00:02:59 i guess if a tx uses many outputs from a previous tx you could eliminate the decoys 00:05:39 could have logic to prevent that, no? 00:16:27 .faucet 00:16:28 N​orkle: How many characters​ in VIEW 00:16:32 4 00:16:32 Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000001 XMR to Norkle [d86f3a96] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01686884 00:29:36 01:55 Why doesn't Monero break outputs up by default? <-- how does bitcoin do it? 00:29:53 what's the situation with the atomic swaps - is monero missing opcodes atm? 00:30:06 yanmaani: Monero doesn't have opcodes 00:30:23 They're fully working now-a-days; people just have to write quality code for them 00:30:24 selsta: bitcoin creates a change output each time you spend money, unless it can find exact change 00:30:38 kayabaNerve: oh? Are there any simplistic implementations? 00:30:53 And then why are people hyping them up, if they're already there? 00:31:25 I wrote the first one and think it's quality :p 00:31:57 Because they're getting better. My atomic swap PoC had you directly connect to *someone* over the CLI with no recovery if your laptop turned off. 00:32:23 COMIT is working on user friendly ones against a CEX, which enable anyone to trade anywhere without worrying about the exchange stealing funds. 00:32:41 what's the difference between that and the "normal" one? 00:32:46 Farcaster is working on a complete suite of competent tooling to enable integration into products such as OTC counters (like CONIT), yet also DEXs 00:32:57 ... what? 00:33:16 yanmaani: monero creates a change output too lol 00:33:21 The user-friendly ones against a cex 00:33:32 botcoinnotbot[m]: right, but say you'd just never consolidate them if it's below a certain level 00:33:49 Oh, is the UI just different? 00:36:29 kayabaNerve: What'd be the obstacle to adding it in something like Haveno? 00:36:51 The fact it's completely built to be a MuSig based DEX so it'd be rewriting the entire exchange process 00:37:01 An exchange process which currently risks going to arbitration 00:37:09 Which means a third party decides your fate 00:37:18 And they *can* decide either way 00:37:40 Couldn't you just have the 3rd key be 0x0000000000? 00:38:56 what's the place with the biggest trading volume of atomic swaps then, if you know? 00:39:15 yanmaani: ... and then you risk your funds getting locked forever? 00:39:31 *Multisig, not MuSig 00:39:45 Multisigs don't guarantee your funds will transit as expected. Atomic swaps do. 00:40:02 kayabaNerve: no, you do a cross-chain swap? you let key 1 be your key, and key 2 be the multisig contract's scriptpubkey 00:40:02 Multisigs just make it in everyone's best interest for them to, yet if there's an issue, a third party can step in and decide 00:40:19 I was responding to having the arbitrator be 0 00:40:30 Not to mention, pretty sure anyone can sign for the 0 key :P 00:40:47 it's a gotcha of elliptic curves 00:43:25 No, I mean, arbitrator=0, my key=refund key, "their" key = atomic script pubkey 00:48:55 yanmaani: not how that works 00:49:11 the atomic script specifies both keys; the other person and your refund key 00:49:23 there'd be no need for setting the arbitrator=0 00:49:46 if you want to retrofit it, I mean, but that's stupid 00:49:58 how hard would it be to change bisq/haveno to just use a normal atomic swap? 00:50:14 and if you just mean cramming it into haveno, it wouldn't work. You need to communicate some more data (extremely feasible), then actually construct the atomic swap script (which is sent to by script hash; scripts don't have pub keys ;) ), then execute it. 00:50:21 It'd be replacing the internal swap engine. 00:50:50 I have no idea how feasible that actually is. My guess is it'd be a decent pain. 00:51:21 It's not completely infeasible? But there's a reason Farcaster is working on an extensive suite of code to perform Monero atomic swaps 00:53:38 huh, makes sense 00:53:40 thanks for information 00:54:51 side note, did bisq ever active segwit? 00:55:00 I think they waited like 3-4 years to do so 01:31:41 hello all 02:24:41 yo big mike 02:26:59 hi 02:27:02 .trex 03:02:42 i4 dollar more... 04:26:45 Has anyone heard of multiminer to mine XMR? 04:59:21 needmoney90: Let me quote your hero. 'How do I ban FUK? AAAHHHH I don't remember. youtube.com/watch?v=mdLfkhxIH5Q Keep tryin' champion. 