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miles[m]
#monero-pools:matrix.org
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DisBotXMR
<TrooperZ> what on gods earth is waifutoken.io
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louipc
the end of the universe
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DisBotXMR
<TrooperZ> i mean, at least there's a monero waifu
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u9000[m]
<endogenic "yeah it's that curly M thing"> that's "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M WITH HOOK"
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endogenic
ooh thanks for the knowledge. i am slightly improved
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endogenic
.balance
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Wallet
endogenic: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
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Wallet
endogenic: • Your balance is: 0.00514846 XMR (≈1.22 USD)
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endogenic
.tip u9000[m] .0000001
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Wallet
endogenic: User 'u9000[m]' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account
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endogenic
D:
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u9000[m]
thank you though :-)
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u9000[m]
* thank you though :D
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u9000[m]
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Bill48105
Botomic Swap kek
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Bill48105
i ended up renaming swap to xtip to better convey what is happening & less confusion that the bot is converting your coins for you
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nioc
sounds good
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Bill48105
got users testing it and ironing out some usability stuff but basically functional and great feedback
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apotheon
How hard is it to move from one of the popular desktop or smartphone wallets to a full node later?
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ozmjqxzlnhz
What kind of person steals from their own community? www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d5yt5/what_fluffypony_just_did_is_not_ok/
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Bill48105
3 years ago? pfft
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wrinkle_hut[m]
Hi
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qyxknwsf
Did you know that all witdraw-buyer-seller-depoist chains are trackable in Monero? No? You should have read Breaking Monero. How many people are you endangering with your 'privacy' coin?
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Andrew[m]6
Hi guys. How to find an author moneroworld.com?
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moneromooo
gingeropolous: ^
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Andrew[m]6
Thank. He linked to you on his website.
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gingeropolous
Andrew[m]6, hi
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Andrew[m]6
<gingeropolous "Andrew, hi"> Hi
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gingeropolous
whats up?
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Andrew[m]6
I am from Russia, newbie here. Such chats are unpopular with us.
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Mochi101
hehehe
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Andrew[m]6
<Andrew[m]6 "I am from Russia, newbie here. S"> Now I will translate, write, a minute
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Febo
This chat was popular 25 years ago. Probably also in Russia :P
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Andrew[m]6
I have a normal Internet connection of 100 mb / c in 2005 just delivered. Anyway, IRc is not in vogue with us. ICQ was the most popular. Now WhatsApp and Telegram.
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nioc
yeah whatsapp now gives your data to facebook and they get to share it with everyone
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nioc
very nice of them
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nioc
so vogue
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Andrew[m]6
gingeropolous: The author of the site moneroworld.com was pleased, did I not try in vain?
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Monerujos
E Exception in main! Failed to enumerate txpool tx blob
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Monerujos
MDB_BAD_VALSIZE: Unsupported size of key/DB name/data, or wrong DUPFIXED size
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Monerujos
any reason for this monerod crash?
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Monerujos
it worked without issue earlier
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Monerujos
sometimes it sync to latest block and crash after 1-3 minutes
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norbert
hi folks, I'd like to allow my website's users to accept Monero, in the easiest - for them - way possible; any suggestions before I get started, perhaps some must-read documentation, or library?
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Mochi101
norbert, more info
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Mochi101
norbert, you haven't really given enough information to make any type of suggestion
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norbert
hi Mochi101, my website is a video platform similar to BitChute, that allows users to publish their own content
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Mochi101
and you want to set it up to be able to accept monero on their behalf and allow them to withdraw it or claim it when they want?
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Inge-
norbert: btcpayserver supports monero as well as other cryptocurrencies
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norbert
it already has monetization options (Patreon, PayPal.Me, SubscribeStar and Bitbacker), but users have noticed payment processors may ban their accounts
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Inge-
not sure how it would work to "forward" payments on behalf of your users tho
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Mochi101
norbert, sounds like you'll need a custom solution... using the wallet-cli and the monero daemon
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Mochi101
You can create a sub-account for each user
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Monerujos
you can check github for monero-php from monero integrations team
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norbert
ok
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Mochi101
and then when they want to claim it or move it, you ask them for the information that they need
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gingeropolous
Andrew[m]6, I'm not exactly sure where your going with the long message, but thanks for sharing
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Andrew[m]6
<gingeropolous "Andrew, I'm not exactly sure whe"> I wrote my message for an hour, but there is no email on your site. As, however, and on mine. And I was looking for you for an hour - I found out what irc is.
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Mochi101
This is starting to get good.
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Mochi101
Ging and His Russian Stalker
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gingeropolous
huh, didn't realize i don't have an email on there
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Andrew[m]6
Thanks to the Qtranslate program.
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Andrew[m]6
Why Russian Stalker? Ha ha ha!
