There are 900 new bitcoins mined every day, so far only 1200 bitcoins are locked on the btc lightning network - 0.005743% of the total supply

The liquid network is literally a dead chain, i looked om a block explorer yesterday and say 3 transactions over the whole hour

liquid is something else I think

unrelated to lightning

selsta: liquid is meant to be a sidechain

i don't know if lightning will end up working / getting adopted

but if it does it would make sense for monero to also have it

Layer 2 solutions have not been adopted after years of existing on the pne chaim that does need it

Monero can scale

* Layer 2 solutions have not been adopted after years of existing on the one chaim that does need it

Monero can scale

* Layer 2 solutions have not been adopted after years of existing on the one chain that does need it

Monero can scale

I think the farcaster team brought up lightning for the purposes of xmr / btc swaps

Defi will be built out on lightning also

Monero fees drop with increased blocksize anyway

Something lightninglike could be useful some day, for (perhaps) different reasons than Bitcoin needs it, but it doesn't seem to be a concern yet, and probably needs greater practical adoption to be useful anyway.

I suspect anything like that would need to be implemented differently by then, in any case.

This is the background to the question

Hm, yeah, the alternate implementation ideas thing is probably important for that very reason.

How would the Monero network react if Monero usage suddenly exploded to that of Visa or Mastercard?

Plan99.net/~mike/satoshi-emails/thread1.html

Elon_Sat0shi: auto-adjustment in block size and so on

and hash rate

et cetera

Satoshi - btc can scale to visa levels with 2008 hardware

I think monero is fine

volantaryism1[m]: nice reference

I didn't get the reference

Its a archive of email correspondance of satoshi - he directly says that scaling is no issue

search for "Visa"

damn i timed out

The idea that cryptos cannot scale on layer 1 is gas lighting left over from the btc blocksize wars

Huh. If scaling is no issue, I wish they would scale. Bitcoin fees suck.

I'm sure the Bitcoin devs will get around to it... one of these days

Elon_Sat0shi: read about the bitcoin blocksize wars if you werent around then

alright

yeah, if they *wanted* to do it and it proved valuable to the chain, they'll get around to it... soon^tm

I'm still not clear on the motivations to do things the way they did. I imagine it probably had something to do with wanting to pump the price without relying on use as an actual currency, but I guess I haven't thought through the implications of the resulting decisions enough.

(in BTC, I mean)

volantaryism1[m]> Satoshi - btc can scale to visa levels with 2008 hardware <<>>> lololololol

it can't scale on 2021 hardware

nor can monero

That's a matter of weird engineering decisions in the blocksize wars rather than the limitations of BTC per se, though.

I also don't know the actual comparison between transaction frequency on the BTC blockchain and transaction frequency of (2008) Visa.

Pi 4s can handle 256mb btc blocks without giving out (see bch testnet)

That might be relevant.

Yeah, BCH seems to be doing okay.

I'm pretty sure Satoshi didn't expect what's happening today.

<apotheon "I also don't know the actual com"> Crypto is a competitor to visa when it comes to online payments i guess

Maybe I'm mistaken about something in this estimation of mine, though.

Maybe if Monero gets to where everyone is using it, the deflation will encourage people to not spend it a lot

I wonder whether there's a Nakam0to_Musk out there somewhere.

I've used Musk_Nakamoto as an alternative username

I see.

apotheon: i even saw that someone in bcash community designed a cheap chip that fits into the m2 slot that is specifically built for verifying transactions

Maybe Nakamot0_Musk would be better than Nakam0to_Musk.

It would verify around 1million txa per second

Also my nick is Sat0shi not Satoshi because #bitcoin bans anybody with "Satoshi" in their username

* It would verify around 1million txs per second

volantaryism1[m]: interesting

Because of people trying to claim they're actually Satoshi Nakamoto. (I'm not Satoshi)

It was pretty cheap too at around less than 50$ in parts

You could probably build an asic to verify that could verify the monero blockchain in seconds

Elon_Sat0shi: Are you Elon Musk?

