone isn't paying attention in here and has massive bags of it. 18:49:45 .val doge 18:49:45 fibonacci: DOGE -> USD • Avg: ≈$0.3396 • altm: 0.24583935 Vol: 20.89K 24HΔ: +68.78% [0m] • ccc/binanceusa: ≈$0.3361 24HΔ: 123.17% Vol: 5.23B [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$0.3431 24HΔ: 147.77% 7DΔ: 459.68% [< 18m] 18:49:59 .val bch 18:49:59 fibonacci: BCH -> USD • Avg: ≈1069.07 • ccc/binanceusa: ≈$1083.14 24HΔ: 28.6848% Vol: 481.57K [< 2m] • cmc: ≈$1054.99 24HΔ: 25.83036% 7DΔ: 64.83949% [< 19m] 18:50:09 .xmr 18:50:10 fibonacci: ≈$338.7802 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 18:50:48 I have about six cents of Dogecoin, apparently. 18:51:20 Kinda regret not saving that 13 million coins 18:52:34 Regret is growing on me tho.. it's kinda fun now 18:52:40 hmm 18:52:44 shoulda given it to me 18:53:05 I'd give some back as a thank-you at this point. 18:53:14 Cashcoin was a better project anyway just not as profitable 18:53:40 And losing everything builds character 18:53:55 Yea that's it.. 18:53:57 I have too much character. 18:54:21 Maybe I should trade some for millions of dollars. 18:54:31 . . . and spend much of that on Monero. 18:54:58 I'm waiting for the next crash. It should be fun. 18:57:51 Don't forget to Fomo... crash may never come 19:00:35 har 19:00:48 There's always a crash. The question is whether it'll drop below 60K USD. 19:01:10 I'd love to wonder whether monero will ever drop below 60k USD. 19:01:17 har 19:01:34 I just use BTC USD valuation as my proxy for "the cryptocurrency market". 19:01:42 hypes and panics 19:01:47 It's a game, unlike Monero. 19:07:04 yesterday: doge is dead 19:07:04 now: should have invested in doge 19:08:12 yesterday: Dogecoin is annoying. 19:08:24 today: Dogecoin is annoying and worth a lot more. 19:08:35 doge is designed for hyperinflation lol 19:08:55 goes to show how insane this market is atm 19:11:56 hi 19:12:24 i am glad to hear that Sarang will be returning to Monero research 19:13:18 It appears that there is almost universal consensus that he focus his efforts on multisig 19:13:46 is this a very hard problem? 19:14:35 anyone know how to setup xmrig on an old samsung s4 19:15:07 TrooperZ: you can compile it in termux but it won't be worth the time 19:15:10 As far as I understand, it's only engineering. 19:15:25 That is, it's known it can be done, and the method is understood. 19:15:41 i mean the phone most likely will draw 5 watts 19:15:59 but yeah ig ur right 19:16:12 i tried getting xmrig running on an intel atom cpu from a 9 year old laptop 19:16:18 0.2 hashes per second 19:17:13 TrooperZ: if you spend the time setting it up at just about any job, you'll have made more money 19:17:18 nice :D i have an old pentium 4 i want to run xmrig on and submit a benchmark for 19:18:01 found this thing today: https://uplexa.com/ 19:18:08 im mining on this i7-5500u laptop, 1kh/s drawing 30 watts 19:18:09 Monero fork for running on IoT devices 19:23:03 who developed that apotheon 19:23:10 somebody 19:23:13 dunno 19:23:21 oh i see they have a team page 19:23:26 https://uplexa.com/team 19:23:34 jesus 19:23:47 V mask for their "lead marketing contributor" 19:24:04 furries on the dev team 19:24:09 does monero have any furries on the dev team 19:24:26 trans furry 19:24:46 nothing wrong with those 19:25:17 uhhh 19:25:41 moneromoo o is a cow if that makes you happy 19:27:14 It's a little weird that the team page is so Twitter-heavy, and that half the core team is LinkedIn-bragging. 19:28:19 I don't give a shit about being a furry. I don't give a shit about being trans (unless it's transhuman, in which case that's kinda cool). I care about the fact that a privacy cryptocurrency is being represented by people advertising themselves on the team page as being a big deal on LinkedIn. 19:29:04 best place to buy with no id verification? 19:29:36 meatspace 19:29:43 depends, though 19:29:56 What do you want to use to buy it -- USD, USDT, BTC . . . ? 