I ❤ Ric I'm sorry for being Dik bro

There are multiple psychological hooks to keep Monero community members in place. Here is one:

Notice that Scientologists don't stand on street corners saying "Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Xenu?"

Put yourself instead in the shoes of someone who spent $10,000 and 2-3 years of their life on their courses

And you get a bunch of bad sci-fi - you have two choices:

^ This guy is funny

But the struggle is real

are we all rich yet

.val xmr

abcdefg_irssi: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈420.56 • ccc/OKEX: ≈$420.15 24HΔ: 22.39167% Vol: 104.84K [0m] • cmc: ≈$420.97 24HΔ: 18.55763% 7DΔ: 28.10526% [< 1m]

420 on 4/20

weed

Yay! It made it to 420 on 4/20!

interesting image

.usd

You will DO what Monero tells you to do. You will JUMP when you are told to jump. And most importantly you will DISCONNECT whoever Scientology^H^H^H^H^H I mean Mnero tells you to disconnect. Otherwise you WILL end up like lh1008 here:

monerologs.net/monero-community/20210114#c181614 And you will do it all for FREE. Because Monero is open souce :D Just like Linux is there to pay for $700k watches that Torvalds wears.

why count other peoples money?

hey guys, when running monero-wallet-rpc, is there a time interval that new subaddress/subaccount states get

saved

i restarted a wallet earlier and it caused a subaddress to get reused in a web service

i realize now that i should enforce unique values in my db schema, which im implementing, but curious about the timing still as occasionally I have to restart my wallet process

it's usually not a problem, but today it was :)

So monero has just gone from being the no-nonsense actual fungible p2p electronic cash, to becoming the premier meme-coin. Sorry Doge, sorry WOW - you have been outmemed.

lza_menace: can you ask for a specific subaddress index via the rpc?

yes

I think we need a best practices document on subaddresses for larger services / exchanges.

that would be cool, i'd reference it a lot

as of now i just make decisions and learn the hard way :D

cant reproduce this one locally, so for now added better checks in the code (too lazy to update sql schemas)

maybe binaryFate can help with that ^ (minko and xmrto experience)

just an incrementing subaddress subaddress index in the db schema should do it

create_address should always advance one

rbut he got a duplicate after restarting wallet

yeah... very strange

.shrug

<Jeremih> it isn't actual detection, it's just the usual blocking it sees monerominer.js ? it gets blocked that's it

lza_menace: not sure about timing. But in order to have a sane implementation I'd suggest the following

* Use the "store" RPC call regularly (helps to limit missing data in case of wallet crash, brutal shutdown, storage issue...)

* Always record in your DB the index (and account while you're at it) together with subaddresses. You get this value directly from the response of the RPC call create_address, you do NOT guess it based on your number of calls. This way you always know how to regenerate a subaddress if need be.

* Record the largest index you have created so far. It's just an integer that you increment over time basically. If your storage failed you know how many to re-generate to get back on track.

* Make sure to have a "unique" constraint on your subaddresses in your DB

All this also greatly helps if you have to recreate your wallet from seed.

If you write a simple wrapper around create_address that keeps creating addresses as long as they already exist in DB, and stops and returns the first new one, you can fail and restart and get back up to speed seemlessly

smart

heck yeah - thanks binaryFate

.faucet

I​nge-: 100​00000 times 3 divided by 7 multiplied by 0

0

Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000022 XMR to Inge- [9dbcbef8] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01660881

hustling piconeros

<Jeremih> redd.it/mvap9z

.faucet

Mo​chi101: How ​many toes do humans normally have if they have 0 legs

0

Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000025 XMR to Mochi101 [3819a896] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01660631

I think the more difficult questions like this one should have a higher payout.

.faucet

sech1: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

No free money for me :(

.balance

sech1: • Your balance is: 0.00489065 XMR (≈1.92 USD)

<Jeremih> .balance

<Jeremih> .faucet

<Jeremih> I see

doies anyone know of a decent trustwortrhy windows XRP wallet

.balance

Inge-: • Your balance is: 0.0051692 XMR (≈2.02 USD)

XRP?

<Jeremih> ripple

<Jeremih> exodus proably has it

I know what xrp is. I was just confounded by why someone would ask about a Ripple wallet in here.

<Jeremih> yeah, makes sense

GUARDA. a multi-coin wallet. lookiung good

a really nice desktop wallet. fully featured.

