00:00:08 I know I did that kind of thing early on. And of course it's very easy to forget what harebrained scheme you used originally... 00:00:26 maybe .... Its for 3 years old 00:00:50 The words list is in src/mnemonics/english.h (or other language name). 00:01:26 38 is really far from a seed. Should be 25 (or 24 if really old). 00:01:57 * moneromooo goes graze elsewhere 00:03:02 hey moneromooo, how's it going? 00:03:47 Didn't know the word list was available, thanks I may have used a weird copy or just a copy of it 00:03:51 so, i am working on this one: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/5979 00:03:59 and i am down to the last steps of your instructions blurb there, 00:04:35 i added the new field to the handshake, and using a debug command such as: build/Linux/master/debug/bin/monerod --allow-local-ip --add-exclusive-node 192.168.1.4:18080 --p2p-external-network-address 4.3.2.1 00:04:51 i am able to see that the received ping request does containing the new command line value 00:05:09 so my question is: how do i " - use that IP to add to the peer list instead of always the incoming IP" ? 00:05:35 is that a matter of changing how that "context" object is created, because the code refers to context.remote_address a lot ... 00:05:38 Thanks for your help! 00:06:45 is his he word list? https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/mnemonics/english.h 00:09:23 seems to be it 00:11:39 I didn't add it to my word list since it was full of spaces and other text even though I could've gotten rid of it 00:12:04 Well I won't have a 471k word list but I do have a 470k word list 00:45:05 hi every word is in the word list 00:45:10 still showing that error 00:45:33 electrum style word list failed verification 00:48:01 arent electrum style words 13? 00:48:07 seed keys for electrum 00:48:14 just take the first 13 words or the last 13 words off and try that 00:48:26 maybe you just combined a seed key for your btc and xmr wallets 00:49:17 25+13=38 00:51:42 abcdefg_irssi: "electrum style", not literally electrum seed 01:11:45 its 12 words anyways 01:13:03 Wallet: Wallet 01:13:52 Hi, is there a place to leverage my XMR without KYC? 01:14:52 Define "leverage". 01:14:57 (for these purposes) 01:15:10 I've sold all my assets to buy XMR, still need more Monero. 01:15:13 where can I sell my xmr for $$ 01:15:40 Only way to control more XMR seems to be leverage 01:16:54 newlinux^: exchange 01:18:43 I could put some support under the price for a while, but my assets are 99.9% XMR 01:20:30 newlinux^: localmonero 01:20:57 renom[m]: I still don't know what you want. 01:21:11 "When Monero’s time comes it will be very fast and violently vertical." 01:21:12 -katiecharm 01:21:23 renom[m]: Are you talking about trying to loan XMR for interest payments, or what? 01:21:40 renom[m]: Sell products or services, I guess. 01:21:44 i think u can get 1.87% APY on binance lol 01:21:50 but that is KYC 01:22:07 newlinux^ on kraken 01:22:08 renom[m]: Mine it. 01:22:24 use localmonero though if you can, much better 01:22:27 yep 01:22:28 * volantaryism1[m] < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/JuMpbbEVARYOHqcUcAwqzqIw/message.txt > 01:22:38 Sell it to me, too. 01:23:06 "or crab" . . . hmm 01:23:21 "go sideways" has ominous connotations 01:23:31 My local brewery "bug nutty" is out of .007 01:23:50 I attribute this to Monero. Well done bros 01:24:07 That's their Ipa 01:25:12 Are they selling brews for Monero? 01:25:16 suppose I want to control 10,000 XMR for a year. But the only asset I have is XMR. 01:26:12 Oh, you're looking for bizarre love triangles in finance instruments for cryptocurrencies. 01:26:15 Yeah, I dunno. 01:26:31 If you only have that 25 words but no password can you get someones wallet with that 25 words???? 01:26:33 !!! 01:26:55 sounds not much secured 01:27:25 It does exist. Localmonero options contracts, for example. Looking for other ways 01:27:46 ndorf: I'm beginning to think you were right. 01:28:02 renom[m]: I didn't say it doesn't exist. 01:28:04 You have a password to get into your email account 01:28:04 !! 01:28:04 Sounds not much secured 01:28:37 email has 2 factor authentication 01:28:59 someone can brute login attempts 01:29:08 It's not really two-factor. It's a duplicate factor. 01:29:14 have fun brute forcing a 25 word seed 01:29:27 newlinux^: you realize the universe would end sooner? 01:29:38 really? 01:29:45 I have seen Cosmos 01:29:53 Yeah, it's called "math". 01:30:16 combination and permutation chapter? 01:30:58 So guys are talking from irc and discord both at the same time and a Bot is making a link?? Awesome. Never seen such thing. You guys are briliant 01:31:39 I believe you can now pw protect yout seed 01:32:18 *your 01:32:30 still looking for a tpyist 01:33:06 suppose the words are taken from a list of 2^10 (about 1000) words. then the search space for a 25-word seed has size 2^(10*25) = 2^250. that's super super secure 01:33:22 I am a typist 01:33:31 :) 01:33:39 Give me a job 01:33:52 You didn't capitalize things well, so I'm not hiring you. 01:34:29 Normally I dont do that but when I am doing someones job I'm dead serious 01:35:39 wait a minute what is tpy-ist 01:35:54 something different? 