When Tari finally comes out, will you dump your Monero to buy it? Will others?

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Hi! Is there a reason why this room isn't encrypted?

So that anyone can read it, and post in it.

Wouldn't that be the same because you can only see the contents after you join? So if this room would be encrypted you could see the messeges after joining too. Isn't it the same?

So you'd want to encrypt it but give the keys to everyone ?

I'm not even sure what encrypting a room is really. You can use SSL on your connection to the freenode server you're on, but Freenode decrypts so they can relay to others.

But it's a public channel. Add crypto weight is pointless if everyone has the keys on request.

So it's unnecessary, right? :)

hello

hi

when u are behind router is better to use igd or not

AFAIK IGD is for telling the router "do what you need to do to route my stuff". So use this is you've no idea how to use a router and it's set up for automatic use.

default is disabled i think right?because is not connection in my case if i dont do --add-exclusive-node ip

I think defualt is enabled, since there's a --no-igd.

i want to connect from my tablet daemon to my server daemon that is behind router and if i dont do --add-exclusive-node ip will not connect!

You're using a LAN IP for this ?

yes

because server has 192.168.1.... internal ip

It's normal then. Daemons will connect to WAN routable IPs.

So what you did and all is good.

yes but is not connection is saying smth like "connection timeout" 5000

why is this  "connection timeout" 5000

Can't reach the other side.

so igd is not working

or is not enabled by default

I don't *think* IGD is meant to route stuff within your LAN, but to the outside. I could be wrong though.

yes i agree but what do in my case

Can you ping that other machine from the connecting one ?

Oh wait. I had assumed both were on the LAN. Is your tablet on the outside ?

yes tablet is outside

Why do you need to connect your tablet daemon to your server daemon and not any other ?

because i do solo mining from server

I do not see the relevance, but anyway: you need to open port 18080 on your router and route it to your server. Then reconnect your tablet when your IP changes.

port is open i checked this

I don't know how igd actually works, it's *supposed* to open the ports but I can't hlep if it doesn't. Maybe if you wait, someone who knows igd wlil reply.

Oh ok. Then it's odd.

Does the server see an incoming connection from the tablet at all ? "set_log 2" will show.

grep for "NEW" and the tablet's IP.

Then "set_log 0" to go bacl to default logs.

ok

hm i dont c tablet ip but port is open!

Are you sure the tablet is connecting to the right IP, and that the router is routing that port to the server running monerod ?

yes

Firewall maybe ?

mebbe

yes i need to check maybe fail2ban

smth like this

Hello, when we have a multisig wallet, a call to the transfer command generates a file (or hex in case of the RPC) containing the "transaction" already "partially signed" that we would then need to share with the other multisig parties. Is there a way of generating such transaction without signing it right away?

No.

Well, other than having the second signer generate it instead.

hmm, thanks. Given that when using a cold wallet together with a view-only wallet, we are able to generate an unsigned transaction to be signed offline, I was expecting that something similar would be possible.

mooo giving top notch support as usual

Any good trusted private android wallets?

There was monerujo but they recently started whitelisting dash so careful I guess. Hopefully still good.

Feather wallet might also do, they don't have an android version per se but it might work.

Cake Wallet seems pretty decent from a usability standpoint, but I don't have enough knowledge to be able to recommend it

I think cake is ios only, not android ?

(if it is also android, it seems like a pretty good choice)

cake is on android

Alright, thanks.

What's the ios one then ?

Or cake also ?

They also have an Android version too luckily, but I can't recommend it from a person with technical knowledge

Yep, iOS as well

OK, ty :)

No, thank you! You created moneroaddress.org right?

I wrote the code, saddam hosts it there.

That's so cool that you're so active, thanks for all your hard work.