<Jeremih> exodus though

<Jeremih> not good

<Jeremih> cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/6204…reenshot_2021-04-21_at_10.22.10.png

Does anyone know where I can find a Riccardo waifu pillow that accepts XMR for payment?

<Jake[m]1 "Does anyone know where I can fin"> Pillows are for losers, go for the dildo with his size and shape

Jake[m]1, are you in the USA?

I could make you a pillow, but largest I could go for cuddling is 24" x 12"... or if you want one just to squeeze between your legs I could do 26" x 26"

But you'd have to be in the USA for those sizes.

You could even tell me which picture of fluffypony you want on it, if you have a preference.

<Mochi101 "But you'd have to be in the USA "> Unfortunately not, am in Australia.

Well... then the maximum sizes change...

I can do 22x22 inch or 12x20 inch

fluffy fluffypony pillows

:)

<hennyh> I'm trying to build a local network music discovery 'app' where musicians upload songs to a server on their local network, and then other people access that server and can listen to a radio of the songs. In order to like a song + then play it back at any you need to 'tip' the artist using monero. I took a look at getmonero.org/get-started/accepting and

monero-python.readthedocs.io/en/latest/transactions.html but can't quite figure out how to verify that a tip was sent to the artist's Monero wallet. Is there some type of proof the tipper can provide which will demonstrate they paid some amount to the artist's address? And if so, how can I generate such a proof for any old person (i.e they don't have their own node with RPC enabled)

There is, but that sounds like sending fractions of a penny, which is going to (1) be swamped by tx fees and (2) spam the chain with tiny dust txes.

You might instead want to try using primo, which uses monero mining to "pay" for service: getmonero.org/selene/primo

It requires users to run software, though.

<hennyh> hmm that's a good idea but for my use case I don't want to drain people's phones battery (which I think they'll be using to listen) + like you said they would need special software

Fair enough. Then tx proofs exist, there are RPC for this.

get_tx_proof and check_tx_proof. You do need access to the chain to verify it though.

FWIW the primo system allows mining on a different device than the one "consuming" the credits.

But yes, it does get a bit heavy.

<hennyh> My understanding though is that if say I exposed my local monero daemons RPC functionality, it would only be able to generate proofs for my wallets on the device, someone can't use it to generate a proof for some wallet i'm never seen (this is what I gathered from the RPC docs but i could be completely wrong)

<hennyh> I suppose I could make it they send a larger amount (several dollars) to the server's wallet, and then they can tip any amount and it's just recorded in a db, then above a ceartin thresold the artist gets paid

<hennyh> not ideal b/c makes the server a good attack opporunity and node operators could easily steal funds

is kovri dead?

If you have... 1000 users, each deposits a $10 balance which gets eaten step by step, 5k average balance on the server. Not a huge target.

mmxxx[m]: yes

is there anything to replace kovri? or any workable guides for i2p and xmr?

The monero GUI works with i2p0 IIRC, another I2P router.

Not sure what docs they have, check hte git tree.

thx, will have a look

<hennyh> I suppose I could rely on the honesty system, let people tip and put in a transaction hash :/ the other way to solve this problem would to have cakewallet or whatever testify to a transaction being created

<hennyh> would be great to say like cakewallet:<address>:<amount>:<callback_url> and then cake would invoke the callback url when it was done

What is the dollar equivalent you're send for a song ?

<hennyh> maybe 50c to a couple of dollars, it would be up to the user

Oh. I was expecting a fair bit less than one cent. I was thinking pay to play, maybe I misunderstood.

THen my comment about being swamped by fees does not apply.

<hennyh> sorry I probably didn't explain very well. Basically if you dont pay for any songs you just listen to a songs randomly. If you pay you get to listen to that song any time you want forever

got it

<Jeremih> Registration fee?

Then get_tx_proof/check_tx_proof is what you want I think.

best place to buy monero from ?

<Jeremih> Like 2.5$ so the artists can still get something like, on a monthly basis

kraken seems the one that gets most votes. Otherwise, binance seems second.

<hennyh> oh great, my understanding is though that getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html#get_tx_proof doesn't let say me, generate a tx proof, using your monero RPC node

Both will ask for papers, please though.

kraken, I get invalid server response while trying to register

<hennyh> @Jeremih it's more for local artists to share their music and maybe get rewarded. I plan to install it on my local university campus which is heavily arts focused

The sender generates the proof (a text string), sends it to whoever wants to check it.

