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louipc: 0.00007 XMR

waow

loui the monero whale

.val 0.00007 xmr doge

louipc: ≈0.29 DOGE • ≈ value of: 0.00007 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm

huehuehue

dogecoin is very over-valued

bitcoin too

Many things are overvalued.

for some definition of "overvalued"

I'm probably overvalued.

doge is cute

I never found it cute, but I guess cuteness is in the eye of the beholder.

I find this much cuter: sunnyskyz.com/blog/669/There-s-A-Pl…e-Waiting-For-You-To-Play-With-Them

arent wild animals vicious

trying to write grep in rust is "cute"

as are doggies

this is cute

lmao and i thought i was an opponent of msft

that meme is 💋

fundamental lack of understanding of how git works

but then again probably most people who use github dont understand how git works

git is the best

im working with the daemon RPC interface and its going good, so when i hit the get_transaction_pool method and im checking out the transactions in the pool i am getting 0 in the receive_time field on every transaction in the pool. i'm assuming that should be a timestamp for when the transaction was received by the pool but they are all coming back zero on that field.. any ideas? thanks much.

donkeydonkey[m]: is your rpc restricted?

<selsta "donkeydonkey: is your rpc restri"> yes

try unrestricted

might be that this kind of info is hidden in restricted mode

ok i will check it

<selsta "might be that this kind of info "> good one superhacker. i fired up my local daemon with non restricted and im getting timestamps on all the transactions in the mempool. interesting seams some fields are restricted on that call.

New Monerujo update has *fantastic* new sub address features:

* New Monerujo update has *fantastic* new sub address features including naming subaddresses, listing all transactions per subaddress, and improving UX around transactions sent to them:

so for my remotenode i would like to enable rpc login for the daemon. i set rpc-login=username:password so i can have unrestriced remote access. im having trouble getting it to authorize though. im connecting with http fetch and adding in Authorization header with Basic encoded64(username:password) but getting 401 unauthorized. anyone have experince login in with rpc-login.. thanks all!

vtnerd: Let me know, please, if/when you know something is happening that would make OpenBSD builds work again.

vtnerd: I'd like to start using the Monero command line wallet soonish.

apotheon: are you having some other build problem on OpenBSD, aside from the one i warned you about?

big if true

(and offtopic too, but I figured enough people here would find it interesting lol)

vikrantsCake[m]: blockFi as best as I can tell, were arbing GBTC premium to fund their yields. That premium turned negative a while ago ...

ndorf: There was a recent commit to the repository, using an OpenSSL function unavailable in LibreSSL, that broke building on OpenBSD.

<Inge- "vikrants (Cake): blockFi as best"> Time to withdraw all

vikrantsCake[m]: not your keys ...

<Inge- "vikrants (Cake): not your keys ."> Resume care of a non-custodial wallet you would think that I would follow that philosophy 😉

* > <@freenode_Inge-:matrix.org> vikrants (Cake): not your keys ...

As a maker of a non-custodial wallet you would think that I would follow that philosophy 😉

:D

is there any future for monero in less environmental impact? i.e. some replacement for cpu pow mining?

only Pow works for coins

No, screw the environment

You're part of it. Do I take it you can go fuck yourself then ?

I could have sworn I saw something a while ago comparing environmental impact of mining some of the most popular coins and monero was one of the best, does anyone know what I'm on about or am I misremembering?

There have been multiple discussion about this lately

Few of them using accurate numbers

And almost everyone leaves out that the outcome of mining isn't just the block reward, but also the transactions getting validated

yeah, it's converting physical energy into security of the network

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If only one of you gave Papa ChooChoo some TLC when I wrote a faster miner, instead of ignoring him, things could have happened differently np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/5lsfgt/_/dbz0jnp

lol papa choochoo

a nickname is born

lol

What the hell does "Papa ChooChoo" even mean?

as if it matters eh

IT DOES

kek

har

NOT

when rando is rambling on standing at street corner i don't ask him what that gibberish means

i keep on walking

some things best left unknown

referring to a contributor, last name Chu

apotheon: ah, crap. didn't realize that. is that the master or release-0.17 branch? you probably want to build the release-0.17 branch to use mainnet (IMHO)

Speaking of someone on a street corner, I saw a one-legged man in a wheelchair the other day with a sign that said "Please help. On my last leg."

lza_menace: Oh, thanks. I missed that reference.

