chad[m]: apotheon churning is useful in certain circumstances and there are ways of getting it wrong

for regular use churning is not necessary

nioc thanks for the reply. Are you aware of any wallet's that facilitate coin selection, or at least some ability to make sure I'm churning my outputs to the degree I require?

you can do so in the CLI with sweep_single

why do you think that you need to do so ?

there are more ways to churn incorrectly than to do it right

I might be getting it wrong but it only seems only necessary to churn if you are receiving txs from someone who knows your identity and sending to someone who knows your identity and they exchange info

remove the second only

that's mainly it

the whole EAE attack scenario could happen though without you knowing

I mean, if you buy XMR from an exchange, send to a merchant, and they immediately cash out using the same exchange - you have no way of knowing the merchant is doing that

would that apply if you only did so once or does that scenario need to be repeated for a connection to be reveled ?

I guess a repeat makes it obvious

as you said, there's plenty of ways to churn wrong and make things worse.

best case I suppose is to sweep single outputs by themselves

I mean, the very best if you withdraw from an exchange is that you receive a single output. so you only need to do one sweep_single.

if you receive multiple outputs you'd want to sweep them individually at randomly separated times

if they ever get combined in the same txn that kind of gives it all away

when knacc talked about it in MRL even sweeping single outputs b4 combining seemed to be wrong, very confusing (removed a c as to not ping him :) )

well, combining is probably the bigger issue there

somehow made things worse

not sure that's a big issue any more, ever since ringCT

.shrug

yes with RingCT

I mean, before that we had denominated outputs

so you were pretty much always receiving multiple outputs

you either leave a trail to the past or the future depending on you churning methods

now, you should pretty much always be receiving a single output of the exactly correct amount

Are there security flaws for using the Monero wallet private key also for a crypto lock login system (github.com/monero-ecosystem/Monero-Crypto-Lock)?

Would love to discuss this. Anybody?

<D.A. Rothschild> Anyone try Moneroswap? It's got some good reviews on dread

<D.A. Rothschild> xmrswap3xdn46qn3zw3gd27lfvk6upkhrmaroxtpld4ag4itljsqb6yd.onion

<D.A. Rothschild> I need a new btc to xmr exchange after xmr.is disappeared and they seem promising

anonmon777[m] well I guess if it's just public/private key stuff and you create a wallet dedicated to auth and don't have any funds without looking into it it sounds fine

DisBotXMR1: swapspace.co is an aggregator that tells you the best rate out of a load of different instant exchanges.

I'd prefer entering a passphrase before unlocking it each time

<DisBotXMR1 "<D.A. Rothschild> I need a new b"> Are you after a decentralized exchange or does it not matter as long as you can exchange between the two?

.balance

BigBoiiMike: • Your balance is: 0.0000252 XMR (≈0.01 USD)

woot

tips accepted all day errrrrday

This is just sad. Looking at other privacy coins that exist, there are very few that seem to be as developed as Monero. Firo seems like a mess due to 2miners.com having over 51% of the network (Comparing their pool hashrate to the network earlier showed around 70% of the network on their pool) and others just seem to be abandoned or privacy opt-in rather than the privacy always on approach of Monero which as most of us will

probably know is not good enough for actual privacy.

That's without touching on the problem that most seem to be ASIC friendly which seriously hurts the ability for people like us to mine them with reasonable hardware.

Just started mining with home pc. cpu got up to 103 degrees! Whats the way to configure xmrig to ust only a portion of the cpu power?

I received some Monero, why is it showing up in my transaction history but not in my primary account in the Monero GUI?

<dxrwzy9y[m] "I received some Monero, why is i"> Which system and Monero GUI are you using?

The official one from the Monero website

Using a ledger hardware wallet

Could you go to the transaction history and say the blockheight of the receiving transaction?

Or look at the confirmations at the same page

Just checked the ledger app, I'm gonna update my firmware now

Make sure that your seed is written down before updating firmware if it isn't already

I did that when I first got it

👍️

Okay it's showing up now :D

Wait what's total unlocked balance? How do I unlock it?

