:)

Hi guys. Does anyone have a few minutes to explain me how to purchase monero the quickest way? I am trying to search but it's quite confusing. Thanks

usssser[m]: the quickest is if you already have btc or other crypto

with cash there is kraken exchange where you need to open an account and give them your info, they are an excellent exchange

or there is localmonero which is p2p

again if you have btc there are many options

usssser[m]: go on Coinbase, buy a shitcoin (litecoin works for this, bitcoin is slower and more expensive to move), open Cake wallet and find the exchange option from LTC (or whatever you used) to XMR. Send the LTC to the address you’re given and you’ll end up with XMR in your Cake wallet

if you plan on purchasing larger amounts, Kraken is the way to go

geonic: thx, I never use phone wallets and forget how easy cake does this sort of thing

but it’s a one-week process the first time

Oh. Thanks for your time.

fluffynioc is right that’s assuming you use a phone lol

you’re welcome

geonic: so..... From the cake wallet with xmr I can transfer to any xmr wallet after?

yes. Cake is non-custodial so you are in full control of the xmr. Make sure you write down your seed when setting up the wallet.. there’s no way to recover it if something happens to your phone

and after you write down the seed and put it in a secure location, write it down again and put it in another location

cake *is* custodial, you have custody of your keys. sooooo not a fan of how they've 1984'd this on us

self-custody

well i dunno what term is best really

non self-custody should be called third-party custody or something

sovereign wallet

I like sovereign

sticking to non-custodial though to avoid looking like a member of a cult

but you by using that you *are* a member of a cult

how to be a member of a cult but not look like it

succumbing to their doublespeak. by putting "non" in front of the thing you *should* be using, they are tricking your brain into thinking its bad

language is powerful

yes but it’s the largest and dominant cult. I’m trying to get them to grasp fungibility first

Sovereign wallets are next

ah shit my tinfoil fell out

one battle at a time

maybe i should use twitter to twit out this nonsense

custodial sounds bad to me.. like a custodian at a school that tells you what to do. so non-custodial has a positive ring to my ear

.define custodial

?define custodial

.bot

gingeropolous: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

gingeropolous: ≈$2483.9267 • ≈ value of: 1 BOT • Source: cmc/ccc/altm

.w custodial

fine i'll use a damn browser

argh

monerobux is not here

"A custodial service is when an entity or individual holds a client's property or money on their behalf. The custodian is responsible for the safety of the financial products."

well .... i guess ... bah

guess i gotta find another windmill

fungibility is a good one

yep

yay this channel has more users than -dev again

the kicked ones have returned

"

Definition of custodial

1a : relating to guardianship

"

alright

so, I ran out of disk space during a startup sync

whatup Fyse

theorem, try resynchronizing with pruning enabled

you gotta start from scratch unfortunately

ok

:(

apotheon: fixed

fluffypony: thx

np

is there a torrent of the monero blockchain?

There's a centralized download.

is it preferable over downloading from peers?

no.

reasons?

it's much faster to sync from multiple peers at once, than from one central server.

ok, thanks

on top of that, the blocks will be verified as they come in, instead of separately after the download

gotcha

the only reason i can think of to download a blockchain vs. syncing is if the p2p network is too weak to support it. that is not the case with monero

(too weak, meaning not enough fast peers)

fluffypony: cool, thanks

np

does the zeromq rpc port need to be exposed publicly?

no

what's it for anyway

it's an alternative to the standard HTTP RPC API, with some extra features

ok, so it's ok to expose publicly?