05:48:23 .faucet 05:48:23 I​nge-: 2,​ 4, __, 8 05:48:25 6 05:48:25 Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.000002 XMR to Inge- [5da78f08] Wait ≈23 hrs 57 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.016834 08:04:03 How's everyone doing? 09:13:53 Does tutanota or protonmail accept XMR yet? 09:14:15 Probably not. Let me double check. 09:14:32 These companys talk about privacy but wont even let you pay with XMR, 09:14:32 I dont get it 09:14:37 What gives 09:15:17 Even mullvad does not let you use monero. 09:15:17 Used to have to use "xmr.to" (not anymore) 09:15:56 Ishikawa, I'll blow your mind. 09:16:10 I want to see more companys accept it, especially if they talk about privacy 09:16:47 Mullvad uses their own checkout system, not stripe or any other crappy business. As a result, you can pay with a prepaid mastercard of visa gift card. As long as you account for the conversion fee, it'll be accepted. 09:16:58 It's about as private as you can get unless you do cash by mail. 09:17:41 You know, until Monero gets accepted. I seriously want it to be added but I don't know if the team has any plans to even implement it. 09:19:08 Oh, and just because prepaid mastercard and visa gift cards are weird sometimes, make sure it says that you can pay in other currencies on the back. It'll normally say something along the lines of "Paying in other currencies will result in an x% fee" or something about being allowed internationally. 09:19:46 performative privacy, my friend 09:21:05 If you want to go a step further, make sure the gift card is purchased with cash as well. It's not a perfect solution but for Mullvad it's the best solution I found because I'm rather uncomfortable sending cash in the mail internationally. 09:22:09 I really wish they had XMR as a direct payment method. 09:22:37 But the gift card is also a great idea also. 09:25:33 You can also consider buying a Mullvad voucher with XMR. 09:25:57 Small correction on my above statement, apparently they do use stripe but have it setup so it accepts gift cards as well. 09:26:49 https://twitter.com/xiaopingpong/status/1376130184261345287 09:27:41 mullvad does not care about privacy!! 09:30:23 Well, they do have an extremely strong privacy-focused logging system. Not sure if you know but their logs are stored as your account number, whether or not it is paid for, and when it is paid until. If the account hasn't been payed for in 6 months, it gets purged and becomes someone else's new account. There is no other information stored. 09:30:56 For some reason my visa gift card went through previously without issue and now my mastercard gift card simply says "Your card has been declined for an unknown reason". 09:34:05 Perhaps its because the vanillaprepaid site is also having issues right now. I'll just try again later. 09:39:02 Oh no what have I done? I made a really stupid gambling script and accidentally made a money printer. Not complaining but this is stupid. 09:40:16 neet 09:42:21 This is a great list of services that allow us to pay with XMR 09:42:21 https://www.getmonero.org/community/merchants/ 09:45:02 I've been tempted a few times to try out iVPN just because it makes it easier for me since I can pay directly with XMR. Downside is that unlike Mullvad where the source code is available for everyone to see, iVPN only has open source applications and websites and close source server code. 09:46:11 Speaking of closed source server code, it's the reason I am so afraid to use Tutanota and Protonmail. They have been asked on numerous occasions to open source their server code but they refuse due to it "Potentially allowing malicious actors to exploit code". If we can't see the server code, we can't be sure what's going on behind the scenes. 09:48:18 how can i buy porn with monero 09:54:26 You can buy Pornhub premium with Monero 09:55:01 who pays for pr0n in 2021? 09:55:18 or rather, why would you pay for pr0n 09:55:49 I don't know, but people spend thousands on Onlyfans... 09:56:37 i wish i could hire a prostitute with monero 09:56:42 😢 09:56:43 Just curious. Do many people run torrent boxes these days? 09:56:47 me 09:56:58 wtf lmao 09:57:00 i am not even kidding @GЯΣΣK 09:57:14 isnt that one of the underground market that monero best serves 09:57:22 How much storage is being used up to seed? 09:57:46 no idea brev you mustve been to some dodgy places 09:57:48 it's only 99.99 USD yearly for a 1TB atom VPS on Kimsufi 09:58:15 last time i hired a prostitute was through tinder 09:58:19 and paid in cash 09:58:24 😂 09:58:25 Is it a bad thing that I seed 16TB worth of files to others? 