How many confirmations, just to know? It might have just been a UX problem of unconfirmed transaction if under around 20.

^unlocked after 10 confirmations, 1 confirmation over ~2 minutes

It says 3/10

Oh I see

It's 4 now

Sounds like it put the transaction into history when it was found in the mempool but didn't add it to unconfirmed balance until first confirmation

<Drgonz0 "Just started mining with home pc"> In the CPU configuration part of the ``config.json`` file you can manually enable or disable cores by adding or removing them.

Okay good to know

Generally speaking if it's that bad I'd recommend you try to disable every other core and then slowly add cores back until it's in a comfortable temperature zone. If it's still bad with half of your cores, you can dial it even further back if needed. I doubt you'll have to do that but use your best judgement.

.faucet

I​nge-: How many letters​ in flap

4

Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000012 XMR to Inge- [5c416ecb] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01683731

<kijari[m] "This is just sad. Looking at oth"> yeah, absolutely

the focus on asic resistance of monero is a major selling point for me

the fact that other 'privacy coins' are so mediocre does provide me with confidence that picking monero as a favorite is wise :P

so hey, an advantage there

Hello guys. Noob here. How can I mine monero. What is a good wallet?

You can either mine alone or in a pool. Alone means it's private, you have large variance (you get a whole block of monero but very very seldom), you pay no pool fee.

Pool means you mine for a pool, which pays you later when blocks are found, payments more often but small slices at a time.

The pool miner is usually xmrig. It can also mine to the daemon if you want to mine alone. xmrig hashes faster than monerod.

To mine alone: in monerod, once synced, you run: start_mining ADDRESSHERE N

N is the number of threads to mine on. You can tweak N to see what works best for your computer.

For pool mining, you get xmrig from github and choose a pool. Don't pick one of the two big ones, it's dangerous.

Then the pool you choose will typically have a sample xmrig command to use to mine to it.

You can use townforge.net/cgi-bin/choose_pool to pick a pool. If it gives you one with > 25% hash rate, you may want to reload.

As for good wallets, monero-wallet-cli is a good wallet. I hear good things about Feather wallet too.

And monero-wallet-gui.

my securitynerve tickles when I see monerod doing upnp by default. Didn't notice that before

thanks a lot moneromooo does monero have official discord?

zib: I mean, upnp is trivially blocked on your router, and it's good for the network because it means more nodes with open inbound connections

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fluffypony: Sure. But I would still expect it to be disabled by default. I'm not a fan of software, yet alone privacy sw, poking holes in a fw without asking. It's a minor thing but it causes an itch :D "Normal" People might not know that it's happening and their ISP or whatever can now see they use monero.

You might be confused about what this does. Or alternatively I might.

it just forwards 18080

In case it's me, can you explain why the use of this system would cause their ISP to see they use monero while they would otherwise not ?

Well scanning for 18080 isn't illegal but mitm/sniffing a customers traffic is in most places

Not saying it would happen. Just saying it shouldn't be default

you don't even need deep packet inspection

Emphasis on "while they would otherwise not".

your ISP would know that you've got connections with a 18080 source port / destination port

and that's enough

ok ISP was maybe a bad example. Let's say anyone instead :D

Anyway, it doesn't poke holes. It asks the router to open it if it was configured to do so. Otherwise it won't.

Now, some might be configured to do so by default, and that'd be a fair point.

I understand it's probably pointless. But there's still no reason for it to be default imho. Just like asking a client to "background mine" etc you could ask a client about this

moneromooo: You mean 99.9%? :D

There is, you missed the reason above. Let me paste it...

