maybe

seems to me most people who trade it have no clue what it is

Wait

Everything makes so much more sense

ArticMine: thanks for your correction and work with monero

M4268583364[m]: How?

I just figured out the relay thing

To the discord server

<CCosta[m] "ha - interesting seeing kevin co"> He just sold out why Monero is crucial lol. Wonder what these huge data analysis companies do for anything other than Bitcoin lol

<Syntax Error> hi

It brings me great pleasure to know that chain analysis ceos lie awake scared of monero

what are everybody’s thoughts on mimblewimblecoin

ok im back

alive

i overheard someone comparing it to monero this morning saying it’s superior

question

whats the fastest way to transfer the blockchain from my laptop to a server

or should i just sync for 4 days again

not in the tech, but they said mwc’s security is good enough and they would give up a little bit of security for scalability

How the fuck do these moonboys invest so much into crypto without learning what the hell a utxo is..

<Jeremih> Should I get a ledger nano s or a trezor t or the base model I can't remember the name of

<Jeremih> I know it's not a good investment for my few (<20$) coins, but I'd feel better by having them in a physical wallet

<DisBotXMR "<Jeremih> Should I get a ledger "> I've been having a good time with Ledeger Nano S + Monero GUI

Ledger*

but for $20 of crypto?

oh, I didn't read that - CakeWallet then

buy more crypto with the money spent on a hardware wallet

<Jeremih> Guess I can just use my gui on desktop then It's just figuring out how to spend my (very limited) budget

<DisBotXMR "<Jeremih> I know it's not a good"> Just use a cold storage, view only wallet. No need for a hardware wallet for your use case

Gotta love it. Have to abandon every crypto project that the government can't spy on

Aka 1

<Jeremih> So I could just get a piece of paper with my 24 or whatever words on it and a usb with the stuff on a text file Put them in a bank safe and forget it exists and when I remember I have a wallet in that bank withdraw my funds and get lunch?

Encrypt the text file with the usb before putting it into a bank

<Jeremih> Yeah probably better

If crypto becomes common knowledge, someone could come across your seedphrase

<Jeremih> They'd still have the plaintext on paper

<Jeremih> Then wouldn't it be a bad bank

Yeah, i got around having to store my seedphrase by writing it in an encrypted form using vanity address generators on the bcash chain

Know everyone who runs a bcash node stores it for me lol

that's fucking retarded

if you can store your encryption key, just do that normally

Too shizo for that

you need to have a handle on your threat model, first of all

but the situation in which storing something on the bcash chain beats storing it on your computer is unfathomable

I guess my philosophy is that an immutable ledger is the perfect place to store data

like, if "write the private key on a piece of paper and keep it in a drawer" isn't good enough for you, you have a real situation there

and it's the sort of situation you need the big guns for

multisig and safe deposit boxes and stuff

and if you don't have a situation, well then what's the point?

you're just jacking off

<yanmaani "like, if "write the private key "> Unfortunately i educated those i live with about private keys/seedphrases and i cannot trust them so i needed encryption on it

* Unfortunately i educated those i live with about private keys/seedphrases and i cannot trust them so i needed encryption on it

Cant store on any local media through fear off loss of data or wrench attacks

Wont store online for fear of metadata association glowies

* Unfortunately i educated those i live with about private keys/seedphrases and i cannot trust them so i needed encryption on it

Cant store on any local media through fear off loss of data or wrench attacks

Wont store online for fear of metadata association glowies

get a safe?

store it online somewhere accessed with tor?

storing it on the bcash blockchain is peak retard

At that point engrave it in your foot /s

ouch

So far my funds are not drained, my biggest fear about it is that someone does statistical analysis on all addresses on the chain and determimes the characters in the addresses are outside normal distribution and investigates further lol

Plus it is cheaper than cloud storage lol, one tx fee for permanent storage

why is this room "#monero:matrix.org" and not "#monero:monero.social"? also, what's the difference between this and "#freenode_#monero:matrix.org"?

Matrix is bridged to a Freenode IRC channel. Other than that, I have no idea. I'm in IRC here.

<boogerlad[m] "why is this room "#monero:matrix"> What is "monero.social"?

it seems there's an official matrix server hosted on monero.social

* there's an official matrix server hosted on monero.social

kek nice nick eh

hi, quick nooby question, what's the less expensive and proper way to buy some monero? Swapping alt coins is fine ?

BTCisMyFavNFT: Nice nick!

BTCisMyFavNFT: Do you wear that in BTC channels?

rob99: an exchange like binance or kraken that has the alts that yoy want to use, You would have to go alt>btc>xmr but the fees would probably be lower than swap services that go alt>xmr

I don't use the swap services such as sideshit and changenow so no idea what the fees are

whoops sideshift lol

Thanks for the reply, I'm struggling with one thing: by doing alt>btc>xmr, each transaction + withdrawals to wallet has fees, so it would be more expensive than directly buying on kraken, regardless of the conversion rate? (fiat>xmr or just alt>xmr)

I think that most tx fees are not bad except for btc

there are extra trading fees for alt>btc>xmr but should all still be cheaper

my last btc withdrawal from an exchange was ~$20 and for xmr it was almost nothing

Are trading fees always cheaper when you do crypto>crypto ? Still learning sorry

they should be listed on each exchange so you should be able to figure for your usecase