No, I'm not Elon Musk, either.

If so, I was going to ask why Tesla isn't all-in on Monero.

Actually, Elon and Satoshi got into a transporter accident that fused them into me, Elon Satoshi. Please help me, Janeway wants to kill me.

Someone stop Janeway!

r/JanewayDidNothingWrong

or something like that

It was a very complicated transporter accident. I'm Nakamoto_Sisko.

Where's Guiker?

Actually, I'm kidding.

I'm Nakamoto Garak.

I know, you're actually Captain Jean-Luc Buterin right?

Elon_Sat0shi: No, definitely a simple tailor.

Garak Bigend

Oh okay. But are you friends with Julitalik Bushirin?

wow

I need to go before I get twisted in name-knots. Meatspace calls.

lol

Garak Mencken.

signing off

Satoshi this satoshi that... the real question who is nicolas van saberhagen lol

I'm reading afrikaiswoke.com/bitcoin-the-block-size-wars and how would a larger block size make Bitcoin centralized?

And is it a concern with Monero?

<Elon_Sat0shi "I'm reading afrikais"> Its actually the opposite, small blocks force people off chain onto custodial networks to avoid the sky high fees...

lol

Do you think coinbase would be worth so many billions if people could afford to take their bitcoin off it and actually use it?

I hope Kraken is better, I was thinking about buying monero there

Wikipedia says Kraken is actually a bank

There are also risks if the block size is too high.

Not sure if that makes any difference though (that Kraken is a bank)

What are the risks of high block size?

It's more nuanced than large block size = good

Can you ELI5?

selsta: such as?

What volantaryism1[m] said

it becomes more difficult for low powered nodes to stay in sync with the network, running a node behind Tor might also become an issue. AFAIK also higher block orphan rate etc.

Oh okay

especially due to the lower block time in monero

I like monero's approach. We will see how it turns out in practice.

selsta: the network doesnt need to accomodate people running nodes on devices with less processing power than a fridge

I bet fridges have better processing power than old DOS laptops

You want as many nodes as possible and not only high powered ones in centralized data centers / AWS

monero already had to deal with Sybil attacks

Obviously there has to be a balance. Bitcoins approach is too conservative IMO.

But just throwing large blocks at it also isn't the solution to all problems.

It literally is

The idea that consumer hardware cannot handle large blocks is gaslighing at best and a flat out lie at worst

We don't need raspberries to run nodes

Does Oxen have superior privacy to Monero?

no

Is Oxen new? I would say that Monero is more battle tested, even if Oxen has some interesting ideas. Do you think Oxen might have superior privacy to Monero? In what way?

Oxen is a monero fork with masternodes

Ohh, it used to be called Loki

I've heard of Loki/Oxen before

I thought the Session messenger was interesting. I never got around to trying out Lokinet (now called Oxennet??)

Perhaps they rebranded because Loki is a trickster god lol

Would you count a Raspberry as contributing to Monero if it were mining on a small pool?

Raspberry mining is useless due to missing hardware AES

ah okay

Would it be possible to make a pool server that somehow proxies to mining other pools? You could make a roundabout mining pool that mines on multiple random pools

Elon_Sat0shi: there are already mining proxies, see github.com/xmrig/xmrig-proxy

i dont know if it has functionality to switch between pools

but it's open source so someone could fork it to add that functionality

I thought xmrig-proxy was just some control system for multiple xmrig instances

Ooh maybe xmrig itself could be forked to add functionality for multiple pools

No pool proxy server needed

but... then each pool is going to have their own balance and their own minimum withdrawal that will never be reached

Unless there were some way for these pools to federate to have a shared account among them

i've never used it but if i understand correctly xmrig is a proxy for any miner using the stratum protocol, not necessarily just xmrig

but i could be wrong

and yeah you'd probably just want to pick a handful of proxies to rotate between to make sure you actually reach minimum withdrawal amounts

a handful of pools even

What is this stratum protocol?