<@fluffypony> zib: I mean, upnp is trivially blocked on your router, and it's good for the network because it means more nodes with open inbound connections

zib: you don't want to prevent a node from starting up because you require interactivity

a wallet is different

It's the same as IGD, right ? (fairly sure it is, just not 100% sure)

fluffypony: It doesn't have to be something that has to be configured on startup. I've never used the GUI wallet but i'm sure you can get some prompt

moneromooo: So we're assuming all users know or can disable upnp in their router?

we're assuming that anyone who is sensitive about it has disabled it on their router

lots of software (eg. Bittorrent, media servers, VMS for security cameras) uses UPNP so it's not even out of the ordinary

I know. And alot of easy to hack chinese webcams. Doesn't mean you can't be different :D

Is there such a thing as proof of funds in monero?

You can prove your wallet balance is >= some threshold.

At a given height.

Do you have a link to some documentation?

No.

Ah, it's called proof of reserve

thanks

Running those commands in monero-wallet-cli without any params should hopefully give you a synopsis.

{get,check}_reserve_proof I think.

Oh well. You probably thought this trough but i'm never going to like it :D

fluffypony: More important. Did you get the LMX yet?

yes - but not received yet, will only be later in the year

v. excited

:)

I reserved also. But if covid drags out longer they can't hold it

does this channel support faucet or beg?

i think there is a faucet bot.

.beg

Metamorphosis: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 13 hours to go.

.beg

Mo​chi101: How long is the str​ing DGD

3

Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000066 XMR to Mochi101 [f6b18a5f] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01682011

.faucet

Mochi101: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 24 hours to go.

what... they're the same?

.faucet

m​foolb: Twins are how ma​ny

2

mfoolb: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000035 XMR to mfoolb [97fd73b8] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01681661

.balance

mfoolb: • Your balance is: 0.00646654 XMR (≈2.99 USD)

.balance

Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000218 XMR (≈0.01 USD)

.faucet

azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to azy [1ec4a9ba] Wait ≈23 hrs 57 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01681331

.balance

azy: • Your balance is: 0.0002362 XMR (≈0.11 USD)

.beg

parazyd: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

p​arazyd: How many chars in flu​ng

5

parazyd: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to parazyd [8346e58a] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01680781

How does this work?

.balance

Metamorphosis: • Your balance is: 0 XMR

Oh, I am poor

.faucet

parazyd: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 26 hours to go.

anyone declares crypto gain to CRA?

don't have to worry about gains if you hodl

.duckcall

Metamorphosis: ・゜゜・。。​・゜゜(')> 🦆 'QUACK QUACK!!'

.bang

Metamorphosis: YOU GOT HIM! Time: ≈3.08 sec Ratio: 3 of 3 Bullets: 1 of 2

.reload

Metamorphosis: You're reloaded with 2 bullets & 2 treats.

.bal

Metamorphosis: 0 XMR

.bang

Metamorphosis: WTDuck you shootin at? They'll come when they're ready or try .duckcall

.reload

Metamorphosis: You're reloaded with 2 bullets & 2 treats.

Metamorphosis: please not in this channel

ok. sry

you can do it directly with wallet or in #tippero

o_O

hey, when adding a peer to the monerod.conf file you im guessing you dont have to add the "--" right?

thanks

Yes.

add-peer=IP

or add-priority-node=IP

thanks! btw another noob question here, do I have to do anything special in order to connect to onion nodes

Yes, run a tor server.

You'll also want to run --tx-proxy, see ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md for details.

Also getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/tor_wallet.html

There's a script in contrib/tor or so which does it.

last question, are there any high bandwidth performance nodes you would recommend for an initial sync?

no

just increase out_peers

it should saturate your bandwidth to the point that the bottleneck is somewhere else

hey, should i be worried about this

Of course.

botcoinnotbot[m]: what script is this?

also which OS?

it says shasum command not found which should be installed everywhere

shasum ? Or sha256sum ?

