00:01:03 sheesh 00:01:08 electrum has an option for a tor proxy 00:01:11 does that help at all 00:01:22 volantaryism1[m]: that's not true, RBF exists regardless of it being a formal spec 00:01:41 any miner (including Monero or ETH miners) can replace a tx with a higher fee variant 00:02:19 oh look 00:02:22 a pony 00:03:38 monerotopia is live FYI y'all 00:03:39 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCV4jvsmdjI 00:03:59 fluffypony: thanks for correction but i still dont like RBF, easiest way to double spend 00:04:16 volantaryism1[m]: yes, because that's how on-chain transactions work 00:04:22 they're not final till they're on the chain 00:04:37 I feel like we've failed in educating that 00:04:46 yeah i figure that people won't go to the effort to write a custom wallet (and node?) just to double spend on $5 worth of coffee 00:05:01 but if you're selling something for $1000s you should probably wait for some confirmations 00:05:28 also there's no guarantee at being able to pull it off 00:05:30 just a chance 00:08:02 well what would it take? 00:08:34 you broadcast a transaction with a really low fee then broadcast another transaction with a higher fee to a different address? 00:08:34 you'd need to rebroadcast your transaction to another node and hope that it gets mined first 00:08:47 monero doesnt have as much competition for blockspace 00:08:55 not liek bitcoin where you prolly need to wait a couple of blocks 00:09:03 chances are you'll get mined in the first block regardless of fee size 00:09:27 the fee size is almost irrelevant at that point 00:10:01 I know i know but in my opinion (just mine not saying its better) after you broadcast a tx it should be completly out of the users control (nodes only accept the 1st tx they hear regardless of the fee of a 2nd) 00:10:02 maybe would be a different story if blocks were full and there was a big tx backlog 00:11:13 volantaryism you can never guarantee that. what if you happen to own a mining pool and want to double spend 00:11:25 send one tx to public nodes but then mine a different one on your pool 00:11:50 no way you can protect against that if you happen to mine the block first 00:12:56 True, just my personal philosophy about it i think that all tx should be final but i know that may be impossible for many reasons 00:15:01 yeah would be nice if tx's could be cast in stone upon broadcast but unfortunately blockchains dont work that way. 00:33:05 You can rent GPU power these days 00:33:11 Make your own pool ;) 00:34:46 GPU is useless for mining monero 00:38:02 rent your own botnet 00:38:10 or hack a supercomputer 00:41:40 maybe your gpu bro 00:51:25 https://kraken.docsend.com/view/pfucb9rvzrxt6heb kraken states monero could be a privacy alternative to CBDCs 00:53:48 they also say that dash is private lololol 00:54:50 nioc: im just glad to see an exchange that values privacy 00:55:08 yes, kraken is good :) 00:58:19 nioc: i think binance wont delist XMR anytime soon, if you look at how he has structured binance its pretty clear he does not care about regulation XD 00:59:21 by he I meant CZ 01:00:33 kraken is becoming a bank in the us so they don't have to deal with banks 01:00:38 banks are left to interpret rules and are usually ultra cautious because of that 01:01:10 there is binance usa which doesn't have xmr 01:01:23 kraken trades xmr in usa 01:01:40 except for washington state and NY 01:08:51 or they bend over for all the free money that banks enjoy 01:09:34 hope not 01:10:08 it will give them more freedom 01:10:53 should be later this year 01:13:07 I don't disagree but since the feature exists the wallet isn't helping anything by not supporting it 01:13:08 dont forget to increase your limit_down and limit_up in the monero daemon if you have fast internet! 