01:26:58 <lxrgvzervmqp> What kind of person steals from own community? http://removeddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d6okb/fluffypony_needs_to_give_up_his_commit_access_and/ (changed link to removeddit since /r/monero mod removed to try to cover it up - maybe fluffy himself?) Your own leaders are laughing at how stupid you are for falling for thier 'Magical Crypto Friendship'
01:49:06 <Norkle> .faucet
01:49:08 <Wallet> N​orkle: 1/4 ​of 16
01:49:17 <Norkle> 3
01:49:17 <Wallet> Norkle: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)
01:53:24 <abcdefg_irssi> .faucet
01:53:24 <Wallet> ab​cdefg_irssi: Of 6 + 0, wh​ich is 6
01:53:31 <abcdefg_irssi> 6
01:53:31 <Wallet> abcdefg_irssi: @bonuspot tipped 0.000025 XMR to abcdefg_irssi [aabcedcf] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01708305
04:07:12 <Norkle> .faucet
04:07:13 <Wallet> N​orkle: Squ​are is how many sides?
04:07:16 <Norkle> 4
04:07:16 <Wallet> Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000013 XMR to Norkle [02c25104] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01707511
04:13:08 <endogenic> jj1013[m]: I dont think they're shilling people away from monero..?
04:14:15 <endogenic> mandelbrot42[m]: i asked opendime if they'd do it for monero but they kinda ignored me
04:14:25 <endogenic> maybe i just need to try again
04:14:47 <endogenic> i didnt find any reason it cant be done for monero
04:26:35 <gingeropolous> MrX[m], what OS etc
04:27:37 <MrX[m]> <gingeropolous "Mr. X, what OS etc"> I think my data.mdb file might be corrupted so I am trying resyncing to see if that works
04:28:15 <gingeropolous> windows?
04:28:17 <MrX[m]> * I think my data.mdb file might be corrupted so I deleted it and am trying resyncing to see if that works
04:28:22 <MrX[m]> MacOS
04:28:31 <gingeropolous> hrm
05:05:12 <fpweagmpfi> FUK has bееn intеnsеly hostilе to Monеro for ovеr 4 yеars. Making minеrs for Monеro, making a pool for Monеro, making codе that Monеro copiеd, not using bugs to stеal millions from еxchangеs. Wow. Such grеat hostility.
05:36:09 <DisBotXMR1> <BrianTX> You're mentally ill.  Find another hobby.
06:45:21 <thehunter> after how much verification till transaction arrives?
06:47:08 <fehho[m]> thehunter: a transaction 'arrives' to your wallet on the first confirmation, spendable after 10 blocks (~20 minutes)
06:57:14 <spacekitty420[m]> should also be able to see it before the 1st conf, like, if is in the mempool, `monero-wallet-cli` would prompt for password and details might show while typing `show_transactions` or something like that
07:02:27 <Bill48105> lol BrianTX that idiot leaves immediately after spewing their BS. unless they are lurking here on different account or there's public logs available they're not seeing responses.
07:30:30 <dtltimwz> 'Oddly, no one who was directly involved with the SIR-C missions and currently still working the Lab, remembers the name Howard Chu, except for one who vaguely recalls Eugene Chu as having a brother names Howard'
07:30:30 <dtltimwz> Ed Caro, NASA Chief Engineer. cryptogazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/1-768x1445.png
07:34:39 <Bill48105> wonder if a bot that auto quieted anyone with new registration would deter that asshat or just convince him to alter his methods lol
07:39:22 <Mochi101> .faucet
07:39:22 <Wallet> Mo​chi101: First digit o​f pi
07:39:25 <Mochi101> 3
07:39:25 <Wallet> Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.000002 XMR to Mochi101 [3b077a95] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01706911
07:39:34 <Mochi101> .balance
07:39:34 <Wallet> Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000078 XMR (≈0 USD)
07:39:41 <Mochi101> killin it
07:39:43 <azy> im here morning faucet meeting
07:39:45 <azy> .faucet
07:39:46 <Wallet> ​azy: 10000000 times 3 divide​d by 7 multiplied by 0
07:39:51 * moneromooo scribbles "mochi101 can learn" on a secret notebook
07:39:52 <azy> ...
