00:00:10 <Doomer> it's sad seeing the west slowly give up their freedoms. as they were the only "rolemodel" the other freedom seeking individuals living under true authoritarianism seek for.
00:01:26 <throwd> Ain't nobody taking my freedom!
00:01:59 <Doomer> Anyways apotheon i'd like to ask how's our special operations units's (skills/discipline/etc) from your american perspective . i am not trusting our local sources.
00:02:56 <apotheon> Can you give me some point of reference or standard for describing it?
00:03:04 <apotheon> I'm not sure how to answer your question.
00:03:20 <apotheon> Oh, sorry, I misread.
00:03:31 <apotheon> Um . . . keep in mind this was from the mid-1990s:
00:05:00 <apotheon> Things seemed extremely low-end from US spec ops perspectives, honestly.  The camouflage patterns on the uniforms seemed cut-rate, the protective gear was out of date, tactical logistics were pretty bad, safety and effectiveness of airborne operations were horrific by US standards . . .
00:05:35 <Doomer> as expected . i doubt it changed much.
00:06:04 <apotheon> I don't mean to insult anyone, but there were serious deficiencies that I saw.  Things I learned very early in basic training for the US army, like "in a firefight, don't stand when you can kneel, don't kneel when you can lie down" seemed completely absent from tactical training for Tunisian spec ops teams.
00:06:57 <louipc> throwd: which ones
00:08:14 <apotheon> US military static line airborne operations involve equipment carefully designed to keep the static line from catching or tangling, with redundant checks of equipment at various stages of the entire operation to ensure there would be no mishaps.  There was a dragged jumper in a training operation once, within the *entire* US military, at one point in several years; the rate of dragged jumpers in
00:08:20 <apotheon> Tunisian airborne operations seemed to be something like 2%, so any sizable airborne operation was likely to have someone die from a static line problem.
00:08:30 <Doomer> You see, in the middle east and the arab world in general our armies have always been terrible logistically and in hardware . and we all knew it. but constant propaganda and traitor claims into anyone who critisizes the military complex caused many to actually believe that their armies actually stand a chance only to face the harsh reality every
00:08:31 <Doomer> time a true insurgency or major war happen
00:08:52 <Doomer> that's why they always end up making up idiotic conspiracy theories about why they lost every time
00:09:03 <apotheon> I see.
00:09:08 <apotheon> Yeah, that doesn't seem fun.
00:09:38 <apotheon> Look at the bright side, though: if you ever have a popuplar, liberty-oriented uprising, the government is unlikely to do a very good job of putting down the rebellion without outside help.
00:10:11 <apotheon> The US military is *extremely* good at killing people who don't deserve it.
00:10:20 <Doomer> actually in tunisia we're lucky to have the least oppressive government in the middle east BY FAR
00:10:41 <Doomer> the worst exemple i can think of is egypt
00:10:52 <louipc> wow really
00:10:55 <apotheon> US-led airstrikes in Afghanistan have killed about 1500 children in the last five years, for instance.
00:11:01 <apotheon> err, 1600
00:12:03 <Doomer> i dont hate the USA in particular.
00:12:15 <apotheon> I just checked the numbers: 1,598.
00:12:23 <louipc> were those children terries
00:12:33 <apotheon> Those were collateral damage.
00:12:55 <Doomer> that's much less than what the typical arab regime kills in an uprising
00:13:20 <apotheon> Oh, I think I misstated.  I think probably about 900 were killed; the other 700ish would've been seriously injured.
00:13:26 <louipc> yea but there was this child that grenaded some us soldiers
00:13:32 <apotheon> Those are "casualties", which includes kills, but not all kills.
00:13:40 <Doomer> people in the middle east keep on blaiming the usa (which deserves some blame) but forgetting those who caused much more harm to us, our own regimes
00:13:48 <apotheon> Doomer: Yeah, uprisings get bloody *fast*.
00:14:00 <louipc> he went to guantanamo, but because he had canadian citizenship somehow they sent him to canada, then canada gave him 20M dollars
00:14:27 <apotheon> louipc: When you kill or maim 1600 over a five-year period with airstrikes alone, you start pissing off the locals so much that even the children come at you with any weapon they can get, I suppose.
00:14:36 <louipc> tru
00:14:50 <Doomer> why did the USA stop supporting the syrian rebels. you could've finally helped the arab word for once
00:16:08 <apotheon> US government isn't in it for peace and freedom.  The politics of it changed, so US government changed policy.