01:36:01 or just typo? 01:36:09 It was an intentional typo, as a joke. 01:36:18 Oh you joke! 01:36:26 It wasn't me. 01:36:31 yes 01:36:35 erm 01:36:36 my bad 01:36:39 going away now 01:36:42 no 01:36:42 Ill pay you 0.1 xmr for monerochan fanfiction 01:37:18 I dont like anime 01:37:50 * volantaryism1[m] uploaded an image: (66KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/raCFssaXaGQwPLrkIDtgfUyJ/1618243107704.jpg > 01:38:04 volantaryism1[m]: Pay me 1 XMR and I'll do it. 01:38:20 I've actually been a professional writer. 01:39:17 big eyes only look good in fantasy photos but looks hideous if a human gets big eyes like that 01:40:44 Im guessing yall use usenet too? because of monero and privacy stuffs 01:49:36 https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/284483-protonmail/suggestions/33188971-accept-monero-for-payment 02:01:56 https://youtu.be/tIT8PwkGlm8?t=38 02:14:19 ive been making all my friends pay me in monero for anything 02:14:35 i just made some guy pay me $12 in monero to split a food delivery 02:14:37 lmao 02:14:49 obtaining monero with no KYC 02:27:29 spam incoming 02:27:39 Do you think that you are too intelligent to be in a cult? Then I would encourage you to look into how any other cult works. They aren't populated by stupid people. Aum Shinrikyo was almost exclusively university professors and graduates. For Pete's sake - they had the know-how and means to make WMDs. 02:27:39 As to Monero, I would encourage you to look at Jonestown mass-suicide. You know why Jones killed them all? Because he was afraid he is loosing control over them. People like that will burn everything around them rather than give up control. Being smart doesn't make you immune to being in a cult. This is the most valuable lesson Monero taught me. 02:28:40 this is the most bizarre place to spam nonsensical fud 02:29:20 chances are if someone's in here, then they know enough for the spam to be ineffective 02:29:53 <_Crash> Of all the places to spam... 02:29:53 gives him purpose 02:29:58 Its not fud, monero is a shitcoin made for criminals. Bitcoin is anonymous and fungible 02:32:22 Wow... 02:33:14 cult is always bad 02:33:23 like mafia 02:33:29 If you're that dumb I'm not sure if it matters if you're in a cult or a hospital... 02:34:10 entry1: are those bitcoin bags feeling heavy yet 02:34:57 I responded to a troll... verifying my gullibility 02:35:46 Don't have one dollar in btc boy. Xmr baby, we're mooning this bull run or the next. Makes no difference to me 02:58:06 #monero-markets 03:00:40 guys, im making a new exchange: monero to USD, send me the monero and i'll send you the USD one day 03:08:48 Half baked idea: a Monero based futures market on Havenero. Maybe part of the fee for each trade goes straight to the Monero General fund. 03:11:30 What's the best way to learn about Monero? Going thru the docs on their website? 03:12:01 watch dr. daniel kim's videos on youtube! 03:12:24 monero is money and behavioral finance 03:13:44 the books here also: https://www.getmonero.org/library/ 03:14:23 ooh and don't forget Mastering Monero. Free book here: 03:14:28 https://masteringmonero.com/ 03:15:29 Thanks to both of you. Increasingly interested in Monero and Zcash :) 03:17:25 JohnMilton: breaking monero youtube series 03:21:46 Breaking Monero seems great. Appreciate the nuance 03:22:37 JohnMilton: its a really good series for understanding strengths and potential weaknesses 03:25:23 Point well taken, the humility is cool too 03:30:06 Old news of course (but I'm still learning so apologies), but what was the Monero community's general take on DHS/CipherTrace saying that they "cracked" Monero? 03:30:19 Wow that was awful grammmar 03:31:25 https://youtu.be/w5rtd3md11g 03:31:41 Sarang rekt them 03:40:49 Great vid, going to finish watching later 03:43:23 CipherTrace CEO states publicly they can't trace Monero txns https://twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1331006439809224707 03:58:03 my understanding is there is really nothing wrong with ZEC’s tech per se. the things that we don’t like about them are design choices (trusted setup and optional privacy). it’s a sell out to me but i can see it again being “good enough” for people 04:00:29 if people care about privacy enough to use ZEC i would honestly at least be a little proud. but i’m personally just too idealistic to waste time away from monero 08:13:58 KSaunderson: I meant that when you want to add a peer to the peer list because you just got a connection from them, you use the address they claim to the peer list. 08:14:46 However, I'm thinking this might open up a DoS avenue maybe, since someone can get you to connect to an arbitrary IP... 08:15:27 I guess checking the peer id is the same in the pong and the ping should be enough. If different, drop connecion. 