I don't think I've ever come across anyone else who thought of that idea.

the idea exists before crypto

. . . or, more specifically, who provide resources for the good of the community.

Sure, but I'm talking specfically about the characteristics of cryptocurrency mining.

oh

yeah I agree then

i like the idea of being able to just join any crypto project and become a node operator of some sorts

A straight-up PoW mining operation proves availability and application of computational resources for the community-support task of writing transactions to the shared ledger.

but tell me, if I run a monero node without mining

is this then good or not good or indifferent to the community at large

If you start getting into cryptocurrencies that provide other services on top of the blockchain's ledger functionality, there's an even sharper reputational component, as in the case of Filecoin rewarding not just ledger maintenance, but also provision of storage resources.

It's good.

i ran a storj node as an experiment, similar to the filecoin idea

The more (even non-mining) nodes there are that are not owned by some allied set of operators, the more resistant the network becomes to various forms of attack.

Independently mining increases the network health more than just running a non-mining node, for some minimum level of mining resources, but just running a full node provides some network benefit.

allright

. . . plus having your own, well-secured node also improves your own wallet's privacy characteristics, and allowing others to access that node as their backend at least makes it easier for them to find nodes to use if they don't want to run their own.

i like your point on mining, i haven't given it too much thought as it seems to me to become profitable you also need to do a quite sharp upfront investment

(i run my own node exactly for the added privacy ;))

Yeah, that might be the case. There are ways to improve that investment calculation, but sometimes people forget to count various factors when deciding it's worthwhile as a matter of profit.

For instance, if you plan to build a gaming rig and only mine when you aren't gaming, its operation as a mining rig subsidizes the gaming system cost.

to me its not clear yet if I could enter "the game" with like 1 miner

. . . but if you weren't going to build that gaming system in the first place, you're just buying an expensive new hobby (the gaming system) that isn't *quite* as expensive as it would've been if you weren't also mining.

exactly

If you want to get into mining with only one mining rig, you pretty much must join a mining pool, as I understand it. To contribute to network health, though, you should probably join a smaller mining pool.

also, different projects have different requirements

eg filecoin vs xmr

Building up smaller mining pools helps offset the centralization effects of the biggest pools.

With XMR, as I understand it, you want a high end CPU, probably Ryzen right now.

yeah i'd be happy to start a new pool

I don't know what filecoin requires, except that it involves some kind of proof of stake if I recall correctly.

only one problem, no ffn clue how to go about such thing

If you get a high-end gaming rig that you plan to use in off-time as a miner in mining pools, you could probably do well for yourself mining XMR on the CPU and ETH on the GPU.

it will change due to various factors but currently you will receive on average 0.00036 monero per day per 1000 H/s

Starting a new pool seems hard. You're probably better off picking one with townforge.net/cgi-bin/choose_pool?raw or from someone's personal recommendation of a smaller pool.

nioc: What's "H/s"?

alright, and how should i thing of 1000H/s (as in 1 intel-i5 or .. )

thing/think*

to make it more tangible :)

apotheon: hashes per second

ah

it's the output the miner will show

I wonder how one estimates hashes per second for a given CPU.

that's 35usd / year , more or less for 1000H/s

monerobenchmark dot com

Does that test your CPU, or just give info based on telling it what CPU you have, or what?

I guess I could just check the site.

apotheon: there is a benchmark site with that info

oh iSlo

bbl

monerobenchmark.com doesn't seem to exist

.info

apotheon: Monero (XMR) • Ver: 0.17.1.7-release • Blocks: 2330839 • Diff: 270.03B • Conns: 12 • Last: ≈0.46 min • Avg: ≈3.31 min • Confirm: ≈5 min

oops

I mean "it seems to be monerobenchmarks.info".

there is this one but you will not hit the highest rates for each cpu

right

what would be the least amount of H/s to make sure you're not mining without ever hitting a reward?

dot info... that one, my bad

some people ultra tune for those benchmarks

eventually gonna need some tuning

If pool mining it doesn't mattter how much h/s you have. The reward will be proportionally distributed to everyone who contributed to that block

So . . . *maybe* about sixteen cents a day for my laptop CPU.

(That's lower than what the benchmarks suggest. I knocked a bit off the top.)

and if you'd go solo? just curious actually

apotheon: cpu???

Zichi: Yeah?

Monero's CPU-mined.

setsimmons: thanks - is that the project you recently posted about with the various self-hosted services?

*sethsimmons ^

That seems like a lot, even so.

That's given eighteen samples, though, so it's probably one of the more accurate hashrates on that site.

Solo you'd get proportionally to network total hashrate in the long run

But you might never hit one block ever

Or get one very quickly

If I just take the number directly off the site, I get 0.1711152 (given an assumption of 250 USD per XMR).

