I don't understand wtf kind of janky setups you all are on to get CF captchas

But it's easy! youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w

tor doesn't even give you them anymore

Monero is the best thing for privacy since PGP. Change my mind. (from 185.220.101.*)

doctorpepsi: Why would I want to change your mind? You might be right about that.

Petition to add the ability to make payments that execute at a specific time or future block to the gui

tell me more about the use case

Tor and I2P are pretty nice, though. So was Bitcoin, as the initial launch of the technology basis for Monero (though Monero is better in an evolutionary sense, improving upon Bitcoin).

Note that I mean original Bitcoin, not any particular branch from it that exists now.

One use case that comes to mind for me is being able to transact while you are personally not available to transact, so that your meatspace life activities can't be easily correlated in time with your Monero transactions.

"Original bitcoin" = minus SegWit & lightening? (from 185.220.101.*)

Of course, that's probably not as useful to me, personally, because I'd be more likely to just script the CLI wallet.

doctorpepsi: "original bitcoin" = the initial launch of a blockchain cryptocurrency

lza_menace: ability to set up reccuring payments for subscriptions, salaries, etc

doctorpepsi: Which you consider more significant is essentially a matter of semantics and criteria, in the case of OB and Monero.

Ah. Bitcoin, pre-Chainalysis. (from 185.220.101.*)

doctorpepsi: In practical terms, at this point in time, I'd definitely say Monero.

Of course, if we're talking about "practical terms, at this point in time", I'd say PGP is disqualified, as there are subsequent encrypted comms implementations that are better for privacy.

I guess what's going through my head ultimately reaches the point of "I'm not sure it's possible to make a coherent argument against the statement that Monero is the best thing since PGP unless one argues on the grounds of that not representing a coherent standard."

More in the apparent spirit of what you said, though, I agree that Monero is *tremendously* important for potential expansion of individual privacy right now.

It's potential for helping spread and improve privacy in economic transactions seems incredibly vast, and there's not much that can compare to economics in its importance of privacy for making lives, and the world, better.

s/It's/Its/

damned fingers thought I was typing something else

Amen. (from 185.220.101.*)

sethsimmons coindesk.com/us-officials-arrest-al…ator-of-336m-bitcoin-mixing-service

Arrested for running a coinmixing service

God bless America. (from 185.220.101.*)

volantaryism1[m]: That's fucked up.

doctorpepsi: What's up with the network IP?

It looks like a Tor exit node is there, maybe.

Any particular reason why Ledger Live does not have support for the Ledger hardware? Ledger does have a Monero software that downloads to the hardware, but to interface with the hardware, you can't use Ledger Live. You have to use Monero's own software. (from 185.220.101.*)

volantaryism1: oh fuck here they come

"money laundering"

That's my guess. (I Haven't checked the article yet.)

Yep, I open the article and see money laundering mentioned twice before I even get to the body of the article.

for operator an MSB w/o a license

Wait.

What?

which is an AML law

"money laundering" and "money laundering without a license"

WTF

Is it possible to get licensed to launder money?

apotheon: it says money transmission without a license i think

"Roman Sterlingov faces three charges: unlicensed money transmission, money laundering and money laundering without a license."

really starting to worry about the localmonero guys

copypasta

They're coming for us now.

Luckily, I haven't done anything actionable!

I'm too slow to get things done.

apotheon: i think they sneakily fixed that lol

bobbieweirder[m]: Fixed what?

apotheon: the typo because it says money transmission without a license now

ah

why am i so scared suddenly

for DEXes and tumblers

It must've been fixed in a second or two between me opening the page and you doing so, I guess.

i hope i’m just paranoid

Mine still says "money laundering without a license".

. . . though maybe that's aggressive caching.

In retrospect, it seems very obvious that coinjoining might be regarded as a money laundering operation.

Hi (from 185.220.101.*)

Is the Monero team hiring? (from 185.220.101.*)

Actually I was going to ask the same thing. (from 176.126.253.*)

<apotheon "In retrospect, it seems very obv"> a refresher:

still waiting for the refresher

i just sent the FinCEN MSB definition did it not come through lol

nope

bobbieweirder: coin mixing services need to be hosted on a tor server

volantaryism1: what’s the significance of this?

bobbieweirder: tor services have a hidden location

Thats how darknet markets avoid being taken down

bobbieweirder[m]: I'm not sure how that pertains to money laundering, exactly.

Does anyone know of a crypto where each wallet creation is logged int the blockchain?