Oh, just a protocol for mining?

yeah pretty much, protocol for pooled mining

originally developed for BTC i think, but also adapted to other coins

volantaryism1[m]: that depends on how large

consumer hardware cannot handle 1 TB blocks, obviously

if one runs a local node via the gui wallet, without mining, then is one helping the monero network?

talos: do you have incoming connections?

how? by spreading messages faster throughout the network? or increasing network robustness?

hmm how can I check that

the daemon log does not show much activity

talos: enter "status"

into daemon log

it will show you inc and out connections

i see!

i've got 12 out and 0 in

hmm so why would i have 0 incoming connections

port 18080 open on your router?

host firewall ?

i.e. SUSE Linux firewall-cmd --add-port=18080/tc or deb / ubunut with ufw

*tcp

i will look into these things thanks selsta and bicknell !

ufw allow 18080

hey there, I am new to the monero community and want some coins to play with

can anyone send me some

Macrosoft: you can use stagenet or testnet

has a stagenet / testnet faucet

but I want to get some mainnet coins, 0.005 xmr is appreciated

my wallet address is 8AcBPrQSVZyQVyYzQ1BGHaagu37M3tPfmX9bY2G96GCLHTeLn5PsK8nTRAAZpqL919g5Mi61kXxQyYqVNfMyvMBeAyWyTFx

any small amount of xmr is appreciated

I sent the smallest amount possible.

0

.ip 103.138.53.233

greater than 0 please

I am sure that someone would help me

Tell your story.

Bon't just beg with no background story.

Make it worth it for the sender.

I just bought xmr at the price of 340 usd

yesterday

FIY, you want to know why you are getting those daily messages? Cults NEED to control information. That's why people like lh1008 get savagly attacked (also called disconnection) for even talking to me. Break the information embargo, break the cult. Who would sign up to Scientology if they knew from the get-go that is is about a sci-fi alien overlord? Who would sign up to MAGA if they knew what a loser Trump is?

You don't sign up to MAGA to do a failed Viking LARP and some time off in club fed. You sign up because you feel like shit and they promise to give you self-respect. It is a total lie of course, you are still a joke even when cosplaying a Viking. Just like Monero's promise of privacy is a lie.

but it lowers to 90%

so yiu have enough to play with

you

Vpassion Technology Limited

Hong Kong

hehehe

That was quick.

how long does it take to prune the blockchain

abcdefg_irssi, depends on your system

do I need to delete the blockchain then run prune-blockchain to actually get a pruned blockchain

just ran it but the filesize is still 100gb

abcdefg_irssi, were you fully synced when you did it?

or is it still syncing?

Happy Moneroversary to everyone.

with the rise of bitcoin price, bitcoin transactions have become too expensive. isn't the same going to happen to monero?

on a ryzen 5, xmrig mines at 6+ kh/s (hugepages and 1gb pages turhed on) but monerod solo mining gets me only 4 kh/s

swrangsar, I think monero dynamically adapts block size, unlike bitcoin

you can mine solo with xmrig

swrangsar: fees decrease with blocksize

<yanmaani "consumer hardware cannot handle "> 1TB blocks are 10x the size of the entire chain currently, it is not happening any time soon

Hi, does the new "send to multiple addresses" feature in the gui have any privacy implications? Are multiple sends in one transaction easier to correlate or does it make no difference?

so what is fluf's net worth

that is like acolonoscopy

.

is jy 'n hotnot

ek kort geld help my juo knysna poes asseblief

2 miljoen en ek gee dit terug.

Do you think putting 100k into monero would be a good long term investment ?

what time frame are you aiming at?

An observer knows that three outputs were created by the same sender, rather than just two.

Only one is change, most likely. So the probability of these outputs being change is 1/3, not 1/2, absent other info.