00:16:17 <louipc> best to pull out for once and for all
00:16:34 <louipc> let ppl figure it out for themselves
00:16:36 <Doomer> pull out== someone else pulls in
00:16:37 <apotheon> You shouldn't expect things to make sense from the perspective of good intentions when governments are involved.
00:16:50 <Doomer> yes i know it's about interests
00:16:53 <louipc> oh like russia
00:17:05 <apotheon> If the US government was really going to help, it would just open up free trade as much as possible with everyone.
00:17:25 <Doomer> louipc like russia/iran/turkey all got involved in syria
00:17:26 <apotheon> The best way to get people on board with peace and freedom is to encourage cultural exchange as much as possible.
00:17:33 <apotheon> free market cultural exchange
00:17:42 <Doomer> apotheon the world is not that simple
00:17:48 <louipc> free working visas
00:18:28 <Doomer> dictatorships dont just give up their powers
00:18:43 <apotheon> When people are engaged in free market cultural exchange, they get lazy about extremist ideas, and they get complacent with all the new shit they get out of it.  Culture changes because of economics.
00:19:15 <apotheon> Doomer: No, but dictatorships lose power as people get used to things being different -- and better -- elsewhere.
00:19:32 <Doomer> apotheon yes i agree cultural exchange helps with decreasing extremism. but
00:19:36 <apotheon> . . . and free exchange in rifles and subversive reading material makes a huge difference.
00:19:53 <apotheon> A lot of extremism is pro-government extremism, after all.
00:20:08 <Doomer> " to things being different -- and better -- elsewhere." things have been better since the arab word got independence yet those dictatorships never given power?
00:20:24 <Doomer> better else were*
00:20:29 <apotheon> I'm not sure what you're saying.
00:21:03 <apotheon> Another thing is that there are people with resources who would help freedom fighters against dictatorship if they could, but their own governments don't allow them to do that because of political entanglements with the dictatorships.
00:21:45 <apotheon> Wealthy people in the US are prohibited by the US government to send resources to "terrorist" groups who just want their dictators to stop killing their people.
00:22:12 <apotheon> Hmm.  I kinda misphrased that, but I think the meaning comes through.
00:23:39 <Doomer> you see one of the biggest reasons of the failure of the syrian rebels is disunity and most importantly the more extreme factions like isis and al-nusra that literally beat/assisnated much of the moderate rebel forces
00:26:47 <Doomer> uh, this is not a subject for #monero , farewell apotheon .
00:32:18 <anonmon777[m]> <throwd "It's also what they reccomend in"> I know. I am curious about the possible flaws.
00:34:30 <throwd> I think the main thing is what I mentioned. Your wallet is unlocked and you're running a rpc server.
00:36:27 <volantaryism1[m]> Monerotopia in 30 mins right?
00:37:14 <throwd> Can you send me that link again? anonmon777[m] I'm wondering if another possible issue is if they knwo your address, and you're using the same address across multiple sites someone could determine if you were on multiple sites (if there was a data breach or something)
00:38:30 <anonmon777[m]> A link to the Crypto-Lock repo?
00:38:42 <throwd> Yeah I just forgot the name of it I can look it up if that's what it's called
00:39:10 <anonmon777[m]> https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/Monero-Crypto-Lock
00:39:35 <throwd> Another thing this repo hasn't been updated in years
00:39:47 <throwd> Not sure if you're looking to using it for your own site
00:40:54 <anonmon777[m]> <throwd "Another thing this repo hasn't b"> Doesn't matter, because the cryptography of Monero is the critical part. The repo only shows the idea.
00:41:13 <anonmon777[m]> I have to implement it into my project for myself.
00:41:36 <anonmon777[m]> I can grantee the user will use the Crypto-Lock only for my site.
00:42:18 <throwd> I think from the server's prespective there's no issue
00:42:19 <anonmon777[m]> I also want to implement Monero functionality to the side. Because of this it would be super nice if I can use the same wallet.
00:43:10 <anonmon777[m]> <anonmon777[m] "I also want to implement Monero "> I thinking about UX. This way the user only needs to know his/her seed and is fine.
00:43:59 <throwd> You'll be requesting your users to download a browser extension?
00:44:26 <anonmon777[m]> Nope. Only copy pasting the string.
