By "files", you mean part of the chain, or other files ?

something like bittorrent with additional peers to obfuscate who's actually seeding ... nvm i have a lot more to research

all files ... a whole website for that matter

OK, I was going at it from the wrong direction. You want to see if anything from monero could be used to make ipfs more private then ?

yes, take the privacy features of monero and put them into bittorrent or ipfs ... to be fair i only mentioned ipfs since it's closer to a "web" experience

In that case nothing comes to mind. The biggest help I can think of would be large servers that eagerly cache what they see. Otherwise you always end up pointing to the original source.

Like third party pinning services. But then it's little different from a hosting provider.

why not normal peers instead of large servers

think of zeronet or something similar

sorry for throwing these technologies seemingly at random, but i'm having a hard time explaining what i actually mean

w0w

selsta: using Modelsim ?

yeap

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PiRATA: Help: .top10 - Top 10 Sharers

selsta: it's requre license from Intel

.top10 30

PiRATA: Top 10 XMR Senders in past 30 day(s): #1 philkode: ≈0.06052 ● #2 rupee[m]: ≈0.03561 ● #3 @b​onuspot: ≈0.00633 ● #4 Bi​ll48105: ≈0.00452 ● #5 Tj2cool on discord: ≈0.00125 ● #6 FIBONACCI: ≈0.00097 ● #7 somethingUniqueR: ≈0.00086 ● #8 abcdefg_irssi: ≈0.00071 ● #9 bogsuv: ≈0.00043 ● #10 donkeydonkey[m]: ≈0.00015 ● Total: ≈0.11134

10 MH eh

[mooooooo]

mew

twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683

Last time I got an award like that was in a primary school football team. It had three stars too and said that I'm special :')

I just binned it though instead of showing it off to naive groupies. What kind of preson takes a group achievement award and presents it as a proof of their individual prowess anyway?

o/

Do you also secretly wisth your mother was Howard's groupie? reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/bxl87y…s_since_monero_was_released/eq7qior

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h​mmp: What is ​sqrt of FOUR

2

hmmp: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000008 XMR to hmmp [7959fb8f] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01737447

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ye​swepump: Sum of 1st million digits of p​i, times zero

0

yeswepump: @bonuspot tipped 0.000006 XMR to yeswepump [832bd58b] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01736847

.balance

yeswepump: • Your balance is: 0.0000137 XMR (≈0.01 USD)

.balance

CameronRuggles[m: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in?

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I​nge-: Squa​re is how many sides?

4

Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000002 XMR to Inge- [d2608deb] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01736827

I'm not convinced the timer on that thing is correct

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Mo​chi101: How ​many planets in Earth solar system after Pluto was banned

9

Mochi101: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)

8?

indeed

What about Uranus, is it still a planet?

you could argue 9 since pluto wasn't *banned* just reclassified

planet sized*

The bot needs some real trivia... Like, "Who's the sexiest guy in #Monero?"

.balance

sech1: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in?

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Mo​chi101: First​ digit of pi

3.14

Mochi101: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)

fml

Bill48105, you should compile stats on this and sell it to Google.

what stat

How effective his captchas are.

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​azy: How many letters in ​MNC

3

azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.000005 XMR to azy [c7134868] Wait ≈1 day 16 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01735997

.balance

azy: • Your balance is: 0.0002042 XMR (≈0.08 USD)

.faucet

Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.000002 XMR to Mochi101 [58bdba8e] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01735797

lol

Tipped me out of pity.

they should ask how many letters in your own nick to trip u up heheh

hello

If only one of you gave Papa ChooChoo some TLC when I wrote a faster miner, instead of ignoring him, things could have happened differently np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/5lsfgt/_/dbz0jnp

"I" and "him". Hmm.

"I forgot I was writing in third person for a moment."