It's certainly interesting that USPS *specifically* qualifies as a money services business. I'd forgotten about that.

volantaryism1: ah i see. this person’s clients were sending him money straight from DNM

**BITCOIN

InigoMontoya: why lol?

apotheon: MSB is only one of FinCEN’s AML tools

sure

but it’s a low threshold to get people one. the actual criminal statute on “money laundering” have “intent” requirements. they’re always going to tag on the MSB law as a low hanging fruit

okay

disclaimer: I only read headlines but hear is the actual info that the media is reporting on

*here

THAT SCREENSHOT MESSAGE IS SO SUS

it literally screams “FED!!!! ”

<bobbieweirder[m] "but it’s a low threshold to get "> seems they can twist `intent` any way they like. the .us seems to have no issues with exchanging money so long as you're `registered` to do so. more aml/kyc bullshit.

will we get to the point where: `hey bob, i have $10 of btc but i need to buy a sandwich at the diner that takes xmr. can you exchange?. sure, albert here you go. sirens...` ?

I live inflation. (from 185.220.101.*)

I love inflation. (from 185.220.101.*)

You and me both, Ben. (from 176.126.253.*)

freenode_j8bit[m]: probably not something so de minimis like $10 sandwhich, but something like a car maybe

Hey whats up

Not alot, what you got going on?

.val xmr

InigoMontoya: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈415.14 • ccc/HuobiPro: ≈$415.19 24HΔ: 2.63% Vol: 76.85K [0m] • cmc: ≈$415.08 24HΔ: 2.91% 7DΔ: 0.4% [< 5m]

nothing much, just got into monero. Kinda learning how to privatize everything cause I've been a bit spooked from the government lately lol

Zach: you came to the right place haha

thanks lol

Zach: where were you before monero? BTC?

Nothing really

I was into dogecoin 9 years ago but lost my wallet

man that would have been worth something now

ouch

yeah im really kicking myself in the foot over that

double ouch

Why does the Saviour of NASA take a group achievement award and present it as a proof of individual glory? twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683

Found my old laptop I had it on but its broken

because you dont have a nasa group award

Zach: are you also @the_Z00B?

Zach: happens to the best of us

<lza_menace "Zach: are you also @the_Z00B?"> nope

kk

volantaryism1[m]: It seemed like it may be a good marketing point for a new currency idea didn't know if it was implemented yet.

InigoMontoya: what happens if wallet creations are logged on the chain?

bobbieweirder[m]: Anything or nothing.. I was considering ideas about not relying on probability to protect wallet duplication.

I understand it's very unlikely but unlikely things happen everyday. Furthermore most people don't think rationally so they could appreciate and unneccesary safegaurd

if for nothin other than they didn't have to waste the time trying to understand what a probability is

an not and

i think the concept makes sense to me

wait, what if someone just made a bunch of wallets in hopes of getting someone's?

it could happen albeit unlikely

You can do that now. If it was logged in the chain you could protect against that happening

I wonder what the chances are of that happening

InigoMontoya: but if it’s on the chain doesn’t it mean someone can see it?

something time 10^11

They can see some public key/hash

not the seed or public address

It's currently vaporware so you can make it what you want lol

Zach: twitter.com/cbarraford/status/1386345787853090821?s=21

InigoMontoya: so it would prevent the same wallet from being created twice, but it wouldn’t prevent what Zach is thinking of

InigoMontoya: it’s an interesting thought

well if somebody wanted to brute force how many wallets could they make per second and scan the amounts for

Based link: nitter.dark.fail/cbarraford/status/1386345787853090821?s=21

sarang already funded

nioc: that’s awesome👏🏼

bobbieweirder[m]: You could prevent brute force wallet duplication I think

InigoMontoya: how do you prevent spam? My GPU can generate over 600 million private keys a second

InigoMontoya: you would end up with a gigantic chain preventing something that would never ever ever (...) ever happen

Word of guys running Monero community should be BELIEVED. Why would anyone that stole money and laughed at the losers that took the bait ever have a reason to lie to you? removeddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d…ds_to_give_up_his_commit_access_and (changed link to removeddit since /r/monero mod removed to try to cover it up - maybe fluffy himself?)

so eh, whats the point? Someone who spent countless hours developting that thing actually took some money? Shame!

I do hope for my fellow wowneroleros that some of them got that lambo now - or something more appropiate for a grown up.

ksk!!!!

long time no see.

waht is more appropriate than a lambo

rx-7, official car of moonero

FC or FD chassis though?

fd=twin turbo?

The Monero car is the most boring commonplace car there is. Nobody notices you.

:D

So, a beat up ole truck of some sort, I can get in with that.