Lottery basically

wait

That seems high.

Wasn't it more like 150 last I checked?

I'll just check current rates.

Oh, actually it's 260 per.

so 0.177959808 USD per day

That's . . . quite a bit.

about 65 USD/year, given 0.00036 XMR/1000H/s

That'd only take about twenty years to pay off my laptop.

. . . and I haven't even factored in the cost of electricity.

yeah it's more profitable to buy and hold xmr :p

yep

. . . but it's a way to (slowly) acquire XMR from Fiat in a way that's reasonably private (if set up properly).

Given my laptop usage habits, though, I should cut my numbers by about 75%.

then I'd rather look into an efficient setup and join a pool :)

Thus, it'd actually take about eighty years to pay off my laptop.

I'd get a lot of value out of the laptop just by using it, though, when it's not mining.

. . . so there's that.

The benchmark for the fastest processor on that list suggests almost ten bucks a day.

(USD at current exchange rate with XMR)

actually 0.0366494292 XMR/day

That seems to be a 5K USD CPU, though.

oh, probably more than that

I looked at the wrong price.

I'm not sure what that top CPU is supposed to be.

The second-highest hash rate on the site is a 5K USD CPU.

i just looked at a random pool

if my estimate is correct you could earn 0.1 xmr / day on avg using 1KH/s

pretty close

thats 25 usd / day, not bad

You made a mistake somewhere

probably, it's looking too good :p

.1 xmr = $25

oh, yeah, that's not right

0.0366494292

for just over 1KH/s

i was calculating based on a pool

i took the pool's paymouts over the last 7 days

shit

took the average

I can't math today.

then looked at the top wallets and their contributed hashrate

With the number that I gave earlier you can figure it out

1 kH is 0.0003 XMR/day (9 cents)

I was thinking of MH for some reason.

I dunno how the pool turns 1KH into 25 USD, though.

1 MH is 0.346 XMR ($90)

xmr.pool.gntl.co.uk/#/payments -> if you look at the payouts during the last 7 days you get 8.5 xmr

zo that's ~ 1.2 xmr / day the pool distributes

or maybe I was thinking of 100KH. I don't recall what number I had.

ah

then you look at the top miners -> xmr.pool.gntl.co.uk/#/topminers

AH, WELL

looks like they have been very lucky with blocks

those calculations I gave are just averages

say : 1.3 KH/s 0.06% *****hHGre -> so my estimate was 0.06% * 1.2 xmr / day = ~ 0.1 xmr / day (a little less)

wow

super-lucky pool

is my reasoning correct?

They "should" get 5.56 XMR per week with their current total hashrate, instead they got ~8.8, a luck factor of 1.6x, or 60% more than expected

oh i see

<k3LV1n> that says 13 kH not 1.3

ah oops

no ?

or sorry I was looking further up the list

indeed, 13KH is 0.5%

but if you look at payouts from the 7 days before the last 7 days

does monerod background mine only after it has synced 100%

rewards were only 3.5 xmr

swrangsar: only if you configure it to do that

0.06% is actually 0.0006 so 0.0006 * 1.2 xmr / day = ~ 0.001 NOT 0.1, does that help?

You did 0.06% as 0.06 instead of 0.0006

haha true

monerod used up all my 50gb 4G data limit in 4 hrs

LyzaL: thanks for pointing out the mistake

you bet

swrangsar: That seems suboptimal. Was this part of initial sync?

LyzaL: it still seems a good venture

Considering the size of the blockchain, that wouldn't surprise me at all.

K3LV1n: apotheon: this was the initial sync, but wasn't it supposed to use only about 30gb

k3LV1n: . . . if you can build a rig to hit that hashrate.

Isn't the Monero blockchain rather bigger than that?

wait

I should remind myself how big it is before I say that.

around 100Gb

I think the blockchain was ~50gb when I first started and that took a long while to sync can't imagine how long 100gb would take

how long

does monerod not sync a smaller pruned blockchain

Ah, I did recall correctly -- about 100GB.

swrangsar: If you tell it to used a pruned blockchain, yeah.

s/used/use/

If not, it goes full-blockchain.

k3LV1n: how do i tell it to mine in the bg even before syncing 100% the first time?

i don't know if that's possible, never tried it. to just start mining regardless consult monerod --help

anyone here heard of haven protocol before? i just ran into it researching mining pools

they say on their website its based on monero

swrangsar: data limit |= size of blockchain

there are many coins based on monero

there are over 8k coins, most btc based

yeah i don't know about all 8k :p

most exist to obtain $$$$

of course

but the question that comes to mind

are there monero based projects that are also supported/endorsed within the monero community?

not really

ProjectEpsilon: the sync might have happened faster. had already slept with the sync kept running.

something that extends monero in a way that monero itself couldn't do ?