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Mochi101
;)
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norbert
Mochi101: I think I should explain better what I'm trying to accomplish; one easy solution would be to allow users to provide their donation address and for the website to then show that address when someone's interested in donating; but I'm thinking it would be nicer if I could show a pop-up that asks the user how much they'd like to donate from where, and then take care of the whole process for them - that is, if this is even possible (I'm
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norbert
really a noob when it comes to Monero)
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norbert
I did see the Deamon RPC and Wallet RPC, and I'm simply guessing all that documentation (and code) must be useful for something
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Monerujos
it's very easy to implement the code into the website
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Monerujos
you just need wallet rpc
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Monerujos
and server to run full monero node
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Mochi101
norbert, yeah... just collect a wallet address from your users and display a QR-Code and full wallet address on their behalf. There's no real automated process to start.
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moneromooo
norbert: see
repo.getmonero.org/selene/primo, might be of interest.
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moneromooo
It's got a plugin for FF only though, no chrome.
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Andrew[m]6
You laugh in vain, before joining the Bolshevik Party, Lenin was also a sworn attorney in court, and Putin is still a lawyer. And Medvedev too. I join the question about the implementation of RPC-pay on the site, nothing is clear in the github.
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norbert
Mochi101: ok, that sounds easy enough; is there an easy way to generate the QR code from the donation address?
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gingeropolous
norbert, yeah. it can get more complicated if you want your website to be responsive to user payments. I.e., if you want to provide access to content in response to donations. but if its just posting an address for ppl that should be simple
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Monerujos
use any php qr generator code from github?
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Mochi101
yeah.. it's a standard
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norbert
ok, probably
phpqrcode.sourceforge.net will do, yes
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gingeropolous
Andrew[m]6, yeah I guess I'm just not understanding the relevance of the bolshevik party and your other historical comments for monero and the overall digital money revolution
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gingeropolous
understanding
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gingeropolous
damn what triggers that
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gingeropolous
I'm just not understanding
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Mochi101
gingeropolous, understanding... but randomly ;)
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Mochi101
I don't understand
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gingeropolous
logarithmic casing
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Andrew[m]6
<gingeropolous "Andrew, yeah I guess I'm just no"> It makes a little sense. Will the developers not become the new Bolsheviks, spreading Monero throughout the world, and then seizing power over it and the whole world?
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gingeropolous
Andrew[m]6, thats sorta the beauty of decentralized stuff. No one really controls it, if its designed well
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Andrew[m]6
There cannot be a cryptocurrency that is not controlled by anyone, the developers will still control it. Will we come to a complete ban on anonymous currencies? Any slogan can hide behind, the most terrible things in the world were happening under the best slogans - except for the Nazis. The Inquisition, for example.
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gingeropolous
well control will exist, but its balanced between various forces. namely, energy production, chip fabrication, and telecommunications
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gingeropolous
but thats sorta the recipe for modern civilization
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Andrew[m]6
<gingeropolous "well control will exist, but its"> Who will control the developers? Are they themselves? Now there are historical facts that Hitler is a descendant of Rothschild, and the Jew himself is in the third generation. He unleashed a world war in order to create a Jewish state under the pretext of the Holocaust. Do you have something against this version? Me not. Iron cannot run currency. People should do it.
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Andrew[m]6
Are my historical comments clear now?
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moneromooo
They're clearly off topic, at the very least.
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Mochi101
I didn't even get a chance to put on my tinfoil hat.
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Andrew[m]6
<moneromooo "They're clearly off topic, at th"> So be it, I wanted to clarify my motives for translating the article.
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Mochi101
Andrew[m]6, which article did you read?
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Mochi101
I'm really interested now.
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Andrew[m]6
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Andrew[m]6
It took a certain amount of time, and time, as the author says, is money. But if you want to develop your currency, then you cannot do without announcements to ordinary people.
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Andrew[m]6
<Mochi101 "Andrew, which article did you re"> Вам на какой язык перевести?
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Andrew[m]6
What am I leading to? Any social institution - and even more so a currency - must have its own constitution. Any very good person (or group of people) can want to seize unlimited power over the world or territory - the majority should be able to prevent him. What are the principles of your cryptocurrency - where is your charter, where are the rules? Why should I get into Monero? What is it backed by - gold? Is there an
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Andrew[m]6
insurance fund? There is none of this on your site. Correctly Snowden said - toy currency. Ask him to write you a charter, slogans - people know him and will believe him. I am not an FSB agent and not an agent of Kuchereny - these are the simplest thoughts that come to mind of an ordinary person.
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Andrew[m]6
Who can I sue if no one is responsible for anything? Who will answer for a software error if I lose money?
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nioc
just use fiat
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Andrew[m]6
Is this the opinion of the community or just yours?
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gingeropolous
Who will answer for a software error if I lose money? >>. no one will answer. there is no insurance. "be your own bank", is indeed, a lot. but if its the price for actual financial freedom, and accordingly, general freedom ... perhaps, its worth it?
