no idea what that means

means i gotcha

you lose

<lord_fomo[m] "it doesn't seem to work outside "> I think I once ran it on evilWM, but it was a full Debian installation (KDE) and I think KDE was not running.

and yes, of course i'm on arch

i mean it's not terrible, but def too big

The problem is... I did not get too far on MGUIW, because it always hanged on me every time it tried to sync.

hmm yeah i'm waiting on sync

so we'll see

jj1013[m]: but that might not be a GUI issue but a daemon issue

<selsta "jj1013.: but that might not be a"> It always stays on "Syncing Daemon" for me. What do you think it is?

link me to feather

it on GH?

you can also Monero GUI with a remote node like Feather

lord_fomo[m]: featherwallet.org

<jj1013[m] "It always stays on "Syncing Daem"> i'm past htis

jj1013[m]: difficult to say remotely. You can go to Settings -> Log, type "status" and post the output here, that might tell what is going on

<selsta "lord_fomo: featherwallet.org"> Feather is what I use for my wallet. It seems stable enough for it to be still in beta version, so I do not mind.

but if you use feather already not necessary

where da codez

git.featherwallet.org

featherwallet is best wallet

It also has its own subreddit, though it is inactive since people use the official Monero subreddits instead.

It makes different design decisions.

git.featherwallet.org/feather/feather yah?

yes

what is this a github clone?

pretty snappy af

gitea is quite nice

* It also has its own subreddit, though it is inactive since people use the official Monero subreddits instead.

yah

gonna have to do this eventually

fo shiat ma clan is workin on

feather is the best gui client

ahh there's a `settings.ini`

for std gui wallet

oh wait nm

settings.ini is not meant to be edited manually

this just looks like reg config

yah

lol yeah it's pretty minimal

.val xmr

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TheFireSwamp: Sorry, no, I don't. It was just a side-mention of something in some podcasty news thing, so I didn't get details. Someone else in the channel found some reference to it first being discovered in December, though, I guess.

TheFireSwamp: regarding your question about links for the XMR thing

in the gui wallet can you delete accounts?

no, also not possible in CLI

you can delete your wallet cache and it will delete them

apothen: Thanks

apotheon: Thanks

i don't think i even knew you could do that 😂

accounts

wait is account just a new address?

i dont think its recommended to delete addresses

How are wallets registered so the same wallet isn't generated twice?

TheFireSwamp: thru probability

so it will happen

so weird

in the gui there's 2 "accounts"

but only see one address (as expected) in cli

with a strong pseudo random number generator and cryptography

yes its possible

<selsta "you can delete your wallet cache"> where is this?

lord_fomo[m]: type help account in CLI

or help accounts

but the statistics are like it will happen less often than life in the universe or something

you just mean the wallet dir?

oh weird

its possible but very highly unlikely

there it is

never used that before

until quantum computers i guess :D

this explains accounts

multiple accounts

thaks

sweet thanks

so if you want to wipe an account you can't?

restore your wallet from seed or delete wallet cache

wallet cache is the file called `wallet`

don't delete `wallet.keys`, that's the keys file

oh apparently a sha1 collision was calculated with 6610 years of processor time

ahh

ok so the file `<wallet-name>` is the cache

and if you wipe it it'll remove accounts?

yes, unless you have funds inside the account

but that will or will not wipe any balance associated with keys?

then it will regenerate the account

but everyone should be using stronger hashes by now

gotcha

huh seems like it's just recreated

ok will do some reading

thanks for da tips selsta

should not recreate unless you have funds inside it

well it is

i was just messing with a test wallet from the gui

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Did you know that all witdraw-buyer-seller-depoist chains are trackable in Monero? No? You should have read Breaking Monero. How many people are you endangering with your 'privacy' coin?

ahh interesting so accounts are basically just like -sub-address group labels?

* ahh interesting so accounts are basically just like sub-address group labels?

for human-org purposes?

each account has its own balance and history

right but that's just a summary of the sub-addresses?

yes

subaddresses have two indices, account and address index

ah

(0, 0) is base address

so you can join on the account field as it were

lord_fomo: took up around 120-160gb of storage

freecoupo: >a.aliexpress

<freecoupo "a.aliexpress.com/_m0XtOX"> it is spam though

Quick basic questions. A cold wallet still remains a cold wallet if the owner uses the private view key to view inbound transactions correct? Are there any downsides to this approach other than a malicious node misrepresenting transactions or spying on activity? A hot wallet is just determined if the wallet has ever or is connected to a monero node by using the private spend key or mnemonic seed correct?

basically, yes

i would say that a cold wallet is any wallet for which the private spend key and mnemonic seed have never been on a network-connected computer

you can, of course, use the online view-only wallet with your own node, in which case there are no downsides. the risks of using someone else's node are orthogonal to whether or not you're using a cold wallet

Gotcha, yeah agreed to a network connected computer in general. Two unrelated questions, wasn't trying to correlate the two unwittingly. Thanks ndorf

Does anyone see a future where Monero overtaking Ripple in market cap?