07:39:52 <Wallet> azy: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)
07:39:53 <Mochi101> 0
07:39:54 <yeswepump> .faucet
07:39:55 <Wallet> ye​swepump: 10000000 times 3 d​ivided by 7 multiplied by 0
07:39:57 <yeswepump> 0
07:39:58 <Wallet> yeswepump: @bonuspot tipped 0.00001 XMR to yeswepump [8867b3c8] Wait ≈23 hrs 53 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01705911
07:40:35 <azy> i saw  10000000 times 3 divide​d by 7 and noped out
07:40:41 <Mochi101> lol
07:41:21 <Mochi101> You always pull out early?
07:42:24 <raecarruth> o_0
07:42:51 <azy> ugh that actually describes me quite well
07:44:31 <sech1> .faucet
07:44:32 <Wallet> s​ech1: Of 6 <-> 1, which​ is 1
07:44:34 <sech1> 1
07:44:35 <Wallet> sech1: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000075 XMR to sech1 [3e7f57bc] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01705161
07:47:12 <Bill48105> any # x 0 is ... zero
07:47:35 <Bill48105> wow that's super rare for same question to appear in order
07:55:58 <azy> .faucet
07:56:01 <Wallet> ​azy: What number is O​NE
07:56:02 <azy> 1
07:56:03 <Wallet> azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000028 XMR to azy [66b1e785] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01704881
07:56:05 <azy> thats more like it
07:56:12 <mechanic41turk[m> Finally live: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QAmOn8X-eKk
10:36:49 <Inge-> .faucet
10:36:49 <Wallet> I​nge-: How m​any letters in TFUEL
10:36:54 <Inge-> 5
10:36:54 <Wallet> Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000007 XMR to Inge- [14facbed] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01704811
10:37:04 <Inge-> heads up https://twitter.com/DarkDotFail/status/1387982932309069824?s=19
10:37:55 <floralshoppe[m]1> .faucet
10:37:55 <Wallet> floralshoppe[m]1: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?
10:38:14 <floralshoppe[m]1> rip
10:49:51 <hmmp> .faucet
10:49:53 <Wallet> h​mmp: How man​y letters in ASAFE2
10:49:57 <hmmp> 6
10:49:57 <Wallet> hmmp: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000004 XMR to hmmp [0bba79eb] Wait ≈23 hrs 53 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01704771
10:50:32 <Mochi101> Bill48105, that's wrong
10:50:52 <Mochi101> 5 letters and 1 number
10:51:19 <Mochi101> s/letters/digits
10:51:26 <Mochi101> not even
10:51:33 <Mochi101> characters
10:51:58 <Mochi101> This was also a difficult decision on monero.win
11:34:19 <DisBotXMR1> <hxr404> .b
11:34:39 <DisBotXMR1> <hxr404> .balance
12:05:27 <mandelbrot42[m]> <endogenic "maybe i just need to try again"> That would be wonderful, thanks :)
12:27:33 * icutjheib[m] uploaded an image: (45KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/akwxgFuhEvuQBbeUViXAhlfY/b230.2.jpg >
12:41:21 * qjliohcu[m] uploaded an image: (64KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/qoHRNCEVwBuXhiioNvLWqPaP/b221.jpg >
12:45:52 <spacekitty420[m]> the fuck is with those bot spam
12:51:04 <endor00[m]> Has been going on for a while
12:51:48 <endor00[m]> I suspect that the freenode account that was used might have been banned? The spammer seems to have changed tools, they're using matrix now
12:53:44 <selsta> they had hundreds of freenode accounts
12:54:00 <ern> What is it ?
12:54:05 <ern> Them pics
12:54:40 <selsta> spam bot
12:54:45 <spacekitty420[m]> ern: memes to fud xmr, like, what is that even about anyways? like... jfc
12:54:53 <ern> Hmm, ok
12:55:05 <jpcldacr> What kind of person steals from their own community? http://removeddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d6okb/fluffypony_needs_to_give_up_his_commit_access_and/ (changed link to removeddit since /r/monero mod removed to try to cover it up - maybe fluffy himself?)
12:55:07 <ern> "whatever flöts your böt"
12:55:26 <ern> But why is this guy so butthurt?
