pump for freedom

^

"$ is a byproduct of monello, not the reason for building it" where does this idea come from? monello itself is money, and isnt the work what is generating it?

apotheon: "Monero just needs to keep abreast of privacy concerns" that and need to make sure we're visible of how capable monero needs to be to remain relevant. programmability/interoperability is a worthy area of research. i think we ought to keep an interest in being able to launch something like DLSAGs

endogenic: in that people find $$ aka usd a motivation

DLSAGs?

83% done syncing zzzz

.balance

DreadPirateRoger: • Your balance is: 0.0007982 XMR (≈0.25 USD)

what up pirate

Not a whole lot. Rum and Plundering

.balance

KSaunder1on: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in?

Hows life on the high seas?

yum rum

rip KSaunder1on you'll be missed

He was a pcuser...

politically correct

hahaha a Politically Correct substance abuser

<DreadPirateRoger "Hows life on the high seas?"> How is prison?

Less rum just as much plundering

Ross is at 2751 days in jail

Bill48105: What kind games can Wallet play?

.help games

Bill48105: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs: bill48105.github.io/wallet | My games commands: .bang .befr .bj .drawpoker .duckcall .holdem .poker .reload .roul .slots | .help <games|share|misc|other> to see others | .help <cmd> for more details.

please dont play here though. do it in #tippero ##wallet or #walletbot instead

Cool

endogenic: could any part of mobilecoin be reused in the mainline monero?

i probably should just set nogames here or limit to 1 per day since this channel is bridged & could really annoy people quickly

endogenic: I think what he meant was

"price appreciation is a byproduct"

making/earning money off using monero for economic purposes is an intended goal, "number go up" is just a side effect

endor00[m]: ^

thx :)

.balance

DreadPirateRoger: • Your balance is: 0.0007982 XMR (≈0.25 USD)

yup still the same since last check :)

how does this work?

Fyi in 0.17.2.0 armv8 monerod works on rpi4 (armv7 does not) but armv8 monero-wallet-cli does not. armv8 monerod + armv7 monero-wallet-cli does work.

what does not work?

monero-wallet-cli armv8 exits with Bus Error

and v0.17.1.9 works?

Sorry jumped pasted that one. No doesn't work either

Maybe something in my setup has changed. Weird. The old (0.17.1.8) monerod that used to crash because of illegla instruction (rpi missing aes instr) works now. So probably nothing specific to last release

Does anyone having problem when compiling monero v0.17 latest release from source?

post the problen

problem

I got error likely with libboost ix.io/2VTL

or update boost

but that just fails in tests, monerod and monero-wallet-cli should be compiled already

@selsta : thank you, I've checked that binaries are compiled. Gonna check them again latter

.faucet

g​umman: Of 7 and 0, which is​ 0

0

gumman: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to gumman [f27ae404] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01553837

cheating!

:P

.faucet

​azy: Of 4 ​? 7, which is 7

7

azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to azy [b3f7371d] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01553507

.faucet

Mo​chi101: Which ​is bigger, 3 or 1

3

why bother with that stupid question

Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000006 XMR to Mochi101 [cfff09fa] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01553447

.balance

azy: • Your balance is: 0.0000733 XMR (≈0.02 USD)

.balance

Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000806 XMR (≈0.03 USD)

.tip azy all

Mochi101 tipped 0.0000806 XMR (≈$0.03) to stev3 [8fe3721a]

x

wtf

Bill48105, ?

because something something MONEY

but the questions are truely retarded

charolastra_, which questions?

those riddles from the wallet bot

Thise are Captchas

i suppose

they are!

pullet in from externally?

no, they are part of the bot's code

what's the point? those questions could easily be answered by a machine. why not give coins to everyone who asks?

otherwise you could have a bunch of bots come into a channel and each of them request from the faucet and then each of them tip to one wallet to consolidate and then withrdraw to an external wallet

charolastra_, so program a bot to do it and kick Bill48105's ass with it.

oh Mochi101, are you the author of the bot?

I'm sure he'd be up for the challenge.

no

ah :)

Bill48105 is the owner.