I guess the Papa part ties in with that whole "don't you wish your mother was a Howard groupie" line, too.

ndorf: I guess I'm not sure.

I'll check on that.

It has been a couple days now, so I've cleared brain-RAM by now.

if it's anything like computer-RAM, perhaps putting your head in the freezer might help? :D

ndorf: I'm tempted.

It's probably a better choice than the oven.

apotheon: do you happen to know which commit caused the LibreSSL breakage?

not off the top of my head

I'll look for it again. It was within the last month or two.

ndorf: monero-project/monero 9867a91

ndorf: specifically monero-project/monero 9867a91#diff-06533929e35a0779b0d2b4952e8306dc85d0603aea0db1f8840f3dee24edee1aR579

ndorf: It's the SSL_CTX_get0_privatekey() function.

feh. ok, thanks

apotheon: release-0.17 should still build for now though, and that's the one you want anyway.

modulo that -DARCH=default thing.

Okay, that's good to know.

Thanks.

I guess I'll try again.

. . . probably tomorrow, at this point.

wfaressuissia[m]: Hi! It's me with the rock64, I guess my matrix server failed on me...

Is there a cmake option for the debug build?

sijanec: CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE?

ndorf: thanks

sijanec: the top-level Makefile has targets that will automatically set that up and place it in a separate directory from the default build.

sijanec: e.g. `make debug`, `make debug-all`, `debug-static` and so on.

Yeah, I saw that, so cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug . automatically places binaries into a special directory?

no.

That's what happened when I built Release.

The directions for OpenBSD don't say anything about choosing a particular branch or the -DARCH option, which seems less than ideal.

sijanec: `make debug-all` will create a separate directory build/debug, and run cmake -DCMAKE_RELEASE_TYPE=Debug there.

It should put the binaries into ./bin when you run that.

Okay, thanks.

apotheon: the -DARCH thing is a workaround for a fairly recent (i think) Boost bug

apotheon: it'd be easy to make the workaround automatic when OpenBSD is detected, but i wanted to see if it's fixed in the newer boost versions first, which i haven't gotten around to yet

also it's not clear which exact architectures require that workaround (certainly any amd64 westmere or newer, but not sure about older amd64 or others like arm*)

not really looking forward to attempting an arm build, lol

ndorf: Oh, lovely (re: Boost bugs).

yeah, good times

Every once in a while, I run across a nice reminder like this for why I've been staying away from C++ for more than a decade.

bloatware everywhere

hmm

What about Intel?

. . . or is Westmere an Intel codename?

westmere is intel circa 2010

ah

Shit, that's just about *everything* now.

yep

Criminy. That might apply to an old T500 here.

don't think so.

T500 is like 2008 if i'm not mistaken

Oh, right, I guess that wouldn't have gotten into laptops the same year.

Oh, is it?

Damn, I can't keep track.

I really don't keep up with hardware.

I have a 2020 laptop now, but that doesn't mean I know/remember much about hardware details.

if you feel like trying the build there and letting me know if you a compile error in boost/thread.cpp, i wouldn't mind :)

Everything since the advent of Intel ME just feels like a compromise for expediency.

Do you mean trying without the -DARCH or with it?

without it

I can try it when I get around to trying the build.

to see if the -DARCH is needed on those

right

Wait.

Are you talking about the T500 or my 2020 laptop?

with -DARCH it should hopefully work everywhere

T500

ohhhh

Okay, I can try there, too, but that'll be an extra task just for kicks.

oh, uh

actually i guess we don't need to do that

No?

we can just try to figure out what -march=native would resolve to on that, and then i can try it on reasonable hardware with that specific arch.

Come to think of it, I might have use for that computer running Monero software, so I might try it anyway.

apotheon: if you could, please run `echo | c++ -E - -march=native -###` and tell me what immediately follows "-target-cpu" in the output?

what kind of moron shills crypto mining ASICs in r/monero old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/mc…ing_crypto_today_the_best_offer_for

lol

hyc: looks like he shills the same shit in every crypto subreddit without discriminating

figures

ndorf: Is this request on the T500?

nothing but blatant spam for 8 months, how is that user not banned yet

apotheon: yes please

Hang on. In a little bit, I'll go into my office and hook it up.

