apotheon: sending you encouragement

lol that github spam

selsta: Are you a committer on that repository?

...

ELLIPSIS

gunnm[m]: Is that a reference to that thing also known as Alita?

apotheon: don't remember

don't think i contributed to meta repo

If anyone would like to review this code you're welcome to. github.com/t-900-a/gemmit/blob/main/cmd/fetchmonero/main.go

newbie here, when using xmrig is there a difference between mining with randomX or using rx/0 algorithm? I joined a pool that required rx/0.

device wallet doesn't match wallet address

wtf is this bullshit

oh nevermind, i just got the passphrase wrong lol

PeaceTea: randomX is shown as rx/0 in xmrig I believe

same

haha

no it was "randomX" when I tried to join the pool I got an error

the error was "unknown algorithm, make sure you set "algo" or "coin" option.

then I ran xmrig with option "-a rx/0" and I was able to join the pool.

so "rx/0" is just another name for "randomX"

that's what xmrig uses for it yes

why? dunno

rx/0 is RandomX on xmrig

when I used it

I just use xmr-stak-rx

it's OG

stak copies from xmrig

how can it be OG

it's the other way around

ok

they're both open source anyways so whatever

Gotta get that NFT XMR miner

it may have started out that way but not a leader for long time

imma selling monero as an NFT

only 2 xmr

what the fuck is a 'non fungible token' ...

<Dimitri> LMAO

cryptokitties

as2333: people are using it for money laundering basically lol

ah feline cryptomammals I see

as2333: I guess that the tokens are unique in a similar way that a painting can be unique. the painting can be said to "have no value". which is why it can be expensive. good fit for money laundering?

not sure what money laundering is supposed to mean tho. As far as I'm concerned, money laundering is a basic human right - it's using your money however you wish.

but anyway, yeah, my hype cryptobullshit terminology wasn't up to date =)

i've been wondering wtf this nft shit is

ppl using it for 'digital art' and stuff

basically an authenticated/numbered copy of some digital image/video/audio

NFT for sale, starting at 1 ETH: imgur.com/a/wxY4O4f

<buenchicoakaLord "i've been wondering wtf this nft"> it makes no sense. In 5 years, 99.99999% of them will be worth zero

copy/paste is NFT's enemy

dont underestimate the mental gymnastics ppl will use to brainwash themselves

Perhaps you'd like to lease some art so you can have "official" ownership for a few hours? No? of course not, why would you want that?

that actually exists as far as i know

and you can rent a luxury supercar just as well

but why?

various reasons

can you display NFT artwork anywhere in a way that having ownership would matter?

depends on who you ask

<rupee[m] "copy/paste is NFT's enemy"> yeah i really don't get it

for 'digital art' collectors.. yea it would matter

like, why do you need any of it

or digital art galleries

but like wtf does that even mean

it's like a contract of you owning the bytes?

or like?

i'm so confused

ok look at it like getting an digital autograph by the artist

is there like DRM attached to these assets?

buenchicoakaLord: yea the authentication cant be duplicated

sure

but what if you copy the image to ur friend

then you are kindof dumb i guess

but also the friend wont get the 'autograph'

ahh

i think maybe i just have a philosophical disconnect with this

what's the difference with just paying for the bytes?

just that ur signature is signed into the chain ?

like i said.. its like an autographed/signed/numbered copy

so weird

the so called 'cryptokitties' illustrate the thing well. An 'authenticated' and useless stream of bytes.

it has a direct connection with the artist or something

.pepe

yah i don't get it

its for collectors, not consumers

direct connecting to me must be "physical"

like vinyl

or canvas

yea but you cant just 'copy' a signed first pressing

right

you can copy just the data, but the original item cannot be duplicated

right

but with a byte stream i'm not sure how this applies

<louipc "dont underestimate the mental gy"> how about fungible NFTs? :-P twitter.com/ABTestingAlpha/status/1367187586456903685

is there some property that's different from any other version of it other then metadata?

buenchicoakaLord: its cryptography

yes

lol i gather

rupee[m]:wat

but like, a "first pressing" usually have some desired property

physically

that denotes it

lol serious mental gymnastics

well i mean

in theory

louipc: haha. they're like, we're not trading securities. these are NFTs, each one is a different share, but they're all fungible ¯_(ツ)_/¯

technically with vinyl there is audio variance from the process

though not sure i could tell

rupee[m]: above I just offered to sell a monero as an nft for 2 xmr

ooooh, that's cheap!

an original nioc

is there an nft market?