12:55:33 <ern> I dont understand this
12:55:58 <selsta> ern: mental health issues
12:56:15 <spacekitty420[m]> oh, that one seemed to come from irc side rather than matrix
12:56:31 <moneromooo> Wanted to be part of us. Kept being abusive. Got the cold shoulder. Can't take rejection. Does not understand the concept of consent.
12:57:13 <moneromooo> It's the old jilted dude turning stalker because in his mind, we're just confused and want him or something.
12:57:41 <spacekitty420[m]> is that fire uk dude or whatever that name was, still? or yet someone else?
12:57:51 <moneromooo> It'll be background noise till the day he finds another fixation.
12:58:19 <spacekitty420[m]> like, that's just cringe tbh
13:35:48 <ern> Hmm, what to do with 10 of them coins
14:01:36 <charolastra> send them to me
14:05:39 * lnunxibjrz[m] uploaded an image: (76KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/AVKezxDmPyLbyOhJGHSCWLFa/b334.jpg >
14:09:55 <spacekitty420[m]> sigh
14:31:01 <mfoolb> .faucet
14:31:02 <Wallet> m​foolb: How many​ letters in NSURE
14:31:06 <mfoolb> 5
14:31:06 <Wallet> mfoolb: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000035 XMR to mfoolb [b8c388b4] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01704421
14:34:42 <botcoinnotbot[m]> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1906.05754.pdf <-- bitcoin tainting methods described here if you are interested
14:39:19 <Juero> Are there any good XMR esports betting sites?
14:47:19 <Mochi101> oops... I read escorts
14:47:50 <Juero> escort betting services hahaha
14:48:13 <Mochi101> Who's going to finish first for this round?
14:48:22 <entry1> Tbh, I'd bet on escorts.
14:50:32 <Juero> I've looked around some and couldnt find any sites with xmr
14:50:33 <Juero> so sad
14:57:29 <botcoinnotbot[m]> Juero: there probably is demand for a hidden xmr gambling site, would be hard to establish trust tho
15:01:00 <Juero> Yea, I'd say there is
15:15:02 <ern> .faucet
15:15:03 <Wallet> ​ern: How many le​tters in ISLA
15:15:05 <ern> 4
15:15:06 <Wallet> ern: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000001 XMR to ern [cddf7b8e] Wait ≈23 hrs 53 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01704411
15:15:12 <ern> yayyy
15:15:37 <ern> How many characters in N'SYNC
15:15:53 <spacekitty420[m]> 6
15:15:59 <ern> yep
15:16:13 <spacekitty420[m]> \o/
15:16:58 <SerHack> .faucet
15:17:00 <Wallet> S​erHack: How ​many letters in METM
15:17:08 <SerHack> 4
15:17:09 <Wallet> SerHack: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000066 XMR to SerHack [ade609c6] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01703751
15:18:50 <spacekitty420[m]> .faucet
15:18:50 <Wallet> spacekitty420[m]: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?
15:18:59 <spacekitty420[m]> fu
15:19:30 * vvzaozfijsp[m] uploaded an image: (80KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/pxULjVvpYnhSZtxrpESRMFXf/b09.jpg >
15:26:52 * spacekitty420[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/kbQUdxUQTeVhbecluxFNslHZ/message.txt >
15:27:13 * spacekitty420[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/gBXsPfTOixrxUmdGNaHBcejS/message.txt >
15:40:16 <Mochi101> spacekitty420[m] denied
15:41:31 <spacekitty420[m]> cause .txt instead of the message? i think is when there's links added with some text the bridge does that
15:41:52 <spacekitty420[m]> not like the spam bot would read any of that anyways
15:43:44 <Mochi101> no spacekitty420[m]. I was refering to Wallet
15:43:47 <Mochi101> :P
15:43:48 <spacekitty420[m]> earlier thats some arrr shill that was spamming the same type of lies, prob different people tbh but thats cringe how those lies get spread so easily
15:43:53 <asymptotically> spacekitty420[m]: it's when you send a multi-line message
15:44:01 <spacekitty420[m]> oh! right right x)
15:44:11 <Mochi101> hehehe
15:44:26 * Mochi101 notes spacekitty420[m]'s short term memory.