.faucet

charolastra_: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

it's a bit buggy, you should be authorized on IRC (through NickServ) and if it still complains then usually spamming .balance a few times gets the bot going

charolastra_: ok just make a machine to answer them instead of complaining

moanero should be worth a lot more right now

how much more?

at least the last ATH

raecarruth, I spelled it 'moanero' and complained about the price.

iunno what that was

It was a joke.

yeah, i missed that...

i get it now

;)

reminder to report spammers on github

don't just assume someone else will do it

it's rate-limited though, they only let you report two at a time

That's so the reporters don't spam with reports.

Hello all.

I would like to make a report of what is potentially Monero stealing malware.

I enter in the CLI wallet the command "sweep_all index=all 4EQMPwbasBcTpS........"

But on the hardware wallet device I am using it shows the address:

"44hgP8..."

I did a check of the hash of the file when I first downloaded the wallet, which verified correctly.

Considering that I checked the files, I have no idea what might cause the address to be as entered in the CLI but completely different on the hardware wallet screen

how do you know its malware ?

^

I have never seen the other address before

that the hardware wallet claims the transaction is sending to

Both addresses check out as valid addresses on xmr.llcoins.net/addresstests.html

with different public keys

Mochi101: yeah, but there could be a system of "known valid reporters"

I've already reported many spammers in the past that were banned afterwards, you'd think they could give me a higher report limit, but no

clavi, you mean a central registry?

Adreik, could you be sending to an Integrated address (4E) and it's showing you the regular base address (44) ?

Mochi101: not sure what you mean

Yeah, that seems to be it.

Aren't those deprecated though?

Unencrypted ones are... Encrypted not.

Should I contact the counterparty institution and ask them to change it

No

I'm talking about reporting bots on github, if you've made valid reports in the past your report limit should be higher

should the Ledger HW screen not show the integrated address instead of the base address?

seems like a pretty big flaw; you could trick someone into sending to a different integrated address identifier

Adreik, it should probably show the address that you told it to send to rather than the base address, yes.

it boggles the mind how many processes are static, I thought computers were made to automate things

clavi, automate it then.

I don't work at github

apply for a job there

Can anyone confirm that this is the usual behaviour of ledger hardware wallets; to display the base address only when you send to an integrated address? If not I guess I will be the test subject...

Yeah I think that is a known "feature"

any timeline on when it gets patched?

no idea. No way to use a subaddress instead?

I guess I could request that the counterparty update their system, but there isn't an alternative deposit method, no

so either 1. send tiny amount and verify it is correct, or 2. use your own intermediary wallet to send to first ?

Will you HODL XMR or dump it for Tari when it comes out? Will others?

certainly wont dump it for ryo

I don't know why they even bother with that... Tari is never going to launch a mainnet.

how do you get tari if it's mergemined? do you just get tari when you mine xmr now?

or as well as*

same way doge works

i dont know how doge works either :'(

merge mine magic

MMM tech

I keep finding obvious mistakes in Mastering Monero (pdf) that are fixed in the source, is the pdf outdated?

Mochi101 because such things are detected & you get banned by the bot..

Bill48105, I was explaining to someone why there was a captcha.

ahh yeah figure most everything is covered as people dont take long to try thing

How would you cover an attack like that though?

tracking, reactions & alerts

Not sure, not without some complicated guesswork.

Unless you track someone's activity level.

well for one there's a reason faucet isn't allowed in pm

so they'd have to do it in a channel the bot has joined

So at least 'over a certain threshold of messages' in the channel.

the bot is only in channels i add it to

Bill48105, Like the spam bots that come here with registered nicks.

They could all do the faucet thing.

yes & i c ould stop them too if the bot had op ;)

they can do faucet but they'd have to answer the question

The logic in that is easy enough.

meh you're missing the point

you tell me you're not gonna notice if they tried here?

I would notice.

But your bot wouldn't automatically notice, would it?

[15:55:22] <Wallet> ALERT! Locked account access attempt: idonthaveacoolna@freenode

you dont think there is monitoring & alerting?

I don't know, that's what we're discussing.

I'm sure for the 0.01 bonus pot it's also not really worth it.