Yes sir

christies auction house is even getting in the game

<buenchicoakaLord "is there an nft market?"> opensea.io

Somewhere I might still have 2 rupee xmr

you probably have some rupeees from the counterparty days

2nd monero meetup

and malakas

yes yes, I member

wish I could've made it

k so like what do i get beyond this data

a higher quality version?

or what

just the artists sig?

that's a forgery!

i'm so lost

this feels like inverse handlon's razor again

* this feels like inverse hanlon's razor again

magic internet.........stuff

lol u better go do your own research

wtf

($389.69

plus blockchain fees

wait is it cuz you'll get sued if you don't own the nft and you put it up online somewhere?

theres no hard fast rule about what you get or not as far as i know

or something

but yea one of the unique things is the digital signature

How much can I sell my cat's genuine alpha waves?

NFTs are the dumbest shit ever

They are the best things ever

Anybody who buys one is a fool

And very useful

and once you own it, people can go to your ether address and see it in your list of assets

just picking a random one ^

and when you buy coffee from that cute barista, she can comment on your art gallery

buenchicoakaLord: foundation.app/NyanCat/nyan-cat-219

seems like a good way to make $$ off really clueless people

it also feels like small steps toward that one black mirror ep

> Charisma +10

Luck +10

Happiness +15

smh

that black mirror shit already existed 15 yrs ago

or more i guess

then why ain't they checking my cheery points at the butcher

cuz i tell yah

i'd for sure only get access to the organ meat

(ok by me)

nioc: you sent me a shirt though. we're even :)

I did?

yessir

fack gd kiwi clocks

black with monero logo

bibble suggested black

it's a nice shirt. I still wear it regularly.

w0w

so it is now an NFT

good idea!

i still don't really understand

so you spend eth and then get the "asset"

so what is the NFT?

the asset?

isn't this kinda just like an ebay for eth

except they track who "bought what"

yes blockchain means it's one of a kind and therefore valuable lol

lmao

i figured

it's un

there's more fun things

It's uncounterfitable

but like who cares

It's like writing "nyan cat" on a dollar bill and then auctioning it off

it's not actually one of a kind

it's just bytes on a screen

You'll find some fool to buy it eventually

just like music

it's too abstract to have that kinda "property"

There are potential use cases for it, but nobody is actually using it practically. Just spending thousands on a virtual waifu

what's something more practically useful

like a house deed?

or something?

sure those too

Trading card games or things like that. If it's on a blockchain, you can see how many the developer puts out there. If it's a centralized database, they could just keep selling more

at the same time, look at something like bitcoin. Every bitcoin is an 'unfungible token' and that's why bitcoin has problems. And there is a coin whose I cant recall that goes out of its way to restore fungibility to the system =)

whose +name

wait why is btc unfungible?

You don't know?

seems like it's the most fungible crypto

Cause the history is public

no i honestly don't

A freshly mined bitcoin and one stolen from an exchange have different values

one type of NFT I find interesting is in game tokens. For example, in a game you win some cool weapon and you can take that with you to a different game, or you can buy/sell things that can be used in multiple games

maybe i don't know what fungible means in crypto parlance

In monero, there's no such thing

buenchicoakaLord, the term/concept comes from the legal system

Exchanges can deny you spending bitcoin they deem naughty

I've seen it happen with coins that just went through a mixer too

as2333: isn't it the ability of an asset to be liquidated and converted into other assets?

