Actually are there any iranians in this chat? If there are i will send you $1 worth of of monero right now

looking for movie recommendations - what should I watch?

utxobr: margin call

utxobr: dazed and confused

utxobr: margin call and then dazed and confused because the former is too depressing so you’ll need the palate cleanser afterwards

haha that's so true

margin call is good indeed; dazed and confused .. can't go to the shop to get something (ontario is closing everything pretty early now w/ this stay at home order)

Watch lilya 4 ever if you want a depressing film lol

<usernetinternet[ "Watch lilya 4 ever if you want a"> holy s, looks messed up

Lilya 4 ever is a good film if youre looking for a disturbing film without entering serbain film territory

* Lilya 4 ever is a good film if youre looking for a disturbing film without entering serbain film teritory

Looking to trade, new here.

<r0ckl0bster "Looking to trade, new here."> You probably have fiat.

kycnot.me lists some exchanges.

oh nice url hehe

bisq needs an exe? that's not exactly what I meant heh

yeah that's a good link

wtf happened to shapeshift, jeez

would be nice if that chart had fees listed

> In addition to mixing services, U.S.-based hate groups and extremists have also started using other obfuscation techniques previously tested by foreign terror organizations. 35 An example of this is the neo-Nazi National Justice Party’s acceptance of money through dynamically generated Bitcoin addresses rather than static addresses. Relatedly, the Daily Stormer has recently decided that concerns about

anonymity justified switching to “privacy coin” Monero rather than staying with Bitcoin 36 , even though the latter is more familiar to its users. 37

bullish?

why not?

people who need privacy opting for privacy. what's the suprise?

yanmaani: ultra bullish fuck these na'is but their use if proof of moneros effectiveness

and crack dealers use cash

<h2017 "and crack dealers use cash"> Quick, ban US dollars!

can someone help me to verify the gpg signature of hashes.txt?

gpg --verify binaryfate.asc hashes.txt gives me

gpg: verify signatures failed: unexpected error

never really used GPG before

i think maybe you need to import the .asc keyfile first then just do gpg --verify hashes.txt

hmm, so I did gpg --import binaryfate.asc

after running gpg --verify hashes.txt, it says Good signature

however it also warns me that the signature is not trusted and that there is no indication the signature belongs to the onwer

I'm guessing this is normal, right?

yeah you need to manually mark an imported key as trusted

if it says good signature then i think you're golden

you can either choose to verify the key or just accept the not trusted warning

Based, thank you very much! got that sorted out

:)

also omg $360 USD already! i just checked it a minute ago and it was $350. glad to see

ha give it 10 mins

also fyi #monero-markets is best place for price talk

i was going to do my moneroversary buy on sunday but i couldn’t wait so i did that when it dipped tonight

Dear Monero Community,

I have written a web page for image watermarking, and pinned it to the IPFS Network.

Now you can visit it here: bafybeiakphauehqjdodbwxbjnxbh6fpmmb…torqkx4jz2uwu3s2xwla.ipfs.dweb.link

It is completely based on the browser's local API, without any network request, and is especially suitable for various sensitive documents (such as ID card / driver's license / passport).

If it helps you, please consider buying me a coffee via XMR: 84983S3ZvMcFPwXU1iH23qPKZQCjXVmazUYAv62QGc4SeKgR3abY9LEFjQfFxNvNTvMXEcuKEVkGt8HMHbPVsqLd9NFNu2S

what is a good way to buy monero for BCH without having to go through BTC?

<persimmon "what is a good way to buy monero"> Cake wallet does BCH to XMR

cake wallet uses changenow so you can also do it directly or with similar services

Hello

Anyone here?

👋🏽

I am new here and want some changes to try a transaction, can anyone give me some?

nioc, thanks but it looks like I still have to go through BTC to fund my cakewallet

I don't use the swap services but you should be able to use your bch directly with them

Not thru cake

I see I think I didn't understand what changenow meant; I will look into it thank you!

'Oddly, no one who was directly involved with the SIR-C missions and currently still working the Lab, remembers the name Howard Chu, except for one who vaguely recalls Eugene Chu as having a brother names Howard'

Ed Caro, NASA Chief Engineer. cryptogazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/1-768x1445.png

I am new here and want to get a small amount of XMR to play with

.faucet

Sophia85: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

So​phia85: Triangle is how ​many sides?

3

Sophia85: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000009 XMR to Sophia85 [8ed1fbf3] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01646244

Sophia85, I'm not new here and want to get a large amount of XMR to be serious with.

.faucet

Mo​chi101: What is th​e sqrt of 0

0

Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000022 XMR to Mochi101 [4d571861] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01646024

Luckily I had my calculator app open on my phone.

.faucet

.tip Sophia85 all

azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.000004 XMR to azy [5308befc] Wait ≈1 day 35 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01645624

Mochi101: Ooops! Not enough in your balance..

.balance

Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000036 XMR (≈0 USD)

.balance

azy: • Your balance is: 0.0001848 XMR (≈0.07 USD)

Time to retire azy!

.tip

Sophia85: Tip to who? (10s)

.faucet

Sophia85: Ooops!

Sophia85: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 24 hours to go.

.usd

.btc

cer: You must have bot account & be logged in

nioc, the cakewallet changenow thingy worked perfectly to exchange BCH for XMR directly. Thanks!

Dear community, I know most of you are kind, and I am new to the Monero world, so can anyone send me a tip?

My wallet address is 85npSC9kgYeXs5935KmtFzRMRC5DAF3AJHChsFcRea2hCgvq8Wp4qMcUyvFu4N7rCkL8qQ2HuAqjrNKqowPCLNHkPncpgs2

<Sophia85 "Dear community, I know most of y"> youtu.be/afkN9H9aLow

/join #monero-begging

aw

should have pointed her (him) to the faucet

sOpHiA. hopin for some simphias

.faucet

h​mmp: How ma​ny toes do humans normally have if they lost half

5

hmmp: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to hmmp [90d2ecca] Wait ≈1 day 17 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01645294

anyone here

my name indicates my purpose

.faucet

CryptoBeggar: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

wtf

is Vorhees redeeming himself? twitter.com/ErikVoorhees/status/1383132044511768576?s=19

.faucet

I​nge-: How many planets in Earth sol​ar system after Pluto was banned

8

Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000007 XMR to Inge- [d476f2f0] Wait ≈1 day 25 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01645224

.c 0.0000007*61600

Inge-: 0.0000007*61600 - invalid amount (not a number)

I have only ~1 dollar worth of xmr left in my wallet

CryptoBeggar, imgur.com/a/ltEa4xG

have fun staying poor

.tip CryptoBeggar all

azy: User 'CryptoBeggar' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account

CryptoBeggar, I also have another wallet imgur.com/a/MAz6wX7

Probably not logged in

just stop being poor

CryptoBeggar send it to me, so you won't have to worry about crypto taxes anymore

Uhm can I join?

