whats the piratecoin shit

I'm seeing it around

whats the monero IRC consesus on pirate coin

the website makes me think shitcoin but curious if theres actually anything here

I don't know anything about it. I haven't even seen mention of it except here.

Hello my friends! Claim up to US $24 in coupons now!

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a.aliexpress.com/_m0XtOXd Not spam, not virus, just coupons! ;)

It looks like a fork of bitcoin/zcash or whatever using zk-snarks but just forced private transactions

instead of letting people choose between public/private like zach

At 7tps bitcoin could facilitate 1 transaction every 35 years if everyone in the world tried to send 1 transaction

NOT SPAM! (Says the spammer)

Literally 1 transaction a generation

<abcdefg_irssi "It looks like a fork of bitcoin/"> is zk-snarks something monero could/should leverage?

what'd the tradeoff be?

(yes, looks scammy AF, but, is there something in it that could make monero even better?)

I'm not technically knowledgeable enough to say if monero should implement zk-snarks or not but the other technology within monero beyond the encryption also makes it valuable imo

god i miss xmr.to

randomx mining, dynamic block sizes, very low tx fees,

Someone help.me

<curiouscode1010[ "Someone help.me"> What help do u need?

gingeropolous: rpc-ssl disabled args seemed to improve the situation. no more restarts in crontab - thanks

Jw.org

Hi! I was wondering if anyone could help me out? I accidentally sent some monero to possibly one of my old addresses. Its showing "Waiting confirmation."

<GmonOhOne "Hi! I was wondering if anyone co"> Do you have access to this address?

0/10 confirmations after ~50 minutes. Am i outta luck or will it cancel itself eventually?

No i do not. I don't believe its a live address anymore

i copied and pasted it from my "exodus" wallet but it never sent properly. I went back to exodus and its now showing a different ID

I believe in daemon use the following command.... flush_txpool

would this be a good guide to use?

my daemon is not currently runnung so can't check the help menu

I typically use gui but will switch to CLI

the gui uses the same daemon

oh I see

those instructions are for CLI wallet as well

that should work

Do you think that you are too intelligent to be in a cult? Then I would encourage you to look into how any other cult works. They aren't populated by stupid people. Aum Shinrikyo was almost exclusively university professors and graduates. For Pete's sake - they had the know-how and means to make WMDs.

As to Monero, I would encourage you to look at Jonestown mass-suicide. You know why Jones killed them all? Because he was afraid he is loosing control over them. People like that will burn everything around them rather than give up control. Being smart doesn't make you immune to being in a cult. This is the most valuable lesson Monero taught me.

smart people often think theyre smarter than they are - buffet

Bro it's a 6 billion dollar cryptocurrency. Not a fuckn suicide calt

where is this monero cult and how do i sign up

shabash, sorry. We can't provide you with that information, the cult is private and anonymous.

kwk

kek even lol

is there any kool aid left or am i too late?

<shabash "where is this monero cult and ho"> SAME

ndorf, we can't tell you how much (or if any) Kool-Aid is left - amounts are hidden.

monero almost doubled since i last bought

Mochi101: of course you can tell me. if they weren't hidden, i wouldn't have to ask

you just need to sign a proof with your kool key.

.faucet

h​mmp: How many digits do humans norm​ally have on 1 hand

5

hmmp: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000029 XMR to hmmp [c7c0e7ec] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01598957

Bill48105, maybe it should use Monero trivia as a Captcha

:P

minko.to used to do that

F

i said it before but i miss xmr.to

they were legends

Have you ever tried monero.win ?

looks completely different

It's a different game.

not useful

why?

Win Monero by guessing what the last digit of the next Monero block hash will be!

do you know what xmr.to was

plinko

oooh

oops

lol

brain fart

the captcha questions could be anything

technically could be channel specific

That was some serious wire-crossing... sorry shabash

Bill48105, yeah

i actually added a bunch of new ones today

Right on Bill48105, glad you're still working on it.

.faucet

Mo​chi101: How ma​ny letters in SOON

4

Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000014 XMR to Mochi101 [22ac9aaa] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01598817

.balance

Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000014 XMR (≈0 USD)

hehehe

.tip Wallet all

Mochi101: Ooops! Not enough in your balance..

I'll wait.

.faucet

​azy: 2, 4​, __, 8

6

azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000019 XMR to azy [f41a6730] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01598627

.balance

azy: • Your balance is: 0.0001808 XMR (≈0.06 USD)

oooh... very difficult ones now bi

Bill48105,

yeah it even tried to trick me with the double _

sneaky bastard

jeese!

i wonder if there's some children's learning tool that could be scraped, like a list of objects and their typical colours

what colour is a leaf? green

Bill48105, maybe you should do stuff like "Walk to the bathroom and touch the doorknob."

Of course, without verification.

You will DO what Monero tells you to do. You will JUMP when you are told to jump. And most importantly you will DISCONNECT whoever Scientology^H^H^H^H^H I mean Mnero tells you to disconnect. Otherwise you WILL end up like lh1008 here:

monerologs.net/monero-community/20210114#c181614 And you will do it all for FREE. Because Monero is open souce :D Just like Linux is there to pay for $700k watches that Torvalds wears.