LOL

it's amusing seeing people pedantic over bot captchas lol

they're intentionally worded the way they are to be fun & less likely for automated parsing. nuances in language like saying "banned" are easy for a person reading it to understand it means remove 1

he's not een pretending to try to cover his tracks

at this point tho he's more of a frenemy, the fact that he persists is an indicator that the project is still succeeding

Imagine seething that hard for years 😂

<Mochi101 "3.14"> It's just 3.

no shit

pi=3

sech1, the question was 'the first digit of pi'

and me being a dumbass...

Does anyone use CakeWallet?

Yes.

I have a question maybe you can answer

So i made a exchange and i have a balance, i made 2 purchases and need to send 2 payments. I sent one payment, and now my available balance says 0 but my full balance says the correct amount.

Wait 10 blocks.

ah gotcha

Change is locked for 10 blocks.

Thank you

I like this monero its pretty slick

That's because all your monero is made up of a single output.

Oh, So it can only handle one outgoing transaction at a time?

no.... it can handle as many txns as you have separate coins

if you break a $20 bill into 20 $1 bills it's the same idea

rekt

one of the servers died?

Or a $20 bill into 20 billion 10 millionths cent coins.

matrix bridged users. they do that all the time

now we'll get to see them all join back

captainbeast hatchingeggs, now that's a bit creepy

You can read sentences in join/part messages

interesting, not seeing any of that on my end

Maybe we got them slightly out of sequence ?

I don't think IRC has a canonical sequence.

some clients hide them or optional to see join/part

yeah pretty sure I never disabled that option

and I usually see IRC part msgs

entered/left the room

I wonder if some clients are config'd to not send any such msg

the good news is it's a good test on if i fixed the excess flood issue for part/join which seems i have

Hey, I've set up my full monero node a while back, however it looks like I have no incomming connections

>64(out)+0(in) connections

probably blocked by firewall

I have port 18080 tcp/udp allowed though

Does your router pass it through to the right machine though ?

the machine `monerod` is on has both public ipv4 and ipv6 addresses

is it possible that `monerod` is using only one interface for p2p?

What mooo is saying is did you set up port forwarding on your router?

i have interface with a NATed connection a interfaces with public addresses

<angrymonkeyboi[m "What mooo is saying is did you s"> the machine is a router itself

* i have interface with a NATed connection a interfaces with public addresses (some of them tunnels etc.)

👀

Emoji just don't really tend to come through well in my font.

Is that a pair of eyes?

I don't even have fonts with emojis installed :D

0_o

or similar

I see.

O_O

* i have interface with a NATed connection and an interfaces with public addresses (some of them tunnels etc.)

<Pepin[m] "the machine is a router itself"> In that case, see if you can connect with the daemon from a different machine to see if it's reachable

<angrymonkeyboi[m "In that case, see if you can con"> monerod provides restricted RPC on `0.0.0.0` and `::`, that works well

sorry, that's all I had. I only set mine up for personal (local) use

thanks anyways

moneromooo: is it possible that `monerod` uses only one interface for p2p? I have a default route via a firewalled NATed connection, but have other interfaces with reachable public ipv4 addresses

Most definitely.

I also don't see any ipv6 addresses in sync_info, which is quite weird, as I'm running monerod with p2p-use-ipv6=1

Well at least I finally have a real incentive to look around the codebase :D

Hey, are Hungarian translations wanted in any capacity?

I think all translations are welcome

Hi all. I am looking to run Monero GUI (Linux) through Tor and am not finding support for this. Any help? (from 198.144.120.*)

There is a contrib/tor/monero-over-tor.sh script which should help.

Well, for monerod.

Thanks, moneromooo. I don't know quite how to run that. Is there a command I run? (from 198.144.120.*)

It creates a hidden service so you can connect your wallet to it.

Yes, you run that script on the machine running monerod (ie, some vps). Then you should be able to run the GUI with torsocks to that hidden service, in theory.

Is there an exchange I can buy monero at for WA state US residents?

botcoinnotbot[m]: maybe try #monero-translations

Try binance, kraken, bitfinex.