I think that's pretty much it.

Meeting at 17:00 UTC today re: Triptych (in #monero-dev)

<RandomLurker "what time frame are you aiming a"> A few years

most definitely in my opinion, monero can go easily to 5k in bull case scenario

Why not 25k ?

thx moneromoo for answering. I have a practical example but I'm not sure about the privacy implications. Let's say i have a cold wallet that i want to make 3 transactions from. 1. to a kyc exchange, 2. to an address i want to remain anonymous and rest back to a new cold storage address. Are there negative impilications from doing this with one

transaction to all 3 compared to doing 3 separate txs?

25k would be double the market cap of ethereum. i think monero would need a massive eco system to get that much inflow

RandomLurker, it does have a massive ecosystem. It's just that it's so private that nobody knows about it.

Are we crashing to 0 bros

The sell out is real

<Mochi101 "Why not 25k ?"> Why not moon k?

* The sell off is real

OK broskis. Bottom opportunity buy go....

Nice hopium.

#monero-markets

Come on. Bottom prediction price for XMR for this bear run

Dropping to 260 imo

good picture but people with no experience with cryptos will probably not really understand what "shielded" means. Private or anonymous are more well known words.

<RandomLurker "good picture but people with no "> +1

.faucet

​azy: Snow White h​ad how many dwarfs

7

azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000045 XMR to azy [667ebafc] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01622741

almost said 8

.balance

azy: • Your balance is: 0.0001893 XMR (≈0.06 USD)

RandomLurker: maybe i read it as shilled donations at first

Maybe we can do a CCS ad get him to sing a song about Monero volantaryism1[m]

If only one of you gave Papa ChooChoo some TLC when I wrote a faster miner, instead of ignoring him, things could have happened differently np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/5lsfgt/_/dbz0jnp

Not sure what this img is trying to say but its well made

<volantaryism1[m] "Not sure what this img is trying"> It is saying that the solution to blockchain analysis is elementary

Can somebody explain me why too small fees are bad?

makes it cheap to spam the blockchain

And that would make...? Except from larger blockchain in size

i think if we define fees as too cheap, we should also define what is too expensive.

large blockchain size is already bad in itself and a huge number of transactions also puts nodes under stress (verification), also depending on the size of the spam attack the attacker could own a nontrivial amount of outputs and deanonymize some transactions

feeds need to be large enough to incentivize large enough number of miners to keep mining, I would say

ultimately it's connected to electricity costs, I'm pretty sure you could model an optimal value easily

assuming a certain hashing power for security

Honestly i think anyone who can pay fees has every right to spam the chain

that sure sounds like a voluntaryist talking :)

Monero blockchain size is like 100x less than the disk space i had on my computer at the time of launch

mechanimist: whish monero has an OP return field, could store so much data

my point is we are talking about adjusting the fees, which will necessarily make them more expensive. articmine has been working on this iirc.

Thanks guys for explaining

Also I was wondering if Monero itself is prepared to expand to size of BTC (I am talking about daily transactions) or it isn't, yet?

XMR|patix0331[m]: it is

Guys make sure not to track your XMR with services like blockfolio - its another way of compromising your data

XMR | patix0331: easily

XMR|patix0331[m]: it would make double spend attacks easier

And how much it would change fees, or It wouldn't at all?

XMR|patix0331[m]: would what? larger blocks?

the blocks grow by how much they're used

Larger number of daily transactions

there's a formula. basically, fees have to be higher if the blocks are bigger

they'd still be very low IIR

C

like cents. bitcoin's big because of congestion

We are talking about what range in pesimistic scenario?

<yanmaani "like cents. bitcoin's big becaus"> oh, thats good to hear

Bigger monero blocks = smaller tees

* Bigger monero blocks = smaller fees

Penalty = BaseReward * ((BlockSize / Median_N) - 1)^2

median_N = median block size over last 100 blocks

if a block is 1MB, and the last 100 blocks have a median of 1MB, this works out to BaseReward * ((1M / 1M) - 1)^2 = 0

fees go up to increase blocksize but if blocksize stays at that increased size the fees go back to normal

increased fees are to change not sustain

nioc: can the penalty ever go negative?