15:44:45 <spacekitty420[m]> :'(
15:45:00 <Mochi101> It's ok, at least you'r not a ginger.
15:47:18 <spacekitty420[m]> naturally brunette, dyed blonde, tho, they do get to the ginger momentarily when bleaching to blonde.. :hyperthonk:
15:47:48 <Mochi101> 8^)
15:48:08 <Mochi101> ( )
15:48:11 <Mochi101> (  )
15:48:19 <Mochi101> Do you want to build a snowman?
15:49:14 <spacekitty420[m]> oh! like in that movie "cannibal the musical"? dude building a snowman and whatnot but then they all pissed off at the dude cause they all loosing it o.o
15:49:54 <Mochi101> hmmm
15:50:18 <spacekitty420[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kN7EyPBmrI
15:50:46 <spacekitty420[m]> we in summer tho, rigs heating too so... not much snow here
15:51:55 <Mochi101> so no
15:53:40 <spacekitty420[m]> :sadPeepo:
16:23:02 <Bill48105> lel Mochi101 i had to scroll back to see what you meant but had a hunch & i was right.  and yeah i'm aware of the issue. i'm re-uses a function that was meant for words for coin names/tickers which happen to have #'s sometimes. the bot randomly choose "characters" or "letters" or "numbers" based on if it's a number but it fails test on mixed case that didn't exist befire
16:23:47 <Mochi101> :)
16:40:19 <Bill48105> so yeah i need to modify the test for number or not but until then so far people are smart enough to figure out it's characters but if i do fix it it will literally mean count letters or numbers when it says letters or numbers ;)
16:40:22 <spacekitty420[m]> oh hi Bill! still working on the multiplatform tipbot?
16:40:30 <Bill48105> never end
16:40:40 <Bill48105> never ends :)
16:40:46 <spacekitty420[m]> hehe :P
16:41:31 <spacekitty420[m]> do you think you could integrate one in the monero discord someday?
16:42:06 <spacekitty420[m]> like, there used to be one over there already but then had to be retired
16:44:45 <Bill48105> i'm open to it if whoever runs it is
16:45:11 <spacekitty420[m]> alrighty awesome <3
16:45:45 <Bill48105> i can't just add the bot anywhere but irc. even then i always get permission or go by request of someone authorized to say it is ok
16:46:57 <Bill48105> but yeah the bot is on 10+ platforms now & while i keep public invites off so i can have some say in where it ends up I normally approve it being added places unless i think it'll be abused or cause an issue
16:47:20 <spacekitty420[m]> was it like, you werent open-sourcing the multiplatform one but could consider it for single platform maybe?
16:47:40 <spacekitty420[m]> oh nice :O
16:47:50 <spacekitty420[m]> came a long way eh :P
16:49:50 <Bill48105> well i'm asked about sharing the source but not really any reason to beyond feeding curiosity & ripe for abuse so it's run as a service and not much reason for anyone to need the source
16:52:40 <spacekitty420[m]> if am not mistaken, for the monero discord at least it was by rehar request for trust purposes on the previous bot but even then, code didnt get reused or anything
16:53:17 <spacekitty420[m]> oh right, is it like an on-chain one btw? or more off chain like Drew is doing?
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16:54:42 <Bill48105> the bot is all off-chain except deposit/withdraw which moves coins from/to chain as needed
16:55:01 <spacekitty420[m]> dang alrighty
16:56:41 <Bill48105> as far as trust even if i shared source there's no way anyone would be able to verify the live bot was what was shared kinda pointless. i go into detail in bot docs about best practices with online wallets including bots regarding holder of keys & never storing more outside your control than you're willing or able to risk losing
16:58:58 <spacekitty420[m]> right, thats fair :P
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18:11:45 <zib> Is there any public code to replicate the same features as xmr.to? Or if someone knows the people at xmr.to to continue the project :)
18:31:42 <jj1013[m]> <shrzygjih[m] "b112.jpg"> No shit, Sherlock.
18:32:45 <jj1013[m]> <zib "Is there any public code to repl"> They had legal problems, so I very much doubt it's going to continue.