Cake, edge, and mymonero where the ones I've found. Cake is the best?

monerujo should also be available

I don’t think you can see which is the "best"

say*

<signalarch[m] "Cake, edge, and mymonero where t"> Don't leave out Monerujo

hello, i wanted to start a topic about

true decentralised network

on same ideas as monero

can we fund and create such project?

low latency truly decentralised tor alternative

i am sure anyone supporting tor would support monero created network

and run node software side to side with tor relay

Monero would create a tor alternative ?

How would you create a tor alternative and say monero did it ? :)

just curious, could such network be created

and funded without USA money

but XMR

Nonero is software, it doesn't create other software really.

what is the point

what is the specific issue with tor

what problem are you trying to solve

some points of centralization and on my opinion tor project represent their own perspective first

backed by funding they receive

and not always open source community needs

this is not a specific issue

Now that's pretty subjective.

what is the perspective that is not being represented? what are the open source community needs not being met?

If you were to start a project like this, would you always serve open source community needs first ?

(whatever that means)

well I see what happens with monero

and can see different

as for the centralization, the problem is that only people who are into tor are willing to run Tor relays. this is because nobody who doesn't like Tor runs a relay.

way monero and tor project are handling things

Not true.

Well, I don't know for a *fact*, but I'm reasonably certain various parties who do not like tor do run relays :D

i see better math behind monero then behind tor

healthier community

not sure

true lol, malicious ones. but nobody who thinks tor is OK but not great would run one. The reason is that there's no financial incentives, because doing so would create even worse problems.

maybe it's subjective

>better math

what does this even mean?

better academic research

obviously funded by community

funding is the key

well, do you fund the tor project?

less then I donate to monero

There was the kovri project, which built an i2p router. It failed. Mostly because it was mostly a one person project, some others came and went, but ultimately one person (who was hard to work with at that).

see, there we go. the reason tor is funded by big money donors and not the community, is that big money donors (and not the community) fund tor

So if people around monero were to try to build another such thing, I see no reason it'd fare better.

if you had specific issues in Tor, it would be simpler to fix those

It'd be an even harder job if you were to design a new network too, rather than build something from an existing design (like i2p for kovri).

And it'd take a while to show that this new design is secure.

And if it's not substantially better, you risk just splitting the user base of such networks further, which is bad for privacy in general.

Substantially better would be worth it though. But that's something you must first demonstrate.

So contributing to tor and/or i2p seems like a better thing to do at first approximation.

I feel like monero will surpass tor and i2p in next 2 years

and community will all together become much more rich

If you're worried about centralization (directory authorities I guess ?) then try to find ways to lessen dependence on them.

I followed kovri project

it lacked funding?

CuriosityNOW: it mainly lacked devs afaik

one thing I know centralization is bad, and focussing all privacy into tor without alternative

is bad thing for long-term

is it hard to find right devs for kovri ?

yes

low level networking code, very few people have the training to do it properly

Does monero run fine on a HDD?

initial blockchain sync is very slow on HDD. everything else, no difference.

hyc: thanks, would it be recommended to copy over the files manually first then? I have a copy of the blockchain already

yes

this loki network, we couldn't make something similar?

definitely would save time

and is it known who is in charge for kovri project?

nobody is in charge of kovri now, it's a dead project

Damn I remember being really hyped for that

Also, I don't need to worry about having some old, less efficient format with my current blockchain right?

nope

hyc, what would you do if want to put a lot of money into privacy network

but don't like how tor handle things?

I would probably do something very similar to kovri, try to improve i2pd.

Or just integrate Bob/Sam into the monero codebase - making it compatible with any standard i2p variant

Probably much simpler than reinventing the wheel once again

yeah I wouldn't start from scratch

i2pd accepts everything for donation except XMR 😂

there was some drama between i2pd and kovri a while ago that's why

honeypot detected

very sad about donation

i see also lack of youtube videos about monero

<selsta "there was some drama between i2p"> That sucks. Didn't know about that

kovri is abandoned now?

yes, afaik the dev exit scammed

wouldn't call it exit scam

Exit scammed a community funded project?

didn't he get filthy rich and delivered nothing?