I'll keep an eye on that, thanks for your help :)

yw :)

again haven't used swap services in a while but their rates are usually worse and there can be fees as well, not always easy to figure

you can start a trade without completing it to see I guess

yeah I checked some swap services and it's definitely not the best

<rob99 "Thanks for the reply, I'm strugg"> send litecoin to cake and then covert on cake to XMR

yeah cake looks good for that

bobbieweirder[m]: rob99 cake uses changenow so exchange rates are fees are ????

so although easy you are paying the extra to use the swap service

<nioc "so although easy you are paying "> yeah unfortunately. there are going to be fees to on ramp one way or another so you just have to look for the easiest and relatively cheaper way. converting BTC gets expensive quickly so i would definitely look at alternative pairs. i also use kucoin since i already have assets there, but i would still have onramped from fiat to USDT somewhere else so you’d still be paying

fees twice that way

on an exchange going from alt>btc>xmr there are no btc fees

it is 2x trading fees which will probably still be cheaper

I am on trade ogre which has low fees and they charge 0.2% trading fee

0.4% has to be way lower than any swap service

yes sorry that’s right. i was thinking about the fiat on-ramp only. i use CB to get USDT and i still gasp everytime i see those fees

they have somewhat limited trading pairs

trade ogre does?

so again find the exchanges that carry the coins you need and see what the total cost is

trade ogre has less coins than binance if that's what you are asking

they do however have wownero :D

again all the info is out there so it's now just a matter of looking for what you specifically need

The KuCoin interface is too complicated for new users, I think.

<usernetinternet[ "IMG_20210415_020418_642.jpg"> Stop trolling the banking system

Howard, you know why all the 'Titanic intelligence Saviour of NASA' posts stopped last year? They know you are an embarrassment. Your arse didn't learn anything new in 25 years, and that includes C++. They just can't say it to your face.

whos they

apotheon, I get banned

it's their fav NFT too but they wont call it that

bitcoins still somewhat fungible

check the (not ironic) comments

lol..

long way to go still

interesting

should have waited for monero atomic swaps?

louipc somewhat is kind of an exageration

I mean, everyone has the right to have their favorite NFTs anyway

Who cares if someone buys overpriced digital "modern" art

The seller.

Sad

lol moneromooo

jonah_xd[m]: good question. I don't also understand the point of NFTs at all :)

Maybe the same reason why an original painting is worth much more than a good copy which noone but a team of experts can tell apart.

hmmp: i see it as digital pokemon cards but custom made

pretty good on btc and fungibility and a touch on monero twitter.com/DontTraceMeBruh/status/1382643158966800385?s=19

the traditional art market is basically just rich people's way to transfer money to each other. I make some insider traiding based on your tip and then I buy a painting from you for suitable price. your painting is stored in Geneva warehouse with million other paintings and it never leaves the place, just ownership changes. I guess you could use NFT for this same but in that case it's a mistake to think that

NFTs have any value. nobody's buying your original doge art unless they own you

money laundering?

Or: brilliant strategy by NS to bring the word 'fungible' out there?

Can you guys suggest a chatroom where there are crypto daytraders?

I had 4 bottles of wine yesterday and ripple XRP is going to give me a heart attack I swear.

#monero-markets

4 is a bit much.

even my alcoholic friend usually just does 3 on the weekends

that's the good thing about not being an alcoholic, 1 glass on an empty stomach gets you fucked up

money saving tips from azy

frugality and health at the same time

azy I agree

its waaaay too much

coincidentally I found this article yesterday when I was utterly smashed.

absurd. Jean Calment became 122 but only drank 2 glasses a day

lol charolastra_ ya I've been binging since the start of february i've spent every last penny I own on booze.

i quit my job and am back at university. :( LOL

maby you should have spent it on coins instead

hey y'degenerate. stop

at least youre not sniffing i suppose

ah hes a winemaker, that'll keep you young. in the sun looking at your grapes, good exercise squishing them with your feet

whaat, i thought the squishing was done by virgin girls!!!

I can't seem to join #monero-markets

i suppose I should have bought coins. I was actually making my own in start Feb. but I've gotten so rattled from the booze that I haven't touched terminal CLI since the start of Feb. bit of a breakdown actually aha. so foolish and now if I dont have a drink i start to shake like a leaf. I'm such a whinebag atm :(

did you know that you can die from alcohol withdrawal? not even heroin does that

sniffer: making your own wine? :D i did that recently too (and some cider). it was surprisingly edible

no i only grow my own shrooms :) now winemaking i can give you a tip on how to age wine

put it in a container with 1 part wine: 9 parts air. closed. Leave it in there for 3-12 months. I think even though, 1wine:5 air volume will help, but the wine partially oxidizes and it speeds up the aging process, I've had 1 year bottles taste like 40 year old wines...

it was a freak discovery during lockdown when alcohol was banned here :)

hi, charolastra_ thank you I know. I feel this electric tingling and i start shaking and I've had severe chest cramps (they didn't last very long). The other day I only had like +- 2 bottles and i had this major cramp thanks for warning / reminding me. Yes I realise that, I want to quit but now I literally am stuck and want to stop but can't I can barely tie together an essay which I'm supposed to do now.

if i drink a little i dont spaz out but my functionality is destroyed. Sorry I'm ranting I've had a glass of wine " a glass" more like "a few swigs of swill"

Reminds me of John Steinbeck's novel, "Cup of Gold". SPOILER ALERT.

how can I join monero-markets, it says "cannot join nick/channel" must I register my nick?

did you forget the leading #?