How does wownero (unsure of official capitalization) fit into things?

Is that a testnet thing?

apotheon: it was created as a way of taking the steam out of a scam fork

I supported it just because of that

it was expected to die but crypto rarely dies

I see.

people are actually working on it

a joke that turned into a real thing, sorta

what does it bring that is different?

just fun

they have implemented things early that were scheduled to go into monero

in that way it is testing

they can do that cause no big deal if we break something

is it ok to copy the same monerod.core file across OSes like OpenBSD and linux?

using rsync.

openbsd

OpenBSD

is it advisable to solo mine monero using monero daemon?

is it profitable to solo mine using monerod, esp. on a slower OS like openbsd?

swrangsar: Whether you mine in a pool or solo has no effect on long term profit other than fee taken by the pool. The barrier to entry is quite low, you can easily try yourself and put the hashrate you get into a calculator.

unfortunately that dude left a while ago

is it profitable to solo mine using monerod, esp. on a slower OS like openbsd?

Hey, I can start the mining on the daemon from the cli wallet, which will pass my primary address to the daemon for rewards. Then, I can quit/exit the cli wallet, right? no case of daemon forgetting my reward addy?

mechanic41turk[m, correct

thanks Mochi101:

alright, mining on my cpu. doing my part!

Monero is Love

Why not join a pool, solo mining is practically useless unless you have some very very hefty hardware

ieatglueinthegulag: I will probably join a pool. For now, I am monkeying around solo.

mechanic41turk: Me too. A whopping 815 H/s.

picoq: I have a smokin' hot 1k H/s

Oops! Just hit 1002

Now I'm rich

Right?

So every 9 years or so I should find a block

some [UNKNOWN-AMOUNT] has been sent your way.

btw, cake wallet on fdroid wen?

I remember this was rumored a few weeks ago

Hmm. Syncing new block.

Clearly I'm not the winner.

hi

hi

hi

das ist gut

wir verstehen kein Deutsch hier

Lügen!

warum nicht?

Hier wird nur Angelsächsisch gesprochen

ah! angelsächsisch ja ja

hehehe

das ist "okay" angelsächsisch...

how things?

what's up?

blood pressure?

covid rate?

meh

you think that's going to scare us?

Could someone explain to me like I'm 12? .. How does monero work? I understand as it doesn't reveal the identities involved in each transaction.

But without this information, how does it determine if one account has remaining asset to trade?

You use the secret key of the output. The secret key also generates a key image, which gets published with the spend, and may only be used once.

So you prove you know the secret key, and you can only use it once.

The recipient can derive the new secret key, but the sender cannot (as it depends on the recipient's secret keys).

Hmm it makes more sense, slightly.

"Zero to Monero" is said to be very good at explaining how Monero works.

cool!

Was about to ask.

May be a separate question..

On monero's official site, it says that there are >30 contributors working on.

But what should be done and why should it be maintained?

I mean.. having new features coming up makes me feel a bit nervous.

I don't want to lose my monero's validity after some major updates.

What should be done... making it better, more private, more secure, more easy to use, faster, smaller, etc.

It should be maintained to fix bugs and keep it working with new versions of other software.

Your monero will always be spendable, and if by some bug it's not, it will be restored later. Or if that's somwhow not the case, I expect there'd be a lot of warning.

ie, very early monero can still be spent, and it does not use bulletproofs, nor ringct.

errr.. im new to cryptos.. any crypto that failed this way before?

ah i see

hello

Yes, monero had for a very short time a minor version where some coins could not be spent. This got fixed as soon as someone noticed.

It was a corner case, so did not get spotted in time.

Hello melona

melona: hi

Otherwise, there are some coins which do this, sometimes on purpose.

They usually couch this as "I'm making a new coin and you can swap the old for the new for a limited time".

zcash has a builtin system where if you're late to swap, you've lost your coins - which should not be happening in hteory, but can happen if there was an inflation bug.

how much byte add add_aux_pow on tx

33 I think.

Maybe 34.

tx_extra.resize(tx_extra.size() + 3 + 32);

tx_extra[start_pos] = 33;

one byte right?

moneromooo: ooo..

OK, sounds like 35 then :)

Is there any stablecoin whose privacy feature is as close as Monero's?

Oh yes, I forgot about depth.

One main reason I haven't start playing is the votality..

I think I remember someone mentioning trying to make a stable coin from a monero base. Can't recall who/what though.

Just remember such a coin's only as stable as the trust in whoever's making it stable.

moneromooo: yeah.. hmm but on the otherhand, i still have to trust monero's makers, right?