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louipc
Andrew[m]6: those things come with time
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louipc
but the idea behind open source is that anyone can take initiative to implement any improvements they imagine
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louipc
that is personal responsibility. rather than reliance on govt or faceless organisations
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Andrew[m]6
<gingeropolous "Who will answer for a software e"> It's just utopia - if no one answers. I'd rather save gold, and not drive my computer at night. Not a single smartest team of code developers will ever make a world currency - until there is some kind of international organization that all states want to join and recognize this currency. Gingeropolous somehow tried to explain the ideas of the developers, but officially
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Andrew[m]6
they are nowhere on paper, no one has seen, and what thoughts they have in their heads - no one knows. Understand for yourself that currency is very serious. Nobody will read your code on github, it is not interesting to anyone. Indulge in until some fund buys you, along with the giblets, to offer it to this association. We have already gone through all this in the USSR, like public property. Common means nobody's.
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gingeropolous
the concept of authoritiless is a bit of a mindfuck
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gingeropolous
authoritilessness
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gingeropolous
cryptocurrency turns money into more or less a phenomenon of nature
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sech1
Who will answer if someone steals your gold?
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as2333
commodity money(metals) is a lot closer to being 'natural' than cryptocurrency
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gingeropolous
well sure but you can't make commodity metals travel at the speed of light
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as2333
cryptocurrency require a highly artificial technical infrastructure
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gingeropolous
"artificial" ?
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childofthecorn[m
<gingeropolous "cryptocurrency turns money into "> Or a phenomena of mathematics
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gingeropolous
there's nothing artificial about anything my senses interact with
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as2333
not only that, but the infrastructure is controlled by the enemy
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gingeropolous
ah yes, the they
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childofthecorn[m
Byzantine fault tolerance is the idea of pitting enemies against each other so they behave in a desirable way for everyone
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as2333
gingeropolous, well you mentioned 'phenomenom of nature', I take that to mean natural, as opposed to man-made or artificial.
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as2333
childofthecorn[m, I mostly mean the hardware
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buenchicoakaLord
> if no one answers. I'd rather save gold, and not drive my computer at night. Not a single smartest team of code developers will ever make a world currency
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buenchicoakaLord
i reject this premise in the sense that you don't need a "one global currency"
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childofthecorn[m
Enemies control the hardware? As in mining/ ability to produce? Who cares, as long as the math guarantees those enemies play by the rules we need them to play by?
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buenchicoakaLord
there's nothing intractable about having many as long as you have open exchange systems
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buenchicoakaLord
in fact i'd argue more is better
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Febo
Monero si just medium of exchange. Developers don't have any pover ower world because they developed it . Is very simple. Peopel taht wil find it usefull wil use it . Peopel that wil nto find it usefull weil nt use it.
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buenchicoakaLord
the whole issue is to do with exchange systems being closed for a certain set of participants
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buenchicoakaLord
info arb for a few and none for the rest
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buenchicoakaLord
that's what finance has always been
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buenchicoakaLord
a set of rules that give a minority an unfair advantage
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as2333
childofthecorn[m, your hardware only runs what its owners allow it to run.
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as2333
and you are not the owner
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buenchicoakaLord
as2333: gold only works as money in like one special kind of "half Armageddon"
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buenchicoakaLord
and one where you're likely already very wealthy and have weapons (the real hedge) to guard your gold
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as2333
commodity money, including gold worked since forever
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as2333
buenchicoakaLord, nonsense
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buenchicoakaLord
explain how you'll buy a coffee with some gold
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buenchicoakaLord
if the power goes out
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as2333
?
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buenchicoakaLord
go
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buenchicoakaLord
if it's money you should be able to exchange with it and solve the double coincidence of wants problem
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moneromooo
You take the ingot to the seller's face repeatedlt until coffee is proffered.
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buenchicoakaLord
so tell me how you'll exchange it for something you need that day
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buenchicoakaLord
when the power is out
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as2333
....
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as2333
when the power is out...?
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buenchicoakaLord
are you going to chip off some pieces of your bar and hand it to the grocery clerk?
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buenchicoakaLord
or what?
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buenchicoakaLord
yah
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buenchicoakaLord
when the power is out
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as2333
that's the exact reason why digital stuff is third rate...
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buenchicoakaLord
you know, when someone would actually want gold as a store of value
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as2333
and you don't pay for coffee with gold, you use silver of copper anyway
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buenchicoakaLord
oh right how could i forget
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as2333
so you're not making sense at various levels.
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buenchicoakaLord
show me
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as2333
show you what
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buenchicoakaLord
if there's logical errors they should be easy to point out
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buenchicoakaLord
so do it
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as2333
you're the one who has to show how your digital network works when the power goes out
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buenchicoakaLord
i didn't say that
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buenchicoakaLord
never claimed that digital was better
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buenchicoakaLord
i said gold only works in a special failure case
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as2333
commodity money doesn't require 'power' to operate
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buenchicoakaLord
where there's some order but not complete loss of order
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buenchicoakaLord
yes
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as2333
yes you made a fully wrong assertion that is contradicted by all of history.