09:58:30 wanna get laid that badly huh 09:58:39 ceruleous did you tell her about Monero? 09:59:04 no? 09:59:06 keep it up 09:59:16 especially if those are obscure torrents 10:00:01 i want your pfp lmao 10:00:33 no because that was years before i knew about monero 10:01:20 A massive amount of it is either extremely useful for others and is likely to be censored, games with my own compression used on them to make them tiny in comparison to what they would usually be, anime, some programs people in poorer countries can't afford, and some free educational material that may not be available to all people (A lot of courses from coursera and other sites). 10:01:26 Just being a good internet citizen. 10:01:51 Oh, and movies that aren't very popular. I basically just go on forums, ask what people want me to seed for them and I'll do it. 10:15:35 Holy shit I can't believe I missed this. Siacoin now has Skynet in a spot where you can create a platform for something such as anime, and have users stream from the sia network. Last time I checked it only supported a few users but now they are able to upload those files at up to 1 gigabit per second. It could be massive for some applications. 10:16:35 In other words, it can support hundreds or thousands of users accessing content at the same time. That's huge! 11:08:32 What kind of person steals from their own community? http://removeddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d6okb/fluffypony_needs_to_give_up_his_commit_access_and/ (changed link to removeddit since /r/monero mod removed to try to cover it up - maybe fluffy himself?) 11:54:20 is he a financial advisor? 12:51:58 https://digitalgoods.proxysto.re/ 12:52:32 No 12:53:02 They don't 13:03:40 not directly but with the service above you can buy vouchers for monero 13:03:51 also they accept monero donations iirc 13:04:05 (tutanota) 13:13:30 Lololol 😄 14:06:15 Hi everyone. Is a fixed fee mandatory? 14:06:40 I mean if I send a Monero tx with lower or higher fees, will this tx be rejected? 14:12:24 The tx fees are given based on speed priority, which at this point in time is negligible. You can just select the slowest speed/fee with no issues. 14:12:34 okay 14:12:39 Not going to see a difference 14:19:19 i love monero 14:19:24 thanxxx guy 14:22:42 even the default setting for most wallets will send the tx with the minimum fee _most_ of the time 14:35:14 How do I buy Saint Quartz with my Monero 18:55:54 do nodes with ports closed take part in dandelion++? 19:54:01 so this channel is now mirrored to both discord and matrix? 19:54:40 Yup 19:54:46 Has been for a long time 20:00:32 rottenwheel: Do you mind if I send you PMs about something that doesn't seem to be Monero-related? I noticed you might seem to know something about a subject I stumbled across elsewhere. 20:05:55 But to which discord channel is it being mirrored ? 20:15:30 to the monero one lol 20:15:56 i know i know discord supports sub channels it was a joke :) 20:18:07 i went to find it myself & come across this LOL https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/keegp8/the_monero_discord_is_a_mess_need_a_new_one/ 20:23:08 hey look there it is 20:23:17 Sure bub. Shoot me a message. 20:24:03 it's channel id 620459189097201669 Duvio 20:34:25 No, I mean which server 20:34:31 s/I/thy 20:34:36 s/thy/they 20:36:34 this seems to be the server: https://discord.gg/a7fdntR6WD 20:40:08 that might be it got me i used https://discord.com/invite/XVKK6hX 20:41:51 yup seems to go to same server 20:56:39 Ahhh, i had to give myself a role to be able to see the relay channel 21:05:21 Literally any kind of person nowadays. 21:48:59 what if fluffypony is satoshi ? :o 21:52:16 Then hr is revealing himself to the feds 21:52:21 * Then he is revealing himself to the feds 21:55:03 would it be such a terrible idea to have a mandatory fee/byte enforced in the network? 21:55:43 given the adaptive nature of block size there shouldn't be much of a reason to have a fee market 21:56:07 and it would make transactions more indistiguishable 21:59:21 People always using the minimum fee is already indistinguishable enough. 