AFAIK, nothing in the standard distribution uses it

hmm

no, and the standard HTTP RPC port (18081) shouldn't be exposed publicly either

if you want public RPC you should enable the *restricted* RPC, and expose that instead

oh ok, i was mistaking http rpc with 18089 rpc port

to be clear, restricted RPC is just like the normal HTTP RPC, but some commands are disabled

and some information is omitted from responses as well

specifically so you can expose it to the public (if you so choose). otherwise anyone could shut down your node, delete blocks, etc

hence why it only listens on 127.0.0.1 by default

thanks

just to clarify one more thing, you only expose the RPC (restricted RPC, of course) if you want to serve as a remote node for wallets without their own node

if you just want to accept incoming p2p connections, that's port 18080

<Yukie> is there anything cheaper than localmonero.co?

kraken

<Yukie> kraken needs kyc

<Yukie> and it doesnt have monero

kraken has monero

<Yukie> only in america?

for other non kyc you need btc or other crypto already

AIUI kraken has monero everywhere they serve

wait

I think not Australia

ndorf: how do i query monerod for the status of the sync?

<Yukie> i need to get monero without kyc at normal price

echelon: if you're running it interactively, type the 'status' command. if not, run 'monerod status'

oh, cool

echelon: or if you are more of a DIY type, try curl localhost:18081/get_info :)

awesome

Yukie kyc monero is like taking cash from an ATM, it is known that you got the cash but that's where the trail ends

401 unauthorized access.. :/

i passed --rpc-login myusername:pass

other than that you are asking for extra service for the same price

hm

did you try passing the same thing for status? i.e.: monerod --rpc-login what:ever status

if that doesn't work, sounds like a bug

<Yukie> The problem is I can't find any exchange that sells monero in australia

oh.. i passed --rpc-login foo:bar when starting the daemon

yukie imma in NY and have the same issue

<Yukie> oh rip

if you get btc then you can get monero

echelon: right, so you would need every request to authenticate with that same user/pass. hopefully, passing the same flag when running 'monerod status' would do it

anyway it's past 2am here, time for sleep

ok, it's taking a while.. but when i tried curl -u foo:bar localhost:18081/get_info, that's when i got the 401 as well.. is it not using http basic auth?

night nioc

:)

Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081

i would expect it to use http basic, but i don't really know -- never used the rpc-login feature myself

uh.. i think it quit

i just tried it, and `monerod --rpc-login foo:bar status` works for me

curl -u does not, however

probably wants it in json or something

anyway, how do i launch it in interactive mode.. just don't use --detach?

yeah, it's interactive by default. you might want to run it in tmux if you do that

or screen if you prefer that

yup, that's what i was gonna do :)

didn't find the reason for it quitting in bitmonero.log

that's weird

were there at least messages indicating a clean shutdown?

no

that's even weirder, anything interesting in dmesg?

nope

maybe i need ulimit -d 2000000

i needed it when compiling the binaries

could be something like that if your default is low, but i'd expect to see a dmesg message about it if it was killed due to that

so is there no prompt in interactive mode?

not sure about that, been a while since i've used it. it's possible there isn't

well, at least monerod status works now

there is also `sync_info` if you want a lot more details (including dl speed and every peer)

cool

Morning all, please can you advise what I would need to GPU mine monero. I'm trying to weigh up options of CPU vs. GPU mining. Thanks.

The best answer to that question is you can't.

<fehho[m] "The best answer to that question"> Hi, so one can't GPU mine?

One can. It's just less efficient than on CPU.

<moneromooo "One can. It's just less efficien"> Thanks.

wolfkeeper[m]: it is on the order that a 140w Vega64 GPU yields 1200-1500 H/s, while a 140-170w AMD 3900x cpu yields 15000 H/s

mine only does ~13kH/s :(

So at 13kh/s how many xmr it's possible to mine monthly .

i think ~0.4

don't get how anyone can mine XMR with a profit

easy

step 1) hack computers

step 2) mine monero

step 3) leverage monero

if you're gonna be a baller, might as well be a leveraged baller

usssser[m]: < monerobux> At 13000 h/s with network diff of 2.76e+11 and block reward 1.13 you can expect 0.0046 XMR per day.