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buenchicoakaLord
that's why i presented that case
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buenchicoakaLord
because it gives gold more value
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buenchicoakaLord
which assertion?
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as2333
go troll somebody else
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buenchicoakaLord
gold has been stolen throughout history by those who conquer others
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as2333
like any other kind of property
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buenchicoakaLord
if i made a wrong assertion just say what it is
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as2333
shocking news for news I guess
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as2333
news for you*
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buenchicoakaLord
are we at ad hominem already?
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buenchicoakaLord
i can't tell
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buenchicoakaLord
anyway, the smartest people in finance still claim they don't understand gold as a hedge it's only so called gold bugs who relentlessly rely on a faith in it's lindy effect
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as2333
lawl
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as2333
speaking of 'ad homnimens'
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as2333
>gold bug
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buenchicoakaLord
yah guilty 😂
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buenchicoakaLord
not my terminology
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buenchicoakaLord
these aren't my ideas fwiw
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buenchicoakaLord
just repeating the things of others
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as2333
that I obviously know
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as2333
indeed you're just repeating propaganda
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buenchicoakaLord
lol
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buenchicoakaLord
i guess that's one way to view it
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buenchicoakaLord
back to the first point, i think the main goal of something like xmr is to enable running your own bank if the environment allows it
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buenchicoakaLord
feel free to hoard whatever commodities you want on your own
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as2333
what does 'run your own bank' mean? commit fraud against your betters?
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buenchicoakaLord
ideally though xmr is used as the exchange medium, not a speculative tradable
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as2333
print all the money you want? get 'bailouts' from the govt?
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Andrew[m]6
In general, all of you think about what you are wasting your time, which is the only one in the world that has value - I was not the first to say this! Create rules and emboss them on copper like a mnemonic phrase. Next, follow the guidelines when developing your code. If these rules survive, and the world recognizes them, then you are not living your life in vain. There is absolutely no point in working without written
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Andrew[m]6
rules. This is my advice to the community. Glad to chat and follow my request for RPC-pay if it actually works. If you do not have written rules, I will not be able to support you for moral reasons. Goodnight!
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buenchicoakaLord
<as2333 "what does 'run your own bank' me"> not require a bank to store or move your value around
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buenchicoakaLord
only require tech you approve of / setup your self
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as2333
buenchicoakaLord, you never required a bank to do that. Only cash.
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buenchicoakaLord
daemons being foss is a big leap over the piles of absolute shit proprietary sw running inside banks
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buenchicoakaLord
<as2333 "buen chico (aka Lord Fomo), you "> fair
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buenchicoakaLord
but with fiat someone has to issue the cash
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as2333
that's why fiat is garbage
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buenchicoakaLord
and you're still back at the same problem as gold
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buenchicoakaLord
now you have to protect it
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as2333
....
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as2333
what exactly makes you think that you don't have to protect your digital stuff?
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buenchicoakaLord
not saying you don't
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as2333
so?
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buenchicoakaLord
just saying it's easier in the right env
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buenchicoakaLord
because robbing cash from your backyard is harder then getting a pw out of your brain
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buenchicoakaLord
not that both can't be done
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as2333
your objection then is meaningless because it applies to everything. You have to protect your gold, your xmr, your govt fiat. or anything else.
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buenchicoakaLord
also being able to move the value quickly to another storage location as info is a benefit
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buenchicoakaLord
right
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buenchicoakaLord
but they're different
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buenchicoakaLord
you can't backpack all your gold and hop on a plane easy peasy
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as2333
yes there are some technical difference obv
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buenchicoakaLord
well yeah
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buenchicoakaLord
what else would there be?
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as2333
your gold can't be hacked
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buenchicoakaLord
why else would we have digitial value in the first place
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buenchicoakaLord
it's about those technical diffs
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buenchicoakaLord
stolen = hacked
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buenchicoakaLord
imo it all depends on the use case
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buenchicoakaLord
there should be no false dichotomy
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buenchicoakaLord
gold is good for some things and digital value is good for others
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as2333
well yeah. Different systems have different strengths
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buenchicoakaLord
exactly
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buenchicoakaLord
this goes back to
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buenchicoakaLord
i don't think we really need "on global thing to solve all our problems"
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buenchicoakaLord
it just doesn't exist
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nioc
only interact with those that are not them
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as2333
buenchicoakaLord, agreed
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buenchicoakaLord
imo if you've got the security to protect a bunch of gold then go for it
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buenchicoakaLord
it definitely has the history to prove it's storing capabilities
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buenchicoakaLord
but at that point
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louipc
use silver instead ;)
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buenchicoakaLord
might as well become a central bank 😂
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buenchicoakaLord
get urself a gold standard going
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buenchicoakaLord
kek
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buenchicoakaLord
* kek/ lel
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buenchicoakaLord
as2333: i do agree with your concerns about power centralization with developers though
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charolastra
get yourself Gaddafi'd
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buenchicoakaLord
that's a yet to be solved problem
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buenchicoakaLord
systems that distribute such power inherently
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buenchicoakaLord
we haven't quite figured out how to decentralize societal power structures (i think?)