Does your country have specific bans ?

kreken does not operate in WA state. I tried.

maybe kucoin

kulak: VPNs can help you get around geo restrictions

Hi moneromooo. Thank you. Admittedly still over my head. Does getmonero.org have a step-by-step guide on this? I have not found it. (from 198.144.120.*)

Can't think of one.

ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md has doc on this, though it's not a step by step do-this-to-get-it-working IIRC.

anyone have the link to the transaction with over 4000 ring members?

<botcoinnotbot[m] "anyone have the link to the tran"> ... what?

in breaking monero Sarang mentions that someone once made a tx with over 4000 before the fixed 11

I am in US and bitfinex does not operate there.

How did we manage to end up with some internet services not operating in some geographical places... :S

no kidding hey

I get blocked by US web sites based on geolocation all the time too

almost like it was a bad idea to think that you could bolt on privacy to an internet standard after the fact

Many US new sources just outright block EU.

news

or is it EU blocking because of GDPR

Can't really blame them though. EU Communists

No nioc.

well from here that is an issue

For now they don't do that.

Will monero help to get out of EU? Hmm

thought maybe it affected the other way as well

They'd like to have a Great Firewall as well... believe me.

it's not the EU that is for tracking everyones very move. so who's the communists now

moneromooo: hopefully crypto can make more people stop giving a fuck what regulators in their countries think

I think half of them want to, half doesn't or something. Better than China Russia or USA but still not super duper good.

Housing in my country is more expensive than in big USA cities, despite USA wages being multiple times larger than here. What a fucking shithole.

binance does not do Monero, kraken - does not operate in WA state; bitfinex - does not operate in US. robinhood - does not trade monery. any other option I missed? I am not going to do VPN...

did you try kucoin

Buy whatever on binance and trade into XMR?

botcoinnotbot[m]: I care what regulators think here even with cryptocurrencies, because what regulators think determines how I work the privacy angle.

21:39 < nioc> or is it EU blocking because of GDPR

It's probably more that the companies in question block EU visitors because they don't want to deal with GDPR.

Push comes to shove, there is morphtoken, sideshift, fixedfloat.

moneromooo: Unfortunately, I don't really trust visiting sideshift.ai because it seems to use CloudFlare.

I don't know about morphtoken or fixedfloat. I don't think I've heard of those before.

apotheon: yes

Oh, I've looked at FixedFloat. It doesn't use CloudFlare.

I haven't used it, though.

Yeah. Not sure what we can do about cloudflare though. It's like the mafia. Wherever you go, they're there and you can't do anything about it.

Why don't you trust using cloudflare?

You still have to trust the site itself, the middleman doesn't change much

It's a big centralized thing that tracks a bunch of shit

.

AFAIK cloudflare has the sites' secret SSL keys and can MITM their https traffic.

It's also US based.

So, you connect with SSL/HTTP to some site but... hey, they're still reading it.

and yeah, what moneromooo said

It's almost certainly a US NSA plant. And if not, it's almost certanly pwned by them.

NSA? Morono protects me.

And maybe various other TLAs. It's way too juicy a target to get left alone

Yeah, but what, the site itself gets to look at the traffic too.

I don't really speculate about things being explicitly in bed with the NSA, generally, but the NSA likely has fingers in there even if it's not company policy to have an open door for the NSA.

Hiding from cloudflare is not a solution for anynomity

Hiding from CloudFlare is a solution to reducing the number of "trusted" parties.

What country are you in Pepin[m]? Singapore?

Wat... So... next time you talk dirty to your SO, you'd be fine about some stranger listening in, because your SO also hears it ?

right

What is that kind of argument -_-

that's another way to put it

the sites are seperated but cloudfare will build a profile on you because they can read nearly 100% of your traffic

vpn

and for what they can't directly sniff, they confinced firefox to implement that "secure dns" stuff that terminates on their network

It's one-stop shopping for malicious security crackers and TLAs, plus CloudFlare may well be selling data in large masses to other companies.

Also let's not forget that the majority of guys here use backdoored x86 platforms...

har

It's difficult to find a way around that with hardware that still does what you need, unfortunately. I'm hoping that advancing technology and RISC-V will help us get around it some day.