So you can't use a mixer to avoid it; if anything, that'll make you a target

hence cash has high fungibility

RE does not

that's "liquidity"

pretty sure it's not

liquidity has to do with the order book

unless you mean banking

if each dollar bill was like a library book with a list of whose had it last, that would be like bitcoin

buenchicoakaLord, cash is fungible because all bills all the same (despite serial numbers)

oh interesting

Dollar bills do have a serial number, but that's not nearly tracked to the same extent as bitcoin is

buenchicoakaLord, so it doesn't matter which bill out of the trillions out there is used to pay for something.

Bitcoin is like if you wrote down and kept a log of every dollar bill's serial. And kept that public. Forever

ahh you're right

> In economics, fungibility is the property of a good or a commodity whose individual units are essentially interchangeable, and each of its parts is indistinguishable from another part.[1][2]

For example, gold is fungible since a specified amount of pure gold is equivalent to that same amount of pure gold, whether in the form of coins, ingots, or in other states. Other fungible commodities include sweet crude oil, company shares, bonds, other precious metals, and currencies.

Fungibility refers only to the equivalence and indistinguishability of each unit of a commodity with other units of the same commodity, and not to the exchange of one commodity for another.

dollar bills are fungible because the courts ruled that they are

* > In economics, fungibility is the property of a good or a commodity whose individual units are essentially interchangeable, and each of its parts is indistinguishable from another part.[1][2]

> For example, gold is fungible since a specified amount of pure gold is equivalent to that same amount of pure gold, whether in the form of coins, ingots, or in other states. Other fungible commodities include sweet crude oil, company shares, bonds, other precious metals, and currencies.

> Fungibility refers only to the equivalence and indistinguishability of each unit of a commodity with other units of the same commodity, and not to the exchange of one commodity for another.

Two pieces of art aren't the same value. Two pokemon cards of the same type will have different values depending on condition and such

lol matrix spam

haha

buenchicoakaLord stop editing your messages on bridge channels or u get banned from the irc side

for spamming

anyway, the problem is that if an exchange says they accept bitcoin, you don't know if they will accept your specific coins until after you've sent them because they don't make public what levels and types of taint they deem acceptable. So you don't know until after you've sent BTC whether they will credit your account or freeze your account

i.e. steal your money

buen chico (aka Lord Fomo): this might have some interesting links: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/m4sfsh…ticism_sunday_march_14_2021/gqwdjfl

also, if you withdraw coins from an exchange and then buy something with them and the person you bought from then goes and spends those coins on something illegal, your exchange account could get frozen because from their point of view, it looks like coins you got from them went to crime

isn't it for everyone?

At some point bitcoin is gonna stop going up. It has no real utility anymore. At least monero is being used on a daily basis for actual transactions. Nobody is paying a $15 transaction fee for a purchase with bitcoin

it's more expensive and slower than a wire during business hours

Cash by mail is good if ya want to avoid KYC. Local monero is an option

Didn't you get the memo? Btc is now a store of value

like an NFT

digital gold

lol

wait

Isn't gold fungible?

For the most part

Not very practical to spend, though

Silver is better for practical spending

An ounce silver coin isn't too expensive

And yet they say btc is digital gold

BTC is a digital slot machine at this point

it's an igloo gd it

gold is practical to spend when buying expensive stuff

People will pay more for freshly mined bitcoin

The lack of history is very attractive

Dirty bitcoins can be practically worthless

Because you can't cash em out for fiat unless you find some sucker

If I had 10 million from some darknet exit scam, I couldn't really do much with it without getting a shit ton of attention on myself

most bitcoin transactions have outputs with a long history, which means at some point in the past they have touched several services. So any given transaction has a mix of "exposure"

Mixers don't work

They treat mixers as being dirty

And that's if they can't just see through them

What's spooky is this is all permanent and they can enforce things retroactively. The IRS may just decide to go after everybody they can for bitcoin tax evasion. Wouldn

Wouldn't be hard at all, especially if you've ever used a KYC exchange

on the other hand determining 'taint' is more of an scam than a 'science'

Depends. Sometimes it's really obvious. Other times it's all bullshit

and there's no central authority (yet) doing it

yeah in some cases it can be pretty obvious.