/join #monero-markets

I'm in there but it says "can't post"

I saw you join the chan

tell me about this wine and cider asymptotically... i have an apple tree

register with freenode maybe

yes I must register my nick / nickserv but I forgot how

nick sniffer

nick <sniffer>

aa srry good people. you work so hard to see an idiot stagger through your hallowed vaults.

you should grow shrooms instead but shroomery's been down for almost 2 weeks now.

was a bit shocked to see

.faucet

Mo​chi101: Triangle is how many ​sides?

3

Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000004 XMR to Mochi101 [f0805130] Wait ≈23 hrs 57 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01599547

a triangle actually has 6 sides

because you have to count the inside and te outside

that is 2x3

HAHAHHA

srry

what're you sniffing?

don't forget thatr all important convex polytope

the inverted external shape of any object...

what if the 'lines' are made of round pipes though?

would you have infinite sides?

by definition a side is finite.

i had this idea a while ago. imagine if you had a sphere with say 100 meters radius

then another one with 10 km radiusd

you take a 45 degree arc of those two sorry, CIRCLES.

sniffer, it's only a matter of granularity

granularity?

like the larger sphere's outer edge would look less round.

if it has an infinite radius the circumference should be a 90 degree tangent.

that arc's curve would flatten out.

a pity about maths

How long is the shoreline of Great Britain?

longer than my penis?

hey, you started this

:D

granularity...

that is such a strange word

like what if all facets are so perfect tey're not facets? like, is a true sphere a collection of infinite bezier corner nodes or SMTH? infinitely densely packed with no space inside the triangles?

i mean where does reality stop calculating the resolution of reality?

what is god's gpu?

"god"

i mean so innumerable that they become "perfect see drunk" - see omg

OMG

sniffer, youtube.com/watch?v=H3W2wMS15SY

i gotta quit

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sech1: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

so if you get metaphysics do you get metamathematics?

well well well.

.faucet

sniffer: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

:(

.tip hmmp 1

hmmp: Ooops! Not enough in your balance..

.balance

hmmp: • Your balance is: 0.00036 XMR (≈0.12 USD)

.tip all hmmp

Mochi101: User 'all' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account

.tip hmmp 0.0001

hmmp tipped 0.0001 XMR (≈$0.03) to hmmp [87a9514f]

.balance

hmmp: • Your balance is: 0.00036 XMR (≈0.12 USD)

.tip hmmp all

Mochi101 tipped 0.0000111 XMR to hmmp [3306cb22]

cool thanks

No problem, just remember that I did that for you if you ever see me sleeping under a bridge with a drug needle in my arm.

lol

.faucet

​azy: Of 9 ? 0, which​ is 9

9

azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.000015 XMR to azy [6ac6f77b] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01598047

forgot to do that yesterday

.balance

azy: • Your balance is: 0.0001789 XMR (≈0.06 USD)

.faucet

h​mmp: Of 6 <-> 3, which​ is 3

hmmp: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)

:|

is it possible to trace the Ip address of a BTC wallet or a transaction?

my brother who works at the London Stock Exchange (who had NOOO clue about cryptos0 got robbed of 2 mighty BTC.

I fllowed the transactions and hey ho, what did I find, a wallet with 90 BTC, 128 BTC, and another one with 1600 BTC connected to the transactions

the wallet with 1600 BTC has had 133 000 BTC through it... i was like eeeh. o kay.

some scammer has $96 million...

i am so sorry your brother got robbed. was it a phishing scam?

Im not sure what the term phishing entails but yes he was foolish enough to hand over his trades to some person from Linkedin.

if only he'd spoken to me...

cost him 16 000 GBP (british pounds). lol to think I bought BTC for $400. (already ludicrous in the eyes of many back then...)

celsius fell victim to a phishing campaign yesterday too. scammers these days are really sophisticated

these guys are cloning another exchange

*have cloned and are using it.

but ignorant enough to blatantly lie in a live "support chat"...

which is what i find very "off"

not sure if you guys know "bit exchange systems? bitexchange.systems

also what's odd is I mean the interface the fonts, CSS, looks so much like the cloned site. is it an ex employee, or a really dilligent con-artist...

it's not robbing if there's no violence involved. sounds like your brother is just a fool

i don't think he is a fool but i think he was foolish and foolable (fallible?) :)

true, true. no he wasn't robbed.

but Zizek talks about "abstract violence" for example gandhi was a passivist but he commited great "violence" against the british empire.

<sniffer "Im not sure what the term phishi"> LinkedIn? bruh

lol

crypto has gotten so huge the learning curve is going to be really steep for many people

"violence" against the british empire.?? wtf

I vaguely know what phishing means but I cannot pretend a specific knowledge of the scope of the definition.

that is sad, bobby.

people literally get phished everyday. everyone just needs to be a lot more vigilant

They did peaceful protests in India (Mahatma Ghandi) and in sodoing gained independence through peaceful protest = abstract violence

phishing: you throw out a lure (mass email) and hope someone bites

insomuch as the British empire lost an entire sub-continent.

aah. No it wasn't phishing in that case.

I've never been tempted to hand over financials to anyone on linkedin though

he was looking for someone to help him trade in cryptos.

that place is sheisty as fuck

fuck it you know if he'd only contacted me lol

We rarely speak so it was like OH.