Amounts of monero are appreciated

.register

M4268583364[m]: /msg NickServ help - freenode.net/kb/answer/registration - WARNING! DO NOT ISSUE /msg COMMANDS IN CHANNEL! You risk exposing email/pass to everyone..

Oh god

.tell rbrunner I synced my stagenet node. Tell em where I can donate some stagenet xmr for your project.

Mochi101: None@freenode 1618656613.2736974 <Mochi101> I synced my stagenet node. Tell em where I can donate some stagenet xmr for your project.

Meeting at #monero-events for Monero Village at Defcon planning staff in about seven hours.

could you please send me 0.004 xmr

my wallet address is 8AcBPrQSVZyQVyYzQ1BGHaagu37M3tPfmX9bY2G96GCLHTeLn5PsK8nTRAAZpqL919g5Mi61kXxQyYqVNfMyvMBeAyWyTFx

.balance

azy: • Your balance is: 0.0001848 XMR (≈0.07 USD)

living on north america, it might seem so distant the notion of needing unconfiscatable money, right? twitter.com/utxobr/status/1383385033914818562

could you please send me 0.004 xmr

my wallet address is 8AcBPrQSVZyQVyYzQ1BGHaagu37M3tPfmX9bY2G96GCLHTeLn5PsK8nTRAAZpqL919g5Mi61kXxQyYqVNfMyvMBeAyWyTFx

Are mods asleep ?

usually

how does cakewallet make money as a company

> how does cakewallet make money as a company

I think they get a percentage of the fees from any exchange made on changenow.io through their app.

What kind of person steals from their own community? removeddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d…ds_to_give_up_his_commit_access_and (changed link to removeddit since /r/monero mod removed to try to cover it up - maybe fluffy himself?)

<Jeremih> Fluffy does

"Losing the savings" in crypto

then you do not deserve savings.

As a spice in the portfolio - yes, but "all savings" ...

anyone mining on moneroocean?

.faucet

​ern: What is the sqrt ​of 1

1

ern: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to ern [3afd8f30] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01644894

wohoo!

weehee

How long you have to answer question for you to buy a snickers bar ?

.faucet

ch​arolastra: What​ is 5 - 3?

2

charolastra: @bonuspot tipped 0.000005 XMR to charolastra [1ff1afd8] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01644394

years

what jonah_xd[m]

.faucet

devbordecraft[m]: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

dev​bordecraft[m]: How many were Three Little Pi​gs

3

devbordecraft[m]: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000025 XMR to devbordecraft[m] [222dd60c] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01644144

.balance

devbordecraft[m]: • Your balance is: 0.00007195 XMR (≈0.03 USD)

xiewkixsmwkc: why do people think it was him?

bobbieweirder[m]: just ignore :P

hi i'm new to crypto, is anyone around who can give me a couple of tips

NoobUK: what kind of tips? you can find a lot of monero specific info on getmonero.org and monero.how

well... i have a bitcoin wallet on blockchain.com by someone's advice, and it doesn't seem to support monero, so i'm wondering if there is a trusted online wallet provider like that for monero

cake wallet!

you can also send BTC or LTC to cake and exchange for XMR

i don't have a smartphone, is cake good on windows desktop?

looks good, cheers!

now if i install that on my computer, and the computer breaks down, do i lose my monero or do i just need to backup a key code and use it on another pc?

it's like your blockchain.info wallet where you're given a bunch of words to write down

nice

make sure to keep that seed phrase safe

will do

kinda new to monero what does .faucet do

give you a riddle and some monero IOUs if you know the correct answer

the command is named incorectly. usually faucets gave you coins just for asking

Can you transfer that to your own wallet?

sure

what's the command for that

<fdgfyjncch[m] "kinda new to monero what does .f"> Bro faucet has nothing to do with crypto in general, it means giving away low amount of dosh

does anybody know about DAPS? they claim to be better than monero. i’m going to read up about it a bit but was wondering if people have any thoughts

Mirko45407556 said it so it must be true

Sent a small amount of BTC from Edge to Samourai wallets - never turned up .... monero allow small transactions?

asymptotically: i am not taking it at face value. i just want to get a better understanding of why it’s not true

there is so much wrong with the chart

not even going to bother

i read the whitepaper but i just don’t have the tech-savvy eye to know if it’s gonna give us a run for our money or just BS

PoS PoW PoA hybrid

nice buzzword bingo lol

I used to love playing bingo as a kid

Why isn't Monero experiencing the hashrate problem that Bitcoin currently is?

Monero adjust the difficulty with each block

you mean the problem that's caused by 70% of bitcoin's hashrate residing in China?

Isn't the incentive for all miners to be in China the same for all coins?

no

there are 2 major incentives. one is cheap electricity

and there are other places in the world that can provide that

the other is proximity to ASIC factories, all of which are located in China

Well. It's easier for the Bitcoin hashrate to get centralized in china since the asic miners are mostly made there

and has no relevance to Monero

ok you said it ;)

Monero is just better. YES I SAID IT ;)

lol

<Jeremih> Hello, are there any trusted online wallets?

mymonero

<Jeremih> Can anyone else confirm this, or deny?

can confirm

yes, mymonero is run by a monero core team member

<Jeremih> Wasn't fluffy kicked out?

<Jeremih> Well

wut

<Jeremih> It won't open either

<Jeremih> blocked.mymonero.com

Fluffy ended up in the hospital from all the watches preventing circulation in his arms

Fluffy exit scammed.

<Jeremih> Yeah so why would I use his wallet

<Jeremih> And it still won't work

he's joking

It works for me

<Jeremih> I'm using tails

<Jeremih> On tails?

Let me start it up

You mean just accessing the website or the app?

wallet.mymonero.com works for me

is that the real site or one of the many phishing sites?

ssl matches

But it seems mymonero blocks some tor exit nodes

anything at mymonero.com would be published by whoever has dns admin access

yes mymonero blocks that

there are ways for bad JS to be injected

and fingerprinting to happen

Injecting bad js over ssl? How would that happen.

tor exit nodes

you can google it

Well they can do self signed certs but it would fail then. But maybe you mean people accepting it anyway

Anyway. I'm sure there's good logic behind it

But why not use an .onion?

why are you sure

Not sure if this is the right channel but I was wondering what the communities thoughts on social recovery are?

heh because it probably happened and that's why they block it

Anyway it's not blocking my exit so they should update the list :P

logic can also be used to make something false seem likely

philogy[m]: what is social recovery ?