19:30:31 xmr, eth, zec 19:30:40 With no ID involved at any step of the way, probably withdraw USD from an ATM then buy Monero in person, in meatspace, with USD. 19:30:44 err 19:30:52 You want to buy XMR with XMR . . . ? 19:31:00 that's ideal 19:31:05 buying xmr with xmr 19:31:09 That's easy. 19:31:10 no need for the meatspace then 19:31:12 right 19:31:16 No, with fiat 19:31:26 fiat in meatspace, then 19:31:39 if tether can buy tether with tether then why not? 19:31:39 Yes! buy tether! Unlimited Tether Works! 19:31:44 most secure against records 19:32:07 other than buying XMR with XMR 19:32:10 apotheon its using a cryptonight algo for mining 19:32:21 In person? 19:32:22 if im not misunderstanding that is not very ASIC resistant or am I wrong 19:32:24 abcdefg_irssi: I don't know much about that. 19:32:46 cryptonewb69[m]: Yeah. Use a localmonero site, I guess, to find someone who wants to deal. 19:32:54 . . . if you can. 19:33:03 You might have to take a road trip, depending on where you are. 19:33:31 There are ways to do it online with minimal risk of being tracked, but I don't know how complicated that gets, and I haven't done it myself. 19:34:13 bisq 19:34:16 you can do bisq 19:34:18 mail cash 19:34:19 If you don't care about someone knowing you acquired Monero, you can just get IDed for the purchase of something like USDT or Ethereum or whatever, then buy Monero, but I get the impression you don't want ID at any step. 19:34:21 same on localmonero 19:34:32 or bank deposit 19:34:36 abcdefg_irssi: Does bisq support cash-by-mail payments? 19:34:40 I believe so 19:34:45 huh 19:34:51 I thought it was just an online swap thing. 19:34:53 I always just did btc > XMR 19:35:07 they have options for in person on bisq but its not used 19:35:12 I see. 19:35:59 What exactly is different about Haveno as opposed to Bisq, by the way? I'm still not clear on the details. 19:36:17 (other than "not released yet", apparently) 19:36:24 I think bisq defaults to BTC swaps 19:36:33 so its based on BTC as in BTC swapping to another crypto 19:36:36 but they offer BTC>XMR 19:36:37 Is the plan for Monero to default to Monero swaps? 19:36:49 I think haveno would be XMR> other cryptos 19:36:56 I see. 19:36:57 I believe so but I'm not positive 19:37:20 I guess that could be useful for cases when some vendor takes some cryptocurrencies, but not Monero. 19:37:29 do people still buy crypto in person? a couple years ago before i knew anything about monero i would meet up with some randos through localbitcion at a starbucks and buy bitcoin with cash. i guess that might be kind of sketchy now but i really wish there is a local monero guy where i am 19:37:48 yeah 19:37:48 yes 19:37:51 I've done it before 19:37:52 I want a local Monero guy. 19:37:53 for large amounts 19:37:57 both ways 19:38:31 old fashion is still mining some shitcoin at your house, then trading that for XMR 19:38:41 when the gov't bans monero i'll need a guy 19:38:44 If you live in the right city its not hard to find people willing to buy crypto for cash 19:38:47 bitcoin at least for sure 19:38:56 monero is a little harder because its not as well known 19:40:05 fellow miners are almost always an option - regardless of the coin they mine, you can usually ask them for a swap 19:40:10 localbitcoins used to have an "in person" tab. it would be so helpful if localmonero has that 19:40:28 I think it does? 19:40:36 When I used it I only did in person 19:40:45 just look for people in your area 19:40:47 abcdefg_irssi: In some ways, I think you mean "if you live in the wrong city", because those cities tend to be places overrun with surveillance, from what I've seen. 19:40:54 apotheon: bisq had btc default trading pair and would not add monero even though it made up the bulk of their volume. You also had to have a security deposit in btc 19:41:12 apotheon sure, but if you don't then there are less people willing to buy/sell crypto for cash 19:41:41 Also they use a token on their site, Haveno will have no token 19:41:53 The in person thing for localmonero is annoying. It only seems to allow for fiat<->Monero. 