08:15:37 (and do not add to peer list) 08:26:28 .balance 08:26:28 sech1: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in? 08:26:59 * moneromooo balances precariously on a low wall 08:27:25 They stole my 0.0048 XMR :( 08:31:27 .balance 08:31:28 binaryFate: • Your balance is: 0.00174 XMR (≈0.65 USD) 08:31:35 woot 08:36:00 .faucet 08:36:01 ​azy: 6, __, 4,​ 3 08:36:05 5 08:36:06 azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000022 XMR to azy [7986bb02] Wait ≈1 day 39 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01713761 08:36:09 .balance 08:36:09 azy: • Your balance is: 0.0001915 XMR (≈0.07 USD) 08:38:50 Hi. I plan running multiple Miners through XMRig Proxy. 08:38:50 I want to do the donation on the proxy, and not on the miners. If I set --donate-over-proxy=2, does this bypass the minimum donation level of 1% or would I donate twice(on the proxy and the miners)? thx 08:41:40 is feather wallet still reliable? 08:42:09 yes 08:42:34 I really liked it when I was using it recently 08:43:57 kind of scrappy but gets the job done 09:05:50 .balance 09:05:50 sech1: • Your balance is: 0.00489065 XMR (≈1.82 USD) 09:07:10 .faucet 09:07:10 Mo​chi101: Triangle is h​ow many sides? 09:07:13 3 09:07:13 Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000013 XMR to Mochi101 [2c8caf7e] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01713631 09:07:18 .balance 09:07:19 Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000074 XMR (≈0 USD) 09:07:35 .tip sech1 all 09:07:35 Mochi101: Ooops! Not enough in your balance.. 09:07:48 .faucet 09:07:50 s​ech1: Of 4​ and 3, which is 4 09:07:53 4 09:07:53 sech1: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000014 XMR to sech1 [973b04a7] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01713491 09:07:58 yay! 09:08:09 Finally I'm allowed into the game 09:08:16 congrats 09:19:12 .faucet 09:19:13 li​thiumpt: How many lette​rs in BHC 09:19:16 3 09:19:17 lithiumpt: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000071 XMR to lithiumpt [3f030d03] Wait ≈1 day 41 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01712781 09:20:54 the wallet bot should be programmed to ask an open problem in math every now and then 09:26:10 what do you mean by open? unsolved like riemann's hypothesis? :P 09:26:17 .faucet 09:26:17 h​mmp: Snow W​hite + her dwarfs 09:26:27 seven 09:26:27 hmmp: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..) 09:26:56 lol 09:27:03 8 09:27:35 these questions are too hard for my IQ 09:27:38 haha i guess the current trivia questions are hard enough sometimes 09:34:20 https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/monero-maximalism-or-how-bitcoin-is-a-coin.html 09:35:47 Monero is for normal people 09:35:55 very important point 10:04:00 .balance 10:04:01 phrack: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 10:04:01 phrack: • Your balance is: 0 XMR 10:04:25 .login 10:04:30 .register 10:04:30 M4268583364[m]: /msg NickServ help - https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration - WARNING! DO NOT ISSUE /msg COMMANDS IN CHANNEL! You risk exposing email/pass to everyone.. 10:05:27 but it won't work 10:05:39 who do I need to message 10:06:38 .faucet 10:06:39 p​hrack: How many​ digits is 0 10:06:43 1 10:06:44 phrack: @bonuspot tipped 0.00001 XMR to phrack [4fe87725] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01711781 10:06:52 yay :D 11:33:23 .faucet 11:33:25 I​nge-: Sum of 1st mi​llion digits of pi, times zero 11:33:28 0 11:33:29 Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.00001 XMR to Inge- [65155059] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01710781 11:33:41 .balance 11:33:42 Inge-: • Your balance is: 0.0051792 XMR (≈1.96 USD) 11:39:25 I can tell you why you can't stop the 'spam'. You are thinking in cult doctrine. If it was real spam, and I was selling Viagra for example - you could easily ban keywords and urls. Instead, stop being a sheep, think like a cult leader. Recoginse that this 'spam' is just some bullshit that you tell to the sheep. 11:40:47 Look at me... I am the cult leader now. 11:42:54 what's the theoretical maximum of transactions per second? 11:43:31 currently we're at like a transaction every other second iirc. monero is described as scalable. but just how scalable is it. 11:43:56 There's no well defined limit. 11:44:15 The better your computer, the more it can keep up with. Same with other nodes on the network. 11:44:34 As the tx load increases, the weakest nodes starts to be unable to keep up and drop. 11:45:17 There's no real arbitrary limit either, though blocks have to be < 4 GB IIRC. 11:45:37 But I think that's just a technical limit. 