<sniffer "he was looking for someone to he"> on linkedin though?

why there of all places?

I have no idea.

sniffer a phishing scam is when someone uses social engineering. meaning they’ll send you an email/message/text or even call you pretending to be a legitimate service and ask you to log in or enter your seed phrase

i'm sorry for his loss, that is truly fucked up

I am under the impression as he works at the LSE that he thought he required a "crypto-trader" to trade FOR him .. or smth.

sad

he is not a trader himself...

a manager of a certain department i shan't name :)

compliance?

crypto department?

sounds like something a person in legal would do...

they aren't the sharpest

lol

paint by numbers guys usually

there’s a lot of money to be made so scammers are really sophisticated. a lot of times they would have gotten people’s personal information from a hack and will email only customers of a service. if you are not paying attention to the links or email addresses it’s very very easy to fall victim to it

scammers have been cashing out during this pandemic

on all fronts

<Jeremih> Yup

i’m constantly paranoid these days. just don’t be the low hanging fruit. never give away your seed phrase from a prompt from someone’s communications

LOOK AT THE LINK/EMAIL ADDRESS

to make sure it looks exactly the same as the official one

<Jeremih> Is there any actual reason one would need to use their seed other than to use a wallet?

it's really not hard hand email has been around for decades. you'd think that people would know by now

for example, the Celsius scam yesterday came from a link that’s [abc]wallet.com when the real link is [abc].com

yes please send me your bank pin - heck just send me your money, and invest it for you and get back to you - OK just give me a second ~

jeremih: it's the same fools that fall for "hi, i'm your bank and we need you to enter your password in this link"

<Jeremih> Well they don't 1) make an email 2) we're contacting you about your car's extended warranty 3) send monero pls Is that the process?

but he is in that sector so they have that old-school mentality I think...

averse to computer sciency stuff

<Jeremih> Why would "he" be using monero when "he" doesn't know how to use it

<charolastra_ "jeremih: it's the same fools tha"> but sometimes it’s like an email from your bank saying something like “Chase Bank: You have a secured email. Please log in here to view.” and people will click on the link and log in.

<Jeremih> I was asking about monero seed stealing works

<Jeremih> But yeah

it works the same general way. Instead of asking for password to be entered in a fake site it asks for your seed

<bobbieweirder[m] "for example, the Celsius scam ye"> what is 'celsius'?

it’s a staking service. people put some crypto in there to earn yield

ah

a crypto bank

ironically the kind of service that bitcoin was create to make redundant

banks...

* ironically the kind of service that bitcoin was created to make redundant

<Jeremih> Centralizing cryptos that were made to be decentralized

<mmxxx[m] "ironically the kind of service t"> debt is older than money itself. it’ll always exist

not debt but banks and centralized repositories of money

'be your own bank'

was what I can recall hearing about 10 years ago

i read this book called Debt: The First 5000 Years by David Graeber who’s an anthropologist. really interesting if you want to check it out. it gives another perspective on the concept of money

I'm familiar with David Graeber

<DisBotXMR "<Jeremih> I was asking about mon"> people have downloaded fake wallets from apple store, so naturally they were trying to access their wallets. lo and behold the wallet app just ran with their money. this is one way. i’m sure they get a lot more creative than this

does anyone here know SIA?

what’s that sniff

i mean you have bittorrent (pirate bay etc.) right so why TF would you pay for decentralized storage on SIA? its absurd. someone justify it to me

decentralized blockchain storage...

you have to pay "gas" too

bittorrent isn't storage, just transfer

yes but those files are scattered on countless hosts' computers, also.

if you upload something to tpb and nobody else wants it, it's still just on your computer :)

decentralized.

are they like a ... centrepoint for connecting torrenters?

so strange. imagine a piratebay coin

^ win

RAT coin

mmm I see there is no rat coin yet how sad andn neglectful. To think I cloned a coin and named it TRUMP coin 2 years before some scammer made a TRUMP shitcoin and made a few milluion bucks before disappearing off the radar for good.

good for them

gullible!

oh whoops my message history hadn't quite caught up

this makes no sense now

There are multiple psychological hooks to keep Monero community members in place. Here is one:

Notice that Scientologists don't stand on street corners saying "Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Xenu?"

Put yourself instead in the shoes of someone who spent $10,000 and 2-3 years of their life on their courses

And you get a bunch of bad sci-fi - you have two choices:

aaaah c'mon don't leave us hanging like the other one

what are the choices man! can't wait for the reveal

damn, I'll never know what these choices are

are you guys excited for monero’s birthday? seven years!

NO! i would have been excited but these damn choices are on my mind now!

the only thing i feel excitement for is the big reveal

got this thing bothering me

help appreciated

way to verify/check that outgoing transactions is made will wallet-rpc to some address? possible?

address seems to be stealth and can't compare them

or can outgoing transctions be labeled for later check that it was sent?

Can anyone send me a tip? $1 is enough

pm me to get the address

.tip Olivia 0.00001

hmmp: User 'Olivia' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account

and while you're at it, send me a humble tip of 23 XMR

.help

ern: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

ern: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs: bill48105.github.io/wallet | My core commands: .balance .deposit .faucet .ping .soak .tip .val .withdraw | .help <games|share|misc|other> to see others | .help <cmd> for more details.