19:42:02 bobbieweirder if you can't find someone offering monero just buy btc then use bisq to swap to xmr or tradeogre 19:42:13 I mean, that's cool and all, but it'd be nice if it was more flexible. 19:42:16 how do you do that? i am only seeing online offers :/ 19:42:28 apotheon you can contact the seller and see if they will do the trade with you, but you might not be able to use escrow in that case 19:42:32 Choose local 19:42:44 Vs online 19:43:05 nioc: Oh, that BTC security deposit is lame. 19:43:09 Click "all online offers" scroll down to Cash (local) 19:43:23 nioc: oh wow i am an idiot. thank you LOL 19:43:56 Local you put in approximate coordinates 19:44:11 i also idiot 19:44:43 the issue i have with localmonero is most sellers lack the liquidity at least where i am 19:44:52 the demand for buying far exceedes the demand to sell 19:44:57 nobody in my area unfortunately lol it still gets me to mailing cash 19:45:03 and most sell at 5% above market 19:45:27 well youre probably stuck mailing cash unless you wanna btc atm it 19:46:04 i mean they are probably just buying from an exchange and marking it up right? 19:46:17 no 19:46:25 the guy i know doesn't use any KYC exchange at all 19:46:46 they can face a lot of scrutiny 19:48:53 abcdefg_irssi: honestly it even sketches me out if they are really advertising for in person sales. cops can hit them up just as easily as we can and you don't want to get busted like that. i would hate for people to get in trouble selling XMR 19:49:12 Cryptocurrency ATMs in the US require ID, generally. 19:49:19 They certainly do for substantial quantities. 19:49:54 how? 19:49:56 bisq? 19:50:03 mining, probably 19:50:09 👍️ 19:50:11 abcdefg_irssi: even my old BTC guy stopped doing meetups and starting setting up BTC ATMs after a while. it was legitimate and he could mark it up SO MUCH more 19:50:57 he runs into liquidity issues 19:51:02 I don't really ever buy from him 19:51:34 But he is constantly running out 19:52:13 whatever he does its kind of wild 19:54:03 In person is much better 19:54:13 As long as you don't have to deal with someone who asks for IDs 19:54:17 if they ask for an ID i would just walk away 19:55:09 "Do you have an ID ?" "Sure, $3k per ID. Let me see if I5~ have one that looks like you" 19:56:16 right 19:56:38 6XMR per ID 19:56:52 this week 20:04:57 Hey, I've got the monero gui downloaded on my desktop (Mac os 64bit) and I'm having trouble viewing my funds. I sent some bitcoin through fixedfloat and to my monero wallet and I can't seem to get it to show up. I even tried opening the wallet on a different computer in just simple mode. Anyone know what the problem is here? I googled this and I 20:04:58 see I'm not alone 20:05:34 Do you have a txid for the incoming monero ? 20:06:03 Yes! 0b9dba2f0ac3ee408932e18f11699f7382224b0dda27d965d344ce73ac16dd23 20:06:59 Looks like it's mined. Go to options, look for somehting called "refresh from block height" or similar. What value does it have ? 20:07:09 wheremymoney: can you go to Settings -> Info and share your "wallet restore height"? 20:07:15 Might be called something like "restore from height" or the like. 20:07:25 If you really are ultra shizo and want zero trace to monero, buy some bcash on an exchange, do about 50 cash shuffles and cash fusions and then rent some hashpower on an online service to aquire some 20:08:31 selsta: do you know if the GUI just calls the same code as monero-wallet-cli to set this up ? 20:09:11 set up what exactly? 20:09:24 The value of "wallet restore height". 20:10:36 it does not use the same function to approximate the restore height 20:11:02 I have a feeling this question has come up before... 20:11:08 but I have never been able to reproduce the "funds do not show up" issue... 