Or you could do it differently:

Every user gets assigned a... 32 bit user id. Every track gets assigned a 32 bit track id.

When user X wants to tip for track Y, then send the tip, with an encrypted payment ID equal to (X<<32)|Y.

<hennyh> Hmm sorry moneromoo I don't really understand the internal mechanics of Monero, I just have a vauge understanding. If I had to generate a spend proof in the browser (i can make a HTTP request to a daemon but it would be shared for all users)?

Then no proof needed.

<hennyh> I thought paymentIDs were removed a while ago

<hennyh> perhaps I'm just out of my depth here haha

Your server cannot generate the proof, the user would have to.

<hennyh> got it thought so

Long unencrypted payment ids were removed. Short encrypted ones remain.

Sgort being 64 bits, or 8 bytes.

<hennyh> oh that would work using the user id + track id like you suggested

<hennyh> is there some documentation about using the short encrypted payment ids?

Not really. They're embedded in integrated addresses really, the user doesn't get to see them.

They're just a 64 bit number given to the user though.

Here, the user would build it themselves instead.

I actually removed the ability to do that a couple years ago :/

But that's an interesting use of it.

I think it'd make a good topic in -dev, if you want to ask there. Maybe others wlil have other ideas. And if not, we can see what people think about restoting the ability for the user to select a short payment id.

Alternatively, some kind of always on attached encrypted data that's more than 64 bits would be nice for things like this. Replacing payment id I guess.

<hennyh> monerodocs.org/public-address/integrated-address It seems like I could generate this on the server: 19 - main chain 32 - that users public spend key (that can be shared) 32 - public view key (that can be shared) 8 - the song id (i can associate users with the public spend/view keys) 4 - checksum

Yes, you could.

<hennyh> that would be great if I could ask in -dev, I don't have permission to post though

One thing though:

You say "associate users with the public spend/view keys", that implies subaddress (or many standard addresses, but that'll suck majorly for syncing)

Subaddress don't have integrated addresses.

Hence the 32 bit + 32 bit split.

Actually that could work with the bytecoin trick of a single view key with different spend keys. I always liked that trick.

But we don't have the tooling for this.

<hennyh> Hmm I think i'll have to read into that a bit more since I don't quite understand (not sure about the specifics of public spend/view keys), and if they do change over time it would be pretty burdenous for the user to keep looking them up each time they wanted to make a tip. Trying to make the user experience as noob friendly as possible

Same flags in -dev, not sure why you can't post.

<hennyh> I am on discord, would that effect things?

Only if -dev has a ban line for the bot.

<hennyh> okay seems I can access it via IRC

I can tell you why you can't stop the 'spam'. You are thinking in cult doctrine. If it was real spam, and I was selling Viagra for example - you could easily ban keywords and urls. Instead, stop being a sheep, think like a cult leader. Recoginse that this 'spam' is just some bullshit that you tell to the sheep.

Look on the bright side. At least you don't need to obsess over signs of life from FUK now.

404 lol

How do I use the address book in the cli wallet? Can I do something like `transfer address_book:0 <amount>`, or some other way to avoid copy-pasting a saved address in the trandsfer command?

AFAIK you cannot.

Too bad :/ it would be a great way to minimize the risks involved in copy-pasting stuff around. Check and save the address once, then reference it directly from the address book

Btw, another suggestion for the cli wallet: currently it seems to be impossible to close a wallet via Ctrl+C or Ctrl+D after it gets locked due to inactivity. The only option seems to be closing the terminal window. Is there a specific reason behind this?

The keyboard is set to raw mode, to disable echo.

Or maybe not quite raw since Linux so that'd be unsafe, but close enough.

So Ctrl-commands don't get picked up?

^C and ^D become usable in a password :)

Hmm, interesting

I don't think ^C triggers a signal in this case. ^D never does, it's interpreted as EOF by the high level API.

Still, it would be nice to have a way to sanely close a wallet that got auto-locked

Enter password.

...without having to re-enter the password, that is :P

Well, small patch welcome.

Heh, I would if I could

might be an issue about this already, kinda rings a bell.

Are there contingency plans is minexmr reaches 50% of known hashrate?