<endogenic "philogy: what is social recovery"> Social recovery is the concept that in order to make wallets more user-friendly and potentially more secure one creates a wallet such that one can recover it via socially trusted contacts such as friends and family instead of having to keep track of mnemonic phrase.

I don't want to be responsible

oh

<Jeremih> Works now

antisocial recovery sounds better

philogy[m]: you dont want to keep track of it anyway

it's a vuln

<endogenic "philogy: you dont want to keep t"> wdym?

attack surface

Jeremih if you're using tails download the GUI or CLI and connect via a remote node thats accessable by the tor network

You need to do some googling to find one and put the node info in your settings

Put it on your persistence drive as well unless you want to recover your wallet every time you launch tails

needs to be a hidden service node

<endogenic "attack surface"> Not keeping track of your seed is even worse, no? If you lose your device then your funds are completely lost. At least with a mnemonic phrase you can recover your wallet

seeds are very difficult in my mind

no i mean distributing it physically

plus encryption

where would you keep this piece of paper that it is immune to being taken and that you can trust it will be safe

family members?

in theory i should be able to safely publish an encryped seed on this channel

<Jeremih> It's not updated on the website, not yet at least

what isnt updated

<Jeremih> The . appimage

just download the GUI wallet and configure it to connect to a remote node

CLI is better

<Jeremih> downloads.getmonero.org/gui/linux64

<Jeremih> It's outdated

I work for a company that helps with this. Our current setup is 2 copies of the encrypted seed in safety deposit boxes in 2 countries. Then the password to the seed in the location of the client + one in another country.

Nevermind

He's wrong

zib you can also shamir secret share the pw

It's not updated on the onion website

zib: What company helps with that kind of thing?

It should work on the link you provided Jeremih

endogenic: Yes. It's a weight of security etc

zib private companies are terrible for safety deposit boxes

not safe

<Jeremih> Oh alright, I'll do that then

just happened recently

FBI, DEA etc came in and seized literally every private safety deposit box

told customers they need to prove how they earned the cash in each box

abcdefg_irssi: Yes i'm aware. These vaults are in "international soil". Usually Freeport inside airports.

Same people use for gold storage etc

One is in Singapore for example

So you can fly there and access it without clearing singapore immigration etc. You never leave the airport

abcdefg_irssi: Jeebus. Really? That's insane.

so i can send monero myself from the future

jk

right

yes one guy i might know had like 400k in a box and now has to prove how he earned it

counterentropic Monero

the wave of the futu- . . . err, past

although their setup was not anonymous like they claimed

they used retina scanning

apotheon: you have to have already spent it

try not to overthink it

so its still an identifier that is unique

🤣

I wish Tenet was a better movie.

abcdefg_irssi: how did we ever let it get to a point that you have to 'prove you earned' something and if you dont meet some arbitrary standard your funds are stolen

I'm not sure

its getting taken to court under 4th amendment because they went in with a blanket warrant and seized every singel box

i believe 4th amendment

"Armed with a warrant, agents with the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration pulled each of the store’s several hundred boxes out of the walls and seized all the contents. It took five days to inventory everything and take it to an undisclosed warehouse. Prosecutors said drugs, weapons and stacks of currency that drew the attention of drug-sniffing dogs were discovered."

FBI? Morono protects me.

Like what

abcdefg_irssi: Thats why you're safety deposit box needs to be in the US but also outside the US :D

sounds like an egregious 4A violation to me. how could they possibly have probable cause on every single deposit box at that location? they would have to have shown every single box is linked to the same specific crime and that’s bonkers

"To reclaim property, people must identify themselves to federal authorities and prove they are the rightful owners of the items — a bar that may prove challenging to clear when dealing with cash, gold, heirloom jewelry and other undocumented items.

whats shitty is even if you go through the courts and get your shit back without having to prove anything well know youre known to the FBI as the guy with cash in a safety deposit box

now*

<endogenic "zib you can also shamir secret s"> Yes you can, and that's a pretty secure approach but you still have the problem of it being highly inconvenient and you need to take care of actually storing the shards

With social recovery you get security and convenience,

you just create a wallet, no seed to remember and designate a bunch of trusted parties to be recoverers as part of an n-of-m multisig

Gov agencies always try to test the waters when it comes to infringing on peoples rights

The FBI and DEA can do that to pretty much anything. Sure, it's "illegal", but that doesn't mean they can't physically do it.

yeah insane

definitely time to rewrite my password manager

the prosecution’s implied assumption that “if you care about privacy that much you’re probably sketchy anyway” is really problematic to me

but it echoes a wider societal sentiment. a lot of everyday say this— “i don’t care because i have nothing to hide”

yeah i was talking to some guy the other day that i knew from a few years ago

hes getting into computer programming through some bootcamp school or some shit

we were talking about private communications and he said it was sketchy I used signal because why would anyone use it if they had nothing to hide

I wanted to just call him a cuck instead of explaining but its retarded

people really believe that

did you ask him for dick pics + his bank details?

I should've

.val xmr

abcdefg_irssi: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈362.35 • ccc/HuobiPro: ≈$362.12 24HΔ: 6.76% Vol: 361.17K [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$362.58 24HΔ: 8.78% 7DΔ: 24.75854% [< 16m]

17:38 < abcdefg_irssi> we were talking about private communications and he said it was sketchy I used signal because why would anyone use it if they had nothing to hide

I don't really trust Signal all that much, anyway.

<abcdefg_irssi "I wanted to just call him a cuck"> i started using tutanota for my professional networking email. people have asked me about it but when i tell them why they’ve rarely been sketched out

but it makes me sad that this guy is so oblivious

people who want to go into programming should at least see the value of privacy. it’s so front and center in everything digital that we use

If you want to get through to them, you need to figure out their political leanings and exploit those to give explanations that play on their biases.

apotheon: yes i agree. privacy is a bipartisan issue i truly believe that

Yeah, but if you give the wrong explanation you lose them "forever".

"OH YOU MUST BE ONE OF *THEM*!"

bobbieweirder: is tutona legit? Germany is 14 eyes

I love that 14 Eyes is a thing now. It's so lovecraftian . . . which is perfect for the growth of surveillance police states.

volantaryism1: it works with my threat profile for purposes of this email account. i am handing it out to strangers anyway. it’s just a lower cost privacy option one step up of like gmail

i think protonmail is better, and running your own server is even more so

test

bobbieweirder: i use tor mail services only

apotheon : they should have called them tentacles lol

apotheon: something that i still struggle with is how much privacy should we agree to give up for a reasonable level of societal protection. and i still trip up when i talk to people about privacy

NATO is the tentacles thing, I guess.

or maybe something like whatever they're calling the North American "free" trade stuff now.

volantaryism1: i’m still trying to figure it all out. can you tell us more about about tor mail services?