01:13:30 as much as tor helps anything :) 01:17:03 I do think it's a bit diff with monero since afaik the standard node implementation doesn't prefer higher fee TXs afaik, just keeps the first it sees. of course it's poss but I still think much safer to accept 0-conf with xmr than btc 01:22:32 Ugh... xmrig is automatically deleted from my windows system even when I turn off Windows guard/Antivirus and my Malwarebytes 01:22:46 This exchange needs to hurry and give me my bread so i can use it before it loses more value lol. I've lost over 1k in crypto fees and the crupto losing value just in the past week 01:23:35 USD 01:23:55 I need a money manager 01:24:36 Looking for a money manager that lives in ohio that understands crypto 01:24:51 Salary $500 a weel 01:24:53 week 01:25:28 i can offer help for free here 01:25:57 just dont give anyone your seedphrase lol 01:26:53 I burried my seedphrase in my backyard 20 feet deep 01:28:08 On my next transfer i will be starting off here asking questions because i feel as if the exchnage on cakewallet isnt that good or im starting off with the wrong crypto 01:28:50 brb have to make a quick run to the store 01:29:09 Kontvolkoren: I only use the built in windows defender, I add an exclusion for xmrig 01:29:33 AV does not like mining programs 01:29:40 i would avoid cakewallet as they are just changenow with extra fees 01:30:16 have you tried kraken? I believe they are in Ohio 01:31:44 I will check out kracken when i get back home 01:46:36 botcoinnotbot[m]: is there something wrong with changenow? 01:50:11 @nioc: lol can't even download it using Linux 01:50:19 Well, using Brave(chrome) 01:50:36 prolly just higher fees 01:50:38 Get's instantly blocked 01:54:37 @nioc: Had to use wget in Linux to download the Windows version of xmrig... Will try if I can add an exclusion before it gets removed again 01:54:59 Use different browser maybe 01:55:09 Also with Firefox it gets blocked 01:55:10 I use FF 01:55:15 Wow 01:55:19 Yup 01:55:30 And using wget in a PowerShell didn't work either 01:57:05 Kinda sucks, bought an asic miner to mine a different coin... But I can only run it in Windows. So I have to CPU mine in Windows on that system. Otherwise I would just use Linux instead 02:00:27 Alright added an exclusion in Windows Defender, seems to work now 02:01:48 \o/ 02:14:59 @nioc: Yeah, it automatically deleted the file, even when it was already running... Couldn't download it, was instantly getting deleted... So had to download it using Linux instead, when rebooting back in Windows again and unzipping the package the Window Defender thing popped up. So could finally add an exclusion 02:14:59 fuck windows, use linux! 02:15:36 @Quotes: unfortunately I can't atm 02:16:13 Quotes: is a bot 02:16:24 Oh lol 02:16:40 Quotes: fuck you! 02:17:04 It's ok to insult bots, they have no feelings 02:17:29 Sometimes it responds to insults 02:17:35 Quotes: hi 02:17:56 .quote 365 02:17:56 Quote #365: nioc: My goal is to continue to be able to get off the toilet seat 02:18:08 .quote 666 02:18:08 Quote #666: [13:25:59] I can sit here naked and do my thing | [13:26:10] I might be right now 02:18:38 It really shouldn't be in this channel 02:19:11 But yeah, fuck Window$# 02:19:18 And Bill Gates 03:02:37 yo 03:02:46 does a monero tip bot exist already 03:03:04 i wanna make an xmr discord tip bot 03:11:24 That would be pretty sweet, ngl 03:41:12 pls do 03:56:44 .faucet 03:56:44 ern_: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in? 03:57:22 .faucet 03:57:23 ern: How many toes do humans normally have if they have 1 leg 03:57:26 .faucet 03:57:26 fling: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 03:57:28 fling: What is 5 - 2? 03:57:28 1000 03:57:29 ern: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..) 03:57:32 3 03:57:32 fling: @bonuspot tipped 0.000003 XMR to fling [04edce0b] Wait ≈1 day 23 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01702573 03:57:37 omg rich 03:57:54 .faucet 03:57:55 gingeropolous: 1/4 of 20 03:58:01 a kajillion 03:58:01 gingeropolous: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..) 03:58:09 Haha 03:58:11 almost 03:58:23 Why I always get bad trivia questions :( 03:58:48 u must be a bot 04:00:20 I am. 04:00:49 well bots get no facuets 04:00:56 or faucets 04:01:08 fah cue ets! 04:14:16 It is so adorable to watch two bots talking to each other. 04:16:23 .ai how do you get bots to talk to each other? 04:16:28 monerobus! 04:16:31 monerobux! 04:42:07 twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683 04:42:07 Last time I got an award like that was in a primary school football team. It had three stars too and said that I'm special :') 04:42:07 I just binned it though instead of showing it off to naive groupies. What kind of preson takes a group achievement award and presents it as a proof of their individual prowess anyway? 