:D

lol

but hey, someone might be up for the challenge!

well obviously many things boil down to not being worth someone's time

easier to cheat it manually than code a bot to do it

it's partly why the amounts are kept low

What's the other part of the why the amounts are kept low?

i'm not a fond of discussing such things as some see it as a challenge to attempt

I see

but yeah figure it's balance of deterrence, detection & mitigation

it's like a loophole was created when i modded faucet to be nicer to people

before no user could run more than once per 24 hours. if they tried early they got 30 min extra added to timer

i made it so users could try earlier but get proportionally less

oh hey

the issue was by doing so if they got the answer wrong they could just retry right away

obviously that could be easily abused especially by automated attempts

did you see that when I did a .tip azy all that it went to the wrong person?

did you do whois on them..

wait wat

[09:01:55] -NickServ- Information on azy (account stev3):

.balance

azy: • Your balance is: 0.0001539 XMR (≈0.05 USD)

ooooh

;)

did i not get that?

ok, my bad

type .whois

you did get it stev3

nice

.whois azy

Bill48105: azy is nick/name azy with id/account stev3 on freenode & bot account stev3@freenode

so yes they're on a different nick

which gets resolved to their freenode account

Yeah, azy is a hacker

i probably should show both to be less confusing

but tip shows the final acct it resolved to

hello

hello

hello

hello

kkkkkkombo breaker

hello

hello

<Bill48105 "kkkkkkombo breaker"> Tf? Is this a matrix bridge to an irc bridged to matrix

what?

guessing you are on matrix

i'm on freenode here

and on matrix here

That's fucking confusing

pock suppet identified

the other people who said hello are all on freenode too except paul

Sup, pocket?

so yeah bridged users

hmm

There weren't enough Ps in that to be an anagram.

moneromooo: Do you know anything about Oxen (the cryptocurrency)?

I am about 90% sure it is the same as Loki. I know Loki is a Monero for and tewinget worked on it. I know it has something called service nodes, which are... maybe similar to masternodes, not quite sure. That's pretty much all I know.

It's Loki but renamed.

Just a rebranding. loki.network/2021/01/06/oxen-rebrand-rollout

can any reddit mod unlock this: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/mq6gb2…ic_haveno_meeting_will_be_wednesday ?

moneromooo: It is Loki. They renamed it.

moneromooo: The service nodes are basically onion routing nodes, apparently.

(for the Session protocol as well as for the cryptocurrency)

Mochi101: hi

I see your link.

ok

any idea why monerod is syncing super slow at the last 10%

yeah

Oh Mochi101's still around ? Haven't seen him for months...

meow

abcdefg_1rssi: The early stuff is easy, because there are checkpoints for block verification.

apparently he is

abcdefg_1rssi: The end requires your node to verify blocks the hard way.

ahhh

That's my understanding, anyway.

its saying like 1.7 days left to complete the last 7% lol

moneromooo: Did I get that explanation right?

abcdefg_1rssi: It seems to involve a lot of non-sequential writing to your storage device.

I think the checkpoints really do speed up the sync

Yes.

moneromooo: Cool. Thanks for the confirmation.

yeah

verification requires touching old blocks and new ones to conform things

hence the non-sequential reads you're seeing

there's probably also other factors like how busy the block chain has been recently, and later tx's referring more to earlier blocks?

marmulak: yes but that largely evens out, it's more like "more recent blocks have more txs than older ones" which means more verification time

those random reads and writes are murder

fluffypony could you unlock this if you have a sec? reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/mq6gb2…_haveno_meeting_will_be_wednesday/?

much worse than reckless endangerment

yeah more tx's as Monero gets more popular and people are rushing to buy crypto

ErCiccione: approved

I see it's in the "have no dev" channel

if you need a dev you should just ask

:-P

thanks

Use the just released 0.17.2.0 which has new checkpoints for faster syncing

😛 It's a meme already

lol

xmr price has gone up a lot

not today

the feeling when you know what to invest in but don't have the money

gil: just do 100x leverage, 0 risk involed i promise

<gil "the feeling when you know what t"> You can always put some money in. Start small

yeah I guess I could buy a small amount and follow trends for fun

shit

400% INCREASE! I'M A DOZENAIRE!

if you end the monerod process

mid sync

does it take forever to load back up

or did i just ruin everything

It does not.

Unless it's in the process of pruning a chain, in which case I think it borks, not sure.

But if syncing or just keeping up with the network, no problem.

it was downloading the blockchain

Looks like its stuck on loading blockchian from folder ...

unless that just takes a long time

which i guess would make sense

No. Could be DNS maybe.

Faith No More - Everything's Ruined

except apparently not

should i end the process and run it with any type of commands?