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as2333
buenchicoakaLord, my main concern is centralization of the production of (backdoored) hardware.
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buenchicoakaLord
yah for sure
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buenchicoakaLord
in theory the foss part should help with that
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buenchicoakaLord
but yeah, not every white hat has time to dig through reams of C++ 😂
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as2333
I'd love to see a foss foundry. A foundry that anybody can audit.
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buenchicoakaLord
hmm interesting
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buenchicoakaLord
is there a special meaning for "foundry"?
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as2333
chip factory
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buenchicoakaLord
ahh
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buenchicoakaLord
you mean open hw then
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buenchicoakaLord
yes
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buenchicoakaLord
we 💯 need that stat
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as2333
yep
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buenchicoakaLord
unfortunately the whole path dependence of getting us to a point of realizing that's something we need is part of the problem 😂
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buenchicoakaLord
not sure we'd have chips a priori if we hadn't had industrialist wartime america
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buenchicoakaLord
lol
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as2333
right, because, like you said, we have figured out how to decentralize political power
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buenchicoakaLord
yah
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as2333
haven't*
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buenchicoakaLord
we need like actual math on this
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louipc
lol u cant even get open source code audited
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buenchicoakaLord
obviously not many industrialist are going to fund such "research"
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louipc
nice idea but thats a long road if anyone ever gets there
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buenchicoakaLord
<louipc "lol u cant even get open source "> in theory it's crowd sourced by it's users
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buenchicoakaLord
> <@freenode_louipc:matrix.org> lol u cant even get open source code audited
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buenchicoakaLord
* in theory it's crowd sourced by its users
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buenchicoakaLord
<louipc "nice idea but thats a long road "> culture is always changing
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buenchicoakaLord
it's just about making it feel good to be part of the change
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buenchicoakaLord
imo
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louipc
i'm not auditing anything
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nioc
math is invented by man and not natural
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buenchicoakaLord
agreed, but so is the society
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buenchicoakaLord
i'm not sure things being "natural" applied to this problem
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buenchicoakaLord
but maybe it does i dunno
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buenchicoakaLord
<louipc "i'm not auditing anything"> i audit the code i write 😂
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nioc
I was just trolling what was said b4 :)
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buenchicoakaLord
all good bruv
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buenchicoakaLord
i like being trolled
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louipc
good luck
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nioc
wasn't you lol
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as2333
math is more on the side of natural and discovered than invented
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as2333
natural is a tricky word tho
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buenchicoakaLord
this
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nioc
I identify as universe
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buenchicoakaLord
lmao
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louipc
yea are humans natural
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louipc
are beehives natural
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buenchicoakaLord
that's actually a super good question lmao
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louipc
what about skyscrapers
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nioc
:)
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buenchicoakaLord
> You take the ingot to the seller's face repeatedlt until coffee is proffered.
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buenchicoakaLord
lol i missed this
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buenchicoakaLord
this is what i would do
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buenchicoakaLord
"this is money bish, give me my caffee"
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louipc
could be the seller is a silver maximalist
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buenchicoakaLord
no joke though, anon prepaid credit cards loaded from xmr wen
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louipc
when you build it
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buenchicoakaLord
gack
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buenchicoakaLord
we gonna need a visa insider
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louipc
then go find one
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as2333
too bad visa is the ultimate creation of central banks =)
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louipc
whos we? you and me?
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louipc
i dont need no visa
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buenchicoakaLord
was a joke
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louipc
but u said no joke
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buenchicoakaLord
not all credit cards are visa
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louipc
was that a joke
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marmulak
not all cryptos are Monero
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buenchicoakaLord
could be
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buenchicoakaLord
depends on how wrong i am
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buenchicoakaLord
on another note what's the common parlance for a single unit of a crypto currency?
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buenchicoakaLord
like if you wanted to be coin agnostic
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moneromooo
Atomic unit.
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buenchicoakaLord
kk
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buenchicoakaLord
is there a suffix / acronym for that?
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buenchicoakaLord
shorthand even?
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buenchicoakaLord
when written i mean
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buenchicoakaLord
for example in traditional markets they had discrete lots
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buenchicoakaLord
just wondering if there was some similar shorhand
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louipc
whats the parlance for a single unit of fiat?
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louipc
or commodity
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buenchicoakaLord
a buck bby
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louipc
you mean a quid?