Did you know that all witdraw-buyer-seller-depoist chains are trackable in Monero? No? You should have read Breaking Monero. How many people are you endangering with your 'privacy' coin?

“I thought, ‘I’m going to pump it and dump it,’ because I was interested and taking the ideas and implementing them in bitcoin. The bitcoin code base was far more interesting to me than monero, and I thought, ‘I’m not going to work on this codebase, it’s terrible,'” he recalls - fluffypony in an interview about Monero

Pamp eet

i wonder who's behind all of these spooky messages

needmoney90: Let me quote your hero. 'How do I ban FUK? AAAHHHH I don't remember. youtube.com/watch?v=mdLfkhxIH5Q Keep tryin' champion.

ouch

Why does the Saviour of NASA take a group achievement award and present it as a proof of individual glory? twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683

oh new text.

Norwegian police are trying to flag a BTC address for containing proceeds of crime. That's the second time they have done it.

I know a wallet that has 1600 btc in it, directly related to stolen trades....

can't one trace the IP addresses of unique transactions?

how extensive is the blockchain explorer?

not from the chain

if there is some possible way I would love to know.

because if I can correlate it to two phone numbers I'd have about 3 vectors pointing to a specific county in Miami...

you'd need to be the exchange

or have access to their info

I think you would have had to get some investigation to look at internet traffic metadata at the time the tx was submitted - and it would depend on how they submitted it. e.g. a big diff between sending a tx from your local client to some public node (that node then has the IP the tx came from), versus someoen using TOR and a tx-ppushing service ...

you guys checking doged

i knew ripple was beginning to sink and doge was spiking. damn it.

no but those trades did not occur on an exchange

they were private transactions its odd that one can't trace IP addreses of BTC transactions on the explorer?

honestly, that's odd. How "open ledger" is that really?

Do you also secretly wisth your mother was Howard's groupie? reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/bxl87y…s_since_monero_was_released/eq7qior

Anybody around with some free time on their hands to help beta-test my new testnet-only Monero learner's web wallet and give some feedback? monerotech.info/Wallet

send me testnet coins 9zc8jHTSjSZL3jdrpo2vpYj6StchMJ8DvF11Au81TiYJegYAfEjRtbZgxm2tL8VzkqVBYoA9ucRjFG4TZhmBggtvHYV324a

What do you need help with rbrunner ?

Basically as I wrote: Beta testing - does the damn stuff work? And feedback - what is confusing, what is nice, what would you like to change, what are you missing

You need a faucet.

:D

Testnet coins on their way, will arive over the next 3 blocks, with 3 outputs each.

Faucet. I got your stinking faucet :) Menu point "Request funds"

received

Alright, good

oh I see your faucet.

pretty stingy

.1 max?

I'm so poor that I can't even be testnet rich...

Yes, every 5 minutes.

Maybe I am too pessimistic now, but I want to be ready for people who want to do mischief like emptying the faucet, or even attack outright

Like our "Howard's groupie" friend above.

This is for educational purposes?

Yes, mostly.

xmr.to rate limits their faucet based on ip address and wallet address (I think)

But I guess it can come handy also for some tests, with that faucet for example. Or test transactions with several outputs.

Yes, there are certainly other ways to limit.

require a selfie of the person claiming from the faucet while they hold up personal documents

But it's mostly symbolic, with Monero's high divisibility you can do much already with 0.1 XMR

rbrunner, maybe have 'hover over' explanations for everything.

So if you hover over 'locked balance' it explains why it's locked and stuff.

and if you hove over 'explore' is explains a bit about seeing your tx on the chain

That's an idea. I have now this (i) links, and I can certainly make more of them.

I seen those... do people actually click them?

:D

Roger, over.

Over what?

rbrunner, the thing about the (i) thing is that it opens in another tab

Over Under, Roger.

annoying as FUK

Yeah, but this way I don't have to worry about mobile which has no hoover.

You're using jquery anyways...

Yes, but only very sparingly.

I see

And the explanations themselves can have links again without problems.

But I will think about it.

Even moneromooo could have a look, over tor, and with JavaScript off :)

Just the auto-refresh on the wallet page does not work with JavaScript off

Fire propagation, as in "burn down those spammers" :)

Show wallet config doens't do anything AFAICT.

No, in-game fire special event :)

Do you already have a wallet open?

I created one.

Not open I guess.

Should be open after create ...

Nope, nothing.

Gets me the main page.

Oh, you might need cookies ?

Yes, for the session management, and keeping track about open wallets.

That's a bit much, working on top of it all also without any cookies :)

Ah yes, I get a new page after create now.

But nice test of course, did not have the idea myself to test with cookies forbidden

Receiced 2 hours ago, sounds a bit much, even with 2min/30s, which would mean 30 min, I creted it like 5 minutes ago.

(in show outputs)

The wallet is trying to steal your funds moneromooo

:o

rbrunner, maybe have a link that makes a tx from the wallet to some other 'house' wallet.