They should have rebranded with locrian

abcdefg_1rssi: you could gdb into the process and see what it's doing.

gdb /path/to/monerod `pidof monerod`

info threads

Or thread apply all bt

Likely sleeping in the interesting thread so thread apply all bt is better.

yea one sec let me see

i think the process is frozen

monerod exit doesnt even work rn

ok what am i looking at here moneromooo

lol

i did thread apply all bt

Paste the output on paste.debian.net or similar. Multiline, press enter to run through the pages.

moneromooo

.ysorno should I update my CLI today?

.yesorno should I update my CLI today?

YES

ok

Quotes is Enterprise Enabled

That is kinda unexpected. But that's only one thread. I doubt there's only one thread at this point.

!quote

Random quote (#1566): chron0: how much solar you got? | New_miner_kid: 8 hours

moneromooo sorry I had to dc for a bit did you say anything

oh nvm i see your response

I just connected via ssh back into the server and ran monerod again

and it seems to be working

not sure what happened

but status is working again

Is Tether pumping Monero?

Given the way it's fallen vs bitcoin over years... they wouldn't be good at it if they were.

>No, it isn't me doxing Seth on deepweb subreddits.

heh

reddit is as clearweb as it gets

Is Monero going to always trend to zero against Bitcoin?

lol tether pumping xmr?

Do you like asking questions noone in your audience knows the answer to ?

Monero has gone up a lot over the past few days freecosby.

<bitcointums[m] "Is Tether pumping Monero?"> Tether is a scam.

yes, i've noticed

<bitcointums[m] "Is Monero going to always trend "> We still do not know.

Are you sure Tether is a scam?

bitcointums: bitcoin is just used by zero knowledge speculators its price vs monero is irrelevant

Why would governments allow anything but a transparent blockchain to exist?

bitcointums: monero doesnt ask any government for permission to exist

Because they might still allow freedom. You never know.

<bitcointums[m] "Are you sure Tether is a scam?"> reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/d1i9jm/tether_is_a_scam

<bitcointums[m] "Are you sure Tether is a scam?"> You sound like a troll to me.

It's really unclear where we're gonna go. It's not been looking good in the lsat 20 years but at some point the pendulum's gotta swing back.

I'm not.

I think the reason why Monero can exist is the same as why strong crypto exists - genie is out of the bottle already

<bitcointums[m] "Why would governments allow anyt"> They do allow a transparent blockchain (BTC) to exist. It is because they can trace what went where, and potentially identify Bitcoin addresses with great ease.

I mean, the questions about this typically assume we're gonna get china as a world master soon (or china like authoritarianism), which is possible, but it certainly at one end of the spectrum.

Is Kraken the only reason Monero has value?

It's like people can't conceive anything else.

What happens when Kraken delists Monero?

are there any countries that have banned monero and not bitcoin?

why would kraken delist monero?

Which is kinda sad for them I guess, because the prison their thoughts live in is pretty small.

preemptive obedience

<bitcointums[m] "Is Kraken the only reason Monero"> CoinMarketCap lists the Monero price. I assume CMC is an exchange, too.

I believe Australia banned exchanges from listing Monero.

bitcointums: its not a certainty

Kraken ? What's this got to do with it ?

Oh wait, that's a bot isnt it.

nvm

<bitcointums[m] "I believe Australia banned excha"> so, they didn't ban monero

What will Monero do if governments decide that any Bitcoin that interacts with Monero atomic swaps gets the KYC'd user arrested?

are exchanges the only reason cryptocurrency has value? how ridiculous does that sound

Do you hodel Monero rupee?

<bitcointums[m] "I believe Australia banned excha"> Non-KYC exchanges will always save the day (localmonero, atomic swaps when they are launched to the mainnet, Cake Wallet's, etc.)

> <@bitcointums:matrix.org> I believe Australia banned exchanges from listing Monero.

* Non-KYC exchanges will always save the day (localmonero, atomic swaps when they are launched to the mainnet, Cake Wallet's, if it is non-KYC, etc.)

You don't get it, if you're not a bot. If noone pushes in the direction of freedom, we *will* end up less free faster. This is good for noone, even those who won't do anything.

<bitcointums[m] "What will Monero do if governmen"> nothing. what would you expect monero to do? it doesn't care what governments think

<bitcointums[m] "Do you hodel Monero rupee?"> What?