There is apparently 400MH/s avaliable on miningrigrentals.com/rigs/randomx

<Jeremih> miningrigrentals.com/rigs/randomx

note that the % on the reddit post for minexmr was vs know hash rate and vs network hash rate is significantly lower

45% vs 37%

has anybody a setup/deployment with running dockerized xmrig ?

I want to deploy that (maybe with ansible) on a linux host (FAST) (over and over, working)

mining RandomX in a VM is slower

slower than what?

than on bare metal ok

but faster than not mining at all

if running a container right on bare metal, should be the same

if running in a docker container in a VM (like, using `docker-for-mac` or something), make sure you bump the hugepages

ok, hugepages. thx for that hint

what pool should you use for Tor?

Why does Monero detect edits as message repeats? I was editing a message once many times, and it called me out for spam.

or is it equal to use a "normal" pool and just proxy all over the tor network?

jj1013[m]: because when you edit a message on the matrix side, it just resends it to IRC

it also sucks when you send an image, send a multi-line message, or quote someone :)

<asymptotically "jj1013.: because when you edit a"> IIRC, edited messages resent on IRC have an "*" behind them... is there a way the bots detect it's just an edit?

Or can that be cheated?

no, to the bots (and to everyone else) you are just a spammer lol

if you ask an op nicely they can give you voice in the channel, and that should stop the bots from harassing you

Is there a way to speed up the local node download/sync? I currently have the startup flag as --block-sync-size 20

I am already on SSD

wide_side: I think you can bump --prep-blocks-threads (4 is the default) and --block-sync-size to some 500 as suggested monerodocs.org/interacting/monerod-reference

it might go faster if you remove --block-sync-size, then it can adjust it for you

see the performance section

> it might go faster if you remove --block-sync-size, then it can adjust it for you

oh that's nice, I didn't know it'd autoadjust

Great thank you, I will remove it and give that doc a read

Does monero need lots of virtual memory?

still?

I have a friend who I suspect is running out of memory, so oom_killer killed sshd haha

monerod will use about 100 GB, yes.

A bit more.

currentlky using 121 GB virtual for me but only 3.1 GB reserved

I use the monero gui on linux. When sending amounts, a fee appears. Is that fee deducted from the sent amount,or the wallet?

wallet

what happens if i specify an amount equal to the wallet amount then?

then you can't send

monerod(54766,0x30a7ea000) malloc: *** error for object 0x7fb913901c00: pointer being freed was not allocated

monerod(54766,0x30a7ea000) malloc: *** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug

Anyone know what this means?

means you've found a bug in monerod

abcdefg_irssi: which OS?

MacOS

And which version? Plus version of monerod

.17.2.0

abcdefg_irssi: if you open Console.app is there a monerod crash report?

Yes

whats a website ill upload it

can you share it?

paste.debian.net

there is one known rpc ssl related segfault, not sure if it is this one

abcdefg_irssi: thanks, sent the crash report to wfaressuissia[m], he is usually good with fixing these :)

Thanks

any idea what happened?

you can run your daemon with --rpc-ssl disabled

there is a bug in daemon rpc ssl code that can cause a crash

ah

i mean seems pretty rare

ive had it running almost 24/7 for a couple weeks first crash ive had

ugh, very bad bug.

Howard Chu is a high IQ scholar, he has more Google images with a violin than Sting with a guitar, he singlehandely saved NASA from doom. Why can't the saviour of NASA save Monero?

My project accepts XMR donation. You can find my XMR address at my homepage:

FasXmut[m]: If you want to help these games get more exposure, you could add information about the websites for their projects to your posts, as well as licensing information.

FasXmut[m]: In particular, for my sake, it would make it easier for me to ensure that any of them with copyfree licenses get added to the copyfree works list on the CI site.

<apotheon "Fas Xmut: In particular, for my "> Yes, I have already put a link to the game's official site.

I thought the first one I checked didn't have a link to the website. Maybe I missed it.

.val xmr

abcdefg_1rssi: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈397.23 • ccc/OKEX: ≈$398.08 24HΔ: -1.36% Vol: 826.09K [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$396.38 24HΔ: -1.11% 7DΔ: 26.12528% [< 8m]

moneromooo: By the way, this is a thing. copyfree.org/resources/works#Monero

Can someone translate this to English for me? twitter.com/Beam28817369/status/1384965800172429314

"Monero‘s anonymity set is 11 while Beam’s optional Lelantus Mimblewimble anonymity set is 64,000"

apotheon, monero = 12 people being in a room and guessing who farted. Beam is 64,000 people being in a room and guessing who farted.