"sha" is underspecified

sha++

botcoinnotbot[m]: `shasum --version`

what does this return on your system?

run alias shasum=sha256sum and run again

(run the command "alias shasum=sha256sum", then run ./download_monero_binaries.sh again)

the script uses `shasum -a256` which should work fine on debian

at least it works on my ubuntu VPS

games should be disabled on Wallet in here now

works on mine too

o yeah, maybe just try to install shasum

sethsimmons: ^

i did alias `shasum=sha256sum` but i still get the tampered message

don't do alias shasum=sha256sum

.faucet

or wait

D​uvio: How ma​ny letters in heat

4

Duvio: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000046 XMR to Duvio [ae27d019] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01676991

botcoinnotbot[m]: change shasum -a256 to sha256sum in this file: gist.githubusercontent.com/sethsimm…021/raw/download_monero_binaries.sh

was having same issue after changing to sha256sum, so i went back to using ubuntu and it was fine

not sure what exactly is different on debian

exceptions happening randomly, rarely. last time happened when connecting to a remote node. termbin.com/ghcp

Use your own node.

sorry for all of the questions, but when i add a peer to the config file (add-peer=) and then try to start monerod it says `Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081`

Is your daemon running on that machine and that port ?

er, wait

monerod says that ?

where can you buy domain names for monero?

njal.la

moneromooo: i am already using my node.

moneromooo: my node which is remote node.

that log is from the node.

selsta: anything else?

moneromooo: other than that, monerod is running well ~2tb upload in 3 weeks

that log is from monero-wallet-rpc

as for the monerod i can't see anything related in the log (until i increase verbosity (maybe))

OK. Is it a slow connection ?

Slow or unreliable.

dedicated 1gbps, unreliable no as it's 95% percentile is about 300mbps

And is it synced ? Syncing would take the main blockchain mutex for long periods of time, which would stop most RPC.

at the moment of the error i am not sure if it was fully synced. i will check logs.

moneromooo: it is fully synced. i assume more verbose logs will be needed, will restart daemons for more logs a bit later.

the last log related to sync i see it 2021-05-09 18:27:41.069 [P2P7] INFO global src/cryptonote_core/blockchain.cpp:1247 REORGANIZE SUCCESS! on height: 2357325, new blockchain size: 2357327

but i assume that should be ok

nvm, will get back with more logs

Seems fine, yes.

Unexpected recv fail is typically a timeout.

will keep an eye on it

so what is the current status of atomic swaps?

People are working on it. At least two teams/projects.

PoCs exist, along with a testnet MVP by COMIT. Work on the full suite is being done by Farcaster, still.

what is recommended configuration for solo mining monero ?

Fast Ryzen, lots of cache.

There is a site called monerobenchmark.something IIRC, probably com.

with an s too probably

You may want to use xmrig, which can mine to monerod, and is faster than monerod.

synaps3: Also, use a pool that is not a significant percentage of the total mining on the Monero network, and consider trade-offs between connecting your mining rig via anonymity network (I2P or Tor) for privacy versus clearnet for less latency.

Pool selection is not relevant for solo mining.

Oh, solo mining.

I missed "solo".

I *just* woke from a nap. Sorry.

Don't worry, all stormtroopers also did.

I was just going to make a Star Wars joke.

. . . but I'm slow, with this whole nap issue.

Carbonite too ?

couch, actually

It's one of those couches where the ends recline, though.

I think I'm going to call it an "accleration couch" from now on.

except without missing a letter

You wrote too fast.

indeed

synaps3: I think another good recommendation, for Solo mining, is to give your mining rig the hostname "slave1".

hehehe or "botnet11546"

1138

kayabaNerve where can I find whitepapers/resources, i tried looking but I can't seem to find any execept some lonely github repos or newssites

The original WP is on h4sh3d's GitHub at github.com/h4sh3d/xmr-btc-atomic-sw…/blob/master/whitepaper/xmr-btc.pdf. The first PoC was github.com/MerosCrypto/asmr (full disclaimer; it's mine).

Farcaster design docs are at github.com/farcaster-project/RFCs. Core libs are github.com/farcaster-project/farcaster-core.