.balance

ern: • Your balance is: 0 XMR

Hmm, tippero is gonners?

i had lots of moneros there :(

ern: i think you're a few years too late

hehe

PM fluffypony, manual withdrawals are possible.

oh

oh man noscript does not like getmonero.org currently

i think its just for that video

hey ern check out topic :)

in #tippero i meant

but yeah fluffy is doing manual withdrawals upon request

I run Wallet which supports monero & is default coin here

Bill48105: I think my balance is missing one XMR. could you transfer it back. thanks!!

kek yeah i'll jump right on that

=))

ok check now

.balance

hmmp: • Your balance is: 0.0003711 XMR (≈0.13 USD)

only one?

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ch​arolastra: Snow White​ had how many dwarfs

7

charolastra: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000077 XMR to charolastra [40dccb8e] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01599277

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​ern: How many #'s​ are in 0

0

ern: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)

KEK (it's 1 number btw lol)

no

it identifies as 0

:P

indeed zero is a number :)

<Bill48105 "KEK (it's 1 number btw lol)"> *ducks*

<Bill48105 "KEK (it's 1 number btw lol)"> *DuckDuckGo somehow becomes useless*

useless? nothing is as useless as »Useless Ethereum Token« (UET®) coinmarketcap.com/currencies/useless-ethereum-token

<Quotes "useless? nothing is as useless a"> 😅

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<Quotes "useless? nothing is as useless a"> (R)???

Huh. I just discovered ETH has no capped supply.

Well. I guess if I want to trade (as in buy-me-dump-me-win-dosh), ETH is the way to go.

Now where the fuck do I find a proper desktop wallet? All I can get is WallETH.

Then again, atomic swaps are not coming for Bitcoin, so just stick with Bitcoin until somebody pulls off ETH Atomic Swaps.

* Then again, atomic swaps are coming for Bitcoin only, so just stick with Bitcoin until somebody pulls off ETH Atomic Swaps.

Wrong channel ?

:D

I mentioned atomic swaps, did I not?

I still will stick with Monero as a primary currency.

so how good is wasabi at avoiding btc tracking

like actually according to you peeps

<lord_fomo[m] "so how good is wasabi at avoidin"> It probably is a simple BTC mixer. You could just trace who sent the TX first by checking the blockchain with an explorer.

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I​nge-: Of 8 and 5, w​hich is 8

8

Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.000007 XMR to Inge- [8941e1ee] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01598577

I'm so good.

<Wallet "Inge-: Of 8 and 5, which is 8"> Big brain time.

it uses coinjoin

is that just a simple mixer?

I think wasabi is excellent at getting your funds tagged as dodgy in many places

lol sure

but i'm just curious theory wise

The future is having XMR, BTC(kyc), and BTC(mixed)

coinjoin seems to be a shitty version of xmr's built-in protocol

also, you actually MIX, interactively, with other funds

Remember the blockchain has every single transaction in the history of the cryptocurrency.

making the mixer possibly a money transmitter business, and your funds possibly tainted. yay.

it's a lot easier to make the case that actively mixing your coins is money laundering, than it is to make the case that sending a monero transaction is money laundering.

I wonder when mining companies in the US will consistently reject transactions to or from OFAC-listed addresses

and once that precedent is set ...

<Inge- "I wonder when mining companies i"> When they own enough blockchain.

> <@freenode_Inge-:matrix.org> I wonder when mining companies in the US will consistently reject transactions to or from OFAC-listed addresses

* When they own enough blockchain.

If they ever own more than 51%, it is going to be a crazy ride.

* When they own enough blockchain.

If they ever own more than 51%, it is going to be a crazy ride. There will be another desperate attempt at a hard fork.

* When they own enough blockchain.

If they ever own more than 51%, it is going to be a crazy ride. There will be another desperate attempt at a hard fork. Not even Ethereum was affected the way Bitcoin was.

they only need ~10% before the whole network is incentivized to censor

They don't preach about Xenu on street corners

because you see they beg indoors.

And require large donations to take you to magic-land.

I could definitey see the U.S. forcing miners in the U.S. to censor OFAC sanctioned transactions

Maybe I should stop editing my messages ─ apparently I have been flagged for spam.

Also Xenu is the epitome of conceit. the very etymological nature of the monniker's construct is vile. But it does reflect no what humans have become

atheistic self-ordained "gods".

<rupee[m] "they only need ~10% before the w"> Then Bitcoin is officially not your own bank anymore.

the apotheosis of humanity. Revered not but have enough piower to enforce their superiority - not liked nor praised like a classical god.

But rather a neo-classical dinosaur

<sniffer "the apotheosis of humanity. Reve"> I beg your pardon? When did we bring religion into crypto?

I'm not specifically referring to crypto.

Just technocraticality.

THe attitudes of technocrats

crypto is your "religion". You religiously protect your atheism.

Atheism is your god

I am 15 years old and what is this?

you people have noo idea about ideology sad.

mm?

listen to Zizek maybe, jj

Your disbelief and atheism, atheism itself is your god. Then, what is "god"? Think about it? its a relative concept to your mentality it has no independent reality beyond your projection of something absolute superiority or worth, in this case atheism, a god in itself.

*something of

Aaand we just got another nutjob...

<sniffer "you people have noo idea about i"> i'm with this

So you could say that atheism is your god.

religion is basically just philosophy

what is religion?

anyone that tries to say it's "this or that" is probably just too religious 😂

Like the previous "violenceless action is violence".

about defining religion

maybe you shoudl read the vedas beyond BINARY logic.