00:44:31 <throwd> Ah okay
00:46:09 <throwd> Sounds neat hope it all works out for you
00:48:05 <utxobr[m]> should I expect anything bad from exposing under a single address (say, `mynode.com:18089`) multiple nodes?
00:56:13 <utxobr[m]> (both rpc and p2p ports)
01:56:07 <gokritz> ello ello
05:12:05 <smohgi> #monero-markets
05:18:51 <binaryFate> .
05:28:29 <kijari[m]> I know it was linked a couple of days ago but I can't seem to find it. What was the link for the website that gives you a random XMR pool to mine on?
05:32:04 <apotheon> kijari[m]: https://townforge.net/cgi-bin/choose_pool?raw
05:32:17 <apotheon> I don't know if that's what you remember from a couple days ago, but that's what I have.
05:36:41 <apotheon> I think the current implementation of that was partially my fault, in that I suggested the idea of a C implementation via CGI.
05:37:06 <apotheon> (as an alternative to using JavaScript or <shudder> PHP)
05:56:17 <kijari[m]> @apotheon Yeah, thanks! It's not very graphical but it does the job. Mainly just searching around to see if there's a mining pool that may be better than 2miners since 2miners forces miners to pay the fees for all transactions.
05:56:17 <kijari[m]> Then again, if I understand correctly, those fees are equal to what it would be for me to send someone Monero which is fractions of a penny and an extremely tiny amount of Monero. If my understanding is correct, I think I may stick with my current pool because that wouldn't be a massive concern.
05:56:50 <kijari[m]> Only concern would be that I can't change my payout limits but that's not a deal breaker either.
06:15:16 <kijari[m]> Checked payouts and the fees are so small that I won't even bother worrying about them. I'm so used to Ethereum where pool fees and whether or not the pool pays the transaction fees can severely change your income.
07:08:47 <nayab> Hey guys.. Tried to register in the Monero forum. Always the same message popping up no matter what network I connect to. "Your IP address is blacklisted as spam"
07:08:58 <bogsuv> .befr
07:08:59 <Wallet> bogsuv: WTDuck you trying to befriend? They'll come when they're ready or try .duckcall
07:09:01 <nayab> Anybody can help me registering forum
07:09:11 <bogsuv> .duckcall
07:09:11 <Wallet> bogsuv: ・゜゜・。。​・゜゜(')> 🦆 'QUACK QUACK!!'
07:09:18 <bogsuv> .bang
07:09:19 <Wallet> bogsuv: YOU GOT IT! Time: ≈7.26 sec Ratio: 5 of 6 Bullets: 1 of 2
07:09:23 <bogsuv> .reload
07:09:24 <Wallet> bogsuv: You're reloaded with 2 bullets & 2 treats.
07:09:27 <bogsuv> .bang
07:09:28 <Wallet> bogsuv: WTDuck you shootin at? They'll come when they're ready or try .duckcall
07:23:24 <Mochi101> Which forum nayab ?
07:26:10 <Inge-> .faucet
07:26:13 <Wallet> I​nge-: How many ch​aracters in thrift
07:26:15 <Inge-> 6
07:26:16 <Wallet> Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000031 XMR to Inge- [715388d7] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01673669
07:26:19 <Inge-> .balance
07:26:19 <Wallet> Inge-: • Your balance is: 0.0052409 XMR (≈2.53 USD)
07:27:30 <nayab> Monero forum.https://forum.getmonero.org/register'
07:28:42 <Mochi101> nayab, there's an email link at the bottom of the page. Have you tried sending an email?
07:29:59 <nayab> I am sending right now..
07:32:00 <nayab> done Mochi101
07:32:08 <Mochi101> ok
07:32:18 <nayab> I guess I should wait for the dev reply.
07:32:21 <Mochi101> Did you include your IP address?
07:33:24 <moneromooo> That's been dead for years now.
07:34:30 <Mochi101> He can still register though, maybe he'll be the one to bring it back to life.
07:35:08 <nayab> Sorry I didn't. But now I included in the follow up email and then sent them. Thanks Mochi101
07:36:01 <Mochi101> nayab, and did you include a picture of your Driver's License or other official ID?
07:38:20 <nayab> Is that necessary? Sorry, just asking..
07:40:40 <nayab> No problem including my id. Just wanted to know why. Mochi101
07:41:00 <moneromooo> Don't.
07:41:08 <moneromooo> He's pulling your leg.