Also, probably the biggest downside risk to monero is "govts gonna ban" due to it preserving users' privacy. If a stable coin has privacy, it acquires the same downside risk.

Yes, but less, since we don't pretend to keep some exchange rate stable, usually by a claim we will redeem for fiat on demand.

but theoretically they cannot do anything, no?

Govts ? They can do pretty much anything. They have lots of money, guns, and lawyers.

But you can trade anonymously online.. so how do they catch?

The common way is to make something illegal with high penalties, and make highly visible examples.

This has happened in the US, not for privacy, but for securities fraud.

nij: they make the on and off ramps difficult.. So you might be able to trade it online but you will have a hard time changing it into the government's currency.

Various coins got... well, I guess they got to pay a small portion of their profits as a fee^H^H^Hfine.

they can't stop murder, even with a death sentence on it

practically they must confiscate computers

Mochi101: i see .......

Anyway, some govts might or might not. At some point they've got stop taking more and more of our privacy, right ? There's gotta be an end *somewhere*

Anyway, I think it's unlikely it'll be made illegal. It'd be like making window blinds illegal.

I expect there'll be more and more spying on, reporting requirements, and various laws will get a "using cryptocurrency for the crime" an extra penalty clause.

:|

And the more they spy, the more we try to keep away from the creeps... So much work spent just because creeps gonna be creeps...

weird

at the end they might just put monero developers into jail..

:(

"Anyone who contributed to monero, in any loose sense, are subjected to be put in jail!"

Well, we might end up in a worldwide dictatorship, sure. But if we get to that, that might be the least of our worries tbh.

I mean, surely you can't imagine a govt enacting this kind of thing and not having done a lot of really nasty stuff already, right ?

there must be some countries having that kind of govs ;)

Sure, and I think you missed my point...

another ques... if the encryption algorithm is broken suddenly, how will monero transit to a new algorithm that hasn't been resolved?

Which is, to make it plain, that a fair bit of the "regulations are coming" FUD is about imagining something really bad in monero's case while pretending everything else somehow doesn't get as bad.

Depends how broken. If broken in a cryptographic sense, it'll flow with research and review.

If broken as in anyone with a GPU can spend anyone's money, it's toast.

(same thing for any other cryptocurrency fwiw)

Uh..

I see.

One day it will break, I think :(

There's never going to be a proof saying one algorithm is unbreakable.

And really, that elliptic curve based algorithms are "safer" is only because no one has known an effective attack (classical or quantum)

It's not because that it's intrinsically safer (afaik).

Well, they do allow a similar strength for a lot smaller keys.

... I guess that doesn't really answer the point :)

Do they use multiple encryption? I don't know much about this, but something like a mix of RSA and an EC-based one.

I imagine this will be much safer, as if one of them is broken, there's time for the developers to be aware.

Monero ? No. Other coins ? Maybe some.

<nij "There's never going to be a proo"> Funny enough, elliptic-curve is actually more susceptible to Shor's algorithm attack on quantum computer than even regular RSA

keo[m]: ? what do you mean?

Isn't Shor's algorithm a direct quantum-computer solution to regular RSA?

And afaik there's no known for ec-based ones..?

It could be also applied to other asymmetrical cyphers

Hmm

I feel like I am able to follow any step in Shor's algorithm, but I haven't been able to know the big principle behind in order to generalize that to other asymm cyphers.

s/any/each/

Source: f5.com/labs/articles/threat-intelli…-a-pre-post-quantum-computing-world

They discuss EEC too

Here's the paper on how to modify Shor's algorithm for EEC for interested: eprint.iacr.org/2017/598.pdf

keo[m]: it's a bit too technical for me :-(

how do i tap into this kind of paper?

(i'm not afraid of hard math, but i need to pick up many terms as it seems)

<nij "how do i tap into this kind of p"> Hahaha, I only read abstract and conclusion

keo that's it, i cannot even understand the abstract

It's over my head too

it's ok, being able to understand the abstract is a huge leap

could you share what you understand from the abstract?

i will try to glue the pieces together

even if it's just a tiny part of the abstract

it would be valuable

"the number of qubits required to tackle elliptic curves is less than for attacking RSA, suggesting that indeed ECC is an easier target than RSA."