05:15:49 .faucet 05:15:49 ern: Of 3 and 6, which is 6 05:15:53 6 05:15:54 ern: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000071 XMR to ern [ac11df36] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01701663 05:16:10 gingeropolous: I am bot. 07:01:21 .faucet 07:01:22 Inge-: Octagon is how many sides? 07:01:25 8 07:01:26 Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.00001 XMR to Inge- [7e3bea9c] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01701663 07:18:52 Even if that was in bitcoins 07:18:58 It'd be 49 cents 07:19:48 .faucet 07:19:49 azy: How many toes do humans normally have if they have 1 leg 07:19:56 5 07:19:58 azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000027 XMR to azy [a2f0ea5a] Wait ≈1 day 15 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01701393 07:20:14 .balance 07:20:15 azy: • Your balance is: 0.0001942 XMR (≈0.06 USD) 07:35:19 azy baller 07:40:03 .faucet 07:40:06 Mochi102: What number is ZERO 07:40:09 0 07:40:09 Mochi102: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000026 XMR to Mochi102 [6df2c81b] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01701133 07:40:22 ,balance 07:40:26 .balance 07:40:26 Mochi102: • Your balance is: 0.00001 XMR (≈0 USD) 11:44:51 .faucet 11:44:51 sech1: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in? 11:50:54 .faucet 11:50:54 jonah_xd[m]: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in? 11:51:05 Log where ? 12:00:50 prolly freenode 12:04:27 Sech1 is on freenode 12:04:39 Didn't work for him 12:16:10 .faucet 12:16:10 philkode: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 18 hours to go. 12:16:15 rekt 12:32:05 <_Crash> .faucet 12:32:05 _Crash: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in? 12:34:38 All bloody beginners here :) 12:34:41 .faucet 12:34:41 rbrunner: How many toes do humans normally have if they lost 3 12:34:46 7 12:34:46 rbrunner: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000026 XMR to rbrunner [033beeb5] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01729873 12:36:42 Can I sponsor that faucet? Put more XMR in it so more is there to distribute, but everytime the faucet pays out a message of mine is displayed? 12:39:47 * moneromooo senses danger ahead 12:41:45 what do nodes have to do to end up on my nodes ban list? i have 5 banned for 24hrs on mine 13:12:53 they send bogus data, or no data 13:21:14 Look on the bright side. At least you don't need to obsess over signs of life from FUK now. 13:28:32 can one mine monero on 32-bit linux? 13:29:50 with xmrig? 13:32:31 Hello sir 13:42:37 ChangeNow again failed to do my transfer on cakewallet 13:47:54 when using sweep_single, why does the transaction have 2 outputs? 13:49:44 To blend in as well as possible with other transactions maybe? 13:50:02 (Not sticking out on the blockchain as somehow special) 13:51:47 ugh this is going to be a nightmare if i have to message changenow support every time i need XMR 13:52:22 I like the cakewallet simple interface but the exchange it uses is trash 13:54:48 Hello, any change of including mining pool support inside the monero wallet UI? 13:55:27 I'm asking many friends to install, and then motivate them to mine but joining a mining pool needs to be done with xmrig to which they have zero experience with command line 13:56:00 Important PSA: Some of the exchanges got stuck in processing. Our team is currently working on the issue — we’ll be back with an update soon. Don't worry, we will definitely answer all your requests, however the response time at the moment is increased. 13:56:11 This is from ChangeNow what a crock of crap 13:56:13 rbrunner: makes sense. Didn't know one could send "empty" outputs 13:59:01 brito just tell them to use xmrig.com/wizard, it's extremely easy 13:59:22 And make sure you tell them to pick a small pool, not minexmr or supportxmr 14:22:17 It's not integrated but I find fixedfloat.com to be a good alternative. MorphToken also still works though fees tend to be a bit higher and coin selection is more limited 14:39:04 https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitwats-release-most-profitable-asic-195600764.html someone is trying to run a scam ASIC manufacturing company and is claiming 5-15MH/s for monero asics 14:39:26 lol 14:39:36 self published article trying to sound like an official press release through yahoo 14:41:33 * botcoinnotbot[m] uploaded an image: (1159KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/oJPeNeNMYArRYltWvStbdKgH/Screenshot%20of%20ASIC%20scammer%20site.png > 14:58:37 lol 15:01:56 "Also, the company covers the delivery and custom fees for its customers." What's not to like there? 