20:11:13 moneromooo I got it!! Thank you so much kind stranger 20:11:19 Nice :) 20:11:54 Do you remember whether you had the daemon up and running when you create that wallet, by any chance ? 20:12:07 And if it was running, was it synced already ? 20:12:16 This will help track down the bug. 20:12:28 during wallet creation the GUI does not connect to the daemon yet so it always approximates the restore height 20:12:34 Ah. 20:12:38 but I don't think that is the issue 20:13:02 usually the reported restore height is fine 20:13:17 dont call me a lag! 20:21:33 moooooooooooo 20:23:07 .val xmr 20:23:07 abcdefg_irssi: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈345.64 • ccc/Kraken: ≈$345.25 24HΔ: -0.31% Vol: 37.1K [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$346.03 24HΔ: 1.04% 7DΔ: 24.04536% [< 8m] 20:23:17 ooooooning 20:38:53 Is there any way to predict if the price of XMR is going to dip? 20:39:01 crystal ball 20:40:18 hehehe 20:40:22 I ask the bot. 20:41:07 .usd 20:42:25 If there was a way, people would front run it up to the point where the price would match the expected price, so the price would quickly get to the future price, thereby negating the possibility. 20:42:29 So, no. 20:43:11 Unless only people who can't trade can. But in that case, those people would sell theit service to people who can for a fee. 20:43:27 Presumably a fee which would be close to what others can extract from such a prediction. 20:43:37 So in that case, it would also moot the possibility. 20:44:18 The only case where it's theoretically possible is in a non free market. Like the govt sets the price, knows what price changes will happen, but will jail anyone who trades based on that knowledge. 20:44:34 Or similar cases ofc. 20:44:45 I was going to see if I should buy some other crypto in exchange of XMR ─ if this is the case I will just keep the dosh. 20:44:52 You're thinking about this too hard, I just flip a coin! One side for go up one side for go down! 20:44:54 Or cases where the party being able to tell cannot affect the market for another reason. 20:44:56 I lost some money in trades anyways. 20:45:09 Everyone does sooner or later. 20:45:52 I thought buying/selling every few days when the price is on a local low/high was clever. Turns out I lost out. 20:46:07 Because of this very reason. I cannot predict long term :) 20:46:08 http://rate.sx/nano 20:46:08 Yay! They list the price of NANO. 20:46:19 The problem is... it's HTTP, not HTTPS. 20:46:44 Yeah, so everyone knows what the price is too. Shame. 20:46:51 Huh... so that's why my dad lost money when trading fiat! 20:46:54 oh noez they're going to mitm you and tell you that nano is actually worth something :D 20:47:41 The only thing going for it is the fees and speed. 20:47:58 meme incoming 20:48:02 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ejTNKVgy/ExNo_bgUcAAgXnQ.jfif 20:48:18 Whee, jfif. Blast from the past... 20:48:41 There's only one way to predict if the price is going to dip... 20:48:53 "Is it monero ? If yes, it will drop." 20:48:54 It's when you have a huge bag of XMR and dump it yourself 20:48:54 Based AFAIK. 20:49:09 Hmm. That's a good point.... 20:49:41 Or when you're an exchange and announce delisting... 20:50:17 ... but then short it, set a buy order low, then long and say "just kidding" ? 20:50:21 Is there any instant non-KYC exchanges out there (crypto-to-crypto)? I may have heard ChangeNow does not need KYC for crypto-to-crypto, but that info may be wrong based on what they did a few months ago. 20:50:54 Also, for anybody who asks how much I will trade, I have less than 10 USD, so nobody will care about my poverty... surely. 20:51:16 tradeogre 20:51:24 idk if you can do less than 10 usd there but i think so 20:51:55 Does that need a registered account? 