We shouldn't give up any privacy for it.

The politicians, government bureaucrats, and enforcers are the only people who should give up privacy as a matter of policy.

bobbieweirder: dark.fail has a list of onion email services

apotheon: i think that’s a perfectly acceptable position at least to me, but if the concern is “i would rather give up some privacy so we know ISIS is not laundering money through our system”, i don’t think that’s unreasonable either

I think the world would have far fewer problems with things like ISIS if governments let people have their lives back.

volantaryism1: i will take a look! i had a really old macbook that i used to use very haphazardly for Tor (didn’t use tails). i have a new computer now so i’m trying to figure it all out anew

I don't believe in a right to privacy per se, but I do believe we have a right to defend our privacy, and nobody has a right to force us to give it up. Governments go around forcing us to give up privacy at every turn, and it should be no surprise that people are flipping out and killing other people in a world where they can't just live in peace and not have someone prying into everything they

do.

I think the problem is that its never ISIS

thats the reason for undermining privacy rights but in reality its barely even a thing and applies to almost nobody

apotheon: i agree with that. ultimately if the government wants to snoop, they need to ask us, and if we say no, they to find a better way. but like abcdefg was saying earlier, there are too many people who are willing to serve it to the gov on a platter

abcdefg_irssi: that too

bobbieweirder[m]: Yeah, that's a big issue.

Monero Village at Defcon 29 (2021 hybrid hotel and online) meeting on #monero-events in one minute.

Its much more realistic to identify those with links to terrorist organizations and monitor them then to just cast a wide net on EVERYONE with the excuse of monitoring terrorism

abcdefg_irssi: ISIS/terrorism is just an extreme example, but i think crime prevention is what people get hung up on.

huh

bonan tagon everyonen

Maybe I should join #monero-events and see what that's about.

yea im going to lol

honestly i can’t even come to a solid place on what i really think about money laundering

abcdefg_irssi: They just want to use the war on tourism as an excuse to get access to everything.

money laundering is happening currently despite wide ranging access to everyones personal info

apotheon: how do i find that room? it’s not showing up for me... (amateur hour!!)

abcdefg_irssi: it’s harder than it could be though

bobbieweirder[m]: Money "laundering" is just privacy. It should be left alone.

bobbieweirder[m]: I don't know how you'd get to it from Matrix. I'm on IRC.

bobbieweirder[m]: #freenode_#monero-events:matrix.org

There will always be someone who comits financial crimes, whatevee currency they use is irrelevant

* There will always be someone who comits financial crime, whatever currency they use is irrelevant

. . . and yeah, there's not really a way to stop money "laundering". It's just an excuse to get more prying eyes into everyone's business.

happy alt season

Elon_Sat0shi: thanks!

no prob

is there somehow a certain time of year forbalt season?

apotheon: i don’t really know if i agree with that (yet) though

when does everyone decide it's alt season?

Elon_Sat0shi: check the BTC dominance, its what a lot of people use

Falling dom = alt

Bitcoin dom fell below 50% today

oh wow

do you think it'll go back over fifty percent?

Elon_Sat0shi: cant predict the future but falling dominance can have positive feedback

Falling dom = alts = dom falls further = more alts and repeat

Btc doesnt have anything going for it other than its price so falling dom can be quite destructive to price

lookin' grim for the mooners

not just its price, but its acceptance

more businesses accept bitcoin than other cryptos

it's THE crypto that everyone hears of first

but yeah that's all it has going

Elon_Sat0shi: not really, accepting one crypto is as easy as any other if you use coinbase payment api / btcpay

Bitcoin was the first cryptocurrency in the real world that I encountered.

Of course, I'm not sure there was another blockchain currency when I heard of it.

can you use those to just accept almost all currencies? or do you have to pick which cryptos you want?

Elon_Sat0shi: you can set it up so it accepts any currency (including monero) and have it be converted to any currency of your choosing

cuz if you have to pick, someone who knows nothing about monero isn't going to accept monero, no matter how easy it is ti add it to their api

oh ok cool

Does Coinbase payment API support cryptocurrencies that Coinbase exchnage doesn't?

err

is there a way to accept fiat and have it go directly into my non custodial monero address?

s/exchnage/exchange/

another good question

if not, a way to accept s/fiat/btc or any other crypto/maybe?

Power outage in china took 30% of btcs hashrate offline and the next difficulty adjustment is 2 weeks away

Avg blocktime is now 15 minutes

Shows the importance of decentralized mining

indeed. and also, the importance of a network that adjusts gradually in response to changes, instead of discrete steps at fixed time intervals

the BTC halving intervals are braindead stupid. same with the difficulty adjustment intervals.

the real world doesn't operate on fixed-time intervals...

pretty much everything about BTC's operational details are completely braindead.

Things are supposed to be updated when the old way doesn't work well.

how do we make monero's mining more decentralized?

2009 to 12 years later. still waiting for btc to improve :P

hyc: lol if bitcoin had continued to improve i dont think there would be even 1/100th as many alts there are now

Elon_Sat0shi: mine, and use a smaller mining pool, I guess

Elon_Sat0shi: we just passed 100 000 miners

Elon_Sat0shi: join a small mining pool

Are there any other coins besides Monero that you like hyc?

ero?

Btc mempool over 180k now

well, gota run

ta

I mean, think of it in a naiive/excited Satoshi mind frame... halvings seems reasonable, but you can't see the ramifications of that unless you are around 4 years later and see what it did to the blocks and mining

has anyone tried to make a p2pool for monero?

dynline[m]: I don't spend muc htime looking at other coins

floam412: meh. there was never any real world rationale for it. everything in the real world decays gradually

Me neither, Monero's way too interesting.

like radioactive half life

true... but I guess thinking about it in a "game theory" mind set, it seems like there is incentive to invent some sort of "hype" around each and every halving that mining companies worship and promote

idk, this is 4th mimosa floam talking

particularly if your purpose is *distribution* you should be looking at inverse square, inverse cube, etc.

moving on to fancy beers soon, so watch out :p

because that's how real things distribute from a point source.

very true... I'm a big fan of how xmr does the distribution thing

i think ethereum is kinda interesting too

:fire-poop emoji:

ethereum sucks a big ol' stanky D

dunno. eth may have an interesting concept but its implementation is pathetic

world's computer my ass

^

how so?