<TrooperZ> you can mine ethereum and exchange it for xmr

<TrooperZ> on a gpu

<TrooperZ> and then theres also this pool moneroocean where you mine eth directly and get paid in xmr

<TrooperZ> also in terms of cpu mining, you're right its not profitable, unless you have free electricity or super cheap sources

<TrooperZ> of course, you can also tweak the cpu clock speed and voltage to try to reduce your wattage

<TrooperZ> i've halved my cpu wattage but only lost about 150-200 h/s

oi lads

i have a question to which i think i know the answer already, but i'd like to hear some opinions

i've got my private key/mnemonic seed stored in my password manager

do you guys reckon that's a bad idea?

now, i do have to add, it's not some centralized service, it's the pass password manager

so it's all self-owned

pixelized[m], i've never understood the benefit of storing the seed on something digital that is in active use

<FollowTheBlackRabbit> I agree, if its in digital form its not ideal

the word seeds were made so that you can write it down easily and store it in meatspace where hackers can't get yah

yeah

the reason to put it in the pass database has mostly been that it's a convenient way to provide redundancy

since it's immediately in a couple of separate locations, encrypted

i also use it for my ssh keys, though there are more advantages in that case

<FollowTheBlackRabbit> it all comes down to your risk tolerance really

one-time setup for some convenience and ease

<FollowTheBlackRabbit> how much money is it? how secure is the machine? is it always running? - questions to consider

yeah

i honestly think it's alright in this case, it's not a lot of money and i'm pretty sure i don't have many security leaks

the peace of mind of knowing that it's basically impossible for me to lose it this way triumphs over most security concerns in this context

thanks for the input :)

<FollowTheBlackRabbit> yup 🙂

Is it supposed to give me a warning? ttm.sh/2Nd.txt

Did you tell gpg to trust this key ?

also do stealth addresses work multiple times or only once?

moneromooo: I think so

iTzNavic, getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-allos-advanced.html

Then it should not have warned.

looks like the warning is shown on the example

iTzNavic, stealth addresses work multiple times.

apparently the proper way to refer to it is "stealth addressing"

or thats what ive seen knowledgable ppl write

or type

Well if it's the same as you get then I guess it's fine

I remember a thing saying there was a monero chat on wednesdays at 10:00, on what platform does that take place/ can I get a link?

10 Central time that is

SerHack, you have a second for a PM?

SerHack, it's...mmm... something pretty important about MoneroIntegrations WP plugin... let me know when you're around and we can discuss it.

I'm almost always here... So just ping me. Probably a really easy fix but I just want to pass it by you before I edit the source.

You might need to be identified for PMs to be allowed.

I am :)

thanks moneromooo

.faucet

strike: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

.faucet

strike: Of 3 or 9, ​which is 3

3

strike: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000008 XMR to strike [add88c1c] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0122908

.bal

strike: 0.0018274 XMR

.val 0.0018274 xmr usd

strike: ≈$0.3969 • ≈ value of: 0.0018274 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm

>69

Anyways SerHack, I made a PR.

does sync with monero blockchain take about 2 days?

i left mine running last night.. 1 guess maybe 1 day?

i'm on an i7 8-core with 8gb ram dedicated to the guest vm that it's running on

mine took about two years

echelon, it can take awhile yeah

depends on your configuration. I sync in ~5-6h on an i5 laptop with 15GB ram.

well, nowhere as long as bitcoin sync

I always think mine is sinced, but then every two minutes a new block comes in.

synced even

echelon, did you ever try and sync ETH?

nah, not interested

why

Maybe the universe ends before it finishes.

ETH is too computationally expensive to sync the blockchain on most consumer hardware

Mine took about 6 years so far.

And it's still getting blocks.

lol

mine took ~14 days to get up to speed (over tor, no less)

monero syncs in about 3 hours with fast internet and SSD. more like 3 days with HDD

3 hours?

that's my experience

we did not have a new release in ~2 months so probably takes a bit longer now

There's a monero chat wednesday, but I cannot find the link, any of you guys happen to know what I'm talking about?

Research lab meeting perhaps?

Swap meeting also takes place on Wednesday afaik

could I get links to both or either please?