I think I have current OpenBSD on it right now.

oh, -current? shit, that might not even be broken because of the newer boost version :) haven't tried that yet

either way though, i'll still take that answer

crap

ndorf: I have to go away for half an hour or so. I can check after I get back.

no worries

apotheon: actually, don't bother. there are only a couple of dozen supported -march params, i'll just try them all

so yeah, it's broken on all of them. makes the fix nice and easy i guess :D

ah

(I'm back, by the way.)

and -march=native isn't supported on OpenBSD/aarch64 anyway, so no point in checking for that.

don't think we really care about other arches.

trivial fix incoming

woohoo

Now . . . if only someone would evaluate my pull request in meta.

i did :D

was hoping someone else would comment

(maybe someone already did; I haven't checked in the last few minutes)

I see.

You're my hero.

sorta

lol, i was gonna say.

I mean, I don't really have heros, so much.

might want to evaluate my response before making a comment like that :)

. . . not since the passing of Claude Shannon, I guess.

my nitpick was that "array of binaries" doesn't seem to clearly indicate that it's referring to a specific, explicitly defined type "binary"

that being said, i certainly agree that the existing apostrophe thing isn't clear either, and should be fixed

just not sure what the ideal fix is

My usual solution in cases like that is to (consistently) make all technical terms that shouldn't be mangled by English into <code> (or, in the case of Markdown, into `code`).

so then what, array of `binary`s?

. . . so "`binary`s".

yep

I can see how "binaries" might be weird, now that you mention it, given the namespace clash with "object code files" and so on.

"array of `binary` objects" seems clearer, but also wider. not sure which is best. was hoping vtnerd or moneroexamples would have a stronger opinion :)

If I can get some kind of semi-official comment to the effect that'd be better, I'd happily update the pull request.

Yeah, the binary objects thing is a good'un.

Of course, if we go with "`binary`s" or "`binary` objects", in either case, I'd say it should be altered to apply the same standard to other types mentioned.

Maybe it should just be changed to "binary objects" for now.

i'm pretty sure the only people who care about that document as of today are me, those 2 guys, and possibly now also you.

I care about the specification giving a good impression to people, because Monero seems quite cool to me.

totally agree.

i think it's best to have the type name in `code quotes`, so that leaves whether or not to append "objects" as the only question.

I think that's actually a better solution than the pluralization, really.

Hit me with an answer when youse guys decide, and I'll be happy to update my PR.

. . . or go ahead and merge it as is, and I'll be happy to submit another for the new standard.

. . . or whatever.

It'd be cool to get on a watchlist for having a commit in the Monero spec.

Well, okay, maybe not cool to get on a watchlist.

s/a w/another w/ perhaps

heh, keep in mind that's the spec for the lightwallet API, nothing to do with monero core itself.

right

still "subversive" or whatever

well, i will approve that, and it doesn't seem like the other 2 guys care much, so i think you might as well go ahead and update the PR :)

okay

I *might* get to it tonight, but it doesn't feel urgent at this moment, so I suppose tomorrow's okay if I don't get to it tonight.

(I'm running out of time before I have to use my voice for communication for three hours.)

"whenever" is definitely fine

(barbarians, requiring voice to communicate)

I need to practice my barbarian yawp.

could be worse. could be video.

true

That would be horrifying.

At least there's a decent chance we might be moving from Discord to Matrix.

It depends on whether we have any problems with more than two people on the voice chat.

Is there some other non-copyleft open source decentralized text-and-voice-chat thing I should consider?

All that comes to mind for these purposes is Matrix.

i don't know, i stick to text unless forced :)

yeah

The voice part of this wasn't my idea.

Mumble is under a BSD license

Jitsi is under apache 2.0

How's Mumble's text chat interface?

I haven't used it in a long time, but it's nothing like matrix iirc

I seem to recall (from years ago) that Mumble required setting up a server to use it, while Matrix seems to offer a server for those who don't want to do so.