18:33:49 <Bill48105> what did xmr.to do?
18:33:57 <Bill48105> like to buy monero?
18:34:31 <fehho[m]> fixed rate instant exchange which only pair was one way xmr>btc
18:34:33 <jj1013[m]> <Bill48105 "like to buy monero?"> Did you forget, Ricky?
18:34:42 <Bill48105> who's ricky
18:35:11 <jj1013[m]> <Bill48105 "who's ricky"> I'm replying to you.
18:36:33 <Bill48105> my name isn't ricky
18:40:14 <Mochi101> ok ricky
18:41:32 <Bill48105> kek i must be missing the joke somehow
18:44:14 <spacekitty420[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqioFMkRzrM
18:44:20 <zib> jj1013[m]: I know. But then maybe they can just share their code so I can continue :D
18:44:36 <zib> Or if there's some other public exchange code.
18:44:56 <zib> Don't want to re-invent the wheel. Especially when it's about keeping coins safe online
18:45:14 <Bill48105> figure whatever fate they had you would too if not corrected
18:45:54 <zib> all depends on jurisdiction
18:47:34 <Mochi101> Don't worry Bill48105, I was just pulling the line and have no idea what's on the end of it. ;)
18:50:27 <Bill48105> lol bored are we :D
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19:16:00 <Bill48105> what with the uploaded images. afraid to look at them lol
19:17:56 <charolastra> i think it's just some (anti?) monero meme
19:19:39 <Bill48105> them joining then doing image right away can't be good sign lol
19:20:15 <fehho[m]> matrix with random letters name with Firefox/Ubuntu useragent = astroturfing/fud campaign
19:21:12 <Bill48105[m]> lol yup shitposting
19:21:23 <Bill48105[m]> guessing the same Dbag doing the freenode join n drops
19:25:38 <jj1013[m]> <knhowgexhut[m] "b999.jpg"> It's a pro-Monero picture.
19:26:09 <jj1013[m]> <fehho[m] "matrix with random letters name "> Hold up.
19:26:25 <jj1013[m]> I didn't pay attention to that.
19:27:28 <jj1013[m]> <charolastra "i think it's just some (anti?) m"> Is it really an anti-Monero meme? It looks like it's praising Monero.
19:29:08 <charolastra> dunno, i have a hard time figuring out what's serious and what's not in these times. the top part looks kind of ultra nazi stuff
19:30:30 <Bill48105> the one is definitely anti monero
19:30:32 <fehho[m]> <jj1013[m] "Is it really an anti-Monero meme"> The way that it is doing it
19:31:25 <fehho[m]> > <@jj1013.:privacytools.io> Is it really an anti-Monero meme? It looks like it's praising Monero.
19:31:26 <fehho[m]>  * The way that it is doing it's praise is cult-like, trying give the appearance Monero associated with echo-chamber cult community.
19:46:58 <endor00[m]> <Bill48105[m] "guessing the same Dbag doing the"> Did more than that in the mining chat - under his official nickname even. I was hoping to have some fun with a "put up or shut up" conversation, but sadly he chose the latter
19:47:17 <endor00[m]> Could have been popcorn-worthy material
19:48:34 <Bill48105> lol figure feeding the trolls just prods them more
19:48:41 <endor00[m]> <fehho[m] "The way that it is doing it"> That's exactly what he's doing. Can't stop it on a technical level, so you attack the image and credibility of a community level
19:49:11 <endor00[m]> * That's exactly what he's doing. Can't stop it on a technical level, so you attack the image and credibility of a community instead
19:49:28 <endor00[m]> <Bill48105 "lol figure feeding the trolls ju"> I'm *that* bored
19:51:40 <endor00[m]> But sadly he kept deflecting and talking about cults and fluffy. Which especially funny, since he did that right after claiming that people deflect when they're afraid.
19:51:43 <Bill48105> dang that's awful bored
19:51:53 <endor00[m]> Ikr
20:16:55 <nlpaqihaxix> FIY, you want to know why you are getting those daily messages? Cults NEED to control information. That's why people like lh1008 get savagly attacked (also called disconnection) for even talking to me. Break the information embargo, break the cult. Who would sign up to Scientology if they knew from the get-go that is is about a sci-fi alien overlord? Who would sign up to MAGA if they knew what a lose
20:16:55 <nlpaqihaxix> r Trump is?