<nij ""the number of qubits required t"> Well, yeah, that's the main point i got. They also give estimates to complexity of algorithm in terms of qbits and logic gates (Toffils). The fact that it's linear complexity in qbits is problematic because we can't just increase key size in ECC then. It's "only" 2330 qbits for P-256 curve

is it a wanted feature to receive no error if from the cli wallet is provided a wrong password on new output received request?

it'll just ignore it silently

you have to type "refresh" again and it'll ask for password again

sech1: Yes, I know.. I just find odd that no wrong password error is showed

.soon

mfoolb: ≈$0.0716 • ≈ value of: 1 SOON • Source: cmc/ccc/altm

.balance

mfoolb: • Your balance is: 0.00618854 XMR (≈1.64 USD)

.balance

netrik182: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

netrik182: • Your balance is: 0 XMR

.xmr

xrv0[m]: You must have bot account & be logged in

.bal

shillo: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

shillo: 0 XMR

f

.balance

sech1: • Your balance is: 0.00454065 XMR (≈1.19 USD)

nice

Hello guys, I noticed when you create a wallet, it generates two files. One file that is just the name of the wallet, and another that is walletname.keys - can anyone explain to me the use of these two files?

And if I wanted to transfer my wallet to another pc, would I need to copy both of these files?

/quit

 

<nij "Is there any stablecoin whose pr"> I was exploring this very question in the WSB room last night.

They file with .keys at the end contains your secret keys. The other contains various data cached from scanning the chain, as well as tx secret keys from txes you sent, tx notes you may have written, address labels, pregenerated subaddresses, etc.

So if I were to just copy the .keys file I would have access to my XMR but no information on anything else correct?

Yes.

Cool thanks, does the .keys file also store the wallet password?

No. Nothing stores it.

moneromooo: are these two files encrypted at rest?

so if someone stole my .keys file its game over

Yes.

dang ok thanks for the help

If your password is shit, yes.

moneromooo: yes to what? sorry about the ambiguity.

Yes to "mechanic41turk[m> moneromooo: are these two files encrypted at rest?"

moneromooo: got it. thanks.

The KDF is cryptonight so you can't try that many passwords in a second.

ok so even if someone stole .keys if the password was good it would be hard to steal the money

Yes.

That's really cool, I'm really liking Monero so far it seems like a very good project

I think so too :)

go figure lol

are there any alternative to monero.fail with some more detailed stats?

year, month, week uptime

at at least date of creation + total uptime

+ some transaction check machanism to see does any node from list decline transaction

(and try to act as malicious remote node)

Most third party nodes are probably malicious.

I can't agree with that, at least for my nodes

If they're yours, they're not third party.

Do you have ~ half the public nodes ?

DIdn't came here to fight bro

Is there some specific reason why you would say most of remote nodes are malicious?

specially those behind onion service?

I said probably, because they have the means opportunity and incentive.

Also a few dozen of them were on the same /24 IIRC.

Not talking about those poisioning network remote nodes

Because a number of companies make their unethical money by spying on cryptocurrency users.

but those oridinary user can use to make transaction

Because some poeple are just assholes.

Well it's kind of tricky with monero anyway

You can't ban it like you would ban weapons or drugs

Because that would be ban on privacy

(not that it's not happening)

but wanted to point that maybe funding project like advanced monero.fail

should be created and let community fund it?

You can ban anything you want if you have good enough PR, don't be naive

I can't agree on this one

technology made it possible

Doesn't mean it can't be made illegal

they can try to slow something down

Just look at copyright. Who would've thought you could be prosecuted for sharing few bytes. Nowadays you can.

As I recall bitcoin was "made for drugs and finance isis"

Considering you could conceivably send a string of emoji to a server process on the other side of the world to transact on a blockchain like Monero's, the only way to ban Monero completely at this point would probably be to EMP the internet's infrastructure.

(whatever that infrastructure is, functionally, at that time)

I believe you can't make monero illegal, because it would happen otherwise

At some point, that infrastructure under desperate enough circumstances could be short-wave radio and chain-link fences, plus passive listening receivers.

baning something requires consensus

The way to really "ban" it is to convince people to stop using it -- which is propaganda, marketing, whatever, and not enforcement.

and we see few parties on political scene

can't believe they would all agree

specially with us

Banning something requires consensus? Since when? Just bribe few politicians, no consensus needed

that would make it happen for one country no?

they would switch to vpn then and bridges?

...switching to VPN or bridges doesn't make the thing legal, just makes detection way harder

onf: I think MoneroLover means "successfully, totally ban", not "issue a ban and try to enforce it".

. . . which is why I qualified "ban" in my first comment on the subject this morning by saying "ban Monero completely".

(The emoji and shortwave radio examples are borrowed from Andreas Antonopoulos.)

apotheon: Yeah, but then again no ban is 100% successful anyway

indeed

. . . except in very controlled circumstances, and/or when the actual standards for success of the ban aren't about actually perfectly prohibiting the banned thing.