I'm not a bot moneromooo.

<bitcointums[m] "What will Monero do if governmen"> Nothing. It has no center.

I mean, I get it, it's easy to do nohting, and I'm not a suicidal hero either, but it's for *yourself* you push, as well as for others.

And people just missing that are just helping dig their own prison pit.

Kinda makes me sad at times to live in the middle of such despot lovers but hey. Got no choice in the matter.

bitcointums[m]: I hold rupee[m] do you?

Anyway, best go back to coding before I rant more :)

bitcointums[m]: do you hold monero?

bitcointums[m]: where do you live

I hold Bitcoin, Ethereum, Ripple and BNB.

.tip bitcointums 0.00001

rupee[m]: User 'bitcointums' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account

Brazil.

> Ripple

great holding 3 scams out of 4 coins

nioce: Ripple, Ripple and Ripple ?

(fair, I have no idea what BNB is)

a coin created by binance

You're missing out on the bull market.

bnb is centralized bullshit

Yeah, it's unfortunate, but hey.

i mean, if you want to worry about a coin not being listed on exchanges, Ripple is about the worst thing you can own

for binance users

<bitcointums[m]> I believe Australia banned exchanges from listing Monero. <= They didn't

Banking partner(s) forced exchanges to delist Monero

bitcointums: atomic swaps just look like a regular bitcoin tx on the bitcoin side

I have never missed a meal in my life so money is not my motivating factor

Ripple will win the lawsuit and be relisted probably causing it to 5x, rupee.

They couldnt tell

Gah. Must... not...get... back... on.. IRC...

<bitcointums[m] "Ripple will win the lawsuit and "> ok

btw there is #monero-markets where price and trading is discussed

not so much this channel

I'll go discuss the shitcoin there nioc, thanks.

np

<bitcointums[m] "Ripple will win the lawsuit and "> Trill.

> <@bitcointums:matrix.org> Ripple will win the lawsuit and be relisted probably causing it to 5x, rupee.

* Troll.

<bitcointums[m] "Ripple will win the lawsuit and "> Also, the one in a lawsuit was Tether, no?

different lawsuit. tether one/settled theirs

ripple is facing a damning lawsuit

<bitcointums[m] "I'll go discuss the shitcoin the"> "the shitcoin", did the motherfucker just call Monero a shitcoin?

i think they mean ripple

<rupee[m] "ripple is facing a damning lawsu"> Oh boy. Is there any other crypto lawsuit going on?

No, Monero. It kinda is if its only adoption is speculation and darknet market drug purchases. Why would a government allow their citizens to transact with Monero IRL? I certainly wouldn't want to risk jail time.

<jj1013[m] "Trill."> Told you.

I'm not trolling.

<bitcointums[m] "No, Monero. It kinda is if its o"> Monero is supposed to give privacy to the user, and nobody has been jailed for using Monero yet AFAIK.

I think xmr is the best anonymous coin, however it doesn't mean the darknet will choose it as their first choice.

Isn't Tor broken because the five eye governments can do traffic correlation?

<FasXmut[m] "I think xmr is the best anonymou"> That does not mean we should go around using such stupidity as Dash, Zcash or Firo.

<bitcointums[m] "Isn't Tor broken because the fiv"> HTTPS will help.

bitcointums: there are already mitigations in place for that

What mitigations?

Google.com

<bitcointums[m] "Isn't Tor broken because the fiv"> And attempt to use the Tor Browser only in order to not stand out as a dude using Brave with Tor (Brave is not safe either).

im interested in said mitigations too. not googling tho

<azy "im interested in said mitigation"> You could duck it (duckduckgo.com)

<jj1013[m] "You could duck it (duckduckgo.co"> That is what I always do.

id rather be conveniently told

I don't see how there can be mitigations for watching bytes go into the entry node and the same or similar number of bytes going out into the exit node. It's well within reason to assume the major governments have colluded to monitor Tor traffic.

tor is not safe anymore?

oh

i see

usernetinternet[: Not true. They will under Taproot; they don't currently.

Using onion domains such as 3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion (DuckDuckGo) helps.

For atomic swaps looking like normal TXs under Bitcoin.

<bitcointums[m] "I don't see how there can be mit"> > HTTPS

kayabaNerve: thanks for correction, i have not been following bitcoin for ages

usernetinternet: What do you hodl?