I believe at those sustained larger blocksize the fee actually is reduced vs the default blocksize

Any update in the destination amounts are unequal bug?

Cost to add 1GB to the monero chain is around 1 monero rn

Bug is fixed here, as per post title: old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/mq…_v01721_oxygen_orion_released_fixes

volantaryism1[m]: How do you measure that?

Maybe i made a tx or maybe i didnt XD

Oh, do you mean transaction fees?

I guess you measure it in transaction fees (as opposed to, for instance, electricity to mine blocks).

It was fees yes

Is there any work in progress at blocking/unlocking balance? Right now I have to wait 25 mins for confirmation, right?

10 blocks, so 20 minutes if the blocks hit at hte expected target.

Are there any impromvents to come for that process?

None near term.

Mabye zero conf payments could be useful if monero sees large commercial adoption but i have no idea the technical issues would need to be overcome

imo, there's not really any technical issue for zero conf. its a trust issue. zero conf works now.

you can buy a coffee with zero conf. it would be an awful lot of hassle to try and engineer a situation to double spend a zero conf, and for a coffee, its downright silly

now for buying a car? probably want at least 1 conf.

gingeropolous: sorry i meant spending a zero conf tx sent to you

oh.

<volantaryism1[m] "gingeropolous: sorry i meant spe"> I dom't understand the situation where you would need that

Businesses are used to batch processing done by visa. And these batches take days before they land in vendors accounts

yeah. tx speed is a solution in search of a problem imo.

anon_82641: i had to top up someones bank account in an emergency and the funds were used instantly, thats why i mentioned it

Yeah, that's a good use case.

Similarly, there's the case of moving money between one's own "accounts", as in when one is going to need to move a chunk of money from a savings account to a checking account at the bank to handle a series of payments.

yeah, thats more the locktime thing though

There's less reason for that to be a big deal within a single cryptocurrency, with the exception of the fact that one might use different "accounts" to keep track of budgeting.

. . . but in the case of moving between cryptocurrencies, there's more of an easily imagined practical need for one person being able to move money around with immediacy, I think.

It might make sense in some cases to have "savings" in one cryptocurrency and "checking" in another, after all.

(given different valuation activity on different blockchains and whatnot)

eh, maybe

Even so, I think that the only thing *really* holding something like Monero back from being more useful *and* more convenient than fiat in the general case is a relative lack of ability to get whatever one needs for it, in a practical sense.

It can easily be more convenient and useful *overall* than fiat, in a technical sense, *right now*, even if it's less useful or less convenient on a technical level for *very specific use cases*.

These use cases just seem like things that need solutions we haven't developed yet, as opposed to things it can't handle with a little innovation.

yeah

I look forward to competing solutions producing some sense of which are the best options and all this stuff being handled in the nearish future.

the zero conf / chained tx thing is solvable with changing the index based database to an ID based database

I also look forward to being able to find entry to a thriving economy of "it's easier to get most of what I need with Monero than with USD".

gingeropolous: What do you mean?

but that opens other cans of worms re: chain bake time for proper ringsig effects

(re: index vs. ID)

apotheon, currently, with monero, a transaction references its inputs by their index in the blockchain

so if i make a transaction, im gonna use outputs at index 460 2345 23523 3245 234 etc

as inputs

righto

so in order for these outputs to get an index, they need to be in the blockchain

Is ID, then, something prior to addition to a block?

instead, you can use the hash of the output to identify which outputs to use in a tx

so you don't look for an output as position x x1 x2 - x11

I recall having heard of a decentralized, non-Ethereum dependant stablecoin called PegNet, which was kind of forgotten (has no price as of now) a few moments (months, days, IDK) after it got attacked with double-spend. Is such a thing really possible, and has anyone read PegNet's sourcecode to see if it was really secure (not sure if it is private, but privacy =/= security)?