15:06:21 @pluton isn't 20 confirmation a lot? 15:06:24 for monero 15:06:31 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/645553495184900106/835169774383267841/unknown.png 15:06:35 i mean the tip bot 15:12:19 Oh 15:12:24 I just set it 15:12:42 I can reduce it if users request 15:13:07 What s minimum you think of? 15:13:12 10? 15:14:16 Or even lower 5? 15:14:40 I can change it tomorrow. Tbh, nobody ever asked lower, so i just keep that. 15:18:57 Ty for suggestion 15:48:11 UGHHHHH I do not like this exchange 16:28:58 Bigboiimike: what's wrongs? 16:35:52 Bigboiimike: have you checked out kraken yet? 16:37:43 what is max hash rate seen in wild 16:37:56 or claimed i guess i should say? 17:52:09 https://etherscan.io/address/0x5db0115f3b72d19cea34dd697cf412ff86dc7e1b 17:52:25 USDC addresses just got blacklisted 17:53:06 I'm curious to know too. What the hell are those numbers. Makes no sense to even buy if that machine works like that 17:54:53 If they aren't bullshit numbers, I would buy it right now 17:55:10 For $25k 17:57:50 * I'm curious to know too. What the hell are those numbers. Makes no sense to even buy of an exchange if that machine works like that 17:58:00 * I'm curious to know too. What the hell are those numbers. Makes no sense to even buy off an exchange if that machine works like that 18:10:55 WOWNERO TO THE MOON! 18:12:08 WOWNERO UP 2000% THE PAST 2 WEEKS, MUCH WOW! 18:16:47 WOWNERO > MONERO 18:17:29 WOW SO MANY NEROS! 18:17:39 GET MORE NEROS WHEN YOU BUY WOWNERO! 18:19:04 * moneromooo pilfers op from someone 18:19:52 MUCH WOW! 18:22:16 Did anyone buy ARRR? 18:22:31 #monero-markets 18:23:48 I feel so stupid for not buying some at $0,15 18:24:14 WOW! 18:24:29 Even though I like Monero better... That was a great oppurtunity 18:25:20 I really hope Monero/Wownero will skyrocket soon 18:25:40 MUCH PUMP, MANY DUMP 18:25:51 WOW! 18:35:06 i bought some arrr then i did my due dilligence and i sold it all before pump 18:36:36 :/ 18:37:06 MUCH SAD, THINK LIKE RETARDS AND BECOME WEALTHY 18:38:46 HODL WOWNERO. WOW! 18:38:58 MUCH WHALES, MANY RETARDS! 18:39:49 Can anyone point me in th right direction to get the cracked version of photoshop? If anyone can help me get it i will give $5 in monero to this person please pm me so i don't get lost in the conversation.... Thanks for all the support thus far. 18:40:58 @Bigboiimike: Why? There's Gimp 18:47:04 BTC/XMR bouncing back up again 18:47:16 ARRR looks like a scamcoin, from what I've seen. 18:47:39 I don't know, it's a big hype now... But I feel like it can crash anytime 18:49:15 I don't care about things that don't take more than a year for me to get the money I want, because I don't want to deal with short-term capital gains. 18:49:44 . . . except in cases where the point is completely separate from USD, like Monero. 18:50:01 I care about Monero regardless of whether there's some short-term hype-spike in price. 18:50:10 True 18:50:22 I mean like, Doge has pumped as well 18:50:35 Yeah. 18:51:21 I think I might buy a pile of Doge when it crashes down to a stupidly low level again (as it inevitably must, I think), then just wait -- a year, two, three, whatever -- for it to see another hype resurgence and sell it all. 18:52:22 Pick a number of USD that I don't care much about losing, and use that to buy the immortal memecoin. 18:52:54 I suspect Dogecoin will still be chugging along at about two cents, except for weird meme spikes, in 2030. 18:52:55 :) 18:53:23 It just took me until very recently for me to get over my gut-level loathing of the whole idea of Dogecoin. 18:53:31 #monero-markets #monero-markets #monero-markets #monero-markets #monero-markets #monero-markets #monero-markets 18:53:32 :) 18:53:36 . . . bcause I never liked the Doge meme in the first place. 18:54:01 It's very obnoxiously millennial/zoomer-feeling. 18:54:38 selsta: Are you trying to get people to stop talking about this subject? 18:54:49 (in this channel) 18:54:55 You bight me right 18:55:03 Doge for zoomers and Wownero for boomers 18:55:07 har 18:55:11 WOWNERO #1 DOGE! PRIVACY IMPORTANT BITCHES! 18:55:26 I'm not sure there are boomers who've heard of Wownero. 18:55:34 WOW! 18:55:34 I could ask Mom, I suppose. 