Can't comment on COMIT though

Oh. Farcaster does do monthly updates on Reddit

would it be possible to do pooled mining in a decentralized way by doing something like p2pool but with a layer 2 solution?

with p2pool, the situation is basically you have a gearing ratio, right

so if main chain has 10 minutes/block, sharechain has 1 minute per block say, so you need 10x less work to find a block

but the problem is there's a lower limit

but say you get together with a friend to mine, 50/50, blocks of the sharechain

then you can get a gearing ratio of 20x

so you'd send him all the shares you find, and vice versa, and then you'd publish it to sharechain once you got something big enough

(and you'd demand that the sharechain template was to pay 50% to you and 50% to him, and ensure that was true in the shares you saw)

This reduces the problem to a simple "who goes first", which I think could be solved in other ways.

kayabaNerve: so what you are saying is that the protocol has been decided, the mathematical theory is sound, and now the only work left is the implementation?

better implementations

feasible ones

what about economic considerations? what if a large number of bitcoin sellers want to buy monero but there are not enough moneros being offered - who gets to execute trades? how are prices set?

supply and demand

apotheon, i'd solo mine

for the network :D

if there is not enough monero to sell at current price, price goes up

buy low sell high

synaps3: cool

synaps3: I wasn't sure whether you were looking for profit, or what.

I kinda feel like Monero's worth mining even if you just break even on purchasing power.

i wanna support the network

i really like monero

cool

best cryptocurrency imo

what is purchasing power ?

breaking even on purchasing power is . . .

before: I have enough fiat currency to buy thirty pieces of pie.

after: I have enough Monero to buy thirty pieces of pie.

synaps3: Basically, purchasing power is how much of common commodities your collection of currency denominations can buy.

aha got it

<throwd "anonmon777 well I guess if it's "> That would be the best way. Why do you think a wallet with founds would be problematic?

apotheon: the current issue is: i know where to buy thirty pieces of pie with fiat. i dn't know where i can spend my moneros....

converting electric bill to Monero is pretty dope even at like, a 90$ return

90%*

apotheon: and the amount of goods that you can buy depends on locale

You have to ask your hairdresser, driver, employee, etc.

Lyza: Measure the purchasing power at the time you use it, I guess.

thommy: true

It's a difficult calculation.

Yeah, but convincing someone, even technical ppl, is not easy. I'm trying to teach a friend how to use monero and maybe I'll be lucky and convince him to buy some.

how to convince normies to buy crypto 101 : step 1: tell him "it will make you rich" . step 2: ... step 3: profit?

If i could pay my bills with moneros that would be so peak

You have enough to pay your bills?

anonmon777[m] Well you'd need to unlock your wallet each time you needed to sign something. If you're running an RPC server and your wallet is unlocked and someone else could interact with it then they'd also have access to your funds (I don't knwo what the RPC server provides). Just seems better to seperate 2 valuable things, your passwords, and your funds

It's also what they reccomend in the video on their page

Doomer: thats exacly what i've been doing. "I told him: remember when i told you to buy? and you didn't? look at the price now!"

thommy and it worked?

Doomer: nah, I'm not exacly rich lol, i like the technology and idea behind moneros

Doomer: It's still a work in progress, I hope that I can convince him to install it this week

thommy same. i was fascinated by the blockchain as a technology and as a potentially alternative for our economic system in the far future.

yet i dont actually own any.

but I think he was receptive to the concept when I explained the benefits

cause it's practically illegal in my country

We won't tell your government if you get some monero

It's (still) in my country :)

I think I maybe should start to mine some...

You should, it's pretty straightforward

thommy: Convince people you don't even know to use it by offering some goods or services payable in Monero. In fact, if you provide goods and services somehow, offer them at a discount if the client/customer pays in Monero.

throwd well the thing is it pretty hard to get your hand on any. the only way i know of is either if you have relatives from outside the country or if you trust a shady local

who would 99% scam you

thowd: but I only have old PCs so I'm not sure if i even get to mine anything at all

thommy: If you know of local entrepreneurs running lifestyle businesses, and you need their goods or services, offer to pay in Monero at current exchange rates, and point out that cryptocurrencies tend to gain value relative to fiat currency over time, so that they can actually profit from taking Monero.