Unlike an address, leaving a key image lying around, can be immediately identified in the blockchain?

PapuaHardyNet: is this a serious quesion? see.news/wp-content/uploads/2020/10…445c-a989-cb3a55452d2c-going-up.jpg

I'd like to day trade using monero, does anyone know any good decentralized exchanges?

Sounds like a great way to lose money :)

Are there other DEX'es than Bisq currently?

Haven't found any, you have to put up 500$ into Bisq in bitcoin to get in don't you?

you need btc collateral, yeah

also, probably a bit high fees

so I'd expect day trading to be pretty frustrating - also BTC block times?

i don't understand why all the crypto-crypto exchanges use btc as the base currency

why not bch or ltc

work in progress with Haveno to have XMR base currency

bisq clone

just legacy? or is it chosen for an actual reason

:0

Probally the easiest thing to pinm to other currencies, it's like why you have USD as a huge partner for forex. You do coin A -> BTC -> Coin B if A/B don't have a pair.

<Inge- "so I'd expect day trading to be "> Yeah I guess you are right, would like to just find an exchange where all my info isnt tracked lol

Ideally, you'd have infinite pairs, but if there's no volume, there's no reason to setup systems to handle them.

Zach[m]: there are no-KYC exchanges out there that take monero

yeah i see, so BTC is just the one with the trading volume atm

IE: You don't need a TRX token/XMR pair, you'd do TRX/ETH, ETH/XMR

Zach[m]: binance, kucoin, tradeogre etc

Depends on where you live for ^ though.

IE: Binance gripes are you if you're in the US and hit their site.

Ah nice

Tone got a hard taste ofthat on BitMex

Honestly might just give up the idea of trading and just hold instead lol

As with all things, they have ups and down. Having access to an exchange means you can move in and out too if you'd like, past just day trading.

But depending on where you live, seek financial advice from a professional, yadda, yadda.

♫ The best thing to do is simply to HODL ♬

I'd love to put everything in monero but I'm worried mineXMR getting 51%

* I'd love to put everything in monero but I'm worried about mineXMR getting 51%

The rumours of 51% are exaggerated

but it would be nice if miners woke up and gave some love to smaller pools

Meh, as a pool op, I go back and forth on the issue.

I wish there was a way we could cryptographically prove we're using unmodified daemons to supply the BT's as that would solve most of the problems, as if we're running unmodified daemons, there's not really a way to do much with a 51% attack.

Particularly as most of the attacks really require modified daemons, except maybe a block-holdback you do w/ network rule blocking.

SupportXMR now with Intel(R) SGX(TM) technology!

Pretty much.

Except we need AMD's enclave because better H/S for verifications.

AMD Asic

I'm sure you could come up with some novel attacks for unmodified nodes, but it'd make the entire thing simpler, but I've yet to come up with a good solution. *shrug*

<volantaryism1[m] "sethsimmons coindesk"> twitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1387382630434418688?s=21

Absolutely nuts

Like, wow

10y old transaction traced sent him to jail

volantaryism1[m]: Are theses crypto algos quantum resiliant? I fill like the next 100 - 1000 years our impossible is going to be there trivial.

their

InigoMontoya: quantum resistant crypto is possible

and possibly a waste of time:D scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2019/01/…ting-as-a-field-is-obvious-bullshit

quantum is bullshit?

The best thing about Quantum Physics is that you can't observe it or measure it - because that influences the outcome.

true

Perfect Catch 22

;)

theres a way around it though isnt there?

It's a 1 and a 0 at THE SAME TIME!

Will you HODL XMR or dump it for Tari when it comes out? Will others?

Genius really...

if you get enough of them together in quantum entanglement then you can view the entangled particles without influencing the outcomes, i believe

Counds like some woke university wet dream.

but i dont know if thats how they are trying to do it

Sounds

Trying to do what?

observe the particles to get an outcome, if you observe it directly it influences it, but if you entangle a bunch of these you can view the ones on the sides without influence

The ligic is basically this: If I write down every letter of the English alphabet then I've already written everything that has been written and everything that could possibly be written in the future.

logic.. sorry... typos

But observing the entangled ones will influence the one you're observing as well, because they're entangled, so the one you're observing inherently has influence over the one you're indirectly observing.

no i dont think so

Well, you're the Quantum Physicist, not me.

But im not even a computer scientist, so im just saying what i have tried to understand. Its a mystery to me

I just clean toilets.

i dont even do that

i listen to podcasts and watch youtube

Fine, I was just bragging when I said I clean toilets... I actually cut grass with scissors.

