17:50 <needmoney90> Or is O() being used as shorthand for 'on the order of'? < yeah I’ve seen/used it that way before.

I usually interpret it as complexity if there’s an N inside, and interpret it as “roughly order of” in there’s units :- P

needmoney90: it's a convenient misuse of notation

sorry for any confusion

read that as "on the order of..."

At least I'm not going crazy

Nope :D

ok who's going to spend the $37.50 so we can all read that

:-P

i can't believe my work is valued so cheaply :p

that took years!

who does the $37.50 even go to

the publishers only

meanies

i guess they view that author's gain reputational/professional compensation in kind

They view that if you take some numbers here and put them there instead, it looks like they end up better off. So they quickly learn to put numbers there. Simple as that.

We're wired for that. Us first (except after you have children). Then family. Then friends. Since a few thousand years, people born inside the same imaginary lines on a map. After first contact, earthlings.

adding sci-hub.tw in front of pay-walled links to scientific papers is the way to go, but generally authors have the right to publish their own work on their websites

midipoet: congrats on the publication!

Is there a preprint version available?

yeah. i guess so. but if i am honest, i know there were some last copy-editing issues between the print and preprint, so wanted to tidy them up

ah ok

I ask because that way the preprint version could presumably be distributed publicly and freely

(please do not use this channel to advocate for, or enable, copyright infringement)

zkao is correct that generally authors are allowed to host their publications on a personal website

Probably depends on the journal's distribution and copyright agreement

I've seen that on journals to which I've submitted

I know that's the case for applied physics letters/AIP

Yeah, and often specific exceptions for preprint servers too, like arXiv

At any rate, having a preprint to link publicly would be great :D

May I post my article online or otherwise distribute it without permission from SAGE?

Yes, please visit our Guidelines for SAGE Authors to review how, as an author, you may share your Contribution.

there is full info here: us.sagepub.com/en-us/nam/journal-author-archiving-policies-and-re-use

You may share the Original Submission or Accepted Manuscript at any time after your paper is accepted and in any format. Your sharing of the Original Submission or Accepted Manuscript may include posting a downloadable copy on any website, saving a copy in any repository or network, sharing a copy through any social media channel, and distributing print or electronic copies.

Ah ok, so you can't distribute the final journal-formatted copy that they prepare

but you can distribute the version you sent them

right, or the corrected version after editorial review

just not their pdf basically

midipoet: go for it!

jwinterm: to be fair, in the email they sent to me it words things differently.

How so?

oh maybe it is the same

That's consistent

Accepted version: yes

Published version: no

it doesn't say sharing though. just hosting

but i suppose that is maybe one and the same

Well, I'd go with the official policy on their website, if it were me

and that email seems consistent

They seem to differentiate between individual sharing for research purposes, and making publicly available

generally you are also allowed to share the final journal pdf on an individual basis also, just not mass distribution

Yeah, and that's in the policy too

this is why researchgate allows you to bother people to send you their articles

Journals are pretty chill about sharing with your colleagues for research purposes, as long as it isn't en masse

right

I dunno about chill

lol

"apparently chill"

probably abiding by some legal mumbo jumbo about fair use of intellectual property or something

but yea

Better than being chilling.

oooh, burn

chill burn

Better than chilli burn.

-____-

If the knob is hot to the touch, don't use that door

Remember that knaccc trick to replace the random mask with a deterministic one? Is that documented somewhere in ZtM2 (or elsewhere)?

PDF page 61 (page 53 printed on the page headers)

ty

If anyone is interested, I'd appreciate proofreading of the ESORICS CBT workshop version of the Triptych paper: overleaf.com/read/zvzmgmpnppmq

This is the version that will be submitted for publication after the workshop; it's been reformatted with minor changes to assure proper formatting

Ten sarangpoints to anyone to finds a typo or other error!

And yes, there's a TeX warning about float placement, which was introduced to adhere to the 18-page limit

(because for some reason, digital journals require huge margins and page limits...)

s/to finds/who finds

^ that typo does not count =p

Classic TeX... margin overrun? Add or remove words to convince it to line up properly...