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Anyone know if any forums where qubes OS + Whonix + Monero power users communicate?

so secret that nobody knows about it ... :P

Haha, there is now! #monero-qubesos:matrix.org

Does it work?

The only self-proclaimed qubes Monero user I know of is fluffy

Sarang is working for Lelantus (Ziro) also from Diego’s company?

Or this is Fake?

Or other Sarang ? 😅

why would it be fake?

Let’s put all Monero Dev in one for profit Company and then just open a CCS and pay to Company and the dev....

We can also sell privacy research tech to other projects, and dedicate less time to develop Monero

rehrar: is the Triptych CCS still happening if sarang has a full time contract with Firo?

The way I understand it, it's work for the non CCS months.

Yeah I'm pretty confused at the current situation. Sarang doing research in the general space is great, just not sure how working full time for Firo works with the current CCS proposal, and it wasn't mentioned at all.

<sethsimmons "Yeah I'm pretty confused at the "> Exactly

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Lovera[m], selsta, sethsimmons: Could be that it is 'full-time' insofar as it would take up all the time left after the Triptych work

what everyone seems to be missing is that surae also struggled with the financial stability aspect of the MRL

and he's now working at Geometry Labs, mostly doing stuff on an altcoin called QRL

he still loves Monero, but he has to feed his family

so unless someone has a better idea, with this at least we get to retain sarang for Monero work in part (or entirely if the CCS proposal is funded and rehrar doesn't need to take on external work)

what we need is a monero-only onlyfans, magnifying the simpification of the planet and donating 30% of all revenue to the MRL

simps for privacy!

lol

Why aren't CCS's larger?

anon_udxf6fdz[m]: larger ones are slower to fill, and by the time they're filled the exchange rate has moved, so even if you have an exception for MRL raises where they can turn it into USD post-raise it's still a risk

guess it would make more sense to have some kind of research fund - just like the general fund. But then the question comes up "How is it run? who runs it? and also keeps up to keep it funded?"

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, what if renXMR became a reality and people contributed by minting renXMR which landed into a smart contract that converted the renXMR for DAI or USDC in ethereum :o

3:36 PM <+kayront> simps for privacy!

"Privates for Privacy!"

it's never an issue to get a CCS filled for sarang, people are literally waiting to throw $$ at him

haha DaveyJones

current request is 66.5 xmr which might take an hr to fill

nioc: sarang disagrees, from his perspective every raise is a risk

and there's also an administrative / tax burden

both sarang and surae went through the 2018-2020 bear market :/

hard to be able to get a home loan for eg. when your employer is "a bunch of people donate to this crowdfund thing"

ok so rehrar's way is good, then let's get it goin

seems that right now the holdup is the scope and the community is saying "research all the things"

dooo eeeet

fluffypony: you mean to say him stating that anonymous internet people donating anonyous internet magic monies will make his life harder with the bank? preposterous!

<fluffypony> nioc: sarang disagrees, from his perspective every raise is a risk <= I think the current raise is guaranteed by rehrar though right?

As in, rehrar employeed sarang, and is now recouping the cost through the CCS

it's not just recouping. If the proposal does not exist / is not funded, I don't think he would work on this specific topic.

dEBRUYNE: yes

and if the CCS fails then he'll just get external work for sarang

and sarang doesn't work on Monero

!tip sarang 100

Lovera[m]: He does contract work through Cypher Stack. I don't see anything bizarre here.

I’m not talk about Sarang... I just don’t like how Diego is doing all this

how so ? diego is taking responsibility where no one else would

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<Lovera[m]> I’m not talk about Sarang... I just don’t like how Diego is doing all this <-- set up a company and provide stability to researchers in a better way

Ok guys! Cool 👍🏼

Whatever it takes to keep Sarang around, do it!

^that

What’s this Firo thing about though?

I don't get why people get upset about others trying to provide much desired stability for researchers

guess lelantus research

Would you rather have a burned out researcher again?

<dEBRUYNE "Would you rather have a burned o"> Bring back the Inquisition!!