<walletapps[m] "Does anyone see a future where M"> No way. Ripple is such a great coin. Monero is what criminals and terrorists use

Get with the times

the end of times

hello

holy shit

30+ hours of syncing

97.4%

kill me

i also snagged the monero.gd domain :^)

hdd?

Probably wouldn't be that fast

SSD should take less than 12h

Also the just released 0.17.2.0 has updated checkpoints for faster syncing

Yes and hdd should be slower

yep new checkpoints are best checkpoints

its not a hdd

i mean it might be idk

cockbox

v0.17.2.0 ?

sshd

whatever that shit is

yea

v0.17.2.0 made sure to get that

the first 80% was fast

last 20% has taken like over 25 hours

it's not a real ssd

sshd = SSD Cached

ah

so thats why?

yep

any idea why i cant cd into /var/lib/tor

permission denied

Try with sudo su if you know what you are doing

i do not

i think i found shit on google to help

ty tho

abcdefg_irssi: yeah an sshd is often a "spinning rust" hard disk with like 8GB of SSD cache. Helpful in some scenarios over a pure HDD - but not so much for Monero which must do random lookups of older transaction outputs

有中国人在吗？

在Telegram上尝试@MoneroCN

o_0

Wtf, lolibros we got too cocky

tf?

There are multiple psychological hooks to keep Monero community members in place. Here is one:

Notice that Scientologists don't stand on street corners saying "Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Xenu?"

Put yourself instead in the shoes of someone who spent $10,000 and 2-3 years of their life on their courses

And you get a bunch of bad sci-fi - you have two choices:

wydgwgxlmt left us hanging... What choices...

We'll never know :(

i have a transaction that is visible on xmrcain.net, but not on localmonero.co

what could be the reason?

localmonero.co hasnt detected/shown it

how long does this take? i sent it ~48 hours ago

contact their support

This is because their blockexplorer has freezed so that's why azy

what even is a plan b?

Contact them on reddit

.balance

TheFireSwamp: • Your balance is: 0.00016056 XMR (≈0.05 USD)

.balance

Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.00001 XMR (≈0 USD)

.faucet

Mo​chi101: How many digits is ​1479

4

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.faucet

I​nge-: Of 5 or 2, whi​ch is 5

5

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.balance

Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000107 XMR (≈0 USD)

.faucet

sech1: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

:(

so sad

.bal

sech1: 0.00489065 XMR (≈$1.59)

.bal

Inge-: 0.0051493 XMR (≈$1.67)

You guys are RICH AF!

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i need suggestion on how to scale wallet-rpc

i make a lot of calls at same time to wallet-rpc to the point where it stop responding / delay response

but wallet-rpc locks the wallet so can't run more of them on same wallet right?

don't make your calls so fast

what kind of requests? just to get the current value?

bundle your transactions

mostly getbalance

lol

but it's system widely used

and audit must be performed often

how often?

10-20 seconds

then make a single

will easily handle that

something else is going on

but it's over 1000 calls each 10 seconds

oh

wtf... why?

and I can't limit on users

You should explain this better.

can't you cache it?

so your users call a cached balance... every 15 seconds it's updated

it must be current and accurate, due to nature of deposits/withdrawals

otherwise audit makes no sense

... what're you doing that needs this kind of accuracy?

i asked for help

not for investigation if you don't mind

:)

ieatglueinthegulag: 😬

But you're asking for the impossible... so I'm trying to figure out how you can adapt what you're doing to the limitations of your tools.

MoneroLover, I could also just say, "no impossible"

if you need a 0.01 second granularity then it sounds like your trying to do high frequency trading

would it be a problem to run wallet-rpc on same wallet but different filename?

I've never even tried that.

i think that was recommended here a few days ago

all instances should then get the same informations and see all transactions because they have all the keys

if your application calls getbalance 109 times per second there is something wrong with the application

:)

^^^

That's not what he wants to hear selsta

Please don't investigate.

Are you two working for FinCEN or Treasury department?

first you say not possible and now it's possible

you guys remind me of this reddit fake bots

Whatever buddy, you're the one here asking for help.

doesn't mean you have to be too much curious

isn't monero about privacy?

the fuck

Can't answer a question without knowing what the problem is.