Moneromoo, have you not heard of Slavoj Zizek?

which are usually annoying atheists

He has written ...

aka closed minded types

you take my statements at face value, my apology, I shall zip it.

<rupee[m] "I could definitey see the U.S. f"> i think it's inevitable because they don't have a real compelling reason not to. politically speaking it's an easy sell. and when i talk to btc maxi people they don't even really care about this-- if the stakeholders can't even be expected to object i think regulations like these are foregone conclusions

No.

Is it about religion or somehting else ?

<sniffer "listen to Zizek maybe, jj"> instantly dropped

what do you think isd the difgference between religiosity and religion?

i don't even like using the word

it implies too much bs

i prefer open / close minded

are you open to ideas you haven't yet formed in your small head or not

so either 1 or zero

i know

we all have small heads

there's a fine line to straddle in almost everything

what do you think of Descarts, " I think therefore I am"?

paradoxes should be embraced

(Descartes), sorry.

Its only a paradox due to linguistic insufficiency and binary logic.

Keep an open mind - just not so open that your brain falls out

i mean

if you have one that can actually fall out, good point Inge.

descartes is fine

He mentioned " I think therefore I am"

are you close minded if you insist on open mindedness?

sniffer: you take my statements at face value, my apology, I shall zip it.

so you are telling me that for instance a cabbage does not exist, because it does not think?

there's a paradox

i'd say yes

so the cabbage does not exist?

you gotta be ok with some people (or at least the idea of) close mindedness

but what if you eat too much cabbage and die of cabbage overdose?

Can the price of monero fall, if there are no traders around to watch it?

would the coroner not suggest that cabbage indeed exists

to be approaching true open mindedness

"The cabbage killed you, therefore the cabbage exists." - Defartes

trying to lump shit into "religious" or not is a waste of fucking time

but what is shit?

and a very old way of thinking we should discard

everyone is religious

they all have beliefs

you are religious too

"they"?

for sure

you devoutly believe in your own disbelief

of course i am

its a consummation ... ah shakespeare.

biggest problem with humanity is not "religion" or "beliefs"

it's pride

and being too fucking serious

like just stfu and chill

laugh at yourself

it's fun as hell

so when we die what happens?

what if you didnt beg jesus to forgive you?

who cares

what if you couldnt forgive yourself. for snorting that last line of coke?

pascal's wager if you want

doesn't really matter what you believed

if there's something after so be it

Einstein mentioned that he thought god wasn't a gambler.

if not oh well

pascal's wager is the proper way to deal with the risk of an afterlife imo

you mean wait and see?

no

read it

yes but you should go to church and make sure that you've paid your respects so that your ticket is paid to the golden land.

says who?

not the text

The pope?

exactly

not in the original text

We have another saved soul JEsus

Hallelujah

which noone even talks about

H allah -eh ... looo ya! woooo

indeed

anyway, logic over legalism any day for me

legalism? so unjust logic over pathological justice of the kangaroo court - I agree sadly

heh

some proofs are not provable.

its been proven.

yup

except then someone proves it

wasn't that fernats

or wtv

that was solved this decade iirc

I will ask the Demiurge later tonight or tomorrow.

demiurge

noun

a being responsible for the creation of the universe.

(in Platonic philosophy) the Maker or Creator of the world.

(in Gnosticism and other theological systems) a heavenly being, subordinate to the Supreme Being, that is considered to be the controller of the material world and antagonistic to all that is purely spiritual.

"Demiurge ^^

the "purely spiritual world" what is it? hormone-oriented subjective reality?

the 0 in 1/0? perhaps

gah stupid md

I used to be intelligent . you don't have to believe me.

the whole angle is that people should live their lives in a way that they can't really experience fear

since the author claims it's a pointless emotion

sniffer: have you seen the series "Death note"

m a nice little dogmatic shopping list of conceited self-arrogated pomposities that beyond the context of its target, mis-shoots many others.

fear serves little purpose

it may be too soon - or too late

right

is threema legit

better than signal?

you can be afraid if something is about to kill you, so .... it won't help. you're right though its useless. it may even serve as a deficit. it might be useful to your enemy if it weakens your nerve.

abcdefg_irssi: people I trust in here have recommended it.

Everything im reading is giving me a good impression

wanted second opinion from monero spooks though

is threema some decentralized type of app?

Not decentralized

do you want real privacy?

servers based in switzerland but its e2e

messaging app

no phone number required

> it may even serve as a deficit. it might be useful to your enemy if it weakens your nerve.

exactly

public key and private key stored on phone

get a phone and find a random person who will sell you their smartphone chip ./ SIM. and a random phone. and don't use it at your hous and BAM you're anonymous.

you can pay cash for sim cards at i think verizon and register it under any name

like a phone from a second hand shop if you really need your opsec w.e.

with no ID?

so it's only a net -ve

abcdefg_irssi: what's wrong with matrix 😂

sorry i live in Fluffy's country

you get that plus no central servers + per devices keys

of course

In my country you can not activate sim cards without being identified

the gov here is more choppy than China.

id lel

that's it Inge get one frmo some random scumbag on the main street of wherever

for their next hit of heroine they'll sell you their SIM. :)

and no one can eeeeever find you

south africa?

sadly yes

Does matrix have a phone messaging app?