He stopped working on kovri, but did not exit scam AFAIK. That would imply he had money upfront, which I do not believe was the case.

this was funding for kovri?

<charolastra "didn't he get filthy rich and de"> I've seen the hourly rates of people working on the community projects. Nobody is getting filthy rich based off of them lol

Total cost: 7245 XMR

well

4 years ago*

soon before ATH of like 400 bucks

would make it 2,8 million dollares

but no idea how much he actually got end the end

let's talk how much is actually done?

monero price around that was < $10

and possible estimate how much it would need to complete the project?

in XMR

no

projects like this are never "completed"

also there is no point in funding kovri if e.g. i2pd exists

^^^

selsta: then why didn't Monero just adopt i2pd?

i2pd was dead during the time kovri got funded

the dev left for a year or so

and later came back

so kovri forked from i2pd

sure, but after kovri was abandoned, why wasn't i2pd adopted?

adopted in what way?

one might say

this works?

iirc kovri was supposed to be shipped with Monero as another way to additionaly increase privacy

monerod supports --tx-proxy now and a user can choose i2p-zero / i2pd / tor themselves

don't know if monero will ship with one of them in the future, not clear yet

shipping the GUI with tor might be more realistic

Anyone here run monero in a container? It's looking like the xmrto is my best bet

aye

i have a docker-compose file that builds the container rather than pull from a public repo

one dockerfile does a full compile, one just fetches binaries

Oh wow grafana too, nice

CuriosityNOW: answer first what you are trying to accomplish

that is the better approach

i've invested a lot of money into xmr coins

I think everyone here knows that most Monero exchange withdrawals and desposits are traceable (Breaking Monero - poisoned outputs). How does it feel to go out and lie to people that they are private and then earn less than holding BTC on your bag?

next reasonable thing is to invest into technology

around monero

+ i know and believe privacy is all we have

i been around 10-15 years

i saw recently fud that was spreading against monero

Always has been

fud spreading I mean

from what i've seen so far these years

more and more funds are invested into spreading fud about

privacy projects

newbie users have no idea what's happening

how reddit is flawed

the whole Web is flawed

the quality will win at last

and I've put my bets on monero long long ago

Monero is, in some significant practical sense as far as I've been able to determine, the best thing going in privacy-oriented payment systems. I'm interested, and I'm trying to get onboard in a real way.

That said, I'm not indelibly marking my allegiance for it any more than I do so for other "brands".

If something else becomes better, I might go that way.

I suspect some Monero core devs probably implicitly think that way.

It seems highly likely given the Monero orientation toward practical, effective privacy focus.

beside that technology is not everything

I'm working on a reddit alternative.

monero is lacking some business strategies

Not getting much traction, but it's brand new

upvotes are xmr transactions

gemini://gemmit.mooo.com

Pretty rough right now and requires a gemini web browser

CuriosityNOW: I think the business strategies are for users to undertake, unless you mean something other than what I think you mean by "business strategies".

It's like saying e-mail needs a business strategy. Monero is supposed to be a privacy protocol and not a scam coin.

pointing to mass adoption

I see more and more wallets which is good thing

anon_CWEJRrIS: Thanks for sharing, this looks interesting

for me monero is not a coin, it's philosophy

and true financial privacy, thanks all the people who worked on monero project

great work so far guys

CuriosityNOW: what kind of philosophy is Monero it to you?

in technology we trust? decentralization

how can i, as a layperson, know that there are as many monero in existence as ppl say there are?

f3r0x: I don't know technical details, but in principle it should be readable from the blockchain.

f3r0x: The blockchain is, after all, effectively where all Monero true reside.

print_coinbase_tx_sum 0 <recentheight>

ah, there we go

It'll take an hour on SSD :)

zoiks

wait, allow me to rephrase

gadzooks

basically wondering what advantages btc has over xmr

other than brand power

Holy overclocked ryzen batman!