Or provide a house address that the user can send to.

instead of having to create two wallets and transfer between them.

Would you see that as usefule? Just to see how outgoing transactions look, then, right?

yes

Maybe not useful for us... but someone who is totally new... probably.

Alright, no problem to add such an address to the address selector on the "Make transaction" page

any globee customer here ?

look at DOGE vs XRP. total interlaced pump n dump

<xdctbanows "You will DO what Monero tells yo"> If your looking for a crypto cult go onto twitter and search #bitcoin

usernetinternet: It's a bot made by a bunch of butt hurt people, don't bother even interacting with those.

Where would you recommend buying Monero from? Or should I buy another crypto then convert?

cryptonewb69: kraken

Will Monero go up 10x in a week like Doge?

no

yes, but only for a split second, and everyone will assume somebody fat-fingered an order

Should I buy Ethereum or Tron?

kek

what a question

Buy Doge

yes, buy into the pump and eventual crash :p

I don't want to lose all my money.

buy high, sell low

Is it a bad idea to hold Monero?

yes, terrible

buy cripple instead...

What about Binance Coin?

Or Ethereum Classic?

sure, buy it all...

that too

Surely these are good investments.

buy a lot of it

the very best

go nuts

<portsilver[m] "Or Ethereum Classic?"> is this really the peak? I was planning for a bit longer but I guess it's time

Mate: Yes it's the peak, what are you selling into?

The peak of the bullrun

not monero

why is their price talk in this channel

there

Look at the history it's all just spam at this point

didn't used to be

so sad

new people flooding in from twitter and youtube, complete mess

there is monero-markets for price talk

This is how you know a coin is about to take off.

"The team is awash with money, paying no attention to price"

Have any of you used localmonero? What is it like buying XMR from there?

nc1236[m]: i've sold monero there a few times for uk bank transfer. works pretty well, but if you're buying people might ask to see some proof of id :/

Asking for proof of ID for Monero seems insane.

<asymptotically "nc1236: i've sold monero there a"> +1 - kyc started being a thing for most vendors ...

"Hi. I don't get this Monero thing. Show me your ID so I can get out."

"I'm unloading this cryptocurrency because it doesn't act like BTC or a pump-and-dump coin."

That's my guess about requiring ID to buy Monero in localmonero.

That, or feds, I guess.

Interesting

Yeah, that kind of defeats the whole purpose of localmonero. If I want to get KYC'd I'll go to Kraken or something

at least I'll be getting fair prices there

if I ever sell XMR on localmonero, I won't be requiring ID unless I'm absolutely required to

nc1236[m]: You should sell some Monero to me in person, then.

This there is a bisq fork in the works

Yeah, Haveno.

or something like that

Should be ready in time for the bear

I'm interested in ways to get from cash to Monero without any financial tracking to tie it all together. That seems like a fun game.

RAR, BEAR

I have seen many people start to work on Haveno since it was announced

i donated an undisclosed amount lmao

Me2

You could donate to my nonprofit association.

bisq devs refuse to listen to the community, so now we'

* bisq devs refuse to listen to the community, so now we're taking matters into our own hands

great

how so?

Should have a better idea of timeframe at nect meeting in <2weeks

*next

why does haveno not have the git history from bisq? :(

asy we talked about this already :DD

I'd like to see haveno either get rewritten with a better license or changed to include a library with an incompatible license.

selsta: i missed it ;_;

just for fun

People actually sell their Monero?

people buy many thing with monero, if you know what I mean

Mochi101: How could you buy it if someone wasn't selling?

shorters keep a lid on the price so others get a chance to buy in

this is not financial advice

<spammer> mentioned this issue X hours ago

is there a way to prevent this spam?

guess you can't keep people from forking your repo...

no

we can only block them

People shouldn't be upset about forks.

Either they're good, and maybe the original can benefit from it, or they're bad, and it doesn't matter.

apotheon: we are talking about spammers

that use cross repo linking to spam the repo

I'm not sure how forking a repo is related to spammers, but okay.

Oh, I see.

Yeah, that does seem annoying.

Okay, forget what I said.

.usd

spam and bot detection is still very primitive on the web

hello looking for help regarding  my monero gui wallet. I'm a noob and sent money to my wallet despite not understanding how to get the daemon to fully download.

But it's easy! youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w

stuckdaemon: by "daemon to fully download" do you mean downloading and syncing the blockchain?

You run it, and you let it run. If you have a HDD, it may be a week. If you have a HDD, it will be a few hours, maybe up to half a day.

yes!

You need ~100 GB for the chain, unless you set it to prune, in which case you need ~35 GB.

You probably want to use --use-dns-blocklist to avoid getting snared in sybils.

stuckdaemon, your XMR is still there... nothing to worry about.

When you're all synced up it'll show in your wallet.

the last time it got set up fully, it never synced either so I was also worried about that and if anyone knew how to fix that

oi it's synchronized right now! just checked

Wallet still says XMR 0

It might do that if your refresh-from-block-height is set after your original tx. Which it should not be, but it looks like it's a common problem.

Should be somewhere in the options, I believe.