I think it may be the swap meeting but I'm not sure, do you mean atomic swaps?

Yes. 4pm IIRC.

in #monero-swap

MRL in #monero-research-lab, 5pm.

is that central time or a different time?

More proof app-layer tools do not grant fungibility, but merely privacy.

GMT.

hey guys, just been trying to get started with mining monero using xmr-stak and f2pool. im running into some issues with i suppose some configuration that prevents me from getting up and running. if anyone has a similar setup i'd appreciate if you could field some questions for me!

jonan: try xmrig

also ask in #monero-pools

xmr-stack is made by some less than honest person, I'd be very wary of it.

oh thanks guys, i'll ask in monero-pool for this particular one since i think it's just about hooking up my monero wallet incorrectly. i got a weird tone from reading the github over by xmr-stack but don't know much about what's going on behind the scenes for xmr-stack

<Save___G> Hi I have moved the blockchain to another drive because I don´t have enough space on my ssd and now it says Syncing since a few hours without any progress even though I moved 30gb of the blockchain to the new directory does anyone know what´s wrong there?

which program are you using?

monerod or gui?

the gui also uses monerod, no?

Is it okay to use monero-gui available in Linux distribution repos. Like arch linux provides it. Or is it advisable to compile from source. Lots of dependencies to take care to compile on your own so was wondering.

proteeks[m], it depends on how well the repo is maintained i think. i dunno how up to date arch is

yeah lots of deps, but the readme has some good copypasta

<Save___G> gui

did you set the blockchain path inside settings -> node?

<Save___G> yes I moved it from a C directory to a D directory and named the folder inside it lmbd

<Save___G> then I copy pasted the 30gb file

<Save___G> and delteted it on the C directory

lmbd? or lmdb?

<Save___G> lmdb

<Save___G> oh rip

<Save___G> oh nvm bad grammar xD

<Save___G> like this and I selected the moneroblockchain folder as the Blockchain location

<Save___G> cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/6204…1669/816402964725104690/unknown.png

so I'm not 100% sure, but you may have to specify the exact data file where the blockchain lives ( I could be dead wrong)

moneroblockchain should be fine

can you go to settings -> log, type "status" into the textbox and post the output here

<Save___G> cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/6204…1669/816408939214012496/unknown.png

<Save___G> sry for late reply

<Save___G> is that good or bad I can´t really tell it says 64% but not showing anything on the progress bars, besides the daemon bars remaining that´s like 1% orange since a few hours

ok wait 10 minutes, enter status again and check if your current block height increased

you might also want to try to add --enable-dns-blocklist to Settings -> Node daemon startup flags

<Fyse> hm would it be a good idea to sell monero on ebay

Fyse: don't think that ebay will like that

<Fyse> understandabpe

<Fyse> understandable

<Fyse> although I've seen people selling doge

personally, i wouldn't want to be in the position of proving to ebay or paypal that i sent the monero. why bother with that, when localmonero exists?

<Fyse> ridiculous markups

still? afaik they wrote it in their usage agreement that you can't do cryptocurrency trades after people fucked around with bitcoin/doge

what markups?

<Fyse> people are selling doge for 4x the price

oh, on ebay?

<Fyse> yeah

<Fyse> ebay.co.uk/itm/353393322613

<Fyse> 62 sold

"talked about by elon musk" lol

literally the only selling point

Weird. Payload to orbit prices went down a lot since he started talking about it....

hahaha

nice one

ndorf: idgi.. within a 7hr period, the sync went from 7.3% to 53.4%.. and then after another 7hrs, it only moved from 53.4% to 54.8%

The "Blocks" are talking to each other

echelon: early blocks are mostly empty.