07:49:34 <nayab> Thought so
07:52:00 <nayab> moneromooo , How does mining with mining pools work? Could you please share any doc or link? Is it still required my CPU for mining?
07:52:46 <azy> .faucet
07:52:48 <Wallet> ​azy: How m​any letters in mitten
07:52:52 <azy> 6
07:52:55 <Wallet> azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.00001 XMR to azy [dfcbcb42] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01672669
07:53:02 <azy> .balance
07:53:02 <Wallet> azy: • Your balance is: 0.0002462 XMR (≈0.12 USD)
07:53:06 <pc_> hello, i am running monero wallet gui, and im at the part where its asking me to choose between simple mode and advanced mode. if i choose simple mode, will i be able to change to advanced mode at a later time?
07:53:15 <Mochi101> .faucet
07:53:15 <Wallet> Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000005 XMR to Mochi101 [eab173d7] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01672619
07:53:23 <Mochi101> noice!
07:54:11 <nayab> @Mochi101 and @moneromooo  How does mining with mining pools work? Could you please share any doc or link? Is it still required my CPU for mining?
07:54:52 <Mochi101> nayab, there is lots of information about that online
07:59:32 <nayab> @Mochi101 Will check. Thank you
08:09:28 <moneromooo> pc_: I think you can.
10:02:34 <volantaryism1[m]> nayab: mining pools give block templates
11:50:17 <hiddener> Exception in main! Height 2249814 not included in multiple record range, is it corrupted?
11:50:40 <moneromooo> Maybe. Could be a bug too.
11:57:36 <hiddener> I synced on ssd to 99℅ and moved it to external hdd ext2
11:57:52 <hiddener> :)
11:58:40 <hiddener> is it ext2? or does fs matter?
13:19:31 <dEBRUYNE> hiddener_: Did you shut down the Monero software before copying the blockchain file?
13:26:02 <hiddener_> dEBRUYNE: yes, with exit command
13:52:33 <hiddener> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a52393ca/ here is the log, if it helps
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14:57:39 <floralshoppe[m]1> wownero future global currency confrmed?
15:07:32 <selsta> floralshoppe[m]1: #wownero
15:07:59 <selsta> hiddener: most likely corrupted db
15:13:12 <hiddener> selsta: yeah, will resync :]
15:13:27 <selsta> now as to how it happened, not clear
15:22:15 <hiddener> it got corrupted with rsync smh, from ssd to hdd
15:26:47 <N4RT[m]> what got corrupted?
15:27:58 <hiddener> /monero/contrib/epee/src/net_ssl.cpp:579:19: error: use of undeclared identifier 'SSL_CTX_get0_privatekey' getting this on openbsd, help?
15:28:13 <hiddener> N4RT[m]: the db
15:28:23 <moneromooo> Use openssl insetad of libressl.
15:31:45 <hiddener> thanks
15:34:43 <N4RT[m]> <floralshoppe[m]1 "1620657783725.png"> https://suchwow.xyz/post/1481
16:13:47 <kzdghxnnlnqf[m]> hi
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16:27:46 <selsta> charuto: can you make this channel invite only again on matrix?
16:28:51 <charuto> ok, will do, just wanted to check if the ban bot was catching the spam again or not
16:33:17 <selsta> #monero-support is a good place to test the bot as far as I can see
16:45:05 <pixelized[m]> i love the many somewhat off-topic conversations in this room
16:45:25 <pixelized[m]> there's a bunch of other irc and matrix rooms out there for other cryptocurrencies and they're a lot more boring
16:45:45 <pixelized[m]> just 'how do i do this' and 'what is the best so and so'
16:46:09 <pixelized[m]> no philosophic-ish conversations like here
16:46:14 <pixelized[m]> or proper discussions
16:46:21 <pixelized[m]> but then again, i'm not in many
16:46:38 <pixelized[m]> they're not cool here because there seem to be few elsewhere, they're just nice on their own
16:48:10 <charolastra> how freenode used to be :(
16:49:56 <raecarruth> most freenode chans have a lot of off topic talk
16:50:03 <raecarruth> try #dogecoin for example
16:50:10 <raecarruth> it just depends on how pedantic the mods are
16:50:27 <raecarruth> if you want the conversation to flow then you let it slide so long as it isn't offensive
16:51:08 <charolastra> try visiting #debian.de without entering your full real name in the irc details :p
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17:07:54 <Hunter[m]> Wownero lads rise
17:17:32 <Metamorphosis> .bal
17:17:32 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: 0.00002154 XMR (≈$0.01)
17:50:46 <aoaqdzdalmhk> twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683
17:50:46 <aoaqdzdalmhk> Last time I got an award like that was in a primary school football team. It had three stars too and said that I'm special :')
17:50:46 <aoaqdzdalmhk> I just binned it though instead of showing it off to naive groupies. What kind of preson takes a group achievement award and presents it as a proof of their individual prowess anyway?