17:36 < moneromooo> You run it, and you let it run. If you have a HDD, it may be a week. If you have a HDD, it will be a few hours, maybe up to half a day.

That second use of HDD should be SSD.

moneromooo: where can I see the dns blocklist?

Oh yes, thanks.

(just to help clear up confusion for the new user)

dig -t TXT blocklist.moneropulse.se

Wait. That ain't working. Gimme a min...

is that blocklist domain hardcoded?

apotheon okay thank you:)   and moneromooo What do you mean but refresh from block height?

stuckdaemon: your wallet has to scan the blockchain to find transactions that belong to it

if you scan from a date past a transaction, it won't find it

dig -t txt blocklist.moneropulse.net

workse for me

Ah okay, that makes sense. I'll search for a refresh button of sorts

.se works too

Oh, ok. It's not hardcoded, it's on DNS records.

My DNS probably borked then.

>It is not recommended unless in emergency situations.

do we have an emergency?

where does it say that?

that's the opinion of the author IMO

you don't have to use it and we have no emergency situation

It works on some VMs, not others...

but the block list contains known malicious / spy nodes that log IP addresses so IMO there is nothing wrong with always blocking them

should I change out-peers or keep the default?

I run my nodes with default

<selsta "I run my nodes with default"> +1

i hate my life

left scp running overnight transferring the blockchian

why?

came back right now to check

lost connection at 60%

doing rsync now

so i dont go full retard again and want to kill myself

you were transferring the file over?

yes

from my laptop to a server

pruned or full?

full

scp hey

can't you resume a partial scp transfer?

:D

Why didn't you just set up FTP?

idk i asked here they said use scp or rsync lol

bleh

scp is deprecated according to openssh devs

use sftp or rsync

yeah im using rsync now

so even if the connection drops

hopefully it will work fine

idk im new to this shit

lol Mochi101 wonder how many people would really go touch the doorknob

That's quite the lag you have Bill48105.

.val xmr

abcdefg_irssi: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈338.34 • ccc/Kraken: ≈$338.17 24HΔ: -0.96% Vol: 34.77K [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$338.5 24HΔ: -0.35% 7DΔ: 20.68314% [< 10m]

.val doge

Mochi101: DOGE -> USD • Avg: ≈$0.339 • altm: 0.24583935 Vol: 20.89K 24HΔ: +68.78% [0m] • ccc/binanceusa: ≈$0.3349 24HΔ: 122.38% Vol: 5.21B [0m] • cmc: ≈$0.3431 24HΔ: 147.77% 7DΔ: 459.68% [< 11m]

oops

33 cent doge... hahahaha

33? Is it down?

It was 36 last I saw.

Dumping

yeah... I more or less just made a point of saying it out loud in case someone isn't paying attention in here and has massive bags of it.

.val doge

fibonacci: DOGE -> USD • Avg: ≈$0.3396 • altm: 0.24583935 Vol: 20.89K 24HΔ: +68.78% [0m] • ccc/binanceusa: ≈$0.3361 24HΔ: 123.17% Vol: 5.23B [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$0.3431 24HΔ: 147.77% 7DΔ: 459.68% [< 18m]

.val bch

fibonacci: BCH -> USD • Avg: ≈1069.07 • ccc/binanceusa: ≈$1083.14 24HΔ: 28.6848% Vol: 481.57K [< 2m] • cmc: ≈$1054.99 24HΔ: 25.83036% 7DΔ: 64.83949% [< 19m]

.xmr

fibonacci: ≈$338.7802 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm

I have about six cents of Dogecoin, apparently.

Kinda regret not saving that 13 million coins

Regret is growing on me tho.. it's kinda fun now

hmm

shoulda given it to me

I'd give some back as a thank-you at this point.

Cashcoin was a better project anyway just not as profitable

And losing everything builds character

Yea that's it..

I have too much character.

Maybe I should trade some for millions of dollars.

. . . and spend much of that on Monero.

I'm waiting for the next crash. It should be fun.

Don't forget to Fomo... crash may never come

har

There's always a crash. The question is whether it'll drop below 60K USD.

I'd love to wonder whether monero will ever drop below 60k USD.

har

I just use BTC USD valuation as my proxy for "the cryptocurrency market".

hypes and panics

It's a game, unlike Monero.

yesterday: doge is dead

now: should have invested in doge

yesterday: Dogecoin is annoying.

today: Dogecoin is annoying and worth a lot more.

doge is designed for hyperinflation lol

goes to show how insane this market is atm

hi

i am glad to hear that Sarang will be returning to Monero research

It appears that there is almost universal consensus that he focus his efforts on multisig

is this a very hard problem?

<TrooperZ> anyone know how to setup xmrig on an old samsung s4

TrooperZ: you can compile it in termux but it won't be worth the time

As far as I understand, it's only engineering.

That is, it's known it can be done, and the method is understood.