Tari gonna be way more advanced and no one will know about it, because it doesn't rely on marketing hype and creepy Vitalik clapping his hands for people to buy-in

imagine you want to solve "2+2=?" - you can do it trivially on your own computer, or you can farm it out to the World Computer

they rolled back transactions... any time a "decentralized" coin does that, makes it an immediate scam

rolling back transaction is like the *definition* of centralization

it's bull shit

so yeah, no practical use case, and no adherence to any professed principles

Tari ftw, can't wait for the real thing

what about DAI, non fungible tokens, and defi?

lol, defi is ass

floam412: I doubt it would be possible to roll back now like they did then

just know that all that shit is garbage, because the underlying chain is garbage

hmm, I'll have to look up tari

it's still in testing phase ES

anything that throws the middle finger to the suits is what I financially support. That's why I mainly stick to xmr, and some btc

lol

#FuckTheSuits

#birthdaysuits

I'm a dying breed and on the alcohols... I'm in a GOML mood

\o/

\0

GOML?

Get Off My Lawn

ah

kek

ehh, should of just typed the whole thing. laziness

stand your ground?

Nah, just more like 'leave me alone'... I think I've had enough of my old job because they pissed me off and thinking of surviving just on xmr, which is difficult when you live in the area I'm in

can someone tell me the details about how garbage ETH's chain is? I'm curious now

high mortgage rates

google its

but if i google eth i only find out about how it's supposedly good

there are plenty of resources telling you how shitty Eth is... some of it is over dramatic, but a lot of it is true

I'm sure wikipedia is a fine resource on it

okay

a 'fair and balanced' resource... lol

there was a gang of premine

it's pretty centralized

oh yeah, huge

it's bloated

vitalik and co. got paid big time

it's expensive to send

eth was premined? oh wow

they don't care

literally rolled back the chain after a hack

yep

washed their hands after it and called it good

how did they roll it back?

and idiots let them

eth is poop garbage

its just a useless project altogether but that's more of an opinion

by buying into their horseshit

they forked it elon, that's why ethereum classic exists

dynline[m]: one shared by a lot of folks interested in cryptocurrency before eth

yeah, people don't care if they are in the green on their trades

do you think it could be possible for monero to be forked like that?

Like there are a lot of projects that use Eth that I genuinely believe in, like bisq... They need some kind of system that allows them to be a decentralized organization, however using Ethereum is not the answer

Nor do I believe in Eth Classic, because again... same fucked up system that was before the fork, so Vitalik still wins

yes it is always possible

there were forks that happened before

speaking of bisq, i am looking forward to haveno

the one true "monero" chain is still in effect tho

me too, tbh

I hope they don't use Eth to start off with, but that's up to them

forks mean nothing if nobody uses them, see bitcoin sv lol

exactly

but if they start with eth, i can trade all my eth for monero

you hodl eth?

kek

i do have eth

but you guys have made me think twice about having it

i'm glad

support real projects

not digital donkey shit

yeah, fuck those projects

there are people doing real good work

Tari is a big time example, but there are others outside of monero that are doing good stuff too

you just need to DYOR

look into what seems less skammy

look at what might actually improve your day to day, in the long term

like ADA

i even had dogecoin once

say what?

if you are still convinced at the end of it and it makes sense in your head, then you should probably invest a little bit into it. .. AmericanPegasus hillariously told me that back in the day

i still have dogecoin

but it's gotten silly

if only he practiced what he preached

yes

dogecoin... :face-palm:

it's the robinhood weirdos who have jumped onboard and turned it into something it wasn't

oh i just realized fari is esperanto

dogecoin was always about the lols

even CryptoCobain was pretty clear that the guitarist they got showered in some crypto, should be advised to GET OUT OF DOGE :D

ah yes robinhood

until celebrity endorsements on twitter

and robinhood

so much for 1 doge = 1 doge

it's still 1 doge = 1 doge

I mean, they made something lame like Gamestop cool...

but now we have morons who think they can drive it to 10 usd..

That's a tall task

hey we still have wownero

WOWZA

wowing all the way to pluto mother fuckers... not even a planet

i thought 1 usd was extreme

does fari have a great CLI interface like monero does?

they haven't even gotten there yet and these doge n00bs are talking about 10 times that

doge nubs

wow such pump very dump

doge is literally a casino but people pushing it on tiktok and wherever don't exactly describe it like that lol, people are going to get fucked

of course

it always crashes back down

Hello, Is there anyone available to help me?

sup Bigboiimike

yes

ni estas cxi tie

Not much, I'm trying to get into Monero mineing and it directed me to come here

hmm, do you want to do solo mining or pool mining?

I'm not sure whats the best way for me to do it honestly

I know that i doing have the best computer in the world, but at the same time its not that bad.

Maybe i should have done a little research to find out the difference between the two is

well, solo mining is like trying to win a lottery

Solo mining is a lottery. You might get nothing, or $400 at once. Pool mining is more like drudgery. You get 0.002 or whatever every few days.

Long term, you can expect about the same amount though, roughly.

what moneromooo said

I just googled the information, and i think that the pool mining would be the best route

i recommend xmrig for pool mining

and find a small pool to help decentralize mining

I just downloaded xmrig Is there a way to bypass the registration or do i have to purchase?

It's a free program. You might have found a scam.

whoah xmrig is free

Bigboiimike: there is no registration

sounds like a scam

oh okay, i downloaded it from the xmrig website

What URL did you find that on ?

Github.com/xmrig/xmrig is the legit link

oh and an xmrig config wizard is helpful

Github.com/xmrig/xmrig/releases for the latest version

Thank you, I will check this software out now.

Is there a wallet that you guys prefer?

I was told i need a local wallet

I have 10k doge sitting on crypto.com and i was told to store it locally

the official monero wallet from getmonero.org for desktop

I havent used mirc in about 15 years this is crazy

and monerujo or cake wallet for mobile

but you don't actually need to sync the blockchain

i'd try mirc if it were open source

What chat clients do you guys use?

i use irssi but irssi is a learning curve

hexchat is user friendly

I used to be into bitcoin big back when it was trading at around $1 each coin, and then i stopped using PC and left behind 250ish bitcoin

hot damn

then years later when i tried to login because it was gaining value it said since i didnt log in for 6 months that i am waxed

lol, a classic. that's why you need to have them in your own wallet

and then you forget your password to your own wallet

but at least some company doesn't have it

yup thats why im trying to learn this all now, i used to be into computers bigtime but then my father passed and i went on a drinking spree and landed on herion and got stuck for years... Been clean for almost 3 years now.

don't encrypt the wallet then

I wasted so much valuable time that i would have been using on the PC and would have struck it rich lol

Elon_Sat0shi: keep the seedphrase safe

yes

LOL the registration thing that popped up before was from winzip lol

dummy me

i keep my seedphrase buried in the backyard, in that patch dirt i'm too lazy to plow

that's also where the bodies are buried

lol

this xrig will not let me install it

when i click it says that the name is wrong wtf

i hate being this bad with pc's now a days

fair warning, xmrig has no gui

can you use a terminal or edit a config at least?

testing 1 2 3 can anyone hear me? my connection to irc was a bit slow

1 2 3 test succeeded

Yes.