* I recall having heard of a decentralized, non-Ethereum dependant stablecoin called PegNet, which was kind of forgotten (has no price as of now) a few moments (months, days, IDK) after it got attacked with double-spend. Is such a thing really possible, and has anyone read PegNet's sourcecode to see if it was really secure (transparent blockchain, so no privacy, but privacy =/= security)?

instead, you look for outputs with ID1, ID2, - ID11

it adds weight to transaction,s because hash IDs are larger than the index method

I think I'll have to learn a bit more about the technical details to really have a firm grasp of IDs in this sense and how they factor into things, but I think I have a general gist of what you're saying.

yeah its the difference of looking for someone in a line by their position in the line vs shouting out "hey where's bob"

hashes are 32 bytes, index positions are 8 bytes

gotcha

More like ~2.x bytes per.

My next big concern with convenience and utility is figuring out how to spend fiat online to acquire cryptocurrencies without having to KYC-expose myself to get to a point where I have online-spendable USD.

e.g. Visa gift cards without having to show ID and being tracked at the point of sale

moneromooo: 2.x?

. . . as in 2.3, 2.4, et cetera?

I mean somewhere between 2 and 3.

gotcha, yeah

eh, thats not a monero problem apotheon . can't really fix that with code. thats a meatspace problem

2.2272491

gingeropolous: Yes, I'm aware.

I'm just kinda struggling with figuring it out.

There seems to be a pretty difficult issue involved in breaking the chain.

Lengthening the chain helps a little, but it doesn't really solve the problem.

. . . and lengthening it looks like money laundering more and more as it lengthens.

The best idea I've had so far is to pay a homeless person who doesn't look so sketchy he'll get harassed to go buy Visa gift cards with my cash.

It's not a great idea.

lol

well the best way to do that is to mine

no mickey mouse with mining

Yeah . . . that doesn't involve the mouse, but it does involve other complications.

I have to do a lot of mental work just to figure out what I'd have to do to make it reasonable to do.

If I'm not doing it over I2P gateways or Tor, I'd essentially be exposed to the ISP, for instance.

I have to take the latency of such things into account in figuring out what I need to make it reasonable, though.

When things start getting complicated, and require more sysadmin work, I get less enthused, and it ends up sitting on the back burner for a long time before I just give up and don't do it at all.

Sysadmin work and accounting are very far from my favorite things in the world.

well someday i'll start a "totally mining monero" service

har

where you send fiat, and i totally make hardware mine for you, and then you get xmr

non-KYC, I assume

Is "totally" facetious here, or what?

i assume. dunno if there's much red tape around cloud services

It seems facetious.

im never facetious

har

You'd receive fiat payments, though, which would still require someone having a way to send the fiat to you, so it just requires people trying to deanonymize Monero acquisition to notice what kind of service you provide.

I don't think that solves the problem at all.

yeah

It's enough for "probable cause" in many cases, most likely.

probable cause to harass the shit out of someone who didn't do anything wrong, and just wants to be left alone

bleh

I am amazed. I went to check github to report new spam and all spam's gone. Congrats who found the right incantation to get them to actually wipe them :D

whoever*

(whatever)

Funny thing is I was going to do that to get a break from a more shitty day...

<gingeropolous "so if i make a transaction, im g"> Thanks for the info i always wondered what those numbers meant

Moneros decentralization in mining allows people to aquire some xmr in places where it is banned thankfully

How do I mint Monero?

yep. the magic of information. it can't be stopped.

jj1013[m], you set up mining software on your computer

moneromooo: sorry about your shitty day

moneromooo: Aren't you getting filthy rich as a Monero dev? Are you a monero millionaire?