20:52:44 just email 20:55:53 jj1013.: kucoin 20:56:57 sideshift, pretty good 20:57:00 Makes me think... I had found a site which listed various exchanges with criteria like "does kyc from time to time", etc. Can't recall the URL. Rings a bell ? 20:57:12 Not only exchanges IIRC. 20:57:33 kycnot.me 20:58:02 <[r|y`a_n]> fixedfloat tends to have the best rates 20:58:06 <[r|y`a_n]> no KYC 20:58:08 oooh, that's the one I think, thank you :) 21:00:10 > Enters KuCoin 21:02:56 Some of them scratch "Buy", what does it mean that you can't buy? 21:03:19 <[r|y`a_n]> they are referring to fiat buys 21:03:39 <[r|y`a_n] "they are referring to fiat buys"> Ooo. I see. 21:04:03 Hey, I didn't know LocalMonero needed KYC!!! 21:04:58 localmonero dont, but some sellers ask for it 21:05:00 I think it depends who you trade with. 21:06:14 Ah. 21:06:40 you should move off local monero after the first or second trade with someone amyways 21:06:52 ditch the escrow that charges a fee 21:06:59 unless the person youre dealing with is just a complete scumbag 21:07:05 but then why deal with them 21:07:25 localmonero some sellers want kyc depending on how you buy 21:09:30 Has anybody checked ETH's latest gas fees? 21:09:36 jj1013.: predicting markets is impossible, just find coins with fundamentals - monero having the best in my opinion 21:09:58 Remind you XMR is my main coin, I don't have fiat. 21:10:09 jj1013.: there was a flash crash today, causing a lot of contracts to liquidate 21:10:25 jj1013.: based and bankless pilled 21:11:02 Just read ─ gas fees still are high. 21:11:16 Though I don't remember what was the common one., 21:13:32 Eternally high gas fees 21:14:04 "100 USD fees"... and I have less than quarter of that. 21:14:04 wtf matrix now requires an email to make accounts 21:14:04 God help them. 21:14:15 Yep. 21:14:31 Use the chat.privacytools.io instance. 21:14:33 Easy peasy. 21:17:38 Cool, thanks for sharing. One could also self-host, or get a https://www.freedombox.org/ 21:18:07 Well, strange. Somebody praised Dash for its "stable" price, but it's at 300 USD right now. 21:18:11 What's the deal? 21:20:57 .val xmr 21:20:58 abcdefg_irssi: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈345.95 • ccc/Kraken: ≈$345.95 24HΔ: 0.53% Vol: 37.96K [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$345.94 24HΔ: 0.11% 7DΔ: 23.53789% [< 1h] 21:21:26 It is quite high right now. I remember my money being about 5 USD. 21:21:33 Self hosting is the way to go, spinning up a matrix server is extremely easy 21:21:40 bunch of activity lately 21:21:45 That is why I was talking about trading it away. Because of the spike. 21:26:54 best crypto for investment time of 2 months? about $900 21:27:30 ugh rsync lost connection now idk whats going on with my server 21:27:59 resuming it is just hanging after i verify my ssh key password 21:28:01 not connecting 21:28:12 just sitting there 21:28:13 doing nothing 21:28:19 blankly staring at me 21:46:35 nvm it works now im just impatient 22:36:44 could someone share their thoughts on this 22:43:34 just got a sweet sweet sweet domain 22:43:34 sethsimmons are you fine with it? https://fungibility.fail 22:50:02 I wouldn't get involved in crypto with a 2 month timeframe. It's been a record bullrun where everyone thinks their a genius because they picked anything 22:53:53 sums it up nicely 22:56:15 > <@cirocosta:matrix.org> just got a sweet sweet sweet domain 22:56:16 > sethsimmons are you fine with it? https://fungibility.fail 22:56:16 Oh hell yes, nice find 22:56:33 Would love to use that when I spin up the static site if you don't mind, happy to pay for it 22:57:07 are .fail domains special? 22:57:13 sure! absolutely, I have no use for it 22:58:02 I have my eye on one 22:58:40 I got it through `godaddy`, nothing special, one of those owned by Donuts 22:59:02 see their list https://icannwiki.org/Donuts 22:59:33 thanks for the info 22:59:33 Miners need to set up a service to clean coins. BTC holder makes a tx that includes a small amount of BTC and the amount that he wants cleaned as the TX fee. The TX is announced only to the pool providing the service. Pool includes this TX in a block that it mines and receives the very large TX fee from coinbase. 