Way more hash power.

Way more places where you can use ui.

Smaller txes, faster to verify.

moneromooo: err

f3r0x: depends on what you value in a crypto

after using both xmr and btc i personally prefer xmr

moneromooo: Oh, I think I get it.

s/use ui/use it/

I misinterpreted the bit about smaller transactions.

Well, I've seen a claim that using coinjoin to get some privacy ends up with about the same size as a monero tx. Dunno how close that is.

what's the deal with the claims about homomorphic encryption now being some kind of commercial product? Would that mean it should be 'easy' or efficient to create any sort of cryptosystem (including money) ?

> what kind of philosophy is Monero it to you

don't let bankers print money for their pals

and/or socialism for the rich is dumb

the rich like to pretend that most money is made taking risk but really it's the exact opposite

it's about getting let into the money printing club

and that outcome is exactly due to centralism

For me, Monero is more like a tool for implementing a philosophy than a philosophy itself.

I think every coin is a philosophy of its own

just wait till we can run nodes on space servers

homomorphic encryption isn't a silver bullet. it may let you generate txns that don't need range proofs I suppose

but not much else improves

hyc I thought it meant you could perform arbitrary operations on encrypted data. So you can have an encrypted database whose integrity can still be verified, which is more or less what a crpytocurrency is? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding something basic (quite possible)

Damn syncing on HDD really *is* slow

good luck with that, I'll talk to you in 2022 ;)

nah, it'll only take ~6 months on a raspberry pi with HDD :P

as2333: just having an encryption cipher doesn't ensure the integrity of a DB. you need crypto signatures too, none of the other requirements change at all.

hyc, yes - my bad, you still need signatures, a decentralized consensus, etc, but if all operations are done on encrypted that, then privacy should be (much) better?

on encryped data*

is it possible to run more monerod(monero nodes) one one server?

and what would be needed to make that happen?

two chain directories?

Yes, and different ports.

you can run multiple servers on the same blockchain DB

but why would you want to run multiple nodes?

oh this is misleading now

on the same box that is

can run two monerod on same directory?

thing is that I see

after some time

connections

to monero network

get really low

like 1-2-3-4 connections

so idea is to run few monerod

servers

and route them differently

trought world make it more connected

to monero network ?

probably better to find out why connections get low instead of running 2 nodes

any other issues you noticed?

Is it related to bandwidth?

i am using tor for outgoing connections

using --tx-proxy or with torsocks?

and bandwith goes like 1-10 KB/s

system wide proxy

but would now use balancer

to mix few proxies and few tor socks

it's obviously some nodes

don't accept tor

aka after sometime monerod doesn't sync

> can run two monerod on same directory?

or to use two dirs?

It's supposed to be able to run twice on the same db.

must admit I haven't tested that in quite some time

but it was working before, arbitrarily many monerod's on the same DB

they wouldn't corrupt each other?

In theory, no.

now that txpool is also in the DB I can't think of any info they could get out of sync with each other

Man taking me almost an hour to sync 2k blocks

whatever I try

I get Error starting server: Failed to bind IPv4

even port is different

All three ports ? Are you really sure ?

which other beside ? --rpc-bind-port 5632

p2p port, 0mq port. See --help.

it's up

--zmq-rpc-bind-port

--p2p-external-port

--rpc-bind-port

bless now I got some connections

haha

test.

icles

<TrooperZ> thisworldthesedays.com/uk-professor…s-monero-and-its-transactions1.html

Nice DisBotXMR

lol, good that it starts muted

i was on a sales call lol

did def not start muted

*for me

finally I've got tangible results from having google/youtube blocked in my firewall

Do you also secretly wisth your mother was Howard's groupie? reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/bxl87y…s_since_monero_was_released/eq7qior

not sure if this site has made the rounds here on IRC yet: moneroj.net

very nice. I had seen the S2F chart, but didn't think to go to the homepage