> <@bitcointums:matrix.org> I don't see how there can be mitigations for watching bytes go into the entry node and the same or similar number of bytes going out into the exit node. It's well within reason to assume the major governments have colluded to monitor Tor traffic.

* Rogue exit node: Let's see what is this guy doing.

HTTPS: _go brrrrrr_

99.9999% monero and some btc cash dust i use to write messages into the blockchain

<bitcointums[m] "usernetinternet: What do you hod"> So you just buy and sell it for fiat?

bch? o_0

jj1013.: Yeah, except for NFT's on ETH since I think artwork may have more value over the long term imo.

<usernetinternet[ "99.9999% monero and some btc cas"> > write messages into the blockchain

I have my monero seedprhase written in an encrypted form in a bitcoin cash trasaction

send me the link :p

I just need to look at the transaction and then i decrypt it and i have my seedphrase

Solves the issue of storing the seedphrase lol

I just need to have a transaction bookmarked on a block explorer

usernetinternet: What if you die?

<usernetinternet[ "I have my monero seedprhase writ"> ... couldn't you just write the 15-word seed on a paper?

Then my lost monero would increase the value of everyone elses

jj1013.: people i live with are knowledgeable about seedphrases and i dont trust them

bitcointums[m]: just live stream to the nsa, it's what I do

usernetinternet: Do you think Monero will make you rich?

<usernetinternet[ "jj1013.: people i live with are "> Oh... just your luck, I guess.

<bitcointums[m] "usernetinternet: Do you think Mo"> So that is why you are interested in P&D coins. Normie.

But will it make you rich? It doesn't have to be a pump and dump.

If you write your seedphrase on a blockchain it solves the issue with having to store your seedphrase

As long as you can encrypt it

I just don't want to be stuck holding a bag when quantum breaks everything in 10 years.

as far as i know there are already quantum proof crypto schemes

Then ditch all your coins for a quantum resistant coin lol

Why do you want to hold Monero when you know it will eventually break?

we know it's not breaking now

bitcointums: you realize this applies to every other coin too?

so now is a good time to hold it

when the breaking comes closer, maybe then it's not anymore

It's effectively a pump and dump if it breaks with quantum in the next 10 years, is it not?

monero is also a highly political thing, and it's not like human beings to 'wait their politics out until a better technology arrives'

Yes, that's why I don't get it.

<bitcointums[m] "But will it make you rich? It do"> Will Nano make me rich?

Lost some of it between a Banano and Nano, so had to dump.

* Lost some of it between Banano and Nano, so had to dump.

bitcointums: there is quantum resistant cryptography, it can be updated

well it might be difficult to update actually

Wouldn't people need to migrate their coins to quantum proof addresses?

there's nothing to say that the current key format will work with that of the chosen scheme

and not even that it's possible to convert

besides, if everything in the 'old' chain can be broken, claimed ownership of those coins becomes worthless so you'd have to start over anyway

So Monero probably isn't the future of money, got it.

probably not the very far future

but the near and medium-term future, possibly

If you are afraid of quantum computers ditch your bank accounts too

and AES will at least keep working when quantum comes 'round, so there's that

Bank accounts are just text files with a trusted custodian managing them, I'm not too worried about that breaking.

There are many ways quantum computing affects banking, its much more than just text files

It's still probably better than Monero with experimental cryptography, right?

pixelized: How long is the medium term future?

Nope, in ur hypothetical situation, they are both fucked

<bitcointums[m] "pixelized: How long is the mediu"> 10-20 years

what name servers do you guys use

pixelized: Do you hodl Monero?

i have some

and i'm sticking to it for now

bitcointums: what do you hodl?

but i'm not in a very financially stable position so getting out is not something i'd absolutely never do

usernetinternet: Bitcoin, Ripple, Ethereum and BNB.

Didn't Fluffypony make yat which is a shitcoin?

Yat isnt a coin

fluffy *made* yat?

bitcointums[m]: do you have anything positive to say about monero?

Yes. It's currently the only privacy coin that works well.

From what people have said here, it doesn't seem like it's worth hodling.

bitcointums: why not?

The threat of quantum computing, its price relative to Bitcoin, lack of a proper path to adoption (I don't see it moving outside of darknet markets), and the threat of onramps being more limited.