<gingeropolous "jj1013., you set up mining softw"> I didn't know you could mint by mining.

I think that's the only way to mint it.

Maybe it should've been called "minting" instead of "mining" in the first place.

it was first called "generating"

you can start your own block chain

set_generate=true

jj1013[m], to be fair, you can mint monero by solo mining on your own blockchain

if you are mining, as is common these days, in a pool, the pool operator mints the monero, and then sends you a fraction of that to compensate you for your share of the wor

work in finding that block

right

I guess if you're in a pool, you're mining, and the pool operator is minting.

. . . so if you want to mint, you an either be a very successful solo miner or operate a mining pool.

s/ an either/ can either/

Hello every one, how is every one doing today?

fAAAAANnntastic Bigboiimike , how are u doin

I occasionally use the term "minting money" (or something to that effect) to refer to a way to profit from things that just seem absurdly magical (e.g. launching an NFT "art" startup like that "cryptopunks" BS).

"Would you like to buy this digital pog through Sotheby's for 9M USD?"

moneromooo: Is there something I can do to make your day better?

"Yes. Stop highlighting me in IRC while I'm trying to work."

shoulda thought of that first

gingeropolous: You seem to know a lot. I hope you can answer a question for me:

gingeropolous: Is there much of a bandwidth requirement for mining?

no, not really. it depends somewhat on the scale, but generally no.

<gingeropolous "jj1013., to be fair, you can min"> That is the Monero official wallets (CLI and GUI), no?

Not much bandwidth if you mine on a pool

gingeropolous: I mean just joining a pool.

like, if your running 1-4 computers , its negligible

a lot if you mine solo and run your own node

If using a pool . . . are you using someone else's (the pool operator's) full node(s)?

jj1013[m], correct. you need the daemon running

apotheon, yeah. the pool op is running a node that creates the blocks and does network stuff

righto

<gingeropolous "no, not really. it depends somew"> Oh, wait... can you see what's the comment I am replying to? Bridges tend to be quite unreliable sometimes, I find myself in a group where the bridge kind of breaks and the messages don't go through.

I guess very big pools must use multiple nodes, of course.

IRC -> Matrix -> Telegram

though there are versions of mining pools that allow you to create your own block and do the whole thing more cooperatively, but there's no icentive for pools to do it soe they haven;t

Or Telegram <- IRC -> Matrix, not sure.

But it's the GrapheneOS group

jj1013[m], on that comment i wasn't responding to you. but yeah, you need the monero official wallets

I'm Doing well, thanks for asking. Sorry this chat is hard to read, i need to change colors somehow

I think I must be missing something to which jj1013[m] is responding somewhere, though maybe it's visible and I just overlooked it.

yeah these friggin relays

we can put a coin on a blockchain, but we can't make internet chat interopoaerable?

The shitty way the Freenode bridget to Matrix quotes things often leaves me scratching my head a bit.

<gingeropolous "jj1013., on that comment i wasn'"> OK. I think I will be able to get mining properly when I get a more powerful setup.

. . . and then there's the fact that some people in Matrix are evidently not seen here, but other people in Matrix we can see are replying to those people invisible to us on Freenode.

<gingeropolous "we can put a coin on a blockchai"> There's Matrix.

you don't need a more powerful setup jj1013[m] :) but yeah

jj1013[m]: Yes, the problem is interoperability, not whether Matrix exists.

<Jeremih> Does anybody have any thermal paste recommendations

Oh, right, we have Discord, too.

arctic silver

I wonder if I need to repaste the CPU in an old laptop, now that I think about it.

gingeropolous: Thanks for the recommendation.

(even though I didn't ask)

<Jeremih> Artic silver 5 or mx2

<gingeropolous "you don't need a more powerful s"> No, seriously. Our Internet connection is bad, if I'd ever want to get the blockchain, all I've got is a HDD, not an SSD, and my mining speed is untolerable (100 hps). I even got banned from a mining pool because of my speed.

whats the easiest way to buy monero

What's an okay HPS rate for mining Monero for the foreseeable future?