Okay.

What about the "optional" part?

I just farted.

. . . and what does Lelantus mean?

Can anyone suggest another wallet that i can send\recieve Monero from besides the one at getmonero

See, the farted didn't care that people knew he farted. So it doesn't matter how many people are in the room with him.

Bigboiimike: featherwallet.org

I've read some things talking about Mimblewimble not being as private as the CryptoNote approach, too, but I don't know what's supposed to be less private about it.

Its not working for me. It lets me install it and then when i sign in it keeps popping up a box that wont let me use it

Lelantus is just a super awesome cool name that they gave the protocol.

I lied about farting. My wife farted.

hmm

apotheon: i think that there's an issue with most mimblewimble implementations where an attacker can just watch the network traffic for a while and deanonymise everyone

sorry for linking to bitcoin.com :P but news.bitcoin.com/researcher-breaks-…anonymizing-96-of-grin-transactions

sad

Long live Momero

MW is not the same as Lelantus. Lelantus is a privacy tech, which they apparently use.

MW basically aggressively prunes stuff, and without the pruned data you can't tell some things. It's basically relying on nobody keeping the pruned data.

Says wow might be risky is this normal?

Lelantus seems like a bona fide privacy tech, with an equivalent of ring size 64k (from your quote).

When used. So most of the time it'll be a room of 1.

But sometimes a room of 64k.

But AFAIK Beam is a corporate coin with (I think ?) premine. And I read it's filled with ex military/spook people (though I did not investigate, so it could be bollocks). So who'd trust that. Grin is the legit MW chain.

In a room of 1 it's pretty obvious who farted.

the fartman

one of the first results for lelantus "Privacy Coin Firo Launches 'Privacy by Default' on Mainnet (Jan 2021)". next result "Privacy Coin Firo Temporarily Disables Lelantus Protocol (Feb 2021)" :D

Bug ?

Temporarily

I bought a gamer girl’s fart in a jar and released it.

Queen Asphyxia's ?

<asymptotically "sorry for linking to bitcoin.com"> Whats wrong with bitcoin.com?

IIRC bitcoin.com was kinda directing noobs to bitcoin cash as "bitcoin". Scammers basically.

fuckin monero

stop going up

i want to buy

Apparently Firo has a system where they can turn off pricacy features in a centralized way

<moneromooo "IIRC bitcoin.com was kinda direc"> Atleast they are saved from fees :P

apotheon: I think it's just like monero's ring size, but they made it so you can crank it up to 11

or to 64

asymptotically: Thanks for the link.

It looks like the "optional" part is that Beam defaults to the same ring size but allows turning it up.

The person also said this, in response to the Mimblewimble thing: "This is a problem with basic Mimblewimble but not applicable to Beam. Beam uses spent decoys with each tx to obscure the tx graph"

Oh, so it's always on, but ring size can go to 64k ?

Then close to nobody will use 64k except people who want to stick out ?

seems like it

It's a bit weird.

There must be a bit of a practical issue with 64 to not just have it turned on all the time.

probably transaction size or something like that

I'm obviously not the expert, here.

Any opinions on post triptych ring sizes?

64k would be heinously slow to verify, most likely.

So every tx with 64k -> chain dead in practice

apotheon: in practice, the anonymity set is ~1

(I'm speculating here)

cause it does, basically, a coinjoin for each block

oooh ringsizes

if it seems that triptych is still a years to come, perhaps there's time we can figure out whether we should program it to automatically increase ringsize in response to x

x being some magical dynamical thing

or x being something simple like blockheight

with either, i see the advantage is that if update consensus can't be achieved in the future, programming in *something* permits monero to become more powerful (?) over time

can't that just be done in the hardfork? can't you just get it right the first time?