Do you think that you are too intelligent to be in a cult? Then I would encourage you to look into how any other cult works. They aren't populated by stupid people. Aum Shinrikyo was almost exclusively university professors and graduates. For Pete's sake - they had the know-how and means to make WMDs.

As to Monero, I would encourage you to look at Jonestown mass-suicide. You know why Jones killed them all? Because he was afraid he is loosing control over them. People like that will burn everything around them rather than give up control. Being smart doesn't make you immune to being in a cult. This is the most valuable lesson Monero taught me.

MoneroLover you probably need to call getmonero.org/resources/developer-g…/wallet-rpc.html#incoming_transfers

instead of calling get_balance for every subaddress

tnx for suggestion, will come handy actually forgot about it

<usernetinternet[ "ieatglueinthegulag: 😬"> ?

sech1: could Mochi101 perhaps leverage `"tx-notify" , "Run a program for each new incoming transaction, '%s' will be replaced by the transaction hash" `? (i'm not familiar with it)

although I'd guess if it's an actual fork & exec under the hood, that'd be expensive for what they're trying

Didn't sound to me like he was doing incoming payments... get_balance he said.

With so little information...

get_balance only changes wit incoming payments. Assuming that he know when he spends :D

sech1, the way I understood it was that all his users would want to see the balance of the wallet.

An audit.

What is everyone heres opinion about moneros blocktime?

it's ok?

It seems to be just fine - but it might become an issue in the future if block sizes increase a lot

Inge-: in what way?

bigger blocks = more to verify, more to propagate = increases chances of orphan blocks

Monero used to have 1 minute blocktime, but increased it to 2 - AFAIK to reduce orphan rate

Network speeds will continue to increase along with blocksize

This is a non-issue

To paraphrase articmine the 1MB bitcoin block in 2009 is equivalent to 55MB today

it's pretty crazy that one can now get 1GiB up and down for CAD $50 in toronto

w/ no extra fees

I stand by my statement

.shrug

What about people who aren't in major metropolitan areas with the latest infrastructure though?

That is a very important consideration, however i think that there should be an assumed rate of improvement (which can be debated) of bandwith and power and the network shouldnt have to gimp itself to accomodate those running on a pi for example

* That is a very important consideration, however i think that there should be an assumed rate of improvement (which can be debated) of bandwith and power so the network shouldnt have to gimp itself to accomodate those running on a pi for example

I don't think you can confidently claim that an explosive growth in usage and the subsequent growth rate could not in some scenarios lead to an increased orphan rate with the current block time.

growth rate of block sized*

You are right, its just that i am just ultra paranoid of monero ending up like btc

you mean it beeing worth >60k$? :D

hehehe

charolastra_: i wish😂, at 60k probably a lot of people in here would be spening a lot more time on yachts

I just meant the unwillingness of btc to adapt to the demand on the network

* charolastra_: i wish😂, at 60k probably a lot of people in here would be spening a lot more time on yachts

I just meant the unwillingness of btc to adapt to the demand on the network

I really believe that monero will be adopted on a large scale in the future

i love monero and was thinking monero is top #1

but then reconsidered and it should be just as equal as bitcoin

1 - 1

as privacy is important

transparency is also important

30k usd each

usernetinternet[: i know i would :D

i think the fear is unfounded as long as not the whole dev team is hired by an investment company which is controlled by the big banks

Lol pic related

usernetinternet[: There is a natural progression to less flexibility to change as a network grows in size/value and ages ...

charolastra_: i have faith monero devs wont sell out, after all a lot are anon

However, there is also an understanding in the Monero community that the fight for privacy might not actually end - so there is likely more allowance for hardforks from time to time to fight for better privacy

Inge-: that is what i fear

An interesting balance to make in the future, for sure

usernetinternet[: exactly. and they better stay that way or they end up like the TrueCrypt guy

so far, the community, devs, core, researchers, miners have found overwhelming support for the chosen path

What happened with the truecrypt guy?

someone payed him a visit and after that he stopped the project

fill in the blanks

MoneroLover: transparent ledgers are fun for writing messges on😋

Hi, I'm looking for you. tekeho.page.link/VA8FvTMqjywmJ5NYA

Why does the Saviour of NASA take a group achievement award and present it as a proof of individual glory? twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683

Why are people like alex gladstein so blind to bitcoins privacy issues

greed

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair

But it's easy! youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w

rupee: line go up

Quotes how i felt trying to understand monero with a bio background

* rupee: line go up

Quotes how i felt trying to understand monero with a bio background

* rupee: line go up

Quotes: how i felt trying to understand monero with a bio background

Is ETH a shitcoin?

i say no

but not converting some of your token gains to monero is pretty shitty!