18:35:33 <glix> lmao wut?
18:37:03 <apotheon> What's a preson?
18:40:34 <PiRATA> preson?
18:42:20 <moneromooo> Depends on the context I guess. Person or prison ?
18:42:44 <moneromooo> Or an obscure particle ^_^
18:56:16 <Metamorphosis> .bal
18:56:17 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: 0.00002154 XMR (≈$0.01)
19:10:33 <ksjrktsb> There are multiple psychological hooks to keep Monero community members in place. Here is one:
19:10:33 <ksjrktsb> https://vimeo.com/272691039
19:10:33 <ksjrktsb> Notice that Scientologists don't stand on street corners saying "Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Xenu?"
19:10:33 <ksjrktsb> Put yourself instead in the shoes of someone who spent $10,000 and 2-3 years of their life on their courses
19:10:33 <ksjrktsb> And you get a bunch of bad sci-fi - you have two choices:
19:12:53 <ieatglueinthegul> All the glowies targeting this room is bullish for monero
19:27:43 <parazyd> .beg
19:27:45 <Wallet> p​arazyd: How lon​g is the word crank
19:27:48 <parazyd> 5
19:27:48 <Wallet> parazyd: @bonuspot tipped 0.000001 XMR to parazyd [b978dda4] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01669929
19:28:09 <bogsuv> .bang
19:28:09 <Wallet> bogsuv: WTDuck you shootin at? They'll come when they're ready or try .duckcall
19:28:15 <bogsuv> .duckcall
19:28:15 <Wallet> bogsuv: Patience.. You tried too soon! Try again in about ≈20 min.
19:59:17 <chad[m]> .duckcall
19:59:17 <Wallet> chad[m]: Access denied for duckcall. Are you logged in?
19:59:29 <chad[m]> Damn, busted
21:14:17 <smgbgvqgf> 'Oddly, no one who was directly involved with the SIR-C missions and currently still working the Lab, remembers the name Howard Chu, except for one who vaguely recalls Eugene Chu as having a brother names Howard'
21:14:17 <smgbgvqgf> Ed Caro, NASA Chief Engineer. cryptogazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/1-768x1445.png
21:59:47 <Metamorphosis> .val trtl xmr
21:59:47 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: 0.00000123 • tradeogre TRTL/BTC: 0.00000001 24HΔ: 0% 7DΔ: 0% [< 1m] • tradeogre XMR/BTC: 0.00812123 24HΔ: 0% 7DΔ: 0% [< 1m]
22:00:59 <moneromooo> .feed ducks
22:04:35 <djyxyjletxm> Howard, you know why all the 'Titanic intelligence Saviour of NASA' posts stopped last year? They know you are an embarrassment. Your arse didn't learn anything new in 25 years, and that includes C++. They just can't say it to your face.
22:06:12 <synaps3> is monero censored in china ?
22:06:32 <bobbieweirder[m]> synaps3: apparently not
22:07:10 <bobbieweirder[m]> similar approach as in the US, “they know they can’t stop it so they’re trying to live with it” kind of deal. it’s being traded on main exchanges
22:11:48 <synaps3> can they ban it, wdym ?
22:11:59 <synaps3> gues it would be reallly difficult to do so
22:21:26 <N4RT[m]> is masari a monero fork?
22:26:59 <moneromooo> I think so.
22:27:15 <moneromooo> Pretty sure, in fact.
23:16:41 <questi> how come there is no general biz chat anywhere :P
23:16:47 <questi> supressed
23:17:53 <questi> or ##banking
23:46:48 <srkaslmk> Why does the Saviour of NASA take a group achievement award and present it as a proof of individual glory? twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683
23:48:46 <louipc> to piss you off
23:53:21 <rottenwheel> https://twitter.com/rottenwheel/status/1391760868069752834
23:56:14 <louipc> what