It's okay if you have like a person or two without a mic

There are public servers you can join on mumble

. . . for a private channel?

Just kinda weird to pop on somebody's server and use it

But it doesn't take much to host. a $5/month vps would be plenty

is Matrix+Jitsi not good? i was thinking of trying it out someday

Yeah, I'm not really interested in becoming a sysadmin (even with low overhead) for this.

ndorf: I haven't tried it with Jitsi yet. I'm waiting for the time to start the meeting to roll around so we can test the 3+ people use case.

apotheon: FYI, monero-project/monero #7631

Jitsi is more like self hosted zoom

ndorf: thanks

Though jitsi does have a public service you can use without setting up your own server

My understanding is that Matrix only "natively" supports two-person voice because of WebRTC limitations and falls back to Jitsi automatically if you have more than two people.

I haven't used any of matrix's voice or video chat features

What's up y'all

Is a fluffydonkey[m] like an onion?

apotheon, "non-copyleft open source decentralized text-and-voice-chat thing" tox

Wait, you can self host Jitsi?

Yeah, I set it up in a VM a few months back

as2333: That doesn't have web and desktop clients with persistent channels, though -- does it?

as2333: Also . . . what tox client isn't copyleft?

apotheon, not sure - maybe not. Their channels infrastructure wasn't too good.

ah

I guess I wasn't clear enough about my requirements.

I really just wish I could use IRC for the text part.

I should look into how to self host Jitsi lol

Maybe I should see if I can find a way to turn that joke voice-over-IRC project into something worht using some day.

s/worht/worth/

apotheon, hm double checking toxcore is copyleft apparently. Still, I'd rather use tox instead of matrix.

.balance

zach: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

zach: • Your balance is: 0.00143856 XMR (≈0.3 USD)

baller\

You're telling ,e

.balance

ndorf: • Your balance is: 0.00446402 XMR (≈0.94 USD)

whoa

where did that come from

soaking, perhaps

You can buy bitcoin in cake wallet starting today

hmmm

What about BCH or ETH or SHIT?

And the convert to Monero in cake :)

right

how do I buy bitscorn

vikrantsCake[m] ^^

bits corn is Monsanto's new cryptocurrency

Monsanto, not Monero

<nioc "how do I buy bitscorn"> “Buy” button in bitcoin wallet when in Cale

Or cake

yes but where are the funds from?

I have no financial stuff on my phone at all

Maybe it's siphoning funds out of some politician's slush fund without his knowledge.

Maybe it just mines the stuff for you through other people's browsers.

I'm actually curious, now.

vikrantsCake[m]: inquiring minds want to know

help the clueless

I'm unclueful, I suppose.

#forever-cluless

I'm kinda amused that so many people share old.reddit.com links.

It really says something about the unpopularity of the newer interface(s).

I'm really surprised reddit still provides access to people who don't run their javashit malware.

apotheon: it certainly understates that popularity. if you have a reddit account, you can change its preferences so that (www.)reddit.com is the same as old.reddit.com.

unpopularity, i mean

IOW, the set of people who have old.reddit.com in their URL bar is a subset of all people who use old reddit. i'd guess a pretty small subset.

apotheon: I share oldredditttt to look cool

new reddit has dark mode

I share not-reddit-at-all to look not-reddit-cool mostly.

even if you have the old design set in preferences reddit likes to occasionally show you the new one due to a "bug"

interesting

don't think i've seen that one

I just went there to see if there was any info on cake wallet

don't normally go there much ne more

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In what base ?

:D

all your base are belong to us

It's you...

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nioc: Snow White h​ad how many dwarfs

nioc: Oops you took too long.

sech1: who's us? you and me?

wut

Almost as old as goatse.cx

there was some logo i saw that reminded me of that

I though IRC was for boomers, now I have to explain boomer memes

What's go- nevermind

hello.jpg

or giver.jpg

which one are you?

lemon party

yikes

would you wanna be that guy for the fame

giver?

sech1: I'm Generation X.

I'd guess louipc meant the goatse guy.

apotheon, there were two

hello.jpg and giver.jpg

oh wait it's not -pools :D

oh man!

lol goatse was promoting dogecoin for some time