:p

:thonkang:

contrast that with twitter.com/zndtoshi/status/1382311388618633222

please, nitter

Ethereum is just a platform. Platforms are usually not shit in and of themselves. (There are exceptions, e.g. Windows.)

ethereum is only good because it has link and pnk

Inge-: what a disgusting man

charolastra: what? the truecrypt guy was the one paying people visits

wait what?

he did get arrested, yes

but for murdering like a dozen people

and got like a decade or two

he got 25 years, for murdering seven people and various other crimes

hey

moenrod status getting stuck

only showing version

nvm

ssh lag or something

99.6% sync

uptime 23h lol

going on day 3

moen-rod, that's a new one

lol typo

monerod

how about monEURo

Inge-: this guy looks like the sterotypical greedy banker from political cartoons

moe~nero

Its obvious that they will just rip off some blockchain and centralize it and add the ability to freeze and steal peoples funds

Probably wont even give the seedphrase too lol

then they won't need a blockchain

yanmaani: the first speculation here: arstechnica.com/information-technol…ackdoor-hack-hoax-none-of-the-above

wasn't talking about Paul Le Roux

<hatchingeggs[m] "Is ETH a shitcoin?"> No, but it is not good either.

ETH is centralized IMO.

<TrooperZ> does the creator of xmrig talk in this sevrer

<usernetinternet[ "> <@jj1013.:privacytools.io> No,"> IIRC, I read that Ethereum has a central server where all of the nodes are listed. Is that FUD?

> <@usernetinternet:matrix.org> There are 6k+ eth nodes, probably like 3k on monero

* IIRC, I read that Ethereum has a central server where all of the nodes are listed ─ something like Electrum, which means the nodes do not work without the central server. Is that FUD?

19:25 < isitgay[m]> ETH is centralized IMO.

How so?

I'm curious about this statement.

Does a node have to be centrally listed? That seems odd.

. . . or do they just get centrally listed somehow by detecting their traffic on the network, or what?

jj1013.: they probably mean that there is lots of eth nodes on AWS

<usernetinternet[ "jj1013.: they probably mean that"> > AWS

ETH nodes are soo long to Sync, have tried many times in the past so that reduce the number of people that can run a node

fluffypony, have you seen this? coinpower.nl/product/2703500/coinpower-monero-crypto-watch

ugliest thing ive ever seen

I wonder where they get them done.

full stop implies u know its shina

It's a novelty item.

What he hell is that smart contract thing about?

I'm not sure why you need a smart contract to buy a watch.

I'd much rather have a roll of these: goldeneaglecoin.com/item/1-oz-silve…ryptocurrency-monero-round-999-fine

Was anybody able to get some of these? They've been out of stock for ages.

It doesn't even seem to say anything about whether it's hand-wound, battery-powered, or what.

Did I skim the wrong part?

I don't know anything about this watch other than how it looks and what it costs, basically.

Mochi101: I just get 1oz Krugerrands.

also lead and brass

How many?

best metals

Mochi101: as many as I feel like buying at any given time

uhu

I'll probably buy two or three soon, if/when the USD price of XAU dips below 1700.

Why not buy something more pure?

Like a Maple Leaf

or a Britannia

I don't care about the "purity" as much as I do about the actual gold content total, and I don't care about the branding as much as I care about not paying a numismatic premium.

devbordecraft ⚡🤘🚀👀: eth chain 700gb

If it's a micron bigger because it's one full ounce of gold with slightly more mixed material to ensure durability, that's a win in my book.

Given a long enough time scale, all non-self-replicating manufactured things become rare, anyway.

That's why. Your priorities may vary.

It's time for a nice walk. Ta.

apotheon, which country are you in?

US

Maple Leafs should be the cheapest for you then.

but you do care about the quality. because when it's tainted it means your buyer will have to do extra work to purify it

Unless you want random year... Maple Leafs

Random year or pre-sales

Personally, I just care that it's gold.

So cheapest per ounce.

can i copy over the blockchain from my laptop to a server to make the sync faster?

like over ftp or osme shit idk

any other way

to make it go faster in the future

Yes. The chain is compatible with any platform that has the same endianness.

apotheon: cheapest should be buying at auction or similar

Mochi101: personally i just stack enriched uranium

<usernetinternet[ "jj1013.: they probably mean that"> Yes, that is exactly what he means. Majority of the Ethereum nodes live on AWS, that is why people call ETH centralized. But I think that is not an excuse. I will try to fetch some more facts.