I can not lol

is haven officially related to monero?

no

I think that this will be to complex for me, I have the Monero wallet done and installed

which monero wallet?

Monero GUI from getmonero.org?

Yes

feather wallet > monero official gui

Haven is a monero fork AFAIK. Unless you mean haveno, which is a bisq fork that'll include monero as a first class citizen.

I need monero for this website i would like to use, But im learning about PGP and can not use it until i figure out how to encrypt my messages

is it any good, then?

How does it even work? Is it just a shitcoin scam?

haven is like monero but centralized or something

speaking of websites that use PGP, I'd like to mention that there's a really good resource on using and buying Monero that's available via the Tor Browser, called XMRGuide.

Or at least, using it with Tails OS or over Tor. But it also has a list of decent exchanges.

<Elon_Sat0shi "speaking of websites that use PG"> link it

Bigboiimike: What operating system are you trying to use XMRig on?

okay lemme find the link

Windows

10

I'm on windows XP

What happens when you try to run the xmrig exe file?

Let me do it again

Have you tried running it in a CMD prompt?

i have to unzip it again

(which will probably give you an error saying it has no config or something like that)

And I would gladly link to XMRGuide if it weren't for my Tor Browser is loading really slowly due to slow internet because I'm out of data

Maybe I can find it on the clearweb

IT has a box that pops up and then the exe file goes away

the popup goes so fast i cant read it

That sounds like the cmd prompt opening briefly

the box is in mid of screen

i saw it once and said something about the filename is inncorect

Is the box black with white text?

is not

its like a error box

Hmm. White with black text?

Oh

Can you try running XMRig in a CMD prompt?

(prest Win + R, then type cmd then hit enter. Then type "cd c:\(insert path to XMRig folder here)" into CMD)

oh geez, I haven't done this in a log time

let me try lol

thanks for your help by the way

i really do appricate it

you might be able to start typing the name of the folder and pressing tab to autocomplete

you're welcome!

And it might also be possible, in Windows File Explorer, to hold shift and right click in the white space under the file and folder icons, which will add a new right click menu entry that says "Open in terminal" or "Open in CMD" or something like that

which will open a terminal in the same folder as XMRig when you open it like that

Okay here's a link to xmrguide: xmrguide42y34onq.onion

I am going to put the file directly in my C drive so its easy to figure out

darkfail proof: dark.fail/xmrguide

Okay so i have the file directly in my C drive

Okay. IF you run xmrguide with the terminal, it should output an error

It just needs to be configured

If I could just find the wizard I used once before

what would be the command to run it if the file is in folder xmrig-6.11.2 and then the exe is xmrig

.\xmrig or maybe just xmrig

or maybe .\xmrig.exe

what does dir after cd c:\xmrig-6.11.2?

don't paste multiple lines here

but it should show what the xmrig exe file is called

what does `dir` say after `cd c:\xmrig-6.11.2`? *

okay i opened the terminal and stuff is coming back to me

im in the xmrig-6* folder

and i see xrig.exe

okay .\xmrig.exe should work

'.' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

hmm

maybe just xmrig.exe?

it's been a while since i last used windows

The system cannot execute the specified program.

oof

i will read the commands list

maybe it's the wrong architecture

do you know whether your computer is 64 bit or 32 bit?

did you say it uses windows xp? lots of older computers are 32 bit

i believe 64

i was joking about xp lol

lol

i have windows 10

ah

ok so maybe not architecture

hmm

ooh i wonder if your antivirus is blocking it

it was trying to and i told it to allow

many antiviruses recognize xmrig as malware because malware often uses xmrig

to steal your cpu to mine someone else's monero ofc

now the .exe is gone

just like before

that definitely sounds like an antivirus

windows defender maybe?

i only have the defender on rn

I will watch some video and see if it can walk me thru step by step

try turning defender off

(or whitelisting it in defender somehow)

or see if the video helps

I will do that, I have to go to the market soon anyways so i will continue then, its okay to hangout here in the meantime/.

?

yeah you can hang out here

it's called idling in irc lingo lol

have a good day at the market!

lol yeah, I remeber waaaaay back when i was a little peanut i was on irc nonstop. I was about 14 and i would eat breath and sleep on the pc

I was helping a guy sell server space, and that's how i got all those bitcoin

If i would have just kept at it i would be a millionaire right now

are you guys into doge here?

not really

we were joking about it a while ago, how it's probably going to crash

i had some dogecoin once though

wow, where can i find a guy to help sell server space?

for monero, preferably?

maybe it's not too late

I currently hold 10K doge i bought in at .06

going to be a nice payday shortly

i did the calculation, that's 3 grand now wow

I paid roughly 600 for it when i bought it

i used some of the bitcoin profits

generally, i don't talk about how much crypto i have because it's like telling someone how much is in my bank account

bitcoin went down a lot in the past few days

i can tell you i don't have three grand though

yeah it is talking about finacials, I have it on a totally different device than this one and i do not login to anything worth value on this machine

here's an issue about xmrig and windows defender i think: xmrig/xmrig #85

that's odd, github.com/xmrig/xmrig has links to xmrig.com which from what you said sounded like a scam

but said github repo has a link to a config wizard: xmrig.com/wizard

xmrig.com is legit

ah okay

does it have some kind of unified xmrig thing that requires you to register?

register?

Bigboiimike said something about needing to register

never heard about anyone doing that

i wonder if they were at xmrig.com and had a mitm

yeah i don't see anything about registering here either

just a download button

which leads to a page with different tabs for different operating systems

and download links

there is monero-pools for mining related stuff and much off topic

and trolling

oh cool

you want Bigboiimike and I to continue our discussion about xmrig in there?

you might get some input to your questions there

okay

more knowledge there

if people are not too bust BSing lol

busy

narrator: they were too busy BSing

i can continue helping out with xmrig in here for now

or, they claim they help people out in between the memes

yeah the people in there are crazy

so hopefully here's a list of pools sorted by how big they are so you can find the small pools if you want to miningpoolstats.stream/monero

but if you're just starting out with xmrig you can just use the wizard's 6 or so default options for pools until you're familiar with configuring it

townforge.net/cgi-bin/choose_pool will pick a random pool based off their rough hash rate.

oh sweet thanks

that's pretty awesome

think it's worth mining on with a 3900x or nah?