Synced 1267964/2308446 (54%, 1040482 left, 3% of total synced, estimated 9.1 days left)

oh..

looks like it's moving again

echelon: SSD or HDD?

hdd

SSD is strongly recommended if possible

not only syncing blocks, but also syncing your wallet and constructing transactions will be much slower with HDD

hrm, ok :/

i mean, everything will still work with the HDD, just be a lot slower

used space is only 12G :/

ok, i'm turning it off

ndorf: i'm guessing sata is preferable over usb 3.0

Why can't we download the blockchain a lot faster? like if I wanted to download something that's 90 gb on pirate bay it goes relatively quickly (for 90 gb at least). Someone once said something like it has to be verified block by block, but can't that be done after download?

echelon: preferable? probably. but USB 3 should work more than well enough, i'd think

the key is random access times. FWIW i run a full node off a microSD card (a good one) and it works great.

WillSellBodyForX: verification of blocks is slower than bitcoin blockchain because of the way ring works

not quite as good as nvme ssd, but incomparably better than hdd

WillSellBodyForX: it needs to go back to cross-reference with old blocks, which needs quick read access time as ndorf explained

verifying after downloading would be much slower, anyway

since newer blocks can be downloaded *while* already-downloaded blocks are being verified

You can, by setting --block-download-max-size

(if you have the RAM, it's not written to disk)

how much do 1tb ssd's go for nowadays anyway?

check on newegg

1tb 970 evo nvme is <$140 on amazon

We really need an anonymous remailing service for stuff like that, so I can pay with monero and not have them get my address. MixPoster or something.

The big problem will be fees vs trust.

i've thought about a blockchain-backed delivery service

I meant physical delivery.

i know

the purpose would be so an intermediary deliverer doesn't know where the parcel is actually intended for

Sorry, I thought you said blockchain for a moment.

i did

the remailer would still need your address, however

each node in the delivery path would have an address

and i'd guess no one would be willing to send/forward a package without knowing what's in it

Tor style. Only he last hop does.

right

and the last hop wouldn't even know if there were any additional delivery points

So much trouble just because the world is set to max creep mode... pffff.

seems pretty straightforward to just go to a computer store and buy it with cash.

(or monero of course, lol)

do it while covid is still a thing so you can hide your face :)

medium-sized at best, but yeah

ndorf: the austin bomber got caught even though he wore a wig and baseball cap because he purchased his bomb parts from home depot, and parked his car in their parking lot

even if i didn't, i could see myself being willing to travel to one occasionally to make anonymous purchases

shit, there was a bomb in austin? maybe i should start reading the news

that was a few years back

ah

and the next time he went into a shipping facility and had parked his car like 3 blocks away, so the guy at the register was suspicious

presumably "i'm a suspect in a terrorism investigation" calls for a different threat model than "i want to buy stuff without the retailer knowing where i live"

opsec shouldn't be the same?

i'm not sure, but i don't think so? is there a straightforward legal way for the retailer to link your license plate to your home address without law enforcement being involved?

For no address knowledge in the chain, use a systematic dead drop network.

assuming no, it might be reasonable to drive your own car to the store in one case, but extremely stupid in the other

You're kidding, right ? The data gets sold, and there are various companies slurping data from everywhere and selling the resulting aggregated data.

It's not really the retailer that's the main danger, it's just one of millions of enablers.

It's like the stasi. Half the population spies on you, but they're not the real danger, the stasi was the danger, the poor sods were just tools.

Well, they're a danger alright, but not the "root" danger if you see what I mean.

yeah, clearly

ndorf: there are networks of repo men that now have cameras on their vehicles that scan all license plates that they come across and upload them to the cloud, so you have a geographic point attributed to each license plate.. this data is sold to public/private organizations.

awful

Shitfucks like credit agencies (experian, equifax, that kind of buttholes), stuff like choicepoint.

You're not a customer of these spies. They just get your data from others. But they rat on you anyway.

And btw in the US it's an end run around the fourth amendment, due to the third party doctrine which is a completely antiquated argument that maybe was appropriate in the past but is not fit for purpose nowadays.