I'm pretty sure the goal of selective drug prohibition in the US not to actually prevent all proscribed drug use, whether that was the original goal or not. In some respects, it's *very* successful, in that it enables agents of government power to do a lot of things that it would be much more difficult for them to accomplish otherwise.

like more budget?

The War On Dogs is probably actually creating more dangerous addicts than it's preventing or stopping, after all.

Yeah, bans' actual goals might differ from their official ones

budget, ability to confiscate things pretty arbitrarily, identification of certain types of dissidents, funnelling election funds to the "right" places, funding ever-increasing personnel requirements for law enforcement, creating an enforcement class that doesn't feel beholden to the people they supposedly "protect", and so on

apotheon: Almost all government-enforced bans are doing more harm than good

Just "budget" hides myriad evils, including creating lucrative markets for illicit profit by government agencies engaging off-books operations.

onf: indeed

War On Dogs, War On The Homeless, War On Tourism . . .

Official names are somewhat different (War On Drugs, War On Poverty, War On Terrorism).

The term War On Dogs is a bit flippant. As Bill Hicks once said, it's a war on personal freedom.

I'm pretty sure he said it a lot more than once, actually.

Can you get the current block height via the wallet rpc

The block height of the connected daemon

Yes.

I just looked at the wallet RPC, searched for height, it was the first hit...

It seems to get the daemon height too, not the current height the wallet's at.

I almost read "daemon height" as the movie title "Demon Knight".

I'm pretty sure it's the height the wallet is synced too...

height - unsigned int. The current monero-wallet-rpc's blockchain height. If the wallet has been offline for a long time, it may need to catch up with the

daemon

I'm using the monero-javascript library and it's also documented as "Get the block height the wallet is synced to"

to*

My apologies, you are right.

this monero reddit spammer is really annoying

I hate to mention but with these kind of attacks

it's more likely to be competitor

it is clearly someone trying to discredit/devalue monero

the details and specifics are another matter

can he print the stickers around the cities too?

lol

and talk to random people on street

we wouldn't mind it

The sad thing is, it's probably very effective for the money spent

it's an attack on "newbie adoption"

I set up an automod filter that's been removing all of his posts automatically, but it's still saddening to see

I don't see reason to dox the people?

<xrv0[m] "The sad thing is, it's probably "> I doubt it

Also, let the shitcoin maxis spread FUD about XMR, it means more time for us to s t a c c

ieatglueinthegul: the value of XMR has been steadily increasing

The fundamentals are stolid enough that even when the current crypto bullrun ends and the market is wiped, XMR will retain its value

And that is when people will become interested in it

Just give it time

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rupee[m]: Which is​ bigger, 3 or 1

3

rupee[m]: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to rupee[m] [c02b1a1f] Wait ≈1 day 38 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01222188

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how do I use the faucet? :)

.help

rupee[m]: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs: bill48105.github.io/wallet | My core commands: .balance .deposit .faucet .ping .soak .tip .val .withdraw | .help <games|share|misc|other> to see others | .help <cmd> for more details.

.soak

rupee[m]: Soak how much?

0.0001

Total was <= 0. Minimum: 0.00015 XMR. (Min per user met?)

.balance

rupee[m]: • Your balance is: 0.000057 XMR (≈0.01 USD)

.balance

gumman: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

gumman: • Your balance is: 0 XMR

.faucet

gumman: Zero less th​an 9?

yes

gumman: Oops that is not correct. Try again later.

lol

ok

I guess I don't know math

goodbye, cruel world..

:D

.balance

Pepin[m]: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in?

.faucet

gumman: How many​ digits is 14685

5

gumman: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000007 XMR to gumman [94398871] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01222118

thank you <3

.deposit

rupee[m]: Send XMR to 83qSCgosKNphbFN5nhtw5KWusNDXMzTdJ6GkJnkfBuRPFPwSxS7wzGTLyk79VaCC4zNiswgMiUZ1ZduwFw7Tx2gZLpkrqDe | credited after 3 confirms.

.balance

ProjectEpsilon: • Your balance is: 0 XMR

Can't even afford air

can I log in via matrix?

You can login to irc using the Matrix bridge

just use the free government supplied air

<Pepin[m] "can I log in via matrix?"> github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appser…-Matrix-to-participate-in-IRC-rooms

.faucet

ProjectEpsilon: Of 8 & 9, which ​is 8

ProjectEpsilon: Oops you took too long.

oops

<rupee[m] "github.com/matrix-org/ma"> thanks!

I'm confused was I supposed to type 8?

yes

I wish I could find people to buy XMR from face to face here

I guess I'll have to do the btc->xmr route

Ah for some reason I thought it was some trick question

.balance

Pepin[m]: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in?