I remember people tracking the coins moving around after every darknet exit scam

I don't think you can get significant quantities without KYC and even if you could you probably don't want to, because if you can afford large quantities you have a lot to lose and you're rather abide by tax laws. So youre going to want to be able to show proof of when you bought them and at what price

That was always a fun reddit thread to read

Whatever you do now has to be able to withstand the scrutiny of whatever tracking methods that they develop in the future

If I had 10 million from some darknet exit scam >>> you could buy an nft

cases like that. But the kind of general 'money laundering' that govt whines about doesnt' show up on the chain.

I have confidence that monero is pretty damn secure

Cat still pumping out those alpha waves

I think monero is gonna get big once a story or two about bitcoin's lack of privacy comes out

some view the lack of privacy as a good thing. it's "auditable" and you can prove provenance to show that your money never touched bad guys

the current political climate is toxic. Hard to tell what's going to happen next.

It's good to not get big while we're all still buying lol

I mean the anti privacy hysteria is running at full steam

I've seen the audibility argument, but I think it's pretty limited

It would be easy for a government to track everybody cashing out bitcoin

Much harder to track monero

And a government can ban bitcoin mining ASICs

Kinda hard to ban CPUs

That has other consequences

indeed bitcoin mining stick out like a sore thumb

sticks*

it's disheartening when people are making their transfers public like this and saying they have nothing to hide: venmo.com/api/v5/public

I still don't see much point in buying bitcoin now. Even if you're only buying to make money, I think it's far more likely for xmr to go to $500 than bitcoin is gonna go to 120k

“I thought, ‘I’m going to pump it and dump it,’ because I was interested and taking the ideas and implementing them in bitcoin. The bitcoin code base was far more interesting to me than monero, and I thought, ‘I’m not going to work on this codebase, it’s terrible,'” he recalls - fluffypony in an interview about Monero

agreed

I think people also like having more whole coins

Somebody is more likely to like 5 xmr than a fraction of a btc for $1k

it's funny how all the compliance people are viewing DeFi trading and lending activities as totally fine and not requiring any KYC because it's coming from "a pool of automated liquidity"

lol those quotes are so not incriminating though. spam better

I think atomic swaps are gonna be a really good thing for XMR

a few north korean defi coins find their way onto some exchanges and I DeFi is going to be in for a rude awakening

yes atomic swaps are huge

Bisq is cool too, but it's kinda hard to get started with it

I find it likely states like north korea are already using monero or bitcoin to some extent

China funds em and mining is big in china

the probability of getting tainted BTC if you sell on Bisq is high. It probably will be with atomic swaps in the near term too

but bitcoins fungible rupee[m]

No tainted xmr tho lol

1 BTC = 1 BTC always and forever bro

just ask dan hern

and if someone doesn't accept your bitcoin, thats just subjective

(finger tap head meme)

dan held?

yeah

yeah, and if you don't like it monero will be banned!

see, its all pretty straightforward: danheld.substack.com/p/bitcoin-privacy

simply solo mine a block and destroy the computer

brb sending butthole pics to china

1btc = 1btc ^^

"So even the most fungible money, fiat cash, has limitations in terms of its fungibility. " sooo..... we should just ... give up?

i want to open a bitcoin mental gymnastics gym

Monero makes me feel comfy

as someone close to a victim of stalking from a stalker who had never met her, I can tell you that even people that don't think they need privacy can find themselves wishing they had it.

Bitcoin makes me feel like I have some glowies looking at me

that's the problem though, people don't know that they want privacy until it's too late

yup

i would argue that everyone has stuff that they'd like to keep private from someone

Somebody could always show up at your door with a $5 wrench after seeing your btc balance...