And they make it much harder for tor users to use the web. They claim they love tor but they give website owners an easy to use "block tor" option while claiming "we did not push that option, we let the website do it so it's not our failt we really love tor".

Fucking twats.

Pepin[m]: Are you saying we shouldn't use a privacy-oriented cryptocurrency because everyone's being surveilled anyway?

he is

Pepin[m]: Why bother with Monero on Android, iOS, and Intel stuff?

Just use your credit card with Apple Pay and whatever the fuck Google calls its shit.

post some dick picks while you're at it

No, please don't.

ok ok, just little ones

all corps based in the USA are back dooredper the patriot act by the NSA

CloudFlare also tends to fuck over anyone who isn't using Firefox or a Blink-based browser . . . and maybe some shit specifically on Apple platforms, but even most (independent) WebKit browsers get fucked by CloudFlare's captcha.

apotheon: no, I'm just saying theres not a good reason to not use a crypto site simply for it using cloudflare

Cloudflare is not the only mitm by the way, there is also AWS and others

Mochi101: Only little dicks . . . ?

apotheon: how do they fuck those different browsers?

Pepin[m]: If there's another site that is about as good and doesn't use CloudFlare, I think that's a win.

I don't want to pus words in your mouth, but are you claiming that because it's not perfect we shold not try to do better because it won't be perfect ?

Pepin[m]: I don't understand why you don't think so.

charolastra: They treat them like bots and make you try the captcha thing, then usually just loop instead of letting users through.

If so, I'll just put your on /ignore right away for trolling and for being the kind of person that prevents humanity from improving.

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N​orkle: Snow White + he​r dwarfs

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Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000001 XMR to Norkle [754986fc] Wait ≈1 day 56 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01727457

(I read it that way but it might not have been he intent)

It seems like the intent is that I should ignore whether CloudFlare has a tap on the line.

I'm really not sure why.

Yeah, that's def not the intention :D also let's not forget that some sites are simply forced to use cloudflare, not everyone has the $$$ for ddos proof infrastructure and connectivity

I think the person making the argument might realize what they're saying if we rephrase as: Alice says she'll stay clear of any place where Bob, a known groper, is staying. Then Charles tells here why is she doing this since Dave is also a groper.

.bal

"nice site you have there. would be a pitty if something happens to it"

fibonacci: 0.00001 XMR (≈$0)

Rich

My point is, cloudflare being used on a site doesn't really change much, since you still have to trust the site itself, which may be backdoored exactly like cloudflare is.

If the site is otherwise trustworthy, using CloudFlare is a clear and obvious net loss.

Your argument is "why take precautions looking both sides before crossing the street since you miss a car just rounding the corner".

Yeah, that's true

It's *better*, not perfect.

If you give the site a 50% chance or being otherwise trustworthy, and it's using CloudFlare, you've now reduced the trustworthiness of things from 50% to 0%.

I'd rather have a 50% chance.

(I also think that with some of these the chance is notably higher than 50%.)

(except for CloudFlare)

I mean if you'd argue it's too much of a pain etc, fair enough. But claiming you might end up screwed anyway so let's increase the chance you get screwed, well, that's wtf.

yep

moneromooo: It's times like this I'm glad you're a prolific contributor to Monero.

apologies if I understate your involvement

Well you shouldn't be trusting any party to not get screwed

do nothing, then

You have to effectively trust someone eventually.

. . . or just sit in a cave until you die of thirst, I suppose.

The key is to make rational choices about it, carefully, according to your priorities.

Yeah :/

Sadly, I often forget about cloudflare shit because when it doesn't spam you with captchas, it's transparent. Then you forget about the slient MITM.

So it's hard to make a rsational choice here.

moneromooo: Turn off client side scripting by default, and you'll see CloudFlare stick out like a sore thumb a lot more.

How do we deal with the cloudflare problem then? Its clear there is a lot of demand for such a service.