.faucet

Mochi101: you joke but my neighbours do that :P

​ern: 2, 4​, __, 8

6

ern: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000066 XMR to ern [07a44527] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01722792

volantaryism1[m]: All I am trying to say is that if you want to replace a fiat currency it's needs to have the same longevity and majority people need to have confidence it's secure.

asymptotically, it;s relaxing actually

.faucet

s​ech1: How many digits do humans normally ​have on 1 hand

1

sech1: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)

.faucet

Mo​chi101: How many digits​ do humans normally have on 1 hand

5

Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000022 XMR to Mochi101 [1ad977a6] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01722572

wtf Mochi101

digits?

fingers/thumb

fucking English

I flipped my middle digit at the guy who cut me off on the highway.

sech1, you need some Russian specific questions? Maybe like: Best Russian Song Every recorded?

and the answer would be: youtube.com/watch?v=wDn4Qhx-uGo

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not clicking that

h​mmp: What​ number is FOUR

4

hmmp: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000025 XMR to hmmp [a87fec80] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01722322

so next is 3

sech1, RU

Ани Лорак и Григорий Лепс - Зеркала <--- it was this song.

I'm glad I didn't click

hahahaha

I like that song actually.

But, I don't understand the words... so maybe that's why.

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I​nge-: How​ many letters in BCH

3

Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to Inge- [63ed2e25] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01721992

.faucet

​azy: What number​ is ONE

1

azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.000005 XMR to azy [c6338214] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01721492

.balance

azy: • Your balance is: 0.0002092 XMR (≈0.09 USD)

Can anyone recommend a good open-source trading bot?

if (line_go_up)

buy

if line go up = buyelse sell

* if line go up = buy, else sell

ez

Defining "line go up" is probably the hard part.

but when to hodl?

if line go down buy

the hold

then

if line goes up dream

then hold

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n​ioc: Wha​t number is SEVEN

nah imma gud

nioc: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)

.faucet

li​thiumpt: What​ number is TWO

2

lithiumpt: @bonuspot tipped 0.000002 XMR to lithiumpt [09310328] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01721132

in 2030 i'll buy a burger with this xD

lithiumpt: in 2025 you'll buy a house with that

luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/historical.html from the 15th of Jan to the 20th the node count on bitcoin increased from 55,000 to 85,000

thats 30k extra nodes in around 3-5 days

what are the odds this is chainanalysis trying to get control of the entire network

there is no way 30k people just decide to turn on their node all at once

why would running nodes increase their control over the network?

Presumably, a node cannot tell whether another is a spy, so the spies dilute non spies in the node's peer selection.

could easily determine origin of transaction and link IPs to addresses? but I am just guessing

these are bitcoin nodes tho. I see nothing special to spy on

What's up?

xmr is up :)

against fiat

and btc

Diagnosis: you have installed your monitor upside down.

why is xmr up so big haha

good job though with atomic swap news

what news?

link?

.val 0.071082 xmr

InigoMontoya: ≈$30.2128 • ≈ value of: 0.071082 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm

I better spend all my Monero before it dips a little

How do i sync my wallet with that bot?

This is just a concept for crypto currency in general. I feel like there really may be a need for custodial accounts with the lack of technical knowledge of the average person and the potential for disaster if they lose their private keys/info. I'm wondering if there would be more options (preferably a fee paid each month and insured from theft like a bank etc) start coming to Monero like they have with Bitcoin like Coinbase

etc. As much as I think monero will see such a large gain, I don't think the average person will be transacting in it or want to be able to lose all their capital in an instant if they "mess" up.

Wondering if anyone else feels the same sentiment. Not for anyone with crypto knowledge, but I think it is a good start.

raecarruth cointelegraph.com/news/atomic-swaps…d-monero-xmr-price-to-a-3-year-high

next stop moon

Fly me to the moon. Let me play among the stars, and let me see what spring is like on Jupiter and Mars.

atoc: thanks :)

for sure - i wonder if we will get back to ATH

definitely, the bullrun on btc and eth might continue for a while but nobody wants their landlord to be mad about them not paying their rent while spending thousands of dollars on NFT's (which the landlord can see!)

.val xmr

InigoMontoya: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈422.99 • ccc/OKEX: ≈$422.08 24HΔ: 8.11% Vol: 478.48K [0m] • cmc: ≈$423.91 24HΔ: 8.68% 7DΔ: 7.28% [< 5m]

it's so hard to predict the peak of crypto markets

but xmr is the best long term hold

Yeah . . . because eventually financial privacy will become a more obviously important factor.