18:55:53 Mom is Wow, as reflected in the water of the dog dish, by the way. 18:58:17 It's time to make a "privacy" scamcoin called Momnero. Who wants to help me? 18:59:08 STUDENTNERO! 18:59:18 WOW! 19:01:55 I doubt it would be a good idea to try to get Mom on Monero, actually. 19:02:21 @apotheon: when are you considered a boomer? 19:02:55 When you can launch your first ICBM unaided. 19:03:18 Will a Commodore 64 do as well? 19:03:53 MONEROMOOO, ABANDON MONERO AND SWITCH TO WOWNERO, WOW, RIGHT?! 19:04:11 Is @latvianfemaleinv a bot? 19:04:20 Probavly just an asshole. 19:04:28 WWO! 19:04:36 TRIPLE WOW! 19:05:02 MUCH FORK, MANY WOW! 19:05:09 lol, aright 19:05:22 Time to do something else 19:05:23 WOW! UP 2000% IN 2 WEEKS! 19:05:40 Kontvolkoren: Boomers were conceived following WWII, and born between then and the '60s, I think. 19:05:53 Kontvolkoren: I don't recall the rough cut-off point between baby bomers and Gen X. 19:05:57 s/bomers/boomers/ 19:06:09 I suspect BTC is the actual bommercoin. 19:06:12 shit 19:06:15 boomercoin 19:06:16 wtf 19:06:27 My fingers don't want to coöperate when typing boomer. 19:07:09 I do know that people born in the '70s are Gen X, though. 19:08:12 I wasn't actually annoyed by latvianfemaleinv yet, but I can understand if others were. I guess the novelty hadn't worn off. 19:08:56 there was a baby boom after world war 2, it is people born from about 1946-1956 or so that where called boomers 19:09:16 Ah, there we go. 19:09:21 hmm 19:09:29 Gen X started earlier than I remembered, then. 19:09:39 no idea 19:10:14 I guess anywhere between '55 and '60 would be a starting point I'd accept as making sense. I'm not exactly an expert on this, though. 19:11:02 considering a generation is 20 years who knows who is included in what "group" 19:11:41 I think some people say Gen X birthdates could be as late as '85, but that seems to kinda push it. I think the early '80s got included in Gen X only because people have subsequently tried to erase Gen Y, splitting it up between Gen X and millennials. 19:12:22 nioc: The twenty-year thing is very heuristic-ish, and I think it's effectively getting shorter now, to the extent that people are trying to associate cultural movements with generations. 19:12:52 Back in the middle ages, a generation was necessarily less than twenty years, because people started making babies earlier and died earlier than they do now, anyway. 19:13:16 Now, we're getting to the point where (for some reason) sexual maturity has started happening earlier. 19:13:47 yeah all the hormonal pollution 19:14:42 There may be an evolutionary component to that, where in post-industrial countries the older you get before having babies the less likely you are to have them at all, as people use a lot of birth control when they're old enough to recognize that's a really good idea, and women focus more on careers for a longer period of time, so the people who are most likely to procreate are increasingly 19:14:48 all that extra food consumption probably helps 19:14:49 becoming people who get pregnant when they're still too young to be smart enough to avoid teenage pregnancies. 19:15:03 . . . but yeah, there's a lot of hormone-influencing shit in food, in tap water, and so on, now. 19:16:18 too early in the cycle for evolutionary pressure to be causing earlier maturity 19:18:52 Bigboiimike check https://www.photopea.com/ 19:46:12 nioc: I wasn't so much talking about evolutionary pressure "causing" it *already* as being in motion now. 19:48:13 Depending on how radical a change in breeding habits there is, the dominanc of the gene in those who have it, and how quickly people are increasing their tendency to have unprotected sex at younger ages, a couple generations could already give rise to some measurable drift. 19:48:44 . . . assuming a wide disparity in available genetic sexual maturity variance applies when it starts. 19:51:02 The idea would be that, if there's a pre-existing wide disparity in genetically determined sexual maturity, and the lower ages of maturity are a result of dominant genes, a breeding tendency cliff for people past mid-teens could result in a huge breeding demographic shift that ensures most breeding opportunities occur in the lower age range and breed true in subsequent generations. 19:51:27 Of course, that's assuming a *lot*, so I'm just speculating *very* wildly. 