.faucet

ProjectEpsilon: Snow White + her ​dwarfs

Seven

ProjectEpsilon: Oops that is not correct. Try again later.

Guess I'm dumb

lmao

she had 7 dwarves

+ herself... :)

.balance

Pepin[m]: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in?

.countdown

.jackpot 0.00001

rupee[m]: [ * | # | ~ ] 0x » DONATED 0.00001 XMR [7690aed1]

.jackpot 0.00001

rupee[m]: [ ~ | * | @ ] 0x » DONATED 0.00001 XMR [59d02874]

.balance

Pepin[m]: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

Pepin[m]: • Your balance is: 0 XMR

.soak $1

Unable to share 0.00390263 XMR: Not enough in balance

.balance

rupee[m]: • Your balance is: 0.000037 XMR (≈0.01 USD)

.faucet

Pepin[m]: How many wolves in Three Little​ Pigs

Pepin[m]: Oops you took too long.

.faucet

Pepin[m]: Twins ar​e how many

2

Pepin[m]: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000026 XMR to Pepin[m] [d0fb7704] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01223858

Where is Mr. PONY

I request his presence

.seen Mr. PONY

rupee[m]: Mr. was not found

who? fluffy?

.seen fluffypony

fibonacci: fluffypony was last seen in Wallet ≈2 days 23 hrs 16 min 12.9 sec ago.

you need to hold a seance i guess

Lol

You can't just snap your fingers and get a pony

Who do you think you are?

I just wanted to see if he wanted to drink a beer.

Wine hurts my stomach

how bout whiskey

.balance

rupee[m]: • Your balance is: 0.010037 XMR (≈2.57 USD)

.soak $1

rupee[m]: Really soak 0.00390047 XMR? y/n (10s)

y

rupee[m] soaked 0.00026 XMR (0.00390047 Total) upon 15 users @ 813 minutes nij mfoolb sech1 swrangsar RaeCarruth moneromooo Wallet charolastra ProjectEpsilon Mochi101 FIBONACCI leonardus louipc gumman chaper @bonuspot (0.00000047 scraps) [aeca5e3f]

txrpe

de nada

:D

thanks!

I'm so wet right now.

.balance

rottenwheel: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in?

.balance

charolastra: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

charolastra: • Your balance is: 0.00026 XMR (≈0.07 USD)

Rude.

.tip 0.00026 rottenwheel

.balance

rupee[m]: User '0.00026' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account

Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0028964 XMR (≈0.74 USD)

fast forward 5 years

and this is children, how I got my first $5 million

.faucet

.tip rottenwheel 0.00026

rupee[m] tipped 0.00026 XMR (≈$0.07) to rottenwheel [9f9f37c2]

Mochi101: Which is smalle​r, 9 or 1

1

Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.000007 XMR to Mochi101 [e240cf6b] Wait ≈1 day 10 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01223205

.balance

rottenwheel: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in?

She doesn't like me today.

thanks rupee[m]

yw

.doge bal

rottenwheel: Access denied for bal. Are you logged in?

.doge bal

Mochi101: 5.01 DOGE

What is this witchcraft Bill48105?

It's in other channels too.

.faucet

nioc: Of 0 and 9, w​hich is 0

can I phone a friend

nioc: Oops that is not correct. Try again later.

Lol.

.balance

Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0029034 XMR (≈0.75 USD)

.tip nioc 0.0029034

Mochi101 tipped 0.0029034 XMR (≈$0.75) to nioc [e15808bd]

woah

Big spender

I am the only trustworthy one here

dont spend it all in one place huh nioc

just hope that I don't die

Not spending it. Nioc is my banker.

is this L2 solution for romero?

ye

what would you guys say is missing for monero?

but I need to be awake and I take many naps

inb4 adaptation

gumman, chicks in bikinis promoting it at trade shows

mmmm

We have Sexycyborg though

oh god

Yeah, and her shorts are usually so small they are pretty much bikini bottoms.

good decentralized exchange is missing

how come there are 0 known (to me?) onion crypto-crypto exchanges?

right

an exchange without javascript would be boring

use an api with local app

that would be way more awesome than javascript

yeah sure, "install and run this executable which you download from a dark net site"

but is Joe gonna download some app to trade

why do you need JS for exchange? for realtime prices and such?

yeah

Could go old school.

true

gumman: need 'monero' branded heroin

that'll do the trick

what about something like one of those tor chats that seem to refresh automatically

utilize a system like that to periodically refresh

I doubt tor crypto traders are the types where a microsecond is a matter of life or death

auto refreshing iframes

yes

old school

like forced amazon clicks to get your cookie set

them were the days

forced what to what

forced click of an affiliate link

Amazon supported my smoking habit for about a year.