I suppose its USD price might go up, too, but that's more a side effect.

apotheon I agree completely

entry1: these exist already

<volantaryism1[m] "entry1: these exist already"> Referring to xmr, you're just talking about central exchanges like Kraken/Binance as far as a custodial account

entry1: why pay someone to hold your monero when you can leave it on the exchange you bought it from for free lol

Why pay for a safe deposit box when you can leave your valuables with your downstairs neighbour ?

wait

In this analogy . . .

Which is the safe deposit box service and which is the neighbor?

<volantaryism1[m] "entry1: why pay someone to hold "> Agreed. So non-tech users should just keep their funds in an exchange with their identity connected to it? Like if someone dies and they give no one their keys, that wealth is gone. Unlikely that most people using monero are sharing the keys with anyone that has any technical knowledge to recover the wallet etc (even if they pass down the seed etc). A lot of crypto will be

permanently lost when generations pass. Can't really use the same analogy to something physical as any dipshit can take gold/silver to a pawn shop. How the hell are non-tech people going to know what to do with inherited crypto without being robbed

Just food for thought, not relevant to Monero as a whole. Feel like there are going to be a slew of issues in the coming years for transferring crypto from relatives etc.

People are smart enough to understand crypto - especially if given the right info

you tell where to find the seed and then which friend to contact for wallet recovery

<volantaryism1[m] "People are smart enough to under"> Agreed, but that is going to take a long time for people to understand. Most people can't remember their email password.

<hmmp "you tell where to find the seed "> That's currently what I do lol

:)

It would be good to do a write up. Maybe I'll do that because it may help someone out. Especially planning steps because that is 99% of the work.

.val xmr

InigoMontoya: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈420.27 • ccc/LAToken: ≈$420.72 24HΔ: 7.85% Vol: 488.79K [0m] • cmc: ≈$419.82 24HΔ: 8.87% 7DΔ: 5.89% [< 1m]

420

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N​orkle: What is sqrt ​of ONE

1

Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000056 XMR to Norkle [80802527] Wait ≈1 day 4 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01720572

.faucet

ab​cdefg_irssi: Twin​s are how many

2

abcdefg_irssi: @bonuspot tipped 0.00005 XMR to abcdefg_irssi [3a7b2070] Wait ≈23 hrs 53 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01715572

.faucet

KSaunderson: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

.faucet

ap​otheon: How many letters in B​TC

3

apotheon: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000083 XMR to apotheon [973e5920] Wait ≈1 day 15 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01714742

I can count!

.faucet

s​ech1: How many l​etters in SOON

4

sech1: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000003 XMR to sech1 [d2cf1c4c] Wait ≈1 day 37 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01715712

.faucet

Zach[m]: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

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LyzaLittle: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

Ly​zaLittle: What is the​ sqrt of 1

1

LyzaLittle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000014 XMR to LyzaLittle [88581f24] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01715572

Finally got my monero node synced

.val smr

InigoMontoya: Sorry pair not found & cryptonator not yet implemented..

.val xmr

InigoMontoya: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈420.84 • ccc/LAToken: ≈$421.11 24HΔ: 4.72% Vol: 533.76K [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$420.57 24HΔ: 5.26% 7DΔ: 8.09% [< 6m]

.val 0.071654 xmr

InigoMontoya: ≈$30.186 • ≈ value of: 0.071654 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm

.help

KSaunderson: Access denied for help. Are you logged in?

Harsh :D

hah

story of my life

moneromooo: i got the new command line item working on my local checkout, the one from here: monero-project/monero #5979

there is still some error checking and stuff to do, but i can tell from debugging linesand using a command line such as: build/Linux/master/debug/bin/monerod --allow-local-ip --add-exclusive-node 192.168.1.4:18080 --p2p-external-network-address 192.168.1.4

that the handle_handshake() and try_ping() are using the new value, if supplied...

so what are the next steps? make a PR? is there some test process

Thanks!

Testing would likely require two NICs, right ?

i did think about using ip alias feature of linux

Well, if you can make a test that works on any linux, feel free ^_^

well it would require sudo i guess for the ifconfig

so probably no go?

No sudo.

So if you've tested it yourself, a PR now is fine.

If you have messy multiple commits, squash.

And rebase to latest master before PR.

sure, sounds good

Thanks :)

is morphtoken.com still not asking any questions about swaps?

If I became a core dev for Monero . . . would I have to change my username to something redolent of farm animals?

Would that be a plus or a minus ?

I haven't decided.

I haven't come up with anything better than sheepdip so far.

apotheon: Sarpedeon Noether

I'll have to keep thinking.

botcoinnotbot[m]: too long

*SARPEDON