Maybe you could just vote on it on-chain. Or make it a function of the block size.

i would say no, because reasonable ringsizes for the next hardfork are probably an order of magnitude below the *ideal* ringsize for as close to absolute privacy as feasible within the system

each block, miner can commit to desired ring size. each week, take the median of desired ring sizes. clamp to [old_ringsize * 0.95, old_ringsize * 1.05] and you're good to go

for some really advanced stuff, maybe you could make tx fees conditional. Hmm, I wonder if that'd be a good way to accomplish "democracy" in general

1) miners commit to some value X for some parameter in their blocks

2) users can conditionally say "tx fee=A if X>n, X<n', else B"

perhaps. For some reason I'm always hesitant to permit miner influence on things. The profit incentive for miners "works" to an extent. but that drive for profits can come at the expense of network security

i know the irony though, because , miners control the whole thing. But not really.

like, miners could set the ringsize to a larger size simply to increase the size of txs so they can get more fees

gingeropolous: in this model it'd schematically be users doing it :)

gingeropolous: that could be counteracted though. Just change the feerate, so they're economically indifferent

with the block sizing system

hrm. well anyway, the point is whether we should take the opportunity to take the human hand out of this equation

You can never take the human hand out, just move it around.

ringsize=1 means super scalable, not very private

ringsize=infinity means super private, not very scalable

human hand will have to look at the factors and make a determination, frankly

well, yeah I guess thats not really the goal. i guess the goal is to protect against a future where for whatever reason there's no ability to update the network

so the network just updates itself

well, upgrades

gingeropolous: is that a conceivable threat? Wouldn't a simple timebomb be more logical

Human boot will make the determination.

simple what now/

gingeropolous: add in a consensus rule: "block is invalid if height > H"

then you can be sure you'll get an update :)

lol.

i like to think in cockroach level.

"Get nuked. Shrug it off. Look for fried food."

doubt you can make an upgrade happen in a terminator-2 intro scene level post apocolyptic future

but, they had radios

so you can send data

a network upgrade with release i mean.

of course, in that scenario, i doubt there will be computer advancements that could keep up with a blockheight determined ringsize

which is why I always think to use the difficulty

as a measure of civilizations computing power

but then you run into hashrate increases caused by just increased value of monero

gingeropolous: it might be possible to use some rule like "ringsize = k * total transactions in the past week"

or "total utxos extant"

yeah, but thats spammable / low cost. nothing costs more than diff

and with randomx, nothing is more permissionless and democratic than diff

all mighty diff

gingeropolous: WHat about the block size? There's already an algorithm for determining that

and changing it isn't free, at least

yeah

you'd have to compensate for bigger ringsizes increasing block sizes tho, but that's easy

easy, but also contrary to the intentions of Mimblewimble, as I understand it.

20:56 < yanmaani> apotheon: in practice, the anonymity set is ~1

I"m not sure I entirely get that.

s/"/'/

I remember somebody saying there was an entity capable of pulling out a double-spend but ended up not doing so.

Is this FUD?

Read that on Reddit.

* I read that on Reddit.

... he took that too seriously.

Pretty sure NSA can commandeer enough.

NSA? Morono protects me.

Same as China can commandeer enough bitcoin hash power.

<Quotes "NSA? Morono protects me."> m o r o n o

<apotheon ""Monero‘s anonymity set is 11 wh"> HAHAHAHA! ... that's supposed to be a lie.

i think plenty of large corporations and entities could theoretically spend the resources required to amass a hash rate large enough to ruin the network

> <@freenode_apotheon:matrix.org> "Monero‘s anonymity set is 11 while Beam’s optional Lelantus Mimblewimble anonymity set is 64,000"

* HAHAHAHA! ... that isn't not a lie.

but the network could also just hard fork when attacked by a double spend

The nero is my new slang

What would be the best private route to exchange fiat for Monero?

localmonero

Are there ways to use an exchange? Maybe with Tether or something?

Nvm, I guess everything that's bought from an exchange is tainted

Well . . . with good opsec, you can pseudonymously exchange something like a stablecoin or whatever for Monero, but how you get the other cryptocoin may itself be subject to surveillance, so that your pseudonymity might be broken at the source if buying from something like Coinbase.

. . . or from anything at all if buying with a bank transfer or credit card transaction.

<Jeremih> Localmonero in a desert exchanging gold nuggets for monero

I guess, if you're not worried about it being generally known you have purchased a "privacy" cryptocurrency in general, you could use a credit card to buy something else with similar privacy characteristics then use that to buy Monero, so at least it won't necessarily be known you have Monero per se.

Kontvolkoren: monero is never tainted

I'd be wary of that, too, if you're interested in concealing the potential for using privacy oriented cryptocurrencies, though.

that's what makes it........special

I know

<Jeremih> The exchange knows your address, you'd at most want to send it over to another wallet

But not everyone need to know I bought Monero

Yeah, Monero won't be tainted, but you might be tainted (via someone else's knowledge) as someone who acquired Monero.