It is actually picking up some attention on YouTube it seems. I think plenty of people will start coming in not caring about the project and just trying to turn a profit (which is totally fine, that's how currencies already work!) I have been trying to accumulate a little bit here and there, but I am really looking for ways to spend it

The arguments you used to say Monero isn't worth hodling, can equally be used to say anything else isn't worth hodling. Your quantum apocalypse scenario would break everything about the modern world, not just Monero.

So sure, in a quantom apocalypse Monero is doomed... But in that scenario the only thing I want to be hodling is water and ammo

I am still thinking about how to get local businesses to start accepting it. I want to start tipping people in XMR on paper wallets

Until then, Monero does well

bitcointums: threat of quantum computing applies to all cryptos, bitcoins price is entirely speculation by moonboys and boomers, and its transaction count is growing organically

WHM the biggest darknet market was offline for a day or so and tx counnt on monero only fell by a bit proving that its not only used for drugs

usernetinternet: Do you not believe that Bitcoin is an adequate store of value to hedge against inflation?

Because a cryptocurrency is backed by nothing its value is entirely derived from its function as a medium of exchange, bitcoin has no function due to its slow 7tps

The only argument for bitcoin is line go up

Quantum resistance is the new Y2K scare

quantum computing affects everything

I have never used a DNM

why would I use btc and have veryone know my business

*everyone

Honestly bitcoin will probably remain number 1 but eventually it will be eclipsed by something better (probably ethereum)

Once bitcoin loses its mythical status of #1 it will have to provide value from its function (exchange)

Obviously it cant so it will be a the biggedt rugpull of all time

* Honestly bitcoin will probably remain number 1 but eventually it will be eclipsed by something better (probably ethereum)

Once bitcoin loses its mythical status of #1 it will have to provide value from its function (exchange)

Obviously it cant so it will be a the biggest rugpull of all time

You might be right but I don't think Bitcoin is losing its #1 status for a very long time.

At least not until tomorrow.

yeah it doesn't help that to millions of people 'cryptocurrency' and 'bitcoin' are the exact same thing

.balance

TheFireSwamp: • Your balance is: 0.00029156 XMR (≈0.1 USD)

I just found out there's a Monero mining worm going around, targeting Windows and Linux machines.

I think i got it

much more profitable than a BTC mining worm, probably

pixelized: I have faith that the avg person will have greater knowledge eventually

that's probably true, but the lack of it currently is part of bitcoin's momentum

also

apotheon, you're quite likeable

Am I?

This is how i like to imagine it will go

pixelized[m]: Thanks, I think. What prompted that?

i don't know if you are but you've appeared likeable to me

ah

Well, thanks.

it's obviously not objective, but in my subjective reality, it's objectively true :P

I think many people might disagree with you, but it's nice to be told I'm likable.

nothing really prompted this, we've just talked like, twice or thrice and i've seen you around here

thought: you know what, gonna just tell the guy he seems a-ok

That's cool.

I like you so far, too.

apotheon: ye you aight bruv

what's this worm

I don't know much in the way of details. I just heard a report on it in the middle of some other reports on privacy and security news.

I guess you'd have to look up the info via a search engine (I like DuckDuckGo, but your mileage may vary). I don't even run Linux or Windows. I just found the Monero connection interesting.

are you bad ass bsd

or lame as os x

* or lame ass os x

from last year

> A newly discovered and self-spreading Golang-based malware has been actively dropping XMRig cryptocurrency miners on Windows and Linux servers since early December.

> The worm spreads to other computers by scanning for and brute-forcing MySql, Tomcat, and Jenkins services using password spraying and a list of hardcoded credentials.

.val xmr

abcdefg_1rssi: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈329.18 • ccc/HuobiPro: ≈$328.13 24HΔ: 3.24% Vol: 375.6K [0m] • cmc: ≈$330.23 24HΔ: 3.27% 7DΔ: 20.37998% [< 1m]

bitcointums[m]: Yat isn't a token, it doesn't have a token, nor will it ever have a token

lord_fomo: wonder if they are solomining or not

I don't use MacOS, either.

I'm actually pushing bits through a network cable with a magnetic needle.

Well, technically I'm running OpenBSD, but . . . close enough.

I definitely don't use MySQL, Tomcat, or Jenkins these days.

I've had to use two of them at previous employers, though.