<TrooperZ> i mean the phone most likely will draw 5 watts

<TrooperZ> but yeah ig ur right

<TrooperZ> i tried getting xmrig running on an intel atom cpu from a 9 year old laptop

<TrooperZ> 0.2 hashes per second

TrooperZ: if you spend the time setting it up at just about any job, you'll have made more money

nice :D i have an old pentium 4 i want to run xmrig on and submit a benchmark for

found this thing today: uplexa.com

<TrooperZ> im mining on this i7-5500u laptop, 1kh/s drawing 30 watts

Monero fork for running on IoT devices

who developed that apotheon

somebody

dunno

oh i see they have a team page

jesus

V mask for their "lead marketing contributor"

furries on the dev team

does monero have any furries on the dev team

trans furry

nothing wrong with those

uhhh

moneromoo o is a cow if that makes you happy

It's a little weird that the team page is so Twitter-heavy, and that half the core team is LinkedIn-bragging.

I don't give a shit about being a furry. I don't give a shit about being trans (unless it's transhuman, in which case that's kinda cool). I care about the fact that a privacy cryptocurrency is being represented by people advertising themselves on the team page as being a big deal on LinkedIn.

best place to buy with no id verification?

meatspace

depends, though

What do you want to use to buy it -- USD, USDT, BTC . . . ?

xmr, eth, zec

With no ID involved at any step of the way, probably withdraw USD from an ATM then buy Monero in person, in meatspace, with USD.

err

You want to buy XMR with XMR . . . ?

that's ideal

buying xmr with xmr

That's easy.

no need for the meatspace then

right

No, with fiat

fiat in meatspace, then

if tether can buy tether with tether then why not?

Yes! buy tether! Unlimited Tether Works!

most secure against records

other than buying XMR with XMR

apotheon its using a cryptonight algo for mining

<apotheon "With no ID involved at any step "> In person?

if im not misunderstanding that is not very ASIC resistant or am I wrong

abcdefg_irssi: I don't know much about that.

cryptonewb69[m]: Yeah. Use a localmonero site, I guess, to find someone who wants to deal.

. . . if you can.

You might have to take a road trip, depending on where you are.

There are ways to do it online with minimal risk of being tracked, but I don't know how complicated that gets, and I haven't done it myself.

bisq

you can do bisq

mail cash

If you don't care about someone knowing you acquired Monero, you can just get IDed for the purchase of something like USDT or Ethereum or whatever, then buy Monero, but I get the impression you don't want ID at any step.

same on localmonero

or bank deposit

abcdefg_irssi: Does bisq support cash-by-mail payments?

I believe so

huh

I thought it was just an online swap thing.

I always just did btc > XMR

they have options for in person on bisq but its not used

I see.

What exactly is different about Haveno as opposed to Bisq, by the way? I'm still not clear on the details.

(other than "not released yet", apparently)

I think bisq defaults to BTC swaps

so its based on BTC as in BTC swapping to another crypto

but they offer BTC>XMR

Is the plan for Monero to default to Monero swaps?

I think haveno would be XMR> other cryptos

I see.

I believe so but I'm not positive

I guess that could be useful for cases when some vendor takes some cryptocurrencies, but not Monero.

do people still buy crypto in person? a couple years ago before i knew anything about monero i would meet up with some randos through localbitcion at a starbucks and buy bitcoin with cash. i guess that might be kind of sketchy now but i really wish there is a local monero guy where i am

yeah

yes

I've done it before

I want a local Monero guy.

for large amounts

both ways

old fashion is still mining some shitcoin at your house, then trading that for XMR

<apotheon "I want a local Monero guy."> when the gov't bans monero i'll need a guy

If you live in the right city its not hard to find people willing to buy crypto for cash

bitcoin at least for sure

monero is a little harder because its not as well known

<cryptonewb69[m] "when the gov't bans monero i'll "> fellow miners are almost always an option - regardless of the coin they mine, you can usually ask them for a swap

<abcdefg_irssi "monero is a little harder becaus"> localbitcoins used to have an "in person" tab. it would be so helpful if localmonero has that

I think it does?

When I used it I only did in person

just look for people in your area

abcdefg_irssi: In some ways, I think you mean "if you live in the wrong city", because those cities tend to be places overrun with surveillance, from what I've seen.

apotheon: bisq had btc default trading pair and would not add monero even though it made up the bulk of their volume. You also had to have a security deposit in btc

apotheon sure, but if you don't then there are less people willing to buy/sell crypto for cash

Also they use a token on their site, Haveno will have no token

The in person thing for localmonero is annoying. It only seems to allow for fiat<->Monero.

bobbieweirder if you can't find someone offering monero just buy btc then use bisq to swap to xmr or tradeogre

I mean, that's cool and all, but it'd be nice if it was more flexible.

<abcdefg_irssi "I think it does?"> how do you do that? i am only seeing online offers :/

apotheon you can contact the seller and see if they will do the trade with you, but you might not be able to use escrow in that case

Choose local

Vs online

nioc: Oh, that BTC security deposit is lame.