11:46:30 Your computer will be wedged well before reaching that. 12:08:14 .balance 12:08:15 hxr404: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 12:08:15 hxr404: • Your balance is: 0 XMR 12:08:28 .faucet 12:08:31 h​xr404: What number is O​NE 12:08:35 1 12:08:35 hxr404: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000066 XMR to hxr404 [e7909402] Wait ≈23 hrs 53 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01710121 12:09:08 who/what ist bonuspot? 12:09:37 why are they giving away free money 12:10:51 < 4 GB? 12:11:45 .balance 12:11:45 mechanimist[m]: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in? 12:14:44 access denied. killbots dispatched to user's address 12:15:42 D: 12:28:27 That guy yesterday made me think... If I like privacy and don't appreciate people spying on me... maybe that does mean I'm in a dangerous cult... 🤔... I really gotta start letting people intrude in my personal matters more... What a nice gentleman to have Woke me up...I gotta get my crap together and get a neuralink installed asap❤ Thank you strange man 12:29:06 You should publish your account details and banking info too! 12:37:55 fibonacci: pls share seed phrase 12:38:49 kek 12:38:49 We can share our monero 13:14:14 You will DO what Monero tells you to do. You will JUMP when you are told to jump. And most importantly you will DISCONNECT whoever Scientology^H^H^H^H^H I mean Mnero tells you to disconnect. Otherwise you WILL end up like lh1008 here: 13:14:15 monerologs.net/monero-community/20210114#c181614 And you will do it all for FREE. Because Monero is open souce :D Just like Linux is there to pay for $700k watches that Torvalds wears. 13:36:45 Shut the fuck up 13:42:00 no use yellin at a bot 13:43:14 Makes sense 14:31:03 hello, 14:31:26 how to transfer from cli monero that is in address 1 14:31:38 transfer 1 address amount 14:32:10 where i insert address index because is giving me error 14:32:29 Spending from address index 0 14:32:35 but i have on index 1 14:33:51 Try: help transfer 14:34:02 I think you add "index=1" in the command somewhere. 14:35:40 i added but again error 14:35:49 how to print address index 14:39:03 confused between address and account 14:39:14 i found was index=0 14:39:16 thnx 15:31:53 moneromooo: "As the tx load increases, the weakest nodes starts to be unable to keep up and drop." Can you explain how this dropping mechanism works? 15:36:13 boogerlad[m]: they're behind other nodes or they crash 15:37:50 There's a block every two minutes on average. A given device can verify N txes per second. N varies between devices. As the number of txes in blocks goes past N for a while, that device cannot verify fast enough to keep up. 15:39:03 speaking of... Is throwing more cores enough? Can tx verification be done in parallel? 15:39:27 Yes. Some of it anyway. 15:40:09 I had a patch to verify incoming txes in batches, did not get in (it'd add latency). 15:40:29 Might be more palatable when tx rate grows further significantly. 15:47:11 is there some sort of queue for nodes that can't keep up? Say it's a temporary spike in traffic 15:47:42 Sure, they'll catch up later if it's just a spike. 15:48:48 And the larger the spike, the longer they'll take to catch up. 15:49:30 What is the limit for such a queue? RAM capacity? If so, I guess a "crash" would be oom? 15:49:46 We're not there yet though. My laptop has no problem whatsoever, and I build stuff and run heavy tests a lot. 15:50:17 No limit, it'll just grab blocks slower from other nodes. 15:50:51 ... limits are for bitcoin 15:50:53 s/slower/later/ 15:51:54 oh I see, Monero nodes operate in a "pull from other nodes" fashion? and when a node is behind, it's no longer eligible to be pulled from by other nodes on the network? 15:52:26 It's push when the node's synced, and pull when it's catching up. 15:52:33 any node can still serve blocks to any other node that's behind it 15:52:53 also catching up nodes can't relay transactions 16:03:08 I have a 1GB/s internet, if my node connects to another 1GB/s node would they connect at that speed (excluding other factors like hard drive transfers) 16:04:49 let's say there's node A that's synced, and it pushes to its neighbor B that is also synced. If B falls behind, does A continue to push to B? Of course, B can ignore (?) but is there a way for B to tell A to stop pushing until further notice? 16:08:02 Always IIRC, I made a patch to avoid this at some point but did not PR, mostly because it's not much currently and there's a bit of a lag before a node learns of the current state of a peer. 16:08:30 If you're trying to ask "can it be sped up", then yes. 16:11:52 I'm just super curious about how distrubuted systems work 16:12:54 of course, at the current .3tx/sec, it's a non issue 16:13:33 @booger 16:13:59 boogerlad: I really enjoyed this series of blog posts: https://nakamoto.com/p2p-networking/ 16:14:17 might be baby stuff for you idk, but the historical parts are still a fun read then 16:14:34 that post and the next two pages of it are all good p2p networking material 16:32:32 boogerlad: fun fact: satoshi ran a distributed computer with a shit ton of cpus when bitcoin was first launched 16:33:01 People have tracked the blocks he mined with this system called the patoshi miner 16:33:13 Thats how we know satoshi has 1 million btc 16:35:08 were they all running plan9 on throwaway university computers? 