!quote add <apotheon> I'm actually pushing bits through a network cable with a magnetic needle.

Quote #1849 added, Mochi101

<apotheon "Well, technically I'm running Op"> i said that

<lord_fomo[m] "are you bad ass bsd"> dis

lord_fomo[m]: I was just being specific.

in case people didn't realize OpenBSD is the Bad Ass BSD.

s/^/. . . /

now they know

'cause sentence fragment

Oh, damn, I let the secret out.

OpenBSD is the most conservative BSD. which also makes it the most primitive.

I think hyc doesn't think I'm as cool as some others think.

It's funny how someone's saying neophilic things like that on IRC, though.

Yeah. Especially in #monero, which must be at least 40 years old or so.

totally

how does the worm go from bruteforcing a mysql server to dropping and executing a binary?

good question

i think a lot of these malware fuds are old linux

pre-signed modules and whatnot

why peeps are still running that shit is beyond me

related: youtube.com/watch?v=nNBktKw9Is4

^ Hardware Wallet Hack: Ledger Nano S - f00dbabe (liveoverflow going through f00dbabe)

german pwning hw

cue vidz

utxobr: lol of course it's pwning the bootloader

literally below that is where all tinfoilz should be worn

<apotheon "Well, technically I'm running Op"> A secure desktop OS = Qubes OS.

<bitcointums[m] "Bank accounts are just text file"> Fiat normie.

jj1013[m]: I'm more interested in the quality of verification that the code isn't compromised at this point than in the security features of the system, generally. Specific security features that are necessary for specific purposes have their place for those purposes, though, and when what I need for a particular use case is not in my favorite general-purpose OS I'll use the other thing, as

necessary.

I don't really enjoy the "my security is bigger than yours" game. I make pragmatic choices based on the circumstances.

<apotheon "jj1013.: I'm more interested in "> Then you should verify the OS installation image with checksum/GPG.

That having been said, OpenBSD offers a lot of security-oriented design choices and functionality that aren't generally recognized.

There's more to it than that.

Checksums ensure you got the right thing. They don't make up for code reviews, reduced attack surfaces, simpler designs where the complexity isn't needed, and so on.

. . . but yeah, making sure you got the right thing is important, too.

<apotheon "That having been said, OpenBSD o"> madaidans-insecurities.github.io/openbsd.html

Interestingly, more and more systems are adopting OpenBSD's signify tool for verifying your download isn't compromised.

Oh, that again.

I've seen that "my checklist is bigger than your checklist" source before.

Fisking it is tedious, though, so I'll just leave it at that for now.

what's the approx chain size again right now?

sad truth is marketing matters to the masses

nah

the masses respond better to fomo

you gotta show them what they're missing

then they arrive in droves

FOMO is just a marketing strategy.

apotheon: do you have a source/link for the xmr worm?

i already sent what it probably was

so, who maintains the gui wallet?

cuz it's a bit, big on hidpi

i had never used the gui before

lord_fomo[m]: check out the github i guess

yah

was just curious if author was here

i know there's qt flags for this stuff

so can probably try that before i start flingin issues

shouldnt the gui appear small by default on hidpi?

the "simple wallet" in the gui, that copies the ledger or nah?

well i mean any gui

i always had problems with stuff appearing too small and had to scale it up

the setup wizard was making it out like it wasn't?

maybe i misread that

<louipc "i always had problems with stuff"> huh

you on lowdpi aka HD?

The GUI wallet is too bloated for me. Have you tried the Feather wallet?

hidpi

huh

maybe i have some scaling shit going on then

oh, i also don't run a compositor

just a tiling wm

so might be that too

<jj1013[m] "The GUI wallet is too bloated fo"> have not

i've used the cli previous

lord_fomo[m]: which OS?

which is fine for me

but onboarding others isn't so great with that 😂

selsta: linux

We use Qt 5.15 which supports automatic high dpi support in theory. It works for me in Ubuntu.

yeah

its not arch. would have told us.

You might have to set QT_SCALE_FACTOR if it does not have the correct size for you.

so likely the same problem i've had

it doesn't seem to work outside traditional DEs

<kinghat[m] "its not arch. would have told us"> Eh heh heh...

i'm a Qt user meeself

<jj1013[m] "Eh heh heh..."> that's why i dint

i know y'allz hipster racist