(I have no idea whether they're any good though)

that's the point though maybe, i'm sure the mining pools that collectively use 90% or 50% or whatever of the hash are really great

how does one start a pool, anyways?

By running some pool software and the daemon.

i've heard that's a lot work to operate and recruit people into

hmm

It can be a pita yes.

i wish there were some software for p2p pooling

not worth it unless you already have a concept for a pool that doesn't already exist and some people interested in using it

like now i'm imagining a p2p-ish pooling system that doesn't need its own blockchain like that p2pool

I have a concept that doens't exist (well, for monero). Merge mining :)

ooh how does that work?

Same as namecoin.

it makes domain names?

The secondary chain will accept normal blocjs and special blocks from the parent chain,

No :D I meant the merge mining aspect.

oh

i didn't know about namecoin's merge mining

First coin to merge mine I think.

why does it have to be a "concept for a pool that doesn't already exist"? why can't it just be like hundreds of other pools and have a system that distributes users among those pools?

can we make pooling at least as federated as mastodon?

or... idk, xmpp?

or IRC even

It could. Just need to write it and people to use it. It's on my list for when I get time for it. Unless someone does it first.

how do i learn to be as dedicated as you?

Some kind of GUI setup for xmrig which selects randonly.

i don't even know very well how to program

although at one point i was working on a bash script for updating monero (without a package manager)

It's not learned really. And I'm not even in the most dedicated.

it even verifies the hashes.txt with the hash mentioned on the monero website

Oh, I have a program for that, it checks sigs based on the repro build signatures.

oh cool, where is this program?

But I think nobody uses it. Mostly because nobody knows about it :D

i'd like to look at the code

curse my slow internet

Story of monero. We do stuff, but we don't really scream about it from hte rooftops so nobody knows.

`until git clone --depth=1 github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-update; do sleep 1; done`

that's cool

are kovri and kastelo still being worked on?

No and no AFAIK.

oh okay

oh wow the script's in cpp

and it's a little hard for a noob like me to read, but it looks like it has a qt gui

i wonder if it works on tails OS

has it been tested on tails OS?

maybe i can go to the library and test it there

the library blocks dating sites but it doesn't block tor

oh no not the irs

No idea. I only tested it on Linux. Others tested on Windows and Mac.

TAILS is Linux, so...

Elon_Sat0shi: don't forget to pay your taxes on this years monero gains

TAILS is Linux, but it blocks all connections that don't go through Tor

IRS: I lost all my monero in a boating accident :(

yay im special

moneromooo: can you test running your program using torsocks?

I would, but slow internet

that's how one would run the program in Tails OS

unless Tor usage were built into the program as an option

which means connecting to socks proxy localhost:9050

and also using tor for dns

you might want to consider whonix instead. doing what you're suggesting on tails is probably going to be a lot more work

is monero packaged?

I *think* there's a debian package.

i believe it is

no fedora package though

kxsl: how so? it's just downloading things over Tor. I wouldn't be surprised if it just works over torsocks

It's programs like Bisq or Openbazaar that want control access to Tor and other complicated stuff that won't run on Tails OS

installing additional packages and their dependencies is tricky

not really, you just enable persistence of installed packages and use sudo apt install

or don't enable persistence but you'll have to install the dependencies every time you boot

even doing that i ran into weird issues

Oh, okay

maybe it's improved in the years since I've last had to do it though

Perhaps. They update it every month I think

But it's very possible IMO that a Monero updater could just work in Tails. Install the dependencies with apt, compile, run with torsocks

It seems to block at DNS queries. libunbound barfs.

Should be fixable.

Alright

If it can run with torsocks even without tails, that's a pretty good test of whether it will run in tails

and then I can test it with Tails at the library, unless someone else wants to

Oooh, it's working. I was just on a shit exit node for DNS.

Elon_Sat0shi: ^

Says 0.17.1.9 though. The TXT records weren't updated ?

And the final download gets hit by 403 thanks to (presumably) cloudflare.

Whats the command to increase the number of nodes my node can connect to? I have a 1GB/s internet so i could handle a lot

Can't Monero be downloaded from Github? And how are you getting the latest version fron DNS records?

out_peers N and in_peers M.

Oh. It's some kind of P2P Monero updater?

moneromooo: ty

It could. I guess the binares could be put in various places, and it tries them until it finds a downloadable version.

My script was just getting the latest hashes.txt and stuff

I was actually building it on Tails

How to get the latest version fron DNS records, well... how detailed to you want that ?

You get the TXT records from the update hosts, parse, checks the DNSSEC, compare.

Ah.

Hmm. What to do about that cloudflare.

selsta: I still haven't pushed the GUI support for it. I guess it's kinda moot now, given the GUI did its own thing ?

GUI does not use gitian.sigs

but yea we also have our own auto update thing

does the cli auto update at all?

monerod can tell you when there's an update, also download it, also check it. It won't restart with the new versioh though. Your job.

oh cool

See --check-updates

monero has the best cli

ooh how does the android version of monero cli work?

is it for termux?

moneromooo im trying to update mining for arm from xmrig/xmrig #2077

but this is for xmrig and im not sure which code to add

this update tevador/RandomX #202 was added but is not working

<Jeremih> Any exchange I can use with visa?

coinbase

enjoy the fees though

swap with ltc not btc

Where do you swap with LTC?

Are you talking about getting LTC from a centralized exchange, then swapping on a decentralized exchange?

is that possible? I was thinking abcdefg_irssi meant like an instant changer, like anything but changelly

melona: define "not working" ?

no

OK, fair enough. I'll go back to coding.

moneromooo: I like you. Please keep coding.

the solution for xmrig will work for monero too but what function to add from all

xmrig/xmrig #2077/commits/346892e17059888421ee782d3ecb6f263595b773   or

yes Elon_sat0shi

you buy btc/ltc from a centralized exchange

then either use a coin swap or use tradeogre/probit or whatever market supports xmr trades

to get xmr

I don't know this code, or the bug. The first patch invalidated the insn cache. Sounds sensible after JIT code generation.

thats how you get monero with a debit/credit card

XMRGuide has a list of instant exchangers for Monero: xmrguide42y34onq.onion/exchanges

I'm interested in the feasibility of getting a Visa gift card without KYC.

basically impossible apotheon

Is that a thing in the US, or do you need a credit card or ID at the bank to get Visa gift cards?

floam412: ahh, too bad

you can get visa gift cards in the US with no kyc

pretty easily

The whole "buy something to swap" approach is really a thorn in my side.

abcdefg_irssi: Yeah? How so?

the supermarket lol

you are going to come to the realization that you are/will/was tracked and that nothing you do will prevent it. It's better to "hide in numbers"

Do they sell for paper-cash there?