16:35:52 probably why the miner didn't have gpu support for so long lmao 16:39:00 Bitslog.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/ 16:45:29 He is the updated 2019 analysis of satoshis patoshi miner bitslog.com/2019/04/16/the-return-of-the-deniers-and-the-revenge-of-patoshi/ 17:18:52 volantaryism1[m]: where did you get the distributed part from? the article seems to imply the fingerprint is from a specific computer leaving bitcoind running 17:18:59 bitcoin didn't have pools or miners outside of the daemon back then 17:21:40 asymptotically: listened to a podcast by the guy who wrote those articles, think he said that the patoshi miner was using many cpus to prevent the network from being 51% attacked in its infancy 18:12:05 volantaryism1[m]: sounds cool :) do you have a link to the podcast? 19:43:34 early btc history is fuckin WEIRD 19:43:45 did you know there was a poker client in early releases of bitcoin? 19:50:48 Hey, is anyone having trouble with their node? 19:51:11 I'm trying to sync, stuck at 99.9755% at block 2345133 19:52:24 mine seems to be fine at block 2345133 19:54:04 mine is fine at 2345134 19:54:25 well, nevermind. I restarted the daemon, was stuck. Restarted the VM, seems to be working now 19:54:33 false alarm, lol 20:42:39 asymptotically: cant find the vid on youtube - it had like 300 views 20:42:39 I have the video downloaded on a computer but i wont be able to access it for a while 20:54:54 * volantaryism1[m] uploaded an image: (104KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/oExQXGqxzLCKBBpwrkhYCoAk/IMG_20210422_215409_351.jpg > 20:57:28 woah: 20:57:29 "----- BLOCK ADDED AS ALTERNATIVE ON HEIGHT 2345152" 20:57:30 first time i see that 20:58:29 Does that mean 2 blocks were made at once? 20:58:43 i guess so! 20:58:45 Oh shit. That's really really bad :( 20:58:53 lol 20:58:59 someone must be missing out on their block reward 20:59:18 Oh, wait, I'm confuisng it with BLOCK ADDED AS HYPERACTIVE ON WEIGHT 2302343. 20:59:51 It just means two miners found a block adding on the same one. One of them will win. No worries. 21:00:08 So it's a short term fork, most likely one block long. Happens daily. 21:00:23 yes, just cool to witness it 21:00:43 I have only been running a node for a week, this is the first time i spot that happening 21:00:47 mechanimist: are you using the CLI wallet? I have never used it 21:00:55 what would this mean? 21:00:56 If you see a LOT of these, it means someone mined along and sent their chain later on. 21:01:08 It would mean... gullibiity I think. 21:01:15 i see 21:01:34 s/along/alone/ 21:01:48 just the daemon, which is cli 21:03:34 confused about what this means 21:06:55 You can ignore that tbh. 21:07:53 are EAE attacks unavoidable? 21:08:15 as far as I understand you can churn it between yourself to lower the probability 21:08:48 but if you went from one transaction directly to an exchange would you be very easily identified 21:09:03 transaction to you, then from you to an exchange 21:09:53 AFAIK it's only if you go from the ecxhange then to the same exhcange, and do that more than once, and both times you send an output you got from that exchange. 21:10:10 So depending on your particulars, it might be likely/unlikely. 21:10:38 Churning helps, but I don't think it helps *that* much. 21:11:11 it helps if you do it a few times and over time 21:11:56 Just don't send your coins to a spy hub :) 21:12:28 and if you don't do churning at the exact same time every day 21:12:40 timing analysis can filter out most ring members 21:17:10 Why does the Saviour of NASA take a group achievement award and present it as a proof of individual glory? https://twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683 21:18:20 >he doesnt turn his node on and off to match a timezone different to that of your own to feed bad metadata to chainanalysis companies scraping data from nodes 21:21:40 volantaryism1[m]: What? 21:23:15 i'm gone. i'll come back once we're broke. cu 21:32:37 apotheon: imagine you live in GMT+1, you could turn on your node at lets say 8am GMT-7 and off at 9pm GMT-7 to prevent using your node to guess your approx timezone 21:32:54 Bit excessive tho 21:33:31 hm 21:33:41 Just set 'em all to UTC. 21:34:22 Today, I realized that time zones and DST are just surveillance differentiators. 21:39:14 .flip 21:55:23 yeah, all modern computers use UTC internally anuwau 21:55:25 anyway 22:13:37 I suspect there are exceptions. 22:27:54 programmers hate timezones. 