22:59:51 Pool returns the client the coins less a TX fee... clean coins. 23:00:41 about to buy one for like $3 23:00:49 (the one I was looking at before) 23:03:31 This was not an accident, it was washing BTC: https://news.bitcoin.com/an-unknown-user-incurs-more-than-80000-in-transaction-fees-when-sending-btc-worth-1/ 23:04:36 ouch 23:04:42 You just need to trust that the miner will give you your BTC back. :D 23:05:27 louipc, no ouch... he probably had a deal with the miner and got clean coins back. 23:05:40 that would be cool 23:07:02 Btc maxis only care about line go up 23:07:09 * Btc maxis only care about line go up 23:07:09 They have already sold out to the banks 23:07:15 * Btc maxis only care about line go up 23:07:15 They have already sold out to the banks 23:07:40 * Btc maxis only care about line go up. 23:07:40 They have already sold out to the banks 23:07:48 Don't spam please. 23:08:36 I think you'll see institutional investors start doing stuff like this with teir coins. 23:08:53 "Just making sure they're pristine" 23:08:58 Like refining gold. 23:12:23 Yeah kevin o' something or whatever called bitcoins mined in china 'bloodcoins' 23:12:59 The risk would be that these blocks with huge amounts of TX fees are flagged. And all coinbase coins coming from those blocks are tainted. 23:13:11 I belive 85%+ of bitcoins hashrate is linked to chinese mining farms currently (if u count hong kong as china, which u probably could at this point) 23:13:13 But that just becomes stupidity... and you have a useless currency. 23:13:24 moneromooo: its a flaw in matrix irc bridge.. when someone edits their message it spams IRC 23:14:08 Mochi101: i think rhe biggest attack not mentioned it the fact that because all tx are visible, compliant mining pools can exclude txs 23:14:49 There's a mining operation that will only include certain types of txs already. 23:14:55 Its easy to imagine a world where over 51% of hashrate states they wont mine ontop of blocks with noncompliant txs 23:15:15 It would force even non compliant miners to mine only compliant txs 23:15:56 it'd just fork off at that point. 23:16:34 At this point i fear the complaint one would be considered legit 23:16:45 Who would want to transact on a network like that. 23:16:57 This is one of the main reasons i a so bullish on monero 23:17:43 Mining pools are quickly going to be the avenue of attack 23:18:03 All hashing algorithms are under threat except asic resistant ones 23:18:12 * This is one of the main reasons i am so bullish on monero 23:18:32 * All hashing algorithms are under threat except asic resistant ones are under threat 23:34:00 Call me blackpilled but i really see a time coming where CBDCs destroy the privacy and freedom of all good people of this world 23:34:12 Monero honestly is this worlds only hope 23:35:46 usernetinternet: not blackpilled at all. i think the writing is on the wall 23:36:14 hello 23:36:26 what's a good actual exchange 23:36:36 shapeshift is not what it used to be 23:36:51 bobbieweirder: we can only hope there is a critical mass of people who demand feedom 23:37:41 Ive given over $200 in xmr out to people i have met personally and tried to xmr pill - a lot for me 23:38:06 I have found that giving out like $1 worth for free is the best way to get someone interested 23:38:46 z|bandito: i think the consensus on no KYC from discussion above is bisq or tradeogre 23:39:18 why is monero ocean down? 23:39:45 usernetinternet: someone mentioned on reddit to tip uber drivers and bartenders with paper wallets loaded with XMR 23:41:05 bobbieweirder: best way to introduce somone at a bar is to give them a drinks worth and then have them send it to you 23:41:05 Gives them the impression that it is useable as a