yes

yes

hmm

so... do as the romans do and get sucked in the vortex of the Twitterbooks and the Linkedfaces

no thx

ok then, good luck

and the FacedIns and the Instatweets

or something like that

yes ^

exactly

i have social media accounts i made in like high school that i don't use/post on and haven't in years

Everybody gets a little tracked somewhere, but separating the trackingses should be a reasonable goal in some cases.

actively participating in social media networks is like deciding to slowly infest your brains with maggots

s/Everybody/"Everybody"/

Where do you buy stuff with Monero, that isn't drugs?

arm mining crash if u dont disable jit

I wanna buy something legal with Monero

you can buy servers/vpns with monero

Elon_Sat0shi: If you're in the EU, you can buy wild game jerky from Germany with Monero.

i will be honest im pretty sure most transactions at this point are drugs but btc was the same way 10 years ago

delivery to your door

I used to think I could be able to hide my identity online and took all these measures.. only to come to the realization that I don't use VPN/Tor all the time and no matter how many times I used Linux at home, there will come a time I will step in to a bank and realize there I am with 7 cameras pointed at me giving "the man" different angles of my face which I'm sure happens everywhere on every sing street corner

apotheon: lol, unfortunately I'm in the US and I also happen to be vegan

<Jeremih> Could I just use kraken at that point?

Monero is fast and fees are low. Privacy by default with optional view keys is nice

yes jeremih

floam412: That's why I mentioned separating activities between tracked and untracked.

floam412: the trick is to have multiple identities

You can buy domain names or hosting services with monero

Great way to host a spicy blog

that too

captainbeast: too long didnt read, btw i am never ever ever going to sell my fucking monero

lots of anonymized internet stuff you can do with it

Or pay taxes on it😉

I did have that... this was my go to "private" identity... now you can probably find my face associated with it on the googlebox

> or pay taxes on it

IRS: we've got a live one

cuz I didn't give a fuck after worrying about it for so long

Damn. I lost that page full of things that accept Monero.

and you know what? I like the fact that the gov. knows I'm not pleased about them spying on me

You can buy porn with it

ooo ya

^ now we talking

boobies

n' tacos

Elon_Sat0shi: starve the irs

Can't have your chick knowing where you send your coins

Oh, here it is: getmonero.org/community/merchants

Elon_Sat0shi: Try that list.

oh thanks

crypto-armory.com can buy ammo heh

"Web Hosting", "Services", and "Goods" seem like promising categories there.

someone should make a P2P website where you put items on an amazon wishlist then deposit crypto into an escrow and people can come in and buy those items to you with a debit/cc which then releases the crypto in escrow to them

to avoid kyc

or has that already been done

The prices on crypt-armory seem a bit high, last I checked.

All ammo prices are pretty high right now

With BCH, there's a thing like that with Amazon gift cards people don't want to know.

I forgot what it's called.

Probably still a bit higher, but you're paying with monero

showcontroller: Yeah, but those seem a bit higher, as you mentioned.

If anyone wants to use their crypto to buy cool collectibles you can always hit me up :)

If I don't have it here, I'm sure I can find someone that does

What's a cool collectible?

NFTs? (har)

nah... something like my loaded xmr notes for example

hold up

wow, I just checked that spammer captainbeast[m]'s long Matrix messages and those long messages are huge walls of spam

If they'd used IRC directly the spam would've been more effective lmao

But instead the Matrix bridge shortened their spam

loaded XMR notes?

yeah, what about em?

what is a loaded XMR note?

priv key is underneath the hologram

lemme link to you where you can see the finished product

okay so a paper monero

sorta..

this is made out of polymer, very much like a real paper fiat note

but... cooler, cuz

well... monero

when you peel the hologram it "honey combs" and there fore you can't just place it back on the note to pretend the monero is still there

just a geeky collectible thing I was into and wanted to make a xmr version of it (Smoothie, and luigii were the only other people who made xmr stuff before me I think)

huh

they look pretty cool

thx :) ... I decided to halt note making though because I'm having a tough time just to time manage my regular every day life... if people here want to organize and take it over, that would be fantastic

I got my money back out of it pretty much for the most part

I just don't want to deal with the time deadlines and stuff any more and keeping on top of the note makers... you can see the "One hundred and fifthty" spelling error even though I told them about it before

:shrugs:

It was done with bitcoin back in the day.

The ones I'm thinking of are super rare. They guy stopped making them, because it's technically illegal.

Bitcoin fees are so high trading private keys doesnt even sound that unreasonable lol

Also a good way to defeat chain analysis - cant trace off chain txs!

Guess who'll be sending their new really really tainted coins to an exchange soon ?

Who?!!!

Whoever buys private keys probably.

yeah

Just trade your new tainted BTC for XMR on Bisq, I guess.

anon_82641[m] You are thinking of Mike Caldwell... maker of Casascius coins

fun fact - he wasn't the first

Bitbills was first, but that doesn't get glamorized because Mike was the first to get his coins being shown on news sites and tv

what's technically illegal about trading bitcoin private keys on paper?

seems like an odd thing to be illegal

they wanted to make an example out of him... so he complied and he lived happily ever after whereever he is now. Technically they viewed it as money laundering.

I think that comment was about making coin-like objects.

You gave him usd/btc and he funded the coins himself

ah

whats superrr fascinating is watching the casascius coin tracker. Any time someone peels a coin, the twitter bot gets pinged and shows how much and what coin it was

during the bull run in 2020 lots of people were cashing out 25 btc coins like it was nothing

oh wow

when lambo?

still a handful of 100 btc ones active lol

not redeemed

6 million dollar coins

i wonder if any of those are lost LOL

yeah that ^ I know the guy who coded that up... very fascinating to go back and see when bulk peels happen and who it could be tied to

i'll pay $10 to have one

Still some with 1000!

yep

like 2 I think?

shit still some with 1000 yea

thats crazy

very...

i mean

they were minted in 2012

what gets crazy is when you see people tweeting about it on twitter... I know for a fact Charlie of LTC has a bunch

i wish i was like

4 years older

I would've paid more attention and cared more about btc in 2009-2010

I knew what it was back then but I was young and just wanted to play video games and smoke pot

i lost a wallet from back then that had btc from a faucet on it lol

I new someone who was mining bitcoin on a largish scale in 2012

yeah i tried to set it up on my laptop in 2011 but ran into some issue and gave up

if it's any consolation, bitcoin would be worth slightly less if it wasn't for your noble contribution to its deflation

well it would be but i barely hold btc anymore

🤔

Are there any analysis documents on adapting lightning to monero?

anon_82641: no need, monero can handle txs on layer 1

anon_82641[m]: eprint.iacr.org/2020/1441

afaik these are two different approaches