I think I'll sue them.

nice

so about xmr.win

do you really play it often?

xmr.win doesn't seem to exist

ugh, monero.win? whatever, wasn't it you who brought it up?

That wasn't here.

this is the interwebs

here is everywhere

ah yes

this is the wrong channel

is it against some IRC ettiquette to bring up stuff discussed in another channel?

Mochi101 a man of integrity

.bal

fibonacci: 0.00026 XMR

Well, usually there isn't so much discussion in this channel. It's high importance business use only.

.soak all

fibonacci soaked 0.00001 XMR (0.00026 Total) upon 15 users @ 389 minutes Mochi101 louipc RaeCarruth ProjectEpsilon charolastra leonardus mfoolb gumman chaper sech1 Wallet nioc rupee[m] moneromooo rottenwheel @bonuspot (0.00011 scraps) [b4488ed9]

tnx

thank you =)

Yea like if you wanna soak piconero type gangster activities

where does monero discussion happen? in the form of chats, not a forum

Pardon me, do you have a moment to discuss our lord and savior ✞Cheesus Monero✞?

I do

I don't know what to do now. Everyone always says no.

quick, distract us with more moneros

everyone faces his battles, eventually

or that ^

.balance

ProjectEpsilon: • Your balance is: 0.00027 XMR (≈0.07 USD)

Look mom I'm rich

.balance

nioc: • Your balance is: 0.0086848 XMR (≈2.25 USD)

nioc balling

!quote

Random quote (#930): [18:26:50] btcdwed: btw. i said xmr wont go under 75$

!quote

Random quote (#1239): [16:11:51] <asymptotically> tfw crows are smarter than the average #monero-pools user

!quote 1

Quote #1: hi there :)

!quote

Random quote (#723): -!- mode/#wownero [+b monerobux!*@*] by monerobux

!quote

Random quote (#1240): Mochi101> At least we made one good call though M5M400

!quote help

!help

!quotes

Random quote (#451): iCookie ) mochi101 lets play cops. act like u are interrogating me

stap it

.tip Mochi101 $0.01 shh

rupee[m] tipped 0.00003856 XMR (≈$0.01) to Mochi101 [6d259f43]

!quote 1337

Quote #1337: <Inge-> I am awesome.

o/

\o

louipc, don't be sore bro

I was just teasing ya

!quote 420

Quote #420: blaze it

ha

!quote 69

Quote #69: [17:32:08] <\x> .mine 80000 | [17:32:09] <monerobux> At 80000 h/s with network diff of 3.70e+10 and block reward 5.93 you can expect 1.1076 XMR per day. | [17:33:07] <Yd> damn 80khps , what kind of gpu do you use @monerobux ? and how many of them ?

:P

howd i be sore?

louipc, because I stabbed you in another room

:P

yea i died

louipc, indeed

oh ye i guess stabbing causes soreness

:P

does monero still work on i2p integration?

kalibri or whatever the stuff was called, that i2p fork, too

.balance

leonardus: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

leonardus: • Your balance is: 0.00027 XMR (≈0.07 USD)

I'm rich

I'll see you all later in my lambo.

gunnm[m]: that fork was called kovri and is ded

however you can currently use monero with i2p

just don't ask me how

others may know

You must find a monk ontop of an ancient mountain and only there will you find how to use I2P with Monero

:')

just put some xmr in a fresh wallet for a newborn

the idea being that little kid can only access the funds in 18 years ^^

k3LV1n, locked_transfer <address> <amount> <999999>

It's not 18 years though.

don't need to lock it. It'll take already 6 before the kid can read "monero"

so

:p

ill hand over the parents the memonic seed without further explanation

will be a nice treasury hunt :p

maybe also add the pubkey so they can add funds if they want later

add/send

rottenwheel: if the bot says that either you're not registered/identified with freenode, you identified after joining & need to /cycle, your have 2fa enabled & need to unlock, your account is locked on the bot for dormancy/re-use.

figure keep bot use to minimum here & use it in one of the bot channels like ##wallet or #tippero

gumman: this might be useful: github.com/monero-project/monero/bl…b/master/docs/ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md

rupee[m], thanks :)

Bill48105 meh, it works in dogecoin channel with mmxxx, but not here. I am registered on freenode and it automatically signs back in if my connection drops. It's whatever.

i just listed the possibilities for you to check. i was not saying all apply to you

and no idea what mmxxx has to do with anything

hi

after merge mining code added now tx is not acceptable

i think that is a byte size issue

before everything was ok

Can someone who is not an utter brainlet ELI5 this to me?

Preferably as paper bad or paper good?

paper good

it's laying out how it's perfectly legal for companies to deal in XMR