10 kh/s give you a bit more than $1/day

ah, okay

Is that slower than mining pools would like?

Oh, wait, that's kinda fast.

hmm

headed off; ta

ferox_thinkpad: kraken has direct usd i believe

Binance to tether to xmr

<Jeremih> I wish that was what happened, I'd be sitting on 60-80¢/day

<sech1 "10 kh/s give you a bit more than"> Kilohashes?

hello goyims

hello goy

hello

jj1013[m] kilohashes

does anyone know when will atomic swaps be available?

end of the year?

<sech1 "10 kh/s give you a bit more than"> Pool or solo?

it doesn't matter

solo mining won't give you stable payout though

use a smaller pool

PiRATA, there are a few different projects. no one knows

dont use supportxmr or the bigger one

or just solo mine

to support the network

10 kh/s is like $15 a month?

$1/day

$30 a month

minus electricity

what cpu do you have

so maybe $15/month after electricity

This is 3700X

But I don't use it to mine

It looks like rpi would give you just over 100 hashes per second, so . . . realistically, maybe USD 3.50 per year for the rpi mining rig.

needmoney90: Let me quote your hero. 'How do I ban FUK? AAAHHHH I don't remember. youtube.com/watch?v=mdLfkhxIH5Q Keep tryin' champion.

I sometimes forget how to ban things.

neelix: oh. Thanks

<Jeremih> Just find 5000 rpi4b+ and free electricity

It'll be difficult just making up the cost of the rpi hardware.

<Jeremih> That's why I said find

As for free electricity, use a weatherproof housing for it and plug it into an exterior power outlet of a government building, and parasitize the building's wifi network to mine over tor.

Too bad "find" isn't deterministic in one's plans.

I think the JavaScript for the Monero Outreach community gallery is broken for WebKit.

The gallery loads, but clicking on an individual image seems to just reload the gallery.

Oh, wait, it works on a different image.

It just doesn't work for the bulletproof image.

Oh, I guess the thing where it did work isn't an image. Damn.

it works for some things, and not for others . . . ?

Here Comes The Sun also doesn't load.

The "ranked 3rd by number of devs" thing doesn't load either.

same for 1/100 of Bitcoin, and for Forking [. . .] Flattery

twitter.com/AlertMonero/status/1383837903114043400

holy fuck an [unknown] amount of xmr was sent from [unknown] wallet to [unknown] wallet!

<Jeremih> So suspicious!

<Jeremih> How do I buy monero not through an exchange?

Mining, localmonero

<Jeremih> Mining isn't as profitable as I wish it was and there's no local monero offers for my budget range

<Jeremih> Well there is

<Jeremih> But I think I'd be more comfortable buying from an exchange at that point

<Jeremih> And they won't take my money

<Jeremih> Well that's it for me

DisBotXMR: you could use a non kyc exchanger, they give you a btc address and you give them an xmr address

<Jeremih> Where do I get btc?

<Jeremih> Without an ID?

<BrianTX> You could use an ATM, but they'd charge you a very large fee.

<BrianTX> 15 percent or so.

<Jeremih> That's absolutely not what I'm willing to pay

<volantaryism1[m] "1618783060675.jpg"> Why is only that bit in Spanish?

jj1013.: i didnt make it, found it online, its got a spelling error on line 7

how do you know that it handles billions of dollars of transactions?

did the meeting with sarang happen?

nope, rescheduled

h2017: postponed til Wed

did anyone post that on reddit?

.shrug

<volantaryism1[m] "jj1013.: i didnt make it, found "> Is cryptocurrency obligatorily a single word?

usually

jj1013.: yeah this image wasnt made with much care

also we don't know who created it so how can it be said to be world leading cryptographers and privacy experts?

shhhh

The person who made it was trying to give monero ethos

could use facts