Other than in-person exchanges of cash or gold or something like that, or mining anonymously, there doesn't seem to be a "good" way to avoid knowledge you acquired Monero at all.

That "morono" quote keeps interfering with my thinking every time I type Monero.

xD

if you have crypto there are anonymous crytpo to crypto exchanges

I have other crypto, but it all comes from an exchange. I could still swap it, but I'm then basically selling my crypto to another exchange and buying Monero from that exchange

but nobody would know you have monero

nioc: Anonymous exchanges should, theoretically, protect you from that, I guess.

kinda like how Signal should theoretically protect you from being subjected to social graph analysis, except it probably doesn't do that at all, so maybe an anonymous exchange is better.

s/.$//

Hi cant restore my 3 years old wallet

wtf is 25word key? My private key is much longer

anybody have older version of windows gui?

3 years older

<Jeremih> Doesn't change anything iirc

<Jeremih> Do you have the same hard drive?

<Jeremih> If so do any .keys files pop up in the restore from key files or something

<Jeremih> If so you should be in

<Jeremih> If not I don't know

hello

you can restore from either your keys file or 25 word mnemonic

you need to do so with the current version of monero

I don't use the GUI but it should have options for both ways

newlinux^: ^^

But anybody have the older version?

My private key is not 25 words its much longer nioc

as I said I opened a wallet 3 years ago

I have no Idea why yall change the system!!! Now I cant log in

did I lost everything????

f****

<Jeremih> How long is it?

your keys are in 2 version, private key file and mnemonic

only the mnemonic is in word format and not longer than 25 words

as for the old version

ot may be under releases on github

no idea

<Jeremih> Probably on git

did you write down your 25 word seed?

Look I got a password a private key and my address

thats all I have got

do you want me to post my private key?

your key file should work

no don't post it lol

No i will

people will still your monero

steal

no they will not if they dont know the pass or my address

newlinux^: lol please dont posr

Post

Are you saying monero is oo east to steal? Are monero devs stupid?

you don't need pass or address if youhave the keys file

troll

Too easy*

seems to be

No not a troll sorry

Ok back to serious talk

SO My key is not 25 words

dude

did you read what I previously wrote

key file?? I have to make a .key file?

<Jeremih> Don't share anything you have in front of you

newlinux^: your seedphrase gives you the key

Auguste Kerckhoffs said that a cryptosystem should remain secure even if everything is known about it except the private key.

<Jeremih> I personally would send myself your funds on impulse

. . . not that it should remain secure even if it's totally not secure.

best I can tell he doesn't have his 25 word seed

<Jeremih> We don't know

<Jeremih> We don't even know how long it is

I am not understanding a single thing here.

DisBotXMR1 is that a bot? can you shut up?

newlinux^: seems to be the case, but it's difficult to tell

<Jeremih> Lmao I'm not a bot

with an attitude loke that, I am done

like

I need a typist

Attitude? wat but it was not toward you!

newlinux^: DisBotXMR1 is a bot that provides a bridge with . . . Discord, I think, and Jeremih is someone on that network having communications relayed to use by that bot.

does that matter

I'm trying to help

Yup

I'm on the IRC now

<Jeremih> Can confirm

Either way

How long is your word string?

Okay so can you tell me how can I convert the key into a key file? @ nioc

I think I will have to do that?

Jeremih: Your patience is prodigious.

I'm out of patience for this.

<Jeremih> Lmao

<Jeremih> I try to help

now saying "electrum style word list failed verification"

How long is the damn string

wait let me count

38 words

<Jeremih> That's no seed

then what is it :(

<Jeremih> You may have lost your funds

<Jeremih> If you have no keys, no .keys and no seed

<Jeremih> Which seems to be the case

<Jeremih> Look for older backups

I am pretty sure I copy pasted this from previous wallet, I have the address and password too

Lol maybe you could try every 25 word combo of those 38 words

kek

<Jeremih> Address and password are useless

man im so sad right now

<Jeremih> Trying to crack it is hard

<Jeremih> Really hard

<Jeremih> It's gone

Maybe you could check which words in that list are in the dictionary. You might have written that list with extra words to make it looks like not a seed in case someone found it.

hahaha