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buenchicoakaLord
but good point
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buenchicoakaLord
i'm looking at it more from a tradable perspective
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buenchicoakaLord
like how equities don't specify `symbol / exchange currency`
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louipc
bitfinex doesnt like to deal with single dogecoin. so they have 'mdoge'
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louipc
million doge
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buenchicoakaLord
that's kinda like forex
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buenchicoakaLord
`1k`
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buenchicoakaLord
* `25k`
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buenchicoakaLord
btw
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buenchicoakaLord
would love to see something like this with xmr support
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buenchicoakaLord
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buenchicoakaLord
give small time vendors an alt to cash
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buenchicoakaLord
get the tinas on board
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ooka_ren[m]
Hello! How can I generate address, seed and keys with monero-cli without monero prompt after it, creating files and other and other. I just want to get info and pipe to other program. Pls help.
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moneromooo
For automated stuff, you want monero-wallet-rpc, and the create_wallet call.
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apotheon
Tinas?
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ooka_ren[m]
Thank you @moneromoo I'll check
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gingeropolous
Andrew[m]6, i kinda view the readme as the rules.
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apotheon
Is it fair to assume that OTC brokers for cryptocurrency are not really useful for smaller exchanges? (e.g. on the level of beginners using Coinbase -- a few thousand USD-valuation here and there, at most)
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apotheon
(exchanges of value, I mean, not cryptocurrency markets such as Coinbase and Kraken)
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thrmo_
yes OTC deals are usually for bigger amounts
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leonardus
What is stopping a client from not sending a solution for a block to a pool and instead claiming it for himself?
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Mochi101
leonardus, the solution is key to the reward.
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Mochi101
If he doesn't share the solution he doesn't receive the mining reward.
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Andrew[m]6
<gingeropolous "Andrew, i kinda view the readme "> I had already gone to bed, but I remembered about Navalny and decided to go in again. Read me is a technical rule. Cryptocurrency regulations must be moral, ethical, and legal. You said yourself that laws must be obeyed. Here it is necessary almost to involve doctors of law and academicians to develop such rules. But above all, the rule makers must be morally clean and
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Andrew[m]6
well-known - that is, who will lead such a group. Code is secondary. We have it Navalny, you have Snowden. Both are in Russia, but one is in prison. Well, let him take care of the rules of your currency, he is a lawyer. Snowden will visit him in prison, consult him, even though he will not allow him to be poisoned there for the third time. Contact them, your rate will grow a million times just from the news that these two
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Andrew[m]6
people are developing a charter for a new cryptocurrency. Email me, bye.
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gingeropolous
right, but he's asking, why doesn't the miner use the solution for a block he has sitting around on his own daemon, then collect the full reward
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Mochi101
ahhh
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gingeropolous
leonardus, this is the key to the stratum protocol. i forget the specifics, but the pool protocol achieves this somehow
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gingeropolous
i think its mainly because when you are mining, you are mining on a specific block / block-type-thing that is created by the pool op
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gingeropolous
so the solution you come up with wouldn't actually work on a block you craft on your own daemon
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Mochi101
The pool sends al altered block Template
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gingeropolous
yeah
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Mochi101
an altered block template
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gingeropolous
so your solutions are only valid on the pool's block
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leonardus
if the solution is to an altered block, how does the pool use that solution?
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Mochi101
Since the block template also includes the coinbase transaction, transferring the reward to the pool operator, you cannot steal the reward.
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Mochi101
copy pasta
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Mochi101
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gingeropolous
leonardus, its only altered in the sense that the pool operator crafted the block to include a payment to their address
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leonardus
ahh, I understand now
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leonardus
thank you
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dxrwzy9y[m]
Why in the world does Kraken want to delete my account all of a sudden??? I've done nothing wrong and they won't tell me why.
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Mochi101
dxrwzy9y[m], are you a criminal?
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leonardus
exchanges suck
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dxrwzy9y[m]
Of course not
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Mochi101
Why else would they want to delete your account dxrwzy9y[m] ?
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dxrwzy9y[m]
I don't know, that's the issue.
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dxrwzy9y[m]
Support says they're gonna delete my account and apparently there's nothing I can do.
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dxrwzy9y[m]
Is it cause I use a VPN or what?
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dxrwzy9y[m]
This is so frustrating, what can I do to convince them to keep it? Again they won't tell me why due to "security reasons".
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charolastra
don't think much can be done. some "AI" flagged you for some reason
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dxrwzy9y[m]
Is there any way to talk to them? General support doesn't seem to be helpful.
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charolastra
dunno, complain on twitter and hashtag them or something
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dxrwzy9y[m]
I'm not on Twitter
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charolastra
neither am i :p
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as2333
dxrwzy9y[m], that's exactly how the arpanet works. Get used to it.
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dxrwzy9y[m]
They can't just delete my account and not even tell me why ffs
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Mochi101
I don't know... you might be a criminal dxrwzy9y[m]
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Mochi101
Anyways, I'm just kiddign around dxrwzy9y[m].