<jj1013[m] "Yes, that is exactly what he mea"> Staking providers are multicloud, so they don't get slashed.

So they're on AWS, google, & azure mostly

.balance

fibonacci: • Your balance is: 0.00004 XMR (≈0.01 USD)

.tip anon_udxf6fdz[m] all

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<fibonacci ".tip anon_udxf6fdz all"> How do I register for the tipbot?

.tipbot

.tip register

jj1013[m]: Access denied for tip. Are you logged in?

.tip do something

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.faucet

ch​arolastra: How many were Three Little Pigs without e​yes

charolastra: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)

who the fuck knows

1.5

.faucet

jj1013[m]: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

.register

jj1013[m]: /msg NickServ help - freenode.net/kb/answer/registration - WARNING! DO NOT ISSUE /msg COMMANDS IN CHANNEL! You risk exposing email/pass to everyone..

What should Matrix users do?

register on freenode i guess

20:37 < charolastra> but you do care about the quality. because when it's tainted it means your buyer will have to do extra work to purify it

I don't think that's a big issue. Mostly, people want reasonable guarantees it's really gold, and not the ability to turn it into lightbulb filament.

Mochi101: On that apmex page, I see Krugerrands being cheapest.

(that and kangaroos)

but how do you guarantee the quality? right now it's done by having it minted by big corporations/banks

yanmaani: I don't see a lot of auctions here.

charolastra: I also didn't say I don't care about quality. I don't care about a minute difference in purity, especially when the specific metals used to ensure durability are easier to separate than other metals used in smaller quantities.

charolastra: Krugerrands are widely known to be of reliable minting.

true, i thought you were talking about juwelry quality gold

apotheon, pre-sale and random year yeah

charolastra: I'm talking about savings.

Mochi101: I don't care about the year as long as the same minting process is used. I care about the gold, not the numismatic premiums attached to a given year or brand.

In fact, I guess I *do* care about the numismatic premiums, because I prefer to *avoid* such premiums. It's just added volatility for something I'm buying for lack of volatility.

Bullion bars are nice, too.

There's something satisfying about a coin, but I find that bullion bars and Krugerrands tend to float around the same lower-than-pretty-much-everything-else price point.

I have a few collectables... a $5 Indian Head from 1909

don't you pay a hefty premium for minted coins in general?

10 Mark from 1903

10 Ruble from 1899

Mochi101: i have some collectables, they are bch utxos, very unique and non-fungiable!

charolastra, usually a mint mark is a guarantee of purity. So you don't really have to get is assayed.

charolastra: It depends, but Krugerrands and bullion bars tend to be about the same, at least in my area.

Jewelry can be way off, since they're just mixing up metals in a little crucible with a torch.

charolastra: One normally pays more for a bullion bar from something reputable, too.

From a provider that is not reputatble, you also pay a premium, because you might be paying gold prices for tungsten.

Chyna!

<jj1013[m] "What should Matrix users do?"> Don't tip me. Go post on gemmit :) it needs users

Then tip other users

<anon_udxf6fdz[m] "reddit.com/r/Monero"> hoo boy.

I hope their privacy policy is OK.

Tor friendly, you can look at the code, ip addresses are not logged

Your address is hosted by you

ha - interesting seeing kevin coming up with some questions about the fungibility of btc: youtube.com/watch?v=KpS_McVLxvs

^ On Coinbase & Crypto w/ The CEO of BIGG Digital (Crypto Firm) - they essentially run the Canadian Netcoins and a chainanalysis firm

he's so proud of how well he can track bitcoin

<CCosta[m] "ha - interesting seeing kevin co"> hillarious to think this is a "product"

reported another round of github spammers...

omg this guy on the left is so tooly

it's hard to watch

lord_fomo: let me guess, line go up?

apotheon: you can verify trivilly

lol just, the face

the manurisms

i dunno

i can't take it

<CCosta[m] "^ On Coinbase & Crypto w/ The CE"> I have seen so many of these interviews and it still never ceases to amaze me how people can pontificate about infringing on people’s liberty like that with a straight face and the interviewers just smile and nod like it’s nothing

<usernetinternet[> To paraphrase articmine the 1MB bitcoin block in 2009 is equivalent to 55MB today <That was the figure for 2020, based upon the 1 MB block size added in 2010. For 2021 it is 86 MB

I guess ultimately people are on notice on how BTC is now so they are assuming the risk, willingly subjecting themselves to this. Ughh

Basically 1.5^N where N is the number of years since 2010. Neilsen's Law of Bandwidth. nngroup.com/articles/law-of-bandwidth

My take is that most "investors" in Bitcoin are basically momentum traders, with no long term fundamentals