Click "all online offers" scroll down to Cash (local)

nioc: oh wow i am an idiot. thank you LOL

Local you put in approximate coordinates

i also idiot

the issue i have with localmonero is most sellers lack the liquidity at least where i am

the demand for buying far exceedes the demand to sell

nobody in my area unfortunately lol it still gets me to mailing cash

and most sell at 5% above market

well youre probably stuck mailing cash unless you wanna btc atm it

i mean they are probably just buying from an exchange and marking it up right?

no

the guy i know doesn't use any KYC exchange at all

they can face a lot of scrutiny

abcdefg_irssi: honestly it even sketches me out if they are really advertising for in person sales. cops can hit them up just as easily as we can and you don't want to get busted like that. i would hate for people to get in trouble selling XMR

Cryptocurrency ATMs in the US require ID, generally.

They certainly do for substantial quantities.

<abcdefg_irssi "the guy i know doesn't use any K"> how?

bisq?

mining, probably

👍️

abcdefg_irssi: even my old BTC guy stopped doing meetups and starting setting up BTC ATMs after a while. it was legitimate and he could mark it up SO MUCH more

he runs into liquidity issues

I don't really ever buy from him

But he is constantly running out

whatever he does its kind of wild

In person is much better

As long as you don't have to deal with someone who asks for IDs

if they ask for an ID i would just walk away

"Do you have an ID ?" "Sure, $3k per ID. Let me see if I5~ have one that looks like you"

right

6XMR per ID

this week

Hey, I've got the monero gui downloaded on my desktop (Mac os 64bit) and I'm having trouble viewing my funds. I sent some bitcoin through fixedfloat and to my monero wallet and I can't seem to get it to show up. I even tried opening the wallet on a different computer in just simple mode. Anyone know what the problem is here? I googled this and I

see I'm not alone

Do you have a txid for the incoming monero ?

Yes! 0b9dba2f0ac3ee408932e18f11699f7382224b0dda27d965d344ce73ac16dd23

Looks like it's mined. Go to options, look for somehting called "refresh from block height" or similar. What value does it have ?

wheremymoney: can you go to Settings -> Info and share your "wallet restore height"?

Might be called something like "restore from height" or the like.

If you really are ultra shizo and want zero trace to monero, buy some bcash on an exchange, do about 50 cash shuffles and cash fusions and then rent some hashpower on an online service to aquire some

selsta: do you know if the GUI just calls the same code as monero-wallet-cli to set this up ?

set up what exactly?

The value of "wallet restore height".

it does not use the same function to approximate the restore height

I have a feeling this question has come up before...

but I have never been able to reproduce the "funds do not show up" issue...

moneromooo I got it!! Thank you so much kind stranger

Nice :)

Do you remember whether you had the daemon up and running when you create that wallet, by any chance ?

And if it was running, was it synced already ?

This will help track down the bug.

during wallet creation the GUI does not connect to the daemon yet so it always approximates the restore height

Ah.

but I don't think that is the issue

usually the reported restore height is fine

dont call me a lag!

moooooooooooo

.val xmr

abcdefg_irssi: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈345.64 • ccc/Kraken: ≈$345.25 24HΔ: -0.31% Vol: 37.1K [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$346.03 24HΔ: 1.04% 7DΔ: 24.04536% [< 8m]

ooooooning

Is there any way to predict if the price of XMR is going to dip?

crystal ball

hehehe

I ask the bot.

.usd

If there was a way, people would front run it up to the point where the price would match the expected price, so the price would quickly get to the future price, thereby negating the possibility.

So, no.

Unless only people who can't trade can. But in that case, those people would sell theit service to people who can for a fee.

Presumably a fee which would be close to what others can extract from such a prediction.

So in that case, it would also moot the possibility.

The only case where it's theoretically possible is in a non free market. Like the govt sets the price, knows what price changes will happen, but will jail anyone who trades based on that knowledge.

Or similar cases ofc.

<moneromooo "So, no."> I was going to see if I should buy some other crypto in exchange of XMR ─ if this is the case I will just keep the dosh.

You're thinking about this too hard, I just flip a coin! One side for go up one side for go down!

Or cases where the party being able to tell cannot affect the market for another reason.

<jj1013[m] "I was going to see if I should b"> I lost some money in trades anyways.

Everyone does sooner or later.

I thought buying/selling every few days when the price is on a local low/high was clever. Turns out I lost out.

Because of this very reason. I cannot predict long term :)

Yay! They list the price of NANO.

The problem is... it's HTTP, not HTTPS.

Yeah, so everyone knows what the price is too. Shame.

<moneromooo "I thought buying/selling every f"> Huh... so that's why my dad lost money when trading fiat!

oh noez they're going to mitm you and tell you that nano is actually worth something :D

<asymptotically "oh noez they're going to mitm yo"> The only thing going for it is the fees and speed.

meme incoming

Whee, jfif. Blast from the past...

There's only one way to predict if the price is going to dip...

"Is it monero ? If yes, it will drop."

It's when you have a huge bag of XMR and dump it yourself

<nioc "usercontent.irccloud-cdn"> Based AFAIK.

Hmm. That's a good point....

Or when you're an exchange and announce delisting...

... but then short it, set a buy order low, then long and say "just kidding" ?