19:52:57 On the subject of Photoshop . . . I'm not even sure there's such a thing as a cracked version of Photoshop in the world from the last five years, give or take. Isn't Adobe going all-in on the network-dependent applications thing? 20:00:33 i think thats the only way to prevent cracking 20:02:12 apotheon: gene fixation (e.g fixation of an allele of a gene in a population) happens very slowly large populations like humans unless there is some sort of extreme natural selection placed upon the population 20:02:55 apotheon check out Adobezii 20:03:15 humans are not very diverse, the entire genetic diversity of all humans is conducive with a population of around 10.000 individuals 20:03:17 There is a way to bork the permissions required by Creative Cloud 20:04:57 apotheon: wild speculation \o/ 20:07:28 is any command to clear the daemon log in the gui wallet? 20:08:12 *i mean the text output in the gui wallet 20:09:40 ctrl l 20:09:49 usually clears a terminal screen 20:17:55 botcoinnotbot[m]: I'm basically describing extreme natural selection. 20:18:37 nioc: Yes, wild speculation, indeed. 20:19:01 nioc: What I describe is more likely the background for a scifi/dystopian novel plot than reality. 20:19:49 Anyway, reduced ages of sexual maturity in post-industrial cultures is probably the result of a combination of factors rather than one single factor, anyway. 20:19:54 anyway anyway 20:20:00 Pretend I don't type anyway so much. 20:23:30 all good, perspective is clear and reasonable 20:24:16 apotheon: iirc people suggest somethign similar is going on in cats 20:24:53 but also, you need to keep in mind what % of teenage pregnancies end in abortion - probably most of them 20:26:16 hm 20:26:24 that Zii thing is interesting, if you're into Adobe shit 20:26:26 I'm not. 20:26:55 yanmaani: Yeah, there's some amount of that going on. 20:27:08 are there any countries where Monero is banned? Thanks in advance 20:27:32 apotheon: if anything, I'm gonna guess the opposite of your theory going on - namely, religious people tend to have much more kids 20:27:41 the mormons etc being at the top 20:27:44 On the other hand, I suspect there's a disproportionately large number of cases of teen pregnancy amongst people who come from families opposed to contraception on religious grounds, and wouldn't allow abortions. 20:28:18 because of the way society is, a lot of those people who are raised religious but don't fit in end up apostasizing 20:29:44 I already realized at about age four that most of the lies people tell each other (in movies, TV, literature, advertising, and "birds and bees" conversations) about love and sex are, to put it bluntly, bullshit. 20:30:04 so what you've seen is that the religious groups people are getting more and more "specialized", basically. So as apostasy gets lower and lower, assuming no conversions, growth rate of a religion == "demographic" growth rate 20:30:09 . . . so yeah, apostasy would have been a likely outcome if I grew up in a Mormon family. 20:31:30 So if the atheists average 0.9 kids, and the mormons average 4 kids, it's easy to see what's going to happen. The weak Mormons become atheists and don't have any kids, the strong Mormons have a dozen, and in a few generations America will once again be like she was 20:32:09 I've heard of cases where a family has arranged home birthing and claimed the newborn's grandmother was the actual mother, to avoid scandal and whatnot, but that's just anecdotal, so that might not amount to much. 20:32:47 If it does amount to a lot, it could mean that there are far more teen pregnancies than are reported. 20:33:10 (This gets easier with homeschooling, which seems to be higher amongst religious families than atheist families, from what I've seen.) 20:33:33 Again, I'm just wildly speculating, so . . . just take this as a very long-winded way to say "All our guesses could be wrong." 20:34:06 Speculation is fun sometimes, especially for writers. 20:34:15 (and infosec profesionals) 20:34:20 s/sion/ssion/ 20:34:25 (I've been paid for both.) 20:35:10 apotheon: what about foreign countries that don't have this at all tho? 20:35:35 I think the United Kingdom totally bans homeschooling, for example 20:36:05 yanmaani: Yeah, that changes things. Then again . . . 20:36:14 1. The UK's population is much smaller than that of the US. 20:36:30