21:59:32 Apart from the fact that the fees don't have to do with privacy. The fees are already fine, they're cheap. 22:02:46 As of now there is no issue with prioritizing one's transaction via higher fee, correct? 22:03:27 currently, any transaction with high fee stands out, if a certain user/exchange/service always uses high fees those transactions will be more easily linked or traceable 22:04:14 there was a similar debate in regards to enforcing a mandatory ringsize a few years ago 22:04:40 Like on a few other coins that have a ring size of 10? 22:04:53 on monero 22:05:20 it's just generally a good idea to make transactions as indistinguishable as you can 22:05:41 So just Tor like approach 22:06:01 Close to same ring size and fixed fees? 22:06:50 i'm not sure about fees, maybe theres more to lose that currently i'm missing 22:07:31 Read Adam Backs hashcash paper from 2002 then read the bitcoin whitepaper 22:07:49 also i've heard making all transactions be 2 ouputs being suggested in the past 22:07:52 Literally the same format, style etc 22:12:51 certh: I'm definitely not 22:17:23 fluffy do you have any opinion on what i mentioned above? 22:35:04 Hi 22:35:28 https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/05/intruder-tries-to-drive-car-through-cia-headquarters-entrance/?utm_source=militarymemes&utm_campaign=alt&utm_medium=facebook 22:36:53 Is here somebody knowledgeable about the Monero internals? I know a Monero transaction has a field where you can but any data you want. How much data (byte) can I put into it? Is there a way to use/view this field in the GUI? 22:37:16 Lmao, chad attacks CIA 22:37:16 And dont forget to sanitize your URLs 22:38:46 The only field where you can put any data you want is the address and the amount field 22:38:46 People use to hide messages in the bitcoin blockchain by encoding their message in hexadecimal and then sending a tiny amount of btc to that address 22:41:41 what about in tx extra? 22:42:40 people put stuff there 22:42:46 I guess there is an extra field. 22:43:04 https://xmrchain.net/tx/79c71055001a3d82aa1a6a122443d94524015453ab5ee37fd67aa5bcc01a67ff 22:43:12 I guess this is what I mean. I talk about Monero (XMR) 22:43:14 Yes, that exists too 22:43:50 Is it encrypted ? 22:44:02 seems that something is put in extra by default but stuff can be put there as well 22:47:39 Does anybody know the exact details? 22:48:02 Where is the best place to ask about this extra field? 22:50:06 Nowhere, you have to actually read the monero specifications to understand this stuff 22:50:44 Does anybody know how much data I can put in the field? 22:50:50 I recommend "Mastering Monero First Edition by SerHack and Monero Community" 22:51:02 maybe try #monero-dev 22:51:31 I tried. You can not send messages in this channel. 22:52:47 anonmon777[m]: I think you need to be signed into irc to talk in dev and most other monero channels 22:53:15 I don't matrix so can't give you specifics 22:53:17 What do you mean by signed into irc? 22:53:54 @anonmon777[m] NickServ 22:53:59 verified or something, maybe someone here who uses matrix can help you 22:54:26 matrix is bridged to irc 22:55:25 Yes, please help. 22:55:49 You can only assume the past 22:56:57 Maybe you can help me with my other questions: 22:56:57 1) Is there a good software library to receive payments? I am asking for Nodejs and PHP. 22:59:26 there's a PHP library that works. i'm sure there are also ones for nodejs 22:59:42 it's basicly just an interface to your wallet 23:00:08 Yes. I looked into some of them. Do you know what library really work? 23:00:55 Can you please name or send me a link regarding the PHP library you mentioned? 23:08:10 https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/monero-javascript 23:08:15 check if this helps 23:10:21 you can always use btcpayserver to receive monero payments 23:15:28 freenode_anonmon777[m]: you can out any data into tx_extra up to 32 characters 23:23:14 anonmon777[m]: i've used this https://github.com/monero-integrations/monerophp 23:35:18 I want a totally independent solution. I don't use any payment gateway. 23:35:56 Thanks. I will look into it. 23:36:03 Thanks. I will look into it. 23:36:19 Is this type of data envrypted? 23:42:02 No 23:43:08 But dont use tx xtra