22:28:03 UTC all the way, never have to think about it 22:29:02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rksaoaqt3JA 22:29:08 relevant ^ 22:31:25 What kind of person steals from their own community? http://removeddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d6okb/fluffypony_needs_to_give_up_his_commit_access_and/ (changed link to removeddit since /r/monero mod removed to try to cover it up - maybe fluffy himself?) 22:31:58 endor00: this video stresses me out so much hahaha but good ending 👍🏽 22:33:11 * volantaryism1[m] uploaded an image: (207KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/sHqClCvTYlXBWQtCPQtPIUVj/1619034388884.jpg > 22:33:17 okmvjbqof: too long didnt read 22:37:46 Has oneone ever used the exchange Changenow.io 22:38:03 Bigboiimike: nope 22:38:09 fudge 22:38:23 That being said I have never used any exchange 22:38:33 i was exchanging BTC to Monero thru the cakewallet and its just simply gone 22:39:06 it says my funds are safe to email them but that was 24 hours ago and the site says there turn around time is less than 5 hours 22:39:32 something about it wasn't confirmed enough times in 20 minutes 22:40:07 Bigboiimike: is your monero wallet synced correctly? 22:40:10 I am probably not the best resource 22:40:49 I was on the chat with cakewallet and they helped me thru the process 22:41:27 Bigboiimike: https://www.reddit.com/r/monerosupport/comments/jdj33p/xmr_not_showing_up_in_cake_wallet_12_hours_after/ 22:41:31 i sent BTC from cashapp to cakewallet and that was very fast, then when i went to use there convert the rest is history 22:42:03 Bigboiimike: glad you figured it out! 22:42:31 i havent gotten the funds tho lol 22:42:44 they walked me thru setting up a XMR wallet and a BTC wallet 22:42:47 Good to hear 22:43:38 the monero wallet on the site wont work for me 22:46:01 when you did the exchange 22:46:08 what monero address did you put in for the exchange 22:46:12 Bigboiimike: is your monero wallet sync’ed? 22:46:18 you setup the monero wallet first before exchanging right? 22:47:42 yes 22:48:05 How would i find out if it is synced? I am new to this stuff. 22:48:20 you sent it to your monero wallet within cake wallet right 22:48:23 The cakewallet filled it in, I just had to select it from the address book 22:48:25 Yes 22:48:52 i verified the first 5 numbers were the same and its showing the same numbers 22:49:05 when you first load up the wallet 22:49:14 the "home page" of the wallet 22:49:19 at the top there is a bar that shows the status 22:49:30 Bigboiimike: at the top of your wallet, there should be a green dot and “synced” 22:49:30 or it would have an orange dot “xxxx Blocks Remaining” 22:49:40 let me look one second 22:50:22 It says 653 blocks remaining 22:50:37 Yes its synced 22:50:44 Oh shit its there 22:50:46 wtf 22:50:50 yayyyy!!!! 22:50:55 Balance doesnt show until sync is finished 22:51:01 you just didn’t load it (: 22:51:03 Ohhhhhhhhhh 22:51:05 lmfao 22:51:12 i told you i was new to this lol 22:51:17 Hell yeah 22:51:21 happens to the best of us. we all started somewhere 22:51:25 wtf 22:51:29 happy monero🥳🥳 22:51:39 I sent 300$ in BTC and now the balance says $179 USD 22:51:48 wooooooow 22:52:01 because of the wait for them to fix it the BTC price dropped 22:52:15 which service did you use? 22:52:16 i let it sit there for awhile before they must have just fixed it 22:52:28 How much was bitcoin fee? 22:52:35 the one built into the Exchange feature in cakewallet 22:52:36 btc fees are brutal currently, but 300 -> 180$ sounds extra bad 22:52:48 Btw cakewallet literally just uses changenow and then charges an extra fee on top 22:52:49 it said the exchange fee was $35 22:52:52 woooow 22:52:56 Not really ethical in my opinion 22:53:01 i need $180 XMR 22:53:06 this is retarded 22:53:10 Bigboiimike: i don’t think that’s everything. monero dropped like $75 22:53:20 oh really? 22:53:25 Since 24 hours ago? 22:53:28 Btw use litecoin instead of bitcoin to reduce bitcoin fees 22:53:54 yeah 22:53:56 XMR dropped 22:53:57 yes yes don’t use BTC for cakewallet. BTC fees are way to high 22:54:03 use LTC to avoid high fees 22:54:14 avoid using exchange services to avoid other high fees that they charge you too 22:54:22 I use BTC cause i currently hold BTC and dont want to sell because of the drop 22:54:22 coin swap services i mean 22:54:27 Bigboiimike: if it makes you feel better your BTC would also have dropped a bunch over the past 24 hours 22:54:35 so it’s hard to say which is which 22:54:40 you can use tradeogre and do direct btc/xmr trades 22:54:47 Yeah my BTC dropped a lot in 24 hours 22:54:50 * volantaryism1[m] uploaded an image: (340KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/BHpxlRLqrAQesCbpKedsHLuC/1617986550616.png > 22:55:02 Now i need to do another transfer as i need 15$ more in my XMR waller 22:55:04 wallet 22:55:19 use tradeogre 22:55:20 So another $30 in fees and more time wasted 22:55:25 Bigboiimike: have you considered buying from an exchange directly? 