20:16:55 <nlpaqihaxix> You don't sign up to MAGA to do a failed Viking LARP and some time off in club fed. You sign up because you feel like shit and they promise to give you self-respect. It is a total lie of course, you are still a joke even when cosplaying a Viking. Just like Monero's promise of privacy is a lie.
20:17:11 <jj1013[m]> <endor00[m] "That's exactly what he's doing. "> That's something similar to what's happening to GrapheneOS.
20:17:49 <jj1013[m]> ADMINS???
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20:19:38 <jj1013[m]> I swear, if these people are the same from the Firo community I'll find a way to fucking raid the damn Matrix group.
20:21:58 <jj1013[m]> <mfaiceyhd[m] "b332.jpg"> Firefox Ubuntu user agent.
20:26:12 <fehho[m]> It's been going on for a long while, a bit ago they were attacking the network itself but stopped when it was realized that some of the developers were dedicated enough to work on patches during christmas day.
20:29:06 <fehho[m]> jj1013.: I don't remember firo/zcoin having done anything, though I don't keep up with the drama
20:29:43 <Norkle> .faucet
20:29:43 <Wallet> N​orkle: How many le​tters in GCR
20:29:46 <Norkle> 3
20:29:47 <Wallet> Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000001 XMR to Norkle [7e4e8bc2] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01703741
20:30:23 <jj1013[m]> <fehho[m] "It's been going on for a long wh"> Hm.
20:54:24 <synaps3> is monero more private than btc lightning network ?
20:56:27 <jj1013[m]> <synaps3 "is monero more private than btc "> Yes,.
20:56:59 <synaps3> but btc lightning network has some tor like hops
20:57:05 <synaps3> not pure btc
20:57:41 <synaps3> a friend convinces me that btc lightning network is better than monero privacy wise
20:57:44 <jj1013[m]> <synaps3 "but btc lightning network has so"> It's just as effective as Dash.
20:58:15 <jj1013[m]> <synaps3 "a friend convinces me that btc l"> Most likely your friend is a Bitcoin maximalist.
20:58:21 <fehho[m]> synaps3: Yes, LN's privacy is more of a lucky benefit of not logging history. If a node decides to log anyways, there is 0 privacy.
20:59:01 <synaps3> oh yeah he is haha
21:07:24 <spacekitty420[m]> <synaps3 "is monero more private than btc "> chainalysis claimed the $625k bounty from irs because of btc LN, not because of monero
21:10:13 <synaps3> oh so they can track btc ln
21:10:27 <spacekitty420[m]> yup
21:11:32 <nioc> it's very difficult to add on privacy to something that is inherently not private
21:12:05 <nioc> or where privacy is optional
21:12:21 <spacekitty420[m]> 2nd layer solutions aint the real solutions, same as for the internet itself which was not built with security and privacy in mind
21:13:38 <chr0n05[m]> JHODL
21:14:00 <fehho[m]> also reminder that this is an irc channel named monero and is likely to be biased towards monero
21:15:39 <chr0n05[m]> maybe all things you though were true turned out to be someone elses lies
21:16:28 <spacekitty420[m]> we biased af o.o
21:16:47 <chr0n05[m]> i have libreboot
21:16:50 <chr0n05[m]> no bios
21:18:55 <Mochi101> .hmmm
21:31:42 <Mochi101> .hmmm
21:31:51 <Mochi101> oh man... no wonder
21:47:39 <yanmaani> nioc: I'm curious about this though
21:47:50 <yanmaani> say you'd make a crypto, that's like monero, except it's a sidechain of bitcoin
21:48:28 <yanmaani> so to deposit, you move coins into a anyone-can-spend address, and to withdraw, you provide a spv proof of valid withdrawal
21:48:43 <yanmaani> wouldn't that beat monero, frankly
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21:49:32 <apotheon> yanmaani: depends on the standards for "winning"
21:50:06 <yanmaani> I mean, it'd gain adoption - you can get the bitcoin UoA, and "number go up", etc
21:50:20 <nioc> they talked about the limitations of moving coins between btc and a private side chain in MRL a while back.  There are issues with this and I am certainly not one to be able to explain it
21:50:48 <apotheon> yanmaani: Is short-term adoption what you consider "winning"?