Do any stores even accept crypto irl? I think it's all online, sadly thay also have facial recgonition so it doesn't help alot but still

yes, the third party doctrine is complete bullshit

i've seen random stores accepting bitcoin since as far back as 2013, don't think i've ever seen monero accepted IRL except at e.g. defcon

moneromooo: emphasis on "maybe"

they need to just legislate privacy in public spaces

its way past time we had sane privacy laws

sadly, your privacy is not in the interest of anyone in the position to write laws

if a chick is breastfeeding an infant in the corner of a park because she needs to get it done, you dont go hang out with her, that's sexual harassment - this is the same issue

I'm increasingly of the opinion that for any evidence-gathering that doesn't consist of going through physical objects in non-private meatspace, government should have strong evidence of need to pursue the matter to get a warrant before gathering evidence. The result of failing to meet those standards should be both the disallowance of the evidence or any chain of investigation built upon it

*and* automatic filing of charges for all people involved in the steps leading up to the gathering of that evidence where the person was not the victim of a lie.

I'd drop the "disallowance of the evidence" part in a saner world, but the way the world is now it's needed.

e.g. placing traffic cameras at an intersection does not mean you can use the footage in a court of law unless you have evidence to present in pursuit of a warrant that shows a direct, personal reason for suspicion and investigation of someone who might've committed a crime (like supposedly running a red light)

In that particular case, the possibility of that evidence being combined with other evidence in a database to give rise to suspicion of an unrelated crime is sufficient potential violation of privacy to disallow it.

Of course, a more achievable outcome than getting *that* kind of law enacted is to just remove all laws against money laundering.

is this the right place to ask for monero-related help?

(in the narrow case of trying to get shit out of the way of using Monero, for instance)

I hope so.

Yes.

whew

MoneroHelp: Do you have a question?

I would give 200usd in xmr who can help me out

ah

I have problem with JSON-RPC on monerod

On query $monero->transfer($receive_amount,$receive_address);

MoneroHelp: you can usually expect to get help for free around here.

"code": -32600,

"message": "Invalid Request"

but transfer is sent

I am just getting wrong value back

inspecting traffic

between monerod and php server

I see

Are you sending to many people at a time ?

double query, double response

No, single transfer

Run with --log-level 2, post the wallet logs.

They'll have private info though, that's a problem ?

it would be a little

what's the issue beside address?

I don't know yet, thus the logs.

Host: v3.onion:5242

Accept: */*

Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate

Content-type: application/json

Content-Length: 0

POST /json_rpc HTTP/1.1

Host: v3.onion:5242

Accept: */*

Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate

Content-type: application/json

Content-Length: 314

{"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"transfer","params":{"destinations":[{"amount":80000800000,"address":"VALIDADDRESS"}],"mixin":10,"get_tx_key":true,"payment_id":"","account_index":0,"subaddr_indices":"","priority":2,"do_not_relay":false}}

sniffer

sees 2 requests

Use a paste site like paste.debian.net for more long pastes.

The interest part is the wallet logs, monero-wallet-rpc.log

If you're OK sharing it with me, you can GPG encrypt it with my key (utils/gpg_keys/moneromooo.asc in the monero tree).

ok, uploading

Level 2 please.

i've put level 4?

so it's level 2?

4 works, it includes 2.

ok 4 it is

tnx in advance bro

no specific error in logfile

but as said in sniffer I see two requests, let me upload that part too

using code from github.com/monero-integrations/monerophp

patched to work with v3 onion service

Indeed, everything seems to be going well here. Very odd.

Wait. You're sending a 0 byte request ?

Port 6235 is the daemon here ?

I am not, but it's showing in network traffic

No, must be hte wallet, since transfer on the same port later...

Looks like it's the monerophp software if it's not you.

But the transfer looks all fine as you said.

6235 is tor onion port but point to

monero-rpc port

thing is I hadn't modified monero php software

much

SerHack: does monerophp send 0 byte requests to monero-wallet-rpc in some cases ?

lol

I like hte "much" as an afterthought.

I wonder whether MoneroHelp is getting a bad feeling about the "didn't [. . .] much" now.