<xmrhaelan[m]> What’s this Firo thing about though? <-- my understanding is that it's one of the first contracts for sarang to do research on

I'd love the Monero community to do a massive CCS to give enough work for a fulltime for a couple of years :) but as it's not the case atm, we have to get used to seeing sarang work on whatever he fancy within his new position

so a research fund ^

I do wonder why rehrar did not discuss this with the Monero community in the first place? Before taking the Firo contract as well

Perhaps there was time pressure, but would like some clarification

Yeah it appears Cypher Stack has made comittments to Firo, which I am guessing is why Sarang is doing something for them as well

afaik rehrar did their website

He did their whole rebrand from Zcoin from what I gathered in his interview with them

would be nice to see some more proactive willingness/organizing/seeking researchers *from* the Monero community. As it was there was no ongoing proposal at all, until rehrar/sarang made one - which is then quite heavily scrutinized or criticized. I suspect the firo people were a bit more driven.

I can see the value in playing nice with other sound minded privacy projects, but I also think it’s easy for folks to perceive it as a conflict of interest

> I do wonder why rehrar did not discuss this with the Monero community in the first place? Before taking the Firo contract as well

I think monero community would gladly fund a full-time CCS for sarang if it were brought up here first

But I guess firo was faster or easier

Also, no CCS on firo for this contract afaik

binaryFate: the contents of the work being proposed were not scrutinized. the arrangement was. Firo has no history with sarang so to them it’s a win, regardless of the arrangement. They do have a history with cypher stack though.

what’s being scrutinized, I think, is whether the Monero community wants to enter into a relationship with cypher stack. The pros seem to outweigh the cons, especially since no alternative is available to us.

^ yeah. I do agree that researchers might need more stability and the best alternative we have so far is through cypher stack

Anyone used trtlapps with monero? trtlapps.com seems to be similar to openmonero, but the api is simpler

simpler than this? lol github.com/mymonero/mymonero-ws-cli…27dd8cb8d/tests/ws.real.spec.js#L69

binaryFate: "but as it's not the case atm" why exactly is it not the case? there's tons to do

this is one of the most important problems to me and i dont know of anyone else in the community other than me working on bringing a solution. where's all the money cake is throwing at bitcoin adoption or whatever anyweay

Oh, I thought websocket access for mymonero was restricted to enterprise customers. I'll have to try that out, thank you

not heard that before but the API and client are open source

<endogenic "this is one of the most importan"> "Most important problems", what problem?

hard to put into just a few words. the monero community needs to get itself together and decide its priorities

many people put their hopes of security, privacy, profit, etc on people building the future of currency technology but they still have to worry about money for some reason

they -> the people building

Sorry I can't help you. Bye.

<anon_udxf6fdz[m] "Anyone used trtlapps with monero"> step 1 in setup guide is to create a Google Firebase account. No thanks.

lol

Once again I'd like to suggest maybe trying to do something like an OpenCollective account that goes to fund developers/researchers. Having automatic reoccuring donations would help ease the stability problem IMO

The best time to start and collect donations is in a bull run, where everyone wants to throw money but the developers can't perform mitosis.

there is probably a place for a wallet that can support recurring payments

Hi. I'm here now. Sorry stayed up till 3 working on things so slept in. I can answer questions.

Rehrar I am confused about which accounts you are using and which I should DM

This regular IRC one

and the Matrix one @diego:cypherstack.com

rehrar: I think the question was if the triptych CCS is still as planned if sarang does Firo full time

Absolutely. Full time is 40 hours a week, and sarang is willing to go beyond that to work for Triptych. This is why we took the non-consecutive hour thing though.

*on Triptych

In fact, he's quite fired up to do so.

That's good to hear. I just hope he doesn't work himself into a burnout again.

I think the source of stress was mostly related to funding (and potential loss of funding), not the actual work

I could be wrong though

If he needs a rest, he can take some time off since the hours are nonconsecutive. As well, we'll be moving to part time on Firo for a couple of months in the future to just focus on Triptych.

dEBRUYNE: correct. The amount of work was not one of the stressors.

I see. Well the CypherStack construction seems like a good idea going forward if it alleviates that stress.

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