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Mochi101
Pretty sad, but if Twitter can ban POTUS... Surely lowly Kraken can ban you for no reason.
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Mochi101
dxrwzy9y[m], if you want another exchange you can try Binance... or Tradeogre (very small)
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apotheon
dxrwzy9y[m]: Is Kraken changing its policy with regard to allowing trades for nationals from a particular place?
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rupee[m]
have you done any P2P trading with coins that are in a wallet that has either received from kraken or sent to kraken?
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rupee[m]
like bisq
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rupee[m]
or use a bitcoin mixer?
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rupee[m]
i can imagine if kraken sent you BTC and you sold it for XMR to someone that then went on to pay for something criminal, they might want to wash their hands of you
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f3r0x
has anyone tried buying and selling on localmonero for profit?
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apotheon
If by "tried" you mean "looked at localmonero and discovered there's no one within a thousand miles of you", then yes, maybe.
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as2333
to state the obvious, those rogue companies can do whatever they want and the users have no recourse againt tem
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as2333
them
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dxrwzy9y[m]
<rupee[m] "have you done any P2P trading wi"> No
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dxrwzy9y[m]
I've created my account just a few weeks ago and done nothing besides buying some crypto.
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rupee[m]
weird. then I'm out of guesses.
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dxrwzy9y[m]
New person = suspicious or what???
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rupee[m]
there is a cost associated with onboarding a new user. They don't want to spend that cost only to offboard you a few weeks later. There must be another reason that they feel you are risky
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rupee[m]
but just being a new user isn't enough. Their goal is to add as many new users as possible and keep them active forever
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dxrwzy9y[m]
Okay what can I do about it?
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donkeydonkey[m]
<dxrwzy9y[m] "New person = suspicious or what?"> maybe to do with how you are funding your account
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dxrwzy9y[m]
Again I've done nothing wrong and plan on doing anything wrong.
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dxrwzy9y[m]
<donkeydonkey[m] "maybe to do with how you are fun"> With a bank account?
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rupee[m]
if you're sending just under $10k in every transfer, for example, it may look like structuring/smurfing
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dxrwzy9y[m]
I only have a couple hundred on there in total
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rupee[m]
well then it's not that :)
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fkkntyqcdxv
needmoney90: Let me quote your hero. 'How do I ban FUK? AAAHHHH I don't remember. youtube.com/watch?v=mdLfkhxIH5Q Keep tryin' champion.
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rupee[m]
o hai fkkntyqcdxv
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rupee[m]
gee thanks for your input
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dxrwzy9y[m]
What can I do about it?
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rupee[m]
unfortunately, not much
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as2333
dxrwzy9y[m], avoid them. They are obviously incompetent, or malicious, or both.
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dxrwzy9y[m]
Even if I'm going to another exchange, how can I be sure they won't do exactly the same thing and I'll be just as clueless.
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as2333
dxrwzy9y[m], you can't
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dxrwzy9y[m]
Aren't all exchanges?
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as2333
it's clear that these scumbags at the very least use buggy 'automatic' systems
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as2333
no doubt based on 'AI' as previously mentioned
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ndorf
AFAIK, the various KYC/AML regulations explicitly prohibit them from telling you why.
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ndorf
blame governments, not the exchange
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as2333
the exchanges are 100% complicit
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ndorf
i highly doubt the exchange has any incentive to close accounts, aside from the bogus laws
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rupee[m]
complicit in doing their best to be able to provide easier access to cryptocurrencies than you would have if you couldn't pay via a bank?
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rupee[m]
kraken is one of monero's greatest allies
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as2333
no it isn't
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rupee[m]
without them, it would be much more difficult and expensive for U.S. citizens to get monero
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rupee[m]
they are one of the few exchanges that has actually looked at regulations and not just abandoned "privacy coins"
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dxrwzy9y[m]
I hope I can get this sorted out with support cause I'm sure the same thing might happen on any other exchange as well.
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dxrwzy9y[m]
This is worse than having an issue with your bank lol
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Moneroship[m]
bro...
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Moneroship[m]
swapzone.io
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Moneroship[m]
there are a lot of exchanges that will swap XMR
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Moneroship[m]
im from US and i dont use Kraken to get my monero
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dxrwzy9y[m]
I need fiat to crypto though
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Moneroship[m]
ok, so thats just any onramp in the US to crypto
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dxrwzy9y[m]
And there are no crypto ATMs nearby that I know of
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Moneroship[m]
kraken, crypto.com, coinbase, binance
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dxrwzy9y[m]
Yeah Kraken wants to close my account now and won't tell me why.
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dxrwzy9y[m]
Hopefully I can get this sorted out with them cause I'm the same thing might just happen on other exchanges as well.