no but the third movie is coming out in december

<Inge- "In my country you can not activa"> can’t you buy an already activated one from someone and disconnect the service and just load it up with prepaid phone credits?

or where

abcdefg_irssi: yes it has all sorts of clients

mobile being one for sure

and it's not tied to your SIM whatsoever

keys can be moved freely on and off mobile hw

bobbieweirder[m]: I don't think I've had enough motivation to try :)

it does sound like a lot of work doesn’t it? i haven’t really seriously thought about being completely anonymous. taking baby steps. i actually only recently set up private emails

lord_fomo so Element would be your recommendation?

for mobile i'm not sure there's anything else

i use a couple native clients on puters

bobbie that's not necessary usually low class trash who sell crack on the street don't care about another SIM they sold for an extra $50...

element is fine though

but if you hate electron there are better alts

opsec right? haha...

all my sims are from other countries then the one i'm from

i will say that

or just go sim free

sim free?

yah

which is harder

yes but you need to be able to sacn that BTC machine to get your cash out :D

sat phones wen

scan

lol

" l " l - oh.

lord_fomo you are a lucky man.

Unlike fluffy pony I am not an ordained god.

self or otherwise.

was pure nomad before all this bs

travel's been banned even pony cannot get out but I'm sure he can afford a few jets now. (private ones).

nice

S Africa is now on he black list basically. Totally hate that. very unfair.

I might buy polonium in vengeance

next thing will be haxin these vax passes

haha no no lord

haha

made my day.

t.y.

like, what are they gonna say if ur like "i already had the virus"

then they're like "well did you get tested?"

then ur like, yah but in EM country "A"

say mexico

"there was no test capacity at the time"

"well do you have record?"

"i lost it in all the chaos"

sniffer: yeah it's a mess - also the vaccine roll-out is stupid

this was true for anyone who got mildly sick, early last year

"well you can install our app and you'll have some tracing thinger"

i have to be honest im .. like ok I've been binging since early february like 2 bottles of wine a day or a few liters of w.e. (something happened in the fam and I cracked and I don't like alc). but um.

"i don't have a phone"

what was i gonna say

my parents aren't even on the list yet

"i lost in it all the chaos" - omg

Retsam SoahC :)

get a bag of shitty phones froma pawn shop

and buy sims from some corner dealer

just dont go home and avopid the finger printy ones

:D

wat i really want is them trying to install their app on my linux phone

that'll be the joy

" i don't know how to install this app"

Guys does anyone know what happened to that smartphone blockchain? like trhey designed heir own phone and everything?

glazed 👀 ensue

wtf happened?

glazed ensuement <4

their own *phone* ?

Lord Fluff I would suggest medicinal mushroos. mind you if you go to pubmed you'll notice hericeum erinaceus can cause an overflow of T cells and you can literally drown in white antibodies (they clog your lungs).

its obviously an immunomodulatory thing.

I've heard cancer patients being IV'ed with 300 grams of vitamin C... and also lentinant from lentinula edodes. vaccine "roll out"

no no its the vaccine "DOLE out"

while china intimidates humanity with photos of their darkest scerets after getting a brain scanner and pretending they don't have it.

*secrets

I mean scvanning your thoughts and showing you a photo of it and like, ok I will implement a lockdown type situation...

it seems to be moving along alright where i am (generally speaking)? i just got my first shot this week. i hope they don’t have a thought tracking device in me now😝

why would they need thought-trackers?

that is the epitome of atheism though when the bible rants about "free will" and the qaballah mentions "god moving out of space to ... make space for creation".

inner-space invaders.

shillo: by "sim free" you mean mobile phone free, or can you use a mobile phone without a sim ?

wasn’t that the crazy conspiracy theory? that they are microchipping people?

a mobile phone without a sim is problematic if you want to do anything, but its possible. its like walking without feet on stumps...

walking is walking right?

lol

Florida is pretty nice...

I miss that place. Siesta Key steaming heated pools at night <3 fib'o ;)

back in Africa for me. haha. omg

moneromooo: mobile free/phone as a small wifi tablet

lord_fomo: btc coinjoin hasnt had a lot of innovation due to fees

Bcash has cash shuffle and coinfusion which are decent improvements over coinjoin

The last BC miners will probbably be our brain. Join the borg, in order get "paid". cryptopotato.com/microsoft-files-patent-human-powered-crypto-mining

<ieatglueinthegul "image.png"> hahaha there you go gulag i’m doomed

rip

> <@usernetinternet:matrix.org> lord_fomo: btc coinjoin hasnt had a lot of innovation due to fees

> Bcash has cash shuffle and coinfusion which are decent improvements over coinjoin

thanks good to know

so end of day, don't rely on it for privacy period yah?

or is it better then nothing

xenu

.val xmr

abcdefg_irssi: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈340.55 • ccc/OKEX: ≈$341.9 24HΔ: 9.18% Vol: 297.58K [0m] • cmc: ≈$339.2 24HΔ: 5.2% 7DΔ: 26.66783% [< 21m]

nice

Hello. Newcomer here. Looking for best way to exchange BTC->XMR (non KYC). Just read about a new "haveno" project which allows p2p XMR<->crypto exchanges. Looks to be in very early beta stage, but is this legit?

Have also read about how atomic swaps are "almost here". If haveno is secure/working, why are atomic swaps important?