22:55:50 Localmonero.co if you dont want to use an exchange 22:56:09 What are some good anonymous crypto exchanges , particularly tor friendly 22:56:11 Bigboiimike: remember to reconnect immediately this time 22:56:12 so sell off the BTC i want to use to turn into XMR and just buy from the exchange and then use my debit to buy the XMR and have them send to my Cakewallet? 22:56:43 Oh so initiate the transfer and then load my XMR wallet ? 22:56:58 It took 20 minutes to get 1 confirmation yesterday 22:57:22 Bigboiimike: don’t buy directly from the exchange there. send litecoin there and do the exchange in-app 22:57:56 I don't own any litecoin i have BTC 22:57:57 it shouldn’t take that long. usually if you manually reconnect it loads right away 22:58:23 to sell the BTC and move it to buy Litecoin i would be paying the same amount in fees 22:58:29 any transactions on the btc network are going to take forever right now 22:58:41 if you have btc on an exchange where youre not paying transaction fees 22:58:45 you can just swap it for ltc 22:58:50 then withdraw the ltc from the exchange 22:58:52 I have BTC on Cashapp 22:58:58 oh 22:59:03 sigh bitcoin pains 22:59:10 well use tradeogre 22:59:15 or cake wallet 22:59:35 from Cashapp to Cakewallet BTC took less than 3 minutes 22:59:41 maybe you can adjust the fee for the coinswap in cakewallet 22:59:52 it takes less than 3 minutes for the transaction to be broadcast 23:00:02 but youre going to wait 30m-1hr for the confirmations required 23:00:16 i had the BTC in my cakewallet 3 minutes after sending it from cashapp 23:00:19 before the coin swap service is going to swap your btc out for xmr 23:00:29 yes 23:00:35 broadcasting a transaction is almost instant 23:00:40 the confirmations are what takes time 23:01:25 im not sure of changenow's exact policy with confirmations but most people make you wait for 2-3 confirmations before fully accepting your btc and swapping it 23:01:28 I'm only sending $100 this time to see if it screws me again as i only need $20 or so 23:01:37 well use tradeogre then 23:01:47 so much ive paid in fees in the past 2 months 23:02:00 probaly around normal job 1 month pay 23:02:10 crypto.com absolutely screwed me 23:02:30 charged 2.99% to buy crypto and then another $180 to sell 23:02:44 but says it has no fees but i noticed it when selling 23:02:57 Bigboiimike: glad you have discovered monero, we like low fees 23:03:26 My guy told me about it awhile ago i just have had a lot going on so i havent had the time to do any research 23:03:48 Having this room right here has been a huge help, thats why i constantly stay conneted when i can 23:04:24 http://paste.debian.net/1194772/ 23:09:42 can you send litecoin from paypal? 23:10:25 Bigboiimike: it takes some time to find your groove, but also try keeping a small stash of crypto in your Kucoin trading wallet. fees are low and small amounts of withdrawal has minimal KYC 23:11:51 Is monero pretty stable as far as how the price goes? I might as well convert a larger amount of bitcoin into XMR as I'm going to need XMR quite frequently 23:12:37 Bigboiimike: no lol it was 420 on 420 and it’s $350 now 23:12:44 lol 23:12:51 keep USDT 23:12:56 in your trading wallet 23:13:10 and what was the best wallet to use for holding USDT? 23:13:14 most things are USDT-paired 23:14:24 it depends on how much. as long as it’s not your whole stash, you can sign up for Celsius and park your USDT there and earn 10.5% APY when you’re not touching it 23:14:24 Yeah thats what im reading now, I'm new to this side of crypto but im eager to learn its just costing me a fortune lol 23:15:01 it’s rite of passage man. i still make mistakes. i bought something with my debit card the other day (fat fingers) and lost 3% for no reason 23:15:58 Bigboiimike: Celsius pays out interest rewards every Monday. it’s much better than your bank account if you don’t mind the crypto risk 23:16:17 I hate holding USDT 23:16:25 how much money do they claim to have at this point 23:16:29 and you can take it out anytime as long as you white list your wallet right away 23:17:06 abcdefg_irssi: sorry i misspoke. i usually park it in USDC, but you’d still have to convert it back to USDT on an exchange like Kucoin 23:17:18 but luckily the fees are noooooooooowhere near what you get for BTC 23:17:28 BTC is slow and expensive 23:17:35 isnt DAI the good stablecoin 23:17:42 I don't even know i never really hold stable coins 23:18:00 I had like 10k in USDT for like 20 minutes one time 23:18:53 abcdefg_irssi: DAI is great too. USDT is the worst but for bigboiimike’s purposes if it’s just a holding period between XMR trades it’s probably fine 23:19:54 all stable coins are 10.5% so it really doesn’t matter what you hold it in, but if you’re going to need to convert back to USDT at some point you might as well just keep it in USDT. all the fees really add up and our crypto journey is long 23:20:09 IS there a such place where i can just buy XMR with debit and use that insdead of doing all this exchanging? 