(especially over Tor)

Pepin[m]: Make decisions about what sites you're willing to visit when they use CloudFlare.

Well, one solution would be to buy it and disband it. But it requires shitloads of money, and someone else would make another anyway.

You could also blackhole all cloudflare IPS, but that is a bit extreme :D

Well, there are sites that use cloudflare that I'd rather use rather that not. THe decision is per site.

So blackholing isn't a good solution either.

yep

I'd say that having scripting turned off by default over Tor is kind of a necessity.

It shows you a lot of places you shouldn't visit.

In fact, client-side scripting itself is not trustworthy a lot of the time.

Outside of Tor, I2P, or something like that, you presumably don't have as high a privacy expectation, so it's not as much of an issue.

You could blackhole them for the browser config you use with Tor, and not for the browser config you use for clearnet.

But again, small websites would have a really hard time without cloudflare. The solution might be new internet...

Have you seen gemini protocol?

Not really usable, but it's fun to tinker with I suppose

Doesn't gemini lack encryption?

I recall hearing that somewhere.

I'd say we could use gemini a lot more if it does support encryption.

No client side scripting

. . . or use I2P a lot more.

Thing is, the cloudlare using websites I'd prefer to keep using don't use it :)

. . . and get people to stop throwing piles of client side scripting all the damned time.

Both client side and server side encryption, no reliance on cert authorities

(well, I assume, and I'd be utterly flabbergasted if they did)

IIRC gemini is very barebones.

(for good reasons, mind)

Gemini doesn't solve the cloudflare problem though

Shall Gemini ever become popular, cloudflares for Gemini will emerge

Probably doesn't, since CF is lower level, yes.

The protocol is barebones

The web clients support image and rendering of other media

i missed the cloudflare hate memo

Being specialized with text removes the need for cloudflare

Bill48105: MITM

is there known exploit or just fretting

obviously it adds risk

Well cloudflare can read all the traffic

so does every router traffic passes but that's different for unbroken encryption

There's a conspiracy cf works with NSA etc..

NSA? Morono protects me.

nsa runs cloudflare don't they LoL

dunno it's good to be aware but not tin foil hat paranoid

reminds me of people who think there's gps trackers in USD bills

obviously they can track money.. but not like that LoL

<Pepin[m] "Not really usable, but it's fun "> Definitely: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/mltp21…but_upvotes_are_monero_transactions

<anon_82641[m] "Being specialized with text remo"> No, cloudflare is mostly used as a ddos mitigating service

don't some sites only use cloudflare to verify you upon entry then hand off session for the site up talk directly not thru them?

22:36 < Bill48105> so does every router traffic passes but that's different for unbroken encryption

CloudFlare gets a free pass on the encryption.

Routers don't.

right read what i said closer

<Bill48105 "don't some sites only use cloudf"> They could be using only their captcha, but otherwise all traffic goes though them

What you said is unclear.

<Pepin[m] "No, cloudflare is mostly used as"> Haven't tor websites solved this problem?

right so I'm

in that case it's moot

CloudFlare has solved the problem by making it effectively impossible for many browsers to reach the site at all.

if they only use captcha

Endless captcha loops are kinda user-hostile.

who signed the cert?

you leave

you love them

<apotheon "Endless captcha loops are kinda "> Yet everyone uses them, even with cloudflare

<apotheon "Endless captcha loops are kinda "> Well I have to say googles captcha is worse :D

Many sits use CloudFlare captcha, yeah. It sucks.

It's also a good indication they don't want many people's business.

You can have a gemini website require a client cert and refuse to process requests that don't have them

There is a better captcha though: iqcaptcha.us.to

Google almost-everything is crap.

Any thoughts on hcaptcha?

man i hate typing on phone lol

heading out for some dinner-related stuff

ta

good luck and enjoy

Pepin: its not a conspiracy since the snowden leaks... the patriot act has a section that forces all companies located within the US to hand over all user data

especially if that data comes from outside of the US

section 215 I think, not to sure tho