Hello, sir. I've noticed you have a whole lot of bitcoin. Your prices are now 50% higher. fuk u

I noticed you are paying your supplier less this month than last month, please pass the savings on to me

I'm sorry sir, I noticed some of the NFTs in your wallet are offensive and we've decided to stop doing business with you

you've been donating to the wrong political party, sir

That's happened with bitcoin already

fluffypony: I'd like to submit a pull request to the "meta" repository for some language corrections. Should I minimize table widths when changing the width of data in the longest field of the column, or should I minimize the number of lines I edit, or what?

fluffypony: apologies if I assume too much about your present involvement with that project

apotheon: I don't think there are any style guidelines for Meta

so just do whichever

showcontroller: seems like you have 2 camps - the camp of "I will only get certifiably clean btc, like off of regulated KYC exchanges" vs the "I will only hold coinjoined non-kyc coins"

There's also the 'fuk btc' camp. I'm squarely in there

fck btc

Yeah, I don't see the point of bitcoin

like, it should be dead right now.

It's inferior in every way to multiple other cryptocurrencies.

When it was being used on the darknet, it had an actual use

Now with $15 fees, it's pointless

Anybody thinking it has value is late to the game and small brained

Like, things like litecoin, monero, even fucking bitcoin cash are just flat out better from my limited understanding.

Bitcoin has the network effect, but that's about it. I'm not even sure what eth is good for

Yeah, but, who spends the amount of time figuring out how to use BTC and not learn there is anything better? it confuses me so much

I say about 30-50% of crypto owners have no idea how any of it actually work

Some people actually buy crypto through paypal or robinhood

lol bruh

I get not spending the time and effort to do something like just flat out mining it or some junk, but, there are probably a multitude of good ways to get crypto lol

Some people refer to coins as shares cause they don't know better

I feel sorry for all the suckers falling for the pump and dumps

yeah

So many shitcoins and NFTs

So many people talking about use cases that often times aren't even implemented yet or never will be

I want to see something as private as monero, with instant transfers and then I feel like it will be truly viable for more than just a specific niche or two.

Yeah, man. we're totally gonna build an app on this platform. who cares about about the gas fees?

Fucking insanity

yeah

I think monero will evolve over time

I can see it possible to reduce the transaction times, but security and privacy also matter

yeah

The devs seem really active and open to adding improvements

The bitcoin devs seem to not want to change much

And the monero sure seem like they know what they're doing. The audits are great

lol, yeah

* And the monero devs sure seem like they know what they're doing. The audits are great

monero is what things like bitcoin should have been from the start.

Yeah, monero is what people think bitcoin is

yeah

Most people think bitcoin is more anonymous than the dollar, but it's actually more traceable

yeah

I wonder how traceable dollars are for broad data collection / survelliance, given they all have an ID on them

I am curious if they use it only for targetted attacks or if there is broad infrastructure for tracing it en mass

either way, doesn't make bitcoin any less hilariously transparent lol

and just like

the fucking gas fees like ??? who sees it as a viable currency at this point?? there are so many other things like litecoin, monero, ect. which have practically no fees for normal use

wrinkle_hut[m]: I make more $ mining monero because of gas fees during cash out

ethereum blockchain is also huge. i would never run a node

I think everyone here knows that most Monero exchange withdrawals and desposits are traceable (Breaking Monero - poisoned outputs). How does it feel to go out and lie to people that they are private and then earn less than holding BTC on your bag?

lol ouch

for doge

My Neighbor Alice is the thing to buy today louipc

Get some while she's hot.

does she take xmr?

Who is responsible here for downloading the blockchain to users' computers?

Do you mean Monero CEO?

No. Developer.

what kind of question is that?

Yeah...very strange question. But hey if it is a problem then don't download it and use remote node!