Is there any instant non-KYC exchanges out there (crypto-to-crypto)? I may have heard ChangeNow does not need KYC for crypto-to-crypto, but that info may be wrong based on what they did a few months ago.

Also, for anybody who asks how much I will trade, I have less than 10 USD, so nobody will care about my poverty... surely.

tradeogre

idk if you can do less than 10 usd there but i think so

<abcdefg_irssi "tradeogre"> Does that need a registered account?

just email

jj1013.: kucoin

sideshift, pretty good

Makes me think... I had found a site which listed various exchanges with criteria like "does kyc from time to time", etc. Can't recall the URL. Rings a bell ?

Not only exchanges IIRC.

kycnot.me

fixedfloat tends to have the best rates

no KYC

oooh, that's the one I think, thank you :)

<bobbieweirder[m] "jj1013.: kucoin"> > Enters KuCoin

<pyu "kycnot.me"> Some of them scratch "Buy", what does it mean that you can't buy?

they are referring to fiat buys

<[r|y`a_n] "they are referring to fiat buys"> Ooo. I see.

<pyu "kycnot.me"> Hey, I didn't know LocalMonero needed KYC!!!

localmonero dont, but some sellers ask for it

I think it depends who you trade with.

<asymptotically "localmonero dont, but some selle"> Ah.

you should move off local monero after the first or second trade with someone amyways

ditch the escrow that charges a fee

unless the person youre dealing with is just a complete scumbag

but then why deal with them

localmonero some sellers want kyc depending on how you buy

Has anybody checked ETH's latest gas fees?

jj1013.: predicting markets is impossible, just find coins with fundamentals - monero having the best in my opinion

<usernetinternet[ "jj1013.: predicting markets is i"> Remind you XMR is my main coin, I don't have fiat.

jj1013.: there was a flash crash today, causing a lot of contracts to liquidate

jj1013.: based and bankless pilled

<jj1013[m] "Has anybody checked ETH's latest"> Just read ─ gas fees still are high.

Though I don't remember what was the common one.,

Eternally high gas fees

"100 USD fees"... and I have less than quarter of that.

wtf matrix now requires an email to make accounts

God help them.

Yep.

<floralshoppe[m] "wtf matrix now requires an email"> Use the chat.privacytools.io instance.

Easy peasy.

Cool, thanks for sharing. One could also self-host, or get a freedombox.org

Well, strange. Somebody praised Dash for its "stable" price, but it's at 300 USD right now.

What's the deal?

.val xmr

abcdefg_irssi: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈345.95 • ccc/Kraken: ≈$345.95 24HΔ: 0.53% Vol: 37.96K [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$345.94 24HΔ: 0.11% 7DΔ: 23.53789% [< 1h]

It is quite high right now. I remember my money being about 5 USD.

Self hosting is the way to go, spinning up a matrix server is extremely easy

bunch of activity lately

That is why I was talking about trading it away. Because of the spike.

best crypto for investment time of 2 months? about $900

ugh rsync lost connection now idk whats going on with my server

resuming it is just hanging after i verify my ssh key password

not connecting

just sitting there

doing nothing

blankly staring at me

nvm it works now im just impatient

<cryptonewb69[m] "best crypto for investment time "> could someone share their thoughts on this

just got a sweet sweet sweet domain

sethsimmons are you fine with it? fungibility.fail

<cryptonewb69[m] "could someone share their though"> I wouldn't get involved in crypto with a 2 month timeframe. It's been a record bullrun where everyone thinks their a genius because they picked anything

<entry1 "I wouldn't get involved in crypt"> sums it up nicely

> <@cirocosta:matrix.org> just got a sweet sweet sweet domain

> sethsimmons are you fine with it? fungibility.fail

Oh hell yes, nice find

Would love to use that when I spin up the static site if you don't mind, happy to pay for it

are .fail domains special?

<sethsimmons "Would love to use that when I sp"> sure! absolutely, I have no use for it

I have my eye on one

<cryptonewb69[m] "are .fail domains special?"> I got it through `godaddy`, nothing special, one of those owned by Donuts

see their list icannwiki.org/Donuts

thanks for the info

Miners need to set up a service to clean coins. BTC holder makes a tx that includes a small amount of BTC and the amount that he wants cleaned as the TX fee. The TX is announced only to the pool providing the service. Pool includes this TX in a block that it mines and receives the very large TX fee from coinbase.

Pool returns the client the coins less a TX fee... clean coins.

about to buy one for like $3

(the one I was looking at before)

This was not an accident, it was washing BTC: news.bitcoin.com/an-unknown-user-in…ction-fees-when-sending-btc-worth-1

ouch

You just need to trust that the miner will give you your BTC back. :D

louipc, no ouch... he probably had a deal with the miner and got clean coins back.

that would be cool

<Mochi101 "Miners need to set up a service "> Btc maxis only care about line go up

* Btc maxis only care about line go up

They have already sold out to the banks

* Btc maxis only care about line go up

They have already sold out to the banks

* Btc maxis only care about line go up.

They have already sold out to the banks

Don't spam please.

I think you'll see institutional investors start doing stuff like this with teir coins.