23:20:23 Kraken 23:20:40 buying directly from kraken is $$$$$$$ 23:20:43 That's just a online wallet right? I need a local wallet 23:20:50 kraken is an exchange 23:21:00 if you want a local wallet use the official GUI or CLI 23:21:02 Bigboiimike: you can withdraw from kraken to whatever wallet you want to 23:21:07 It woont let me 23:21:07 but you would need to set up a node/connect to a remote node 23:21:19 kraken is also a huge pain to deposit fiat on 23:21:44 Bigboiimike: what do you mean😂 23:21:46 if you live in a decently big city try local monero 23:21:51 I'm sure i will find my groove eventually 23:21:51 or look for a crypto atm 23:21:56 crypto atm has fees though 23:22:25 after i log into the monero GUI a page pops up and says something about trying to run monerod.exe manually 23:22:31 this is when we go back to. we always go back to localmonero 😂 23:22:40 localmonero is the shit 23:23:02 it used to let me login and things were fine but then one day bam it stopped so i deleted all of it and reinstalled and same thing 23:23:14 Bigboiimike: you can download monero from getmonero.org/downloads 23:23:22 Man this bacrypt spectacle is captivating! 23:23:23 *monero GUI wallet 23:23:37 I have 23:23:50 here let me do it again and ill tell you exactly what it says 23:23:58 www.getmonero.org/downloads 23:24:22 Bigboiimike: do you use Windows? 23:24:32 yes 23:24:42 sounds like anti virus blocking monerod.exe 23:25:36 How do i whitelist it? 23:25:42 if thats the correct work 23:25:46 word 23:25:51 it worked once before 23:25:54 do you use anti-virus 23:25:57 or windows defender 23:25:58 or some shit 23:26:00 defender 23:26:07 and i have Mcaffee 23:26:07 probably just turn it off 23:26:28 uninstall mcafee 23:26:41 Lol 23:28:28 I have no idea you will have to look into the settings of those programs and figure it out I haven't used AV programs since 2008 23:28:50 i have only had this pc for a week and it says it blocked over 3k unsafe things already wtf 23:30:42 mcafee is spyware, uninstall it 23:40:39 mcafee on windows is useless 23:40:39 fuck windows, use linux! 23:41:14 Bigboiimike: another alternative for a monero wallet is feather wallet 23:41:57 it might be easier for you to use starting out 23:45:27 oh yea i forgot about that 23:45:29 just use feather 23:45:32 on desktop 23:45:52 How much privacy do you get from using multiple addresses using Bitcoin? 23:46:04 uhh 23:46:07 depends on how you do it 23:46:11 but its still all public 23:46:59 yes everything is public and linked 23:47:29 Yeah, I just wonder how that works. When you use multiple addresses that are linked to one private key 23:47:46 as always there are different possible solutions for different threat models 23:47:46 multiple addresses within the same wallet? 23:48:01 @abcdefg_irssi: yeah, that's what I meant 23:48:55 I believe each public address also has a corresponding unique private key, but your wallet shares the same seed 23:49:09 I mean, obviously it's not private enough, otherwise we wouldn't need Monero, but still... Maybe it gives some layer of privacy 23:49:42 @abcdefg_irssi: I see 23:49:47 if you're using something like electrum the public keys would not be linked to each other until you link them either via a single sweep transaction or withdrawing from a KYC exchange to that wallet address 23:49:54 depends whose looking and what resources they have 23:50:19 there might be other ways to link public keys together I'm not sure exactly 23:50:24 BTC is in general very bad for privacy 23:50:28 And of course if a balance matches with another wallet 23:50:34 here is a visual that may help.... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoNazPsXEAIe7VQ?format=jpg&name=small 23:50:39 what wallet are you using? 23:51:21 I'm using diferent wallets atm. But I got this multiple addresses feature on in my Exodus Wallet. 23:51:35 yes you should use that and use a new address for every transaction 23:52:22 Yeah, it's less obvious I guess when using multiple addresses, but it can still traced back I guess 23:52:23 electrum links addresses to whatever electrum server you connect to 23:52:42 oh really 23:53:01 oh so btc is just fucked 23:53:06 completley 23:53:18 wallets like Wasabi are a little better in that regard but yeah 23:53:41 wasabi also doesn't support RBF so, it really is a mess when it comes to bitcoin desktop wallets 23:53:59 so literally its that easy to connect multiple public addresses to one owner? 23:54:22 Does anyone know what kind of exchange they have for the Exodus wallet? Is it something you can trust? 23:54:33 well only the person running the electrum server would know but yeah if you use electrum and don't run your own server it is 23:54:46 ah 23:55:05 so you can run your own server and get around that? 23:55:22 yeah, you have to run bitcoind+electrumx 23:55:27 Bitcoins privacy approach: 23:55:27 Dont look at the chain pleeeeeease 23:59:17 LyzaL: RBF was one of the worst things to ever come to bitcoin... literally killed bitcoins use as a currency 23:59:29 Killed zero conf assumptions