21:56:05 <yanmaani> apotheon: even long-term too, surely
21:56:25 <yanmaani> you'd get a single common unit of account. it would be very bad for monero, though, and obviously unseemly
22:03:15 <jj1013[m]> <uuzrumknu[m] "52she5.jpg"> 1. Succ is dead.
22:03:26 <jj1013[m]> > <@uuzrumknu:matrix.org> sent an image.
22:03:26 <jj1013[m]>  * 1. Succ is dead.
22:03:26 <jj1013[m]> 2. The last panel didn't make any sense
22:04:17 <jj1013[m]> <chr0n05[m] "i have libreboot"> Libre =/= secure
22:08:13 <nioc> y even bother
22:16:33 <Guest4274> tesy
22:16:36 <Guest4274> test*
22:29:08 <entry1> <Guest4274 "test*"> Failed
22:33:10 <apotheon> Is this a spelling test?
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23:13:36 <jj1013[m]> <zetdgxooa[m] "b09.jpg"> All right, this is getting annoying.
23:14:41 <nioc> no, it's pathetic
23:16:55 <hyc> what, banning on freenode was too effective so now he's using matrix? sad
23:17:02 <yanmaani> I don't even understand the meme
23:17:30 <selsta> we just have to add a couple more mods on matrix side, they can ban and hide the message
23:17:48 <yanmaani> on the matrix side only
23:17:51 <selsta> on freenode side people can ignore it
23:18:40 <pml4[m]> What kind of info can they extract form the blockchain
23:18:49 <apotheon> "transactions happened"
23:19:02 <pml4[m]> 🥴
23:20:02 <mechanimist[m]> "one of these addresses sent some amount to that stealth address"
23:21:33 <nioc> one of these 11
23:21:51 <apotheon> this address belongs to someone
23:21:54 <apotheon> presumably
23:22:08 <hyc> lol good point - can't even tell if it's a burn address
23:22:09 <nioc> I would hope so lol
23:23:59 <apotheon> "someone"
23:24:07 <hyc> actually I don't think you can really even say "one of these addresses sent"
23:24:20 <hyc> you see a ring of 11 outputs
23:24:28 <hyc> you don't know where those outputs came from
23:25:04 <hyc> if you're lucky, one of the outputs of the txn gets used in another txn's ring
23:25:19 <hyc> and then you can say that it might have come from somewhere
23:25:57 <nioc> duh
23:26:28 <hyc> but you can never actually associate it to an actual address
23:27:25 <nioc> duh was a comment about myself, brain is currently gone
23:27:32 <nioc> time for dinner
23:27:49 <apotheon> I just had sourdough French toast for dinner.
23:28:02 <apotheon> (I hate my leftovers from breakfast yesterday.)
23:28:20 <nioc> hate or ate?
23:28:26 <apotheon> err
23:28:26 <apotheon> ate
23:28:28 <apotheon> not hate
23:28:33 <nioc> :)
23:28:39 <apotheon> I think I started out with the idea of typing "had".
23:28:49 <hyc> man I hate these leftovers!
23:28:59 <apotheon> I should not have gone on that long-ass walk in the hot afternoon today.
23:29:04 <hyc> that's why they got leftover in the first place !
23:29:09 <apotheon> indeed
23:29:13 <apotheon> nah, they were fine
23:30:26 <apotheon> I've had better French toast, though.
23:30:42 <apotheon> . . . and the syrup from that place has a weird fruity flavor.
23:31:40 <apotheon> We need Monero logo stickers of the appropriate size to stick on the end of a gun barrel, to use as dust covers.
23:31:56 <apotheon> "The last thing that home invader will see is the Monero symbol."
23:32:32 <apotheon> or maybe Monero stickers where the logo is on the sticky side so when the NSA looks through your webcam all it will see is the Monero logo
23:32:33 <Quotes> NSA? Morono protects me.
23:33:29 <louipc> hahha
23:35:15 <louipc> use doge
23:58:27 <apotheon> use wow
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