currency and only costs you in fiat terms 23:41:22 * bobbieweirder: best way to introduce somone at a bar is to give them a drinks worth and then have them send it to you 23:41:22 Gives them the impression that it is useable as a currency and only costs you in fiat terms 23:41:45 sounds like a cult mate 23:42:27 yanmaani: best way to learn how something works is to let them use it 23:42:59 usernetinternet: send a drinks worth of of xmr? 23:43:16 it sounds way too involved for a bar setting if they don’t already have it set up 23:44:12 honestly at this point i’m even having trouble getting enough XMR for myself. it’s such a pain in the ass to get it 23:44:15 no, to get adoption you need people who have some use for it 23:44:30 the canonical example would be drug markets 23:44:39 also anyone else who gets bothered by Chainalysis etc 23:44:45 bobbieweirder: basically if a drink cost x amount set them up with a wallet with x amount 23:44:45 Then have them send x amound to your walley and then pay for the next drink 23:44:45 Introduces them to using it as a currency, a lot of people still think of crypto as not real currency 23:44:50 introducing it to random people on the street is literal cult behavior 23:44:54 what about godex.io? 23:45:04 thanks for the suggestions 23:45:26 yanmaani: its hard to introduce people to a solution to a problem (chain analysis) when they are unaware of the problem in the 1st place 23:45:46 usernetinternet[: yes, that's why you introduce it to people who have the problem and are aware of it 23:46:04 I tried explaining block timings to some guy who never heard of crypto one time and he thought i was trying to scam him or something 23:46:07 it's like if you've started a web hosting business. you don't hawk it to random people on the street, you go on web hosting forums and make a thread 23:46:28 it's ridiculous to pitch monero to people in a bar, just leave them alone 23:46:36 yanmaani: i think monero needs to be adopted by the avg person 23:47:05 usernetinternet[: yes fine sure, but to do that it first has to be adopted by everyone vaguely technical 23:47:19 the obvious use-cases for a technology is people who have a need for it 23:47:33 (i.e. all web hosting providers who accept crypto, everyone who pays people's wages in it, etc) 23:47:50 yanmaani: everyone needs privacy, even the avg person 23:48:17 usernetinternet[: that's not a valid reason to hassle random strangers in a bar 23:48:47 z|bandito: US? 23:48:53 try kraken 23:48:59 otherwise, try literally anything 23:49:12 tradeogre is crypto to crypto only 23:49:27 if you have crypto and want monero, tradeogre is fine 23:50:36 yea us, kraken says it doesn't need kyc then proceeds to ask for it ... =\ 23:51:31 z|bandito: do you want to exchange fiat? 23:51:43 ultimately yea, not today tho 23:51:54 if you just want crypto -> crypto, use tradeogre 23:52:23 it's been a dumb 24 hours with multiple fiat bank delays and a trip to the dmv plus multiple accounts that don't actually do what i want ;) 23:52:30 yanmaani: its not like im going up to random people and harassing them about xmr, its just that bars are a good place to introduce new people to new ideas 23:52:44 yeah I was gonna hodl my eth and do a buy 23:52:54 but who knows.. maybe i should just play with the eth 23:53:28 z|bandito: nooo that’s what they want! lol 23:53:41 haha 23:54:28 z|bandito: do you have your eth on kraken now? 23:55:21 no 23:56:32 I mined it a couple of years ago and so had a few hoops to jump through to get access back to it 23:57:23 so I could mint nfts ;) https://opensea.io/assets/0x495f947276749ce646f68ac8c248420045cb7b5e/44806948669419487230598389604654756040531305043098385490514501973697565294692 23:57:41 https://youtu.be/UYagQuqK31s reminder this is what the fiat system allows, pyscopaths in gov can kill 500,000 without regret 23:58:13 Monero is the only crypto that can take away power from this mass killers