Sites like sideshift can help. xmr.is is one of them, but scammed, don't use that one. Haveno seems legit AFAICT, but not ready to use yet.

zwischenzug: To me, haveno looks "probably legit", but probably not yet usable with any safety.

Atomic swaps are trustless trades, haveno will be trusted.

I'm not the expert, though.

moneromooo: What's up with xmr.is being "scammed"?

Do you have some simple details to share?

they exit scammed

deleted everything

oh

shit

From haveno docs: "Haveno uses peer-to-peer networking and multi-signature escrow to facilitate trading without a trusted third party custodian. Disputes can be resolved using non-custodial arbitration"

<zwischenzug "Hello. Newcomer here. Looking "> proof of concept still. it just had its very first public meeting yesterday

I guess it's half trusted. There's no central party you give the funds to, it's multisig so you have to trust the arbitrator (third key holder) is honest.

It's better than a run of the mill centralized exchange for sure.

Ahh, and the arbiter never really has access to take full custody of the coins

Correct. The arbiter would need another signature, either trade party.

So both buyer/seller trust the 3rd party arbiter to facilitate the trade fairly, but don't need to trust the arbiter with custody of their coins

Right. In most cases, the arbitrator will not do anything, and not be needed.

Hello

Anyone care to talk about Monero?

whats the fastest way to sync the monero blockchain on a server

<pml4[m] "Anyone care to talk about Monero"> Wassup

biicoonneeeeeee

If I have it already downloaded on my laptop

ftp?

Is anoyne familiar with Stock-to-Flow?

* Is anyone familiar with Stock-to-Flow?

maybe

abcdefg_irssi: scp, rsync

link it

<pml4[m] "Is anoyne familiar with Stock-to"> Current supply/new flow production

if you overlay a fractal of previous cycle .. you get an interesting result relative to s2f model

it swings low and high in a trough and peak

how far will it overshoot stock to flow this cycle?

I have this question on my mind every day now lol

pretty cool

i think i've seen that site

digitalik.net/btc ?

yeah its the same model

what site is urs from?

moneroj.ent

* moneroj.net

metcalfe's law also implies that monero is seriously undervalued relative to it's network use

pml4[m]: by how much?

> <@freenode_raecarruth:matrix.org> pml4: by how much?

* Thousands of dollars...

<raecarruth "pml4: by how much?"> Thousands of dollars.,

By a lot

Take it easy moonboy

It's about a third of what we'd expect it to be rn

I believe monero could be over ten thousand dollars by the end of 2022.

oh my

And I am betting on it, putting my money where my mouth is.

I still think a conservative estimate is a thousand or more.

How much money?

5k.

im not trying to destroy my life but I am leveraged on it

I see

pml4: whats ur entry and liquidation?

324 , but I have no liquidation. I am planning to scale into the trade over time. Like dollar cost averaging, to avoid liquidation entirely through dips.

right now my position size is roughly the same as my capital

I learned about monero when I was 14, I am not going to spend too much time in regret but rather somewhat make up for it with what I know right now.

Anyone have data on the countries and corps chainanalysis companies are working with

Probably within a few years we will see the death of someone by a repressive regime with data provided by a chainanlysis firm if they arent kept in check

will sudo apt install monero work to get monero on debian

* Anyone have data on the countries and corps chainanalysis companies are working with?

Probably within a few years we will see the death of someone by a repressive regime with data provided by a chainanlysis firm if they arent kept in check

Hmm. This looks interesting. incognito.org/dex

i think with the crypto market so active we are definitely going to see some upward price movement soon. i just worry people will stop trying to spend it if there’s too much deflationary pressure (from everyone being bullish)

Hopefully it loads properly. It was weird when I tried.

If it redirects, try just incognito.org and clicking the pDex link.

I dont think that will necessarily stop others from spending it, they will just swap from a different coin into xmr and spend it immediately

<abcdefg_irssi "I dont think that will necessari"> i hope so!

hello

hey!

Has anyone else here seen this incognito exchange yet? It seems to support Monero.

does inverse perpetual futures even exist for monero? anywhere?

<pml4[m] "moneroj.ent"> where on this site?

charts -> stock-to-flow

and transactions -> metcalfe's

nice

they're using plotly

pml4: this is sick thanks for sending

pml4: you in the trading room?

trading room?

#monero-markets:monero.social

oh I see

A (supposedly?) trustless, on-chain, distributed exchange with privacy protection through zero-knowledge proofs seems pretty awesome.

I think it's custodial, you have to exchange your XMR for some sort of redeemable token

I'm still reading about how it works.

hyc are u here

not working

where is the blockchain held on debian systems?

gonna try to transfer it from my laptop

~/.bitmonero/lmdb

oh i see

I can download it to the server then use monero-blockchain-import to import it

is that how it should be done

instead of downloading it to the folder and running monerod?

i would assume so or just put it in the default directory. I didnt have to move mine, so not exactly sure.

the server im using is a sshd the last time i did this it took 4 days to sync

so i'm trying to transfer

which file is the blockchain

data or lock

or do i need both

Ok data is the blockchain i can tell by the filesize lol

Do I need lock as well?

If you're coping to another machine, you don't need the lock file.

Thanks

copying now

2.3 mb/s way better than the 4 days it would take to sync

.balance

goldenangle: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

goldenangle: • Your balance is: 0 XMR

<Jeremih> Can anyone using supportxmr and minexmr just change pool?

<Jeremih> For the sake of the coin