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dxrwzy9y[m]
F*k politicians and their pos laws
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dxrwzy9y[m]
This is worse than working with a bank
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as2333
dxrwzy9y[m], better buy your coins in person
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dxrwzy9y[m]
Again no ATMs nearby
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as2333
I mean person to person
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dxrwzy9y[m]
And if I'm gonna buy them on the street, I'm sure I'd sure I'd definitely get flagged s well
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Febo
Monero have no history. So cant be related to Monero. It is related to transaprent ledger coins or your bank's transactions or whatever fiat funding you had. Using only Monero solve thsi problem.
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dxrwzy9y[m]
Again, the only thing I've ever done with this account so far is buy some crypto with fiat using my normal bank.
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dxrwzy9y[m]
That's it.
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dxrwzy9y[m]
It's almost like they don't want people to have crypto.
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as2333
well, at face value their automatic 'security' systems are shit and you've been wrongly 'flagged'
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apotheon
seems like it
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apotheon
Maybe Kraken is getting ready to delist something you've purchased, and for whatever reason they want to delist it they're also inclined to kick out people who buy it.
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apotheon
Maybe there was just some kind of error.
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apotheon
Maybe someone reviewing records on Kraken said "I think I know this guy. Fuck him."
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dxrwzy9y[m]
<apotheon "Maybe someone reviewing records "> What the heck lol
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apotheon
Don't imagine that shitty people at corporations don't occasionally do stuff like that.
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apotheon
Humans are often shitty.
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apotheon
Claims of strict human behavior protocols are overblown.
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charolastra
they will have to answer to higher ups
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apotheon
No police officer has ever gotten away with improperly using law enforcement databases to find their ex-spouses so they can harass them, either.
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apotheon
Oh, wait . . .
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apotheon
Every time someone gets fired for some impropriety in a significant corporation, there are probably fifty cases where nobody got fired -- and several people in the present case that probably shouldn't have been fired, but didn't get fired.
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apotheon
s/probably shouldn't/probably should/
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apotheon
oopsie
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apotheon
Corps are generally more interested in protecting their image and avoiding court than they are in actually enforcing their own rules with good intent. The rules are, generally speaking, mostly designed to keep the corporation out of trouble rather than protect individual customers.
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apotheon
HR departments are there to keep the corporation out of trouble, too, rather than to protect employees from mistreatment.
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as2333
hard to beat this level of corruption
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as2333
Amazon names former NSA director to its board
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as2333
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buenchicoakaLord
lmao
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buenchicoakaLord
yeah that's a bit old i think
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Serus
hi
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Serus
I think my monero wallet is behind
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Serus
I am connected to my own "remote" node (read: a home server), and it's at block 1215372
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Serus
And the configured folder in /etc/monerod.conf is only 9.9GB in size
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Serus
Is it just not syncing?
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ndorf
Serus: how long has the node been running? it can take anywhere from a few hours to several days to sync from scratch
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ndorf
what's the output of `monerod status` (on the server)?
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Serus
like a week or so
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Serus
2021-03-14 22:11:59.736 I Monero 'Nitrogen Nebula' (v0.16.0.3-release)
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apotheon
Is it running HDD or SSD?
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Serus
I see my issue lol
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charolastra
this should go into the topic
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Serus
My desktop is running on 0.17
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Serus
Time to run updates on my server
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Serus
It's been forever anyway
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apotheon
hm
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ndorf
0.17.1.9 is the one you want :)
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nioc
I want 0.18.0.0
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ndorf
in due time :)
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ndorf
i want 1.0.0.0
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Serus
I want to pay my groceries with monero
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ndorf
one day.
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nioc
ndorf: was thinking 1.0.0.0 :)
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sech1
wait, I just realized. If Monero version is 0.XX, is it still beta?
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sech1
wen release?
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nioc
bitscorn is still beta
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ndorf
perhaps year.month.patch version scheme would make the most sense.
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ndorf
(ubuntu style)
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anon_CWEJRrIS
Would anyone who has a mymonero wallet be so kind as to document the datatype that received back from /get_address_txs?
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anon_CWEJRrIS
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anon_CWEJRrIS
For transactions all it says is "array of transaction's"
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endogenic
just hit the endpoint :p
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endogenic
all you need is the viewkey
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endogenic
you can peep the mymonero client code for parsing info
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endogenic
i should enhance the docs tho
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endogenic
thx
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ndorf
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ndorf
anon_CWEJRrIS: 2) the `transaction` object is defined/documented elsewhere in the same document
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endogenic
oh oops
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endogenic
i didnt notice his url
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anon_CWEJRrIS
awesome thank you
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anon_CWEJRrIS
And does "uint64-string" mean uint64 or string?
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apotheon
jeebus
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apotheon
I can't submit a pull request to correct language errors in the hosted Monero API spec.
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apotheon
wtfmate
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selsta
why not?
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apotheon
"This repository has been archived by the owner. It is now read-only."
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selsta
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apotheon
I see.
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apotheon
I'll have to do it all over again.
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apotheon
(after dinner; food's about ready)
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strike
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strike
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