"Just making sure they're pristine"

Like refining gold.

Yeah kevin o' something or whatever called bitcoins mined in china 'bloodcoins'

The risk would be that these blocks with huge amounts of TX fees are flagged. And all coinbase coins coming from those blocks are tainted.

I belive 85%+ of bitcoins hashrate is linked to chinese mining farms currently (if u count hong kong as china, which u probably could at this point)

But that just becomes stupidity... and you have a useless currency.

moneromooo: its a flaw in matrix irc bridge.. when someone edits their message it spams IRC

Mochi101: i think rhe biggest attack not mentioned it the fact that because all tx are visible, compliant mining pools can exclude txs

There's a mining operation that will only include certain types of txs already.

Its easy to imagine a world where over 51% of hashrate states they wont mine ontop of blocks with noncompliant txs

It would force even non compliant miners to mine only compliant txs

it'd just fork off at that point.

At this point i fear the complaint one would be considered legit

Who would want to transact on a network like that.

This is one of the main reasons i a so bullish on monero

Mining pools are quickly going to be the avenue of attack

All hashing algorithms are under threat except asic resistant ones

* This is one of the main reasons i am so bullish on monero

* All hashing algorithms are under threat except asic resistant ones are under threat

Call me blackpilled but i really see a time coming where CBDCs destroy the privacy and freedom of all good people of this world

Monero honestly is this worlds only hope

usernetinternet: not blackpilled at all. i think the writing is on the wall

hello

what's a good actual exchange

shapeshift is not what it used to be

bobbieweirder: we can only hope there is a critical mass of people who demand feedom

Ive given over $200 in xmr out to people i have met personally and tried to xmr pill - a lot for me

I have found that giving out like $1 worth for free is the best way to get someone interested

z|bandito: i think the consensus on no KYC from discussion above is bisq or tradeogre

why is monero ocean down?

usernetinternet: someone mentioned on reddit to tip uber drivers and bartenders with paper wallets loaded with XMR

bobbieweirder: best way to introduce somone at a bar is to give them a drinks worth and then have them send it to you

Gives them the impression that it is useable as a currency and only costs you in fiat terms

* bobbieweirder: best way to introduce somone at a bar is to give them a drinks worth and then have them send it to you

Gives them the impression that it is useable as a currency and only costs you in fiat terms

sounds like a cult mate

yanmaani: best way to learn how something works is to let them use it

usernetinternet: send a drinks worth of of xmr?

it sounds way too involved for a bar setting if they don’t already have it set up

honestly at this point i’m even having trouble getting enough XMR for myself. it’s such a pain in the ass to get it

no, to get adoption you need people who have some use for it

the canonical example would be drug markets

also anyone else who gets bothered by Chainalysis etc

bobbieweirder: basically if a drink cost x amount set them up with a wallet with x amount

Then have them send x amound to your walley and then pay for the next drink

Introduces them to using it as a currency, a lot of people still think of crypto as not real currency

introducing it to random people on the street is literal cult behavior

what about godex.io?

thanks for the suggestions

yanmaani: its hard to introduce people to a solution to a problem (chain analysis) when they are unaware of the problem in the 1st place

usernetinternet[: yes, that's why you introduce it to people who have the problem and are aware of it

I tried explaining block timings to some guy who never heard of crypto one time and he thought i was trying to scam him or something

it's like if you've started a web hosting business. you don't hawk it to random people on the street, you go on web hosting forums and make a thread

it's ridiculous to pitch monero to people in a bar, just leave them alone

yanmaani: i think monero needs to be adopted by the avg person

usernetinternet[: yes fine sure, but to do that it first has to be adopted by everyone vaguely technical

the obvious use-cases for a technology is people who have a need for it

(i.e. all web hosting providers who accept crypto, everyone who pays people's wages in it, etc)

yanmaani: everyone needs privacy, even the avg person

usernetinternet[: that's not a valid reason to hassle random strangers in a bar

z|bandito: US?

try kraken

otherwise, try literally anything

tradeogre is crypto to crypto only

if you have crypto and want monero, tradeogre is fine

yea us, kraken says it doesn't need kyc then proceeds to ask for it ... =\

z|bandito: do you want to exchange fiat?

ultimately yea, not today tho

if you just want crypto -> crypto, use tradeogre

it's been a dumb 24 hours with multiple fiat bank delays and a trip to the dmv plus multiple accounts that don't actually do what i want ;)

yanmaani: its not like im going up to random people and harassing them about xmr, its just that bars are a good place to introduce new people to new ideas

yeah I was gonna hodl my eth and do a buy

but who knows.. maybe i should just play with the eth

z|bandito: nooo that’s what they want! lol

haha

z|bandito: do you have your eth on kraken now?

no

I mined it a couple of years ago and so had a few hoops to jump through to get access back to it

so I could mint nfts ;) opensea.io/assets/0x495f947276749ce…05043098385490514501973697565294692

youtu.be/UYagQuqK31s reminder this is what the fiat system allows, pyscopaths in gov can kill 500,000 without regret

Monero is the only crypto that can take away power from this mass killers