You work for people, do you want to know the opinion of an ordinary user?

just tell us your opinion instead of cloaking it in strange questions

Leo Tolstoy has a story "Father Sergius", written in 1891. Tolstoy is a great writer because he described the phenomena that happened before him, during his life, and will occur after his death. The essence of the story, in brief, is that the officer wanted to marry the beauty, and before the wedding he found out that she was the mistress of Tsar Nicholas 1. He reconsidered the meaning of his life, and took monastic vows

under the name of Father Sergius. Once a cheerful company came to the monastery, and one courtesan decided to seduce Father Sergius on a bet. To do this, she went into his cell and began to seduce him. In order not to succumb to lust, Sergius went out into the hallway and chopped off his finger. This is the main episode of the story.

So I have a feeling that you were fired from somewhere from your job for complete incompetence, you were offended and chopped off your penis, after which you decided to develop Monero. If you wanted to know the opinion of an ordinary user, then you knew him.

lol

That was a weird porn plot, but ok

10/10

I bet it's already on Pornhub somewhere

Monero is not a company. If you want a company based coin then use Zcash and blame Zooko when something fails.

After re-reading his messages I think he has problem with the initial sync ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i just think he has psycological problems. the sync was just bait

He's been saying strange shit since yesterday.

Could just be lost in translation.

dunno, but it's obvious that he prepared that text snippet so he can dump on us

.pap reef

<jbuckets89> Dude tf

am using xmr-stak-rx to mine on a ryzen 3600x cpu. os is artix linux. using randomx_booster.sh script. are there any other optimizations that i could make to improve the hashrate further?

use XMRig instead

stak-rx is an outdated copy of XMRig that is not in active development anymore

but was trying to avoid the dev fee of xmrig

try compiling it with dev fee disabled

I'm sure there are tutorials for it

is there a video on kovri?

seems to be missing from here youtube.com/channel/UCnjUpT9gGxyQ_lud7uKoTCg/videos

Kovri is a dead project

Replaced by i2p

i2pd

Kovri was i2p, just an independent implementation

?

name change?

i2pd is a C++ implementation of i2p, similar to what Kovri wanted to achieve

i2p is the name of the protocol

Kovri was a fork of i2pd

selsta: I was *just* typing that.

why we ever thought we needed a fork in the first place, I dunno

. . . of i2pd?

yes

Yeah, it's a bit murky.

I'm running i2pd now. it seems to work.

i2pd maintainer left for a year so that's why it got forked

also drama

I think red is a terrible color for a bikeshed.

hides rust stains better

Don't make your shed out of rust-prone materials.

the bikes are the things with the rust...

If your bikeshed is for a nuclear power plant, you have enough budget to make the shed out of titanium.

hyc: Paint the bikes red, then.

Aren't most bikes either aluminum or carbon fiber these days, anyway?

only the good ones

Does HYC stand for "hide your customer"?

*the expensive ones

it might mean hack your customer

Actually, a lightweight double-butted steel frame is still often better than aluminum.

H for hate

. . . unless you have some non-aluminum trickery going on at the joints.

I'd expect junky bikes to be aluminum and higher-price bikes to be carbon fiber.

Then again, all our bicycles here are old.

All you are 'fighting' for is e-penis of a guy you never met, that doesn't even have common decency to pay you for your time.

Do you think they care about Monero, or privacy or anything other than money?

that was odd

Bill48105, its a spammer bot

was referring to the mass ping out then rejoin that caused Wallet to excess flood

if that was even the cause

oh.

Hi

Does anyone know some good private no-strings-attached btc -> xmr exchanges?

Thanks man I'll take a look

I don't see much about them online, but I did see one or two people call em a scam

I've heard good things about cakewallet if you want to swap stuff

Someone in another channel shared this. i.redd.it/m8rnvb15owb51.png

tuisto[m]: I'd recommend checking to see if any of those are in the "DON'T USE" list linked in this channel's topic.

t-address is transparent not shielded

the user sent funds from t address to z address and back to t address and then made a bet no one could figure out where the coins came from, but it was very easy because it was the most recent transaction

here's the thread: twitter.com/The8Connor/status/1284907926155661312

wonder which currency he chose to accept those 100$ in

Probably WOW