I had some old parts laying around and I used them to start mining. The returns were bad compared to the power used, but it was an exercise that I found enjoyable and lead me to buying newer equipment for it

throwd wanna sell me some monero in exchange for our national worthless shit currency?

You make it sound so appealing lol

it's so worthless they decided to not integrate us into paypal

Doomer: I think 98% is more realistic, by the way.

yeh 98% would scam me the other 2% would sell at an extraordinary inflated price

Well . . . just sit on it a while and Monero value may climb past that point.

Are there any electronic sites that take monero?

I say all this stuff, but I know it's difficult to actually do some of it. I struggle with it, too. Those are the most straightforward ways I know to pursue the stated goals, though, combined with the mining option.

apotheon: that's actually an excellent idea; it's called "the good currency drives the bad one out of business"; at this point in history I'm waiting for the prommised hyperinflation due to central banks printing money like crazy and increasing monetary supply to never before seen levels - it's just a question of when ppl will notice their fiat is wothless

throwd: yes, one moment

throwd: I'll find the link.

sorry for being butthurt but this week a guy was sentenced to prison in my country JUST for owning cryptos

How did they find out?

Is there a news article maybe?

throwd: getmonero.org/community/merchants

the guy was selling it

Thank you apotheon

yes

throwd: not a wide range of useful stuff, but there's definitely stuff

the thing is we dont even have a law about cryptos,  they arrest them for "owning foreign currency"

 which is illegal in here

About mining at a "loss", though, it's also worth considering the fact that the loss can be reversed by expected increases in the ratio of Monero purchasing power to fiat currency purchasing power.

tunisia?

unless you're one of the few who are allowed

yes

oof for owning foreign currency

It just takes time for that ratio to change enough to overcome the inefficiency of mining with suboptimal hardware and electricity prices.

i heard there was some foreign crypto mining business operating there too

yea one of the few allowed

I've been to Tunisia, in the mid-1990s. It was an interesting experience.

that's the thing foreigners are allowed, locals not so much at least legally

I did not go to the parts of Tunisia in travel agency posters.

where did you go?

thats tough man not sure what to say

Doomer: somewhere inland, in shepherd country; dunno even where on a map it was

the ppl need to assert the rights they wish to have... or escape if they can

Doomer: I was US military at the time, and doing some joint training stuff with Tunisian special operations units.

louipc not enough people care.

apotheon when was that?

pre 2011?

Doomer: or scared

yeah

23:52 < apotheon> I've been to Tunisia, in the mid-1990s. It was an interesting experience.

It was only a few days.

louipc neh not scared.  luckily tunisia is a long way from that past

Doomer: people are even scared in canada

In Canada!?

yes

What's going on in Canada

tunisia is political anarchy but not in authoritarianism no more

scared of prison or fines

For crypto?

throwd: pandemic authoritarianism

prisons for cryptos?

im just saying ppl generally scared of authority

I don't know too much about that. I've heard that you get slapped with fines for going outside

throwd: yea but also a canadian crypto exchanged was subpoenaed for all users personal data

they are doing that too

louipc: Was that a fishing expedition, or were they looking for some specific person?

its all part of the money grubbing tax systems allover the world

. . . or pretending to look for some specific person to get access to a bunch of data for fishing expeditions?

Is requesting data for all users legal in Canada?

apotheon: dragnet i think

throwd: good question

I'm not clear on the relevant legal situation in Canada.

they dont care about laws

I don't think I've been to Canada since the '80s.

If it isn't legal, they could have a loophole for money laundering or something

I've only been to